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00:00:38,798\n三、審查內政部主管部分\n\n4\n00:01:02,861 --> 00:01:07,925\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n5\n00:01:30,885 --> 00:01:39,424\n三億三千零四四萬三億三千零四四萬六千元因為預算書是上面是寫三億兩千八百三十四萬五千元是吼\n\n6\n00:01:45,013 --> 00:02:04,144\n針對這個部分我想那是我等一下要請教這個部長的我現在想要了解的是說我們這個全社會防衛任性訓練計畫除了剛剛提到的民防的訓練場地之外那請問這個訓練完成之後我想其實很多委員很關心的就是說未來會不會支援軍事行動不會\n\n7\n00:02:05,185 --> 00:02:07,086\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n8\n00:02:35,305 --> 00:02:37,667\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。六、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n9\n00:03:03,762 --> 00:03:28,634\n維持社會民生核心功能的持續運作還有必要時支援軍事行動這三大目標請問這個部分的話請問賴總統提的我們要怎麼達成報告委員您所說的這三大目標也就是我們民防法裡面所規範的這個條文內容所以第一個維持政府的正常運作就是像我剛剛所說的第一個治安的維護還有防救災的維護\n\n10\n00:03:29,775 --> 00:03:31,416\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分\n\n11\n00:03:49,264 --> 00:03:50,825\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n12\n00:04:05,399 --> 00:04:07,820\n四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n13\n00:04:29,366 --> 00:04:30,427\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n14\n00:04:46,966 --> 00:04:50,909\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n15\n00:05:10,643 --> 00:05:28,676\n因為其實當然這個部分的話就是我們希望的是說不要這個如果真的現在是有議政司那如果是要提供給民間的話希望也不要說只有給特定的單位希望如果未來有這樣的狀況的話我們希望說不要變成有給特定單位希望還是有議政司這邊來處理\n\n16\n00:05:30,077 --> 00:05:31,218\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n17\n00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,221\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分\n\n18\n00:06:12,198 --> 00:06:35,277\n今天資料就會提供給委員因為禮拜一來前我們會把這個成本的這個這個效益的分析做個分析今天資料就會提供給委員那另外就是說在這個部分我其實上次署長來我有跟署長提到也要請部長了解一下就是說這一次的這個建制費用是第一年是42億嘛明年還有可能要支付更高的這個經費給\n\n19\n00:06:36,718 --> 00:07:05,701\n三大電信公司作為一個網路流量記錄保存平台也就是說可能兩年加起來可能就幾乎要上百億那本席是認為就是這些業者是拿著政府所賦予的專屬的權利在賺錢而且以去年來說他們三家公司的盈利就高達5000億元所以是不是請問一下部長他們不應該協助政府來負起他們該有的社會責任嗎?為什麼我們建置這樣的流量的平台\n\n20\n00:07:06,361 --> 00:07:23,774\n還要付將近100億的費用。報告委員,它其實不是一個平台,它是一個機具。是流量保存的一個紀錄品。這些全部都是由我們的官方單位,包括警政,或者是包括法務,或是包括海巡在內。\n\n21\n00:07:24,394 --> 00:07:26,055\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n22\n00:07:47,045 --> 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--> 00:09.978\n謝謝主席我們是不是請那個劉世芳劉部長請部長\n\n00:16.067 --> 00:37.757\n許委員長好部長好我想剛剛很多委員都在關心就是我們有一個在議政業務下面的全社會防衛任性訓練工作的一個計畫今年因為編列了4億1064萬6千元那請問部長這個全社會防衛任性訓練工作主要是要做些什麼\n\n00:38.337 --> 00:38.798\n三、審查內政部主管部分\n\n01:02.861 --> 01:07.925\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n01:30.885 --> 01:39.424\n三億三千零四四萬三億三千零四四萬六千元因為預算書是上面是寫三億兩千八百三十四萬五千元是吼\n\n01:45.013 --> 02:04.144\n針對這個部分我想那是我等一下要請教這個部長的我現在想要了解的是說我們這個全社會防衛任性訓練計畫除了剛剛提到的民防的訓練場地之外那請問這個訓練完成之後我想其實很多委員很關心的就是說未來會不會支援軍事行動不會\n\n02:05.185 --> 02:07.086\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n02:35.305 --> 02:37.667\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。五、審查內政部主管部分。六、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n03:03.762 --> 03:28.634\n維持社會民生核心功能的持續運作還有必要時支援軍事行動這三大目標請問這個部分的話請問賴總統提的我們要怎麼達成報告委員您所說的這三大目標也就是我們民防法裡面所規範的這個條文內容所以第一個維持政府的正常運作就是像我剛剛所說的第一個治安的維護還有防救災的維護\n\n03:29.775 --> 03:31.416\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分\n\n03:49.264 --> 03:50.825\n三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n04:05.399 --> 04:07.820\n四、審查內政部主管部分。三、審查內政部主管部分。四、審查內政部主管部分。\n\n04:29.366 --> 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