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00:03:18,944\n發展部組織法草案．一．一\n\n11\n00:03:40,235 --> 00:03:51,185\n行政院向海致敬政策發展部組織法草案。這是很好啦。你又自由潛水,你這個深度挑戰更算是一種極限運動的一種。你很難分啦。比例有這個就好了啦。你現在已經是奧運的項目了啦。\n\n12\n00:03:58,951 --> 00:04:01,713\n發展部組織法草案案行政院審查．立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會第1屆第2會期司法及法制、教育及文化委員會\n\n13\n00:04:16,701 --> 00:04:39,930\n我們在已經發展一個程度以上像帆船這樣子還有划船他們這樣一個水域的運動我們把它放在海洋山林這部分但是在比較花需要花更多的力氣去整合整個部會還有跟傳統協會之間的問題的時候我們先把它放在新興因為他們也是最近因為奧運或亞運剛進去所以才引起大家的注意但其實他們跟原來的傳統協會很多的問題存在署長免受騙啦講的都很好講啦\n\n14\n00:04:44,309 --> 00:04:44,429\n運動部組織法草案案案\n\n15\n00:04:53,160 --> 00:05:12,013\n報委員這在我們公共體育很常見不過還是要看首長以及主秘代做這個協調啦那當然啦那當然啦你現在你跟過去10年國內興起的運動多少啊你說滑板、飛盤、障礙的路跑甚至於攀岩、空中瑜伽、電競剛才幾個人問小人在跳繩的也都是啊全部也都是啊所以你注意把它看就是說如果說像比如剛剛大家問到的那個電競電競\n\n16\n00:05:21,442 --> 00:05:21,942\n運動發展部組織法草案案案案。\n\n17\n00:05:47,076 --> 00:05:54,125\n那這一些就補充這個你能回答嗎?老師去扒孩子國教署灌。阿以後教練來去扒球員,來扒這裡的運動員,阿這邊送上灌。\n\n18\n00:05:58,908 --> 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