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00:01:31,496\n所以我們請這樣的調查報告我們就請調查局去調查我們請調查局去做調查第二個部分對來第二個部分你兩點嘛第一個是說你還沒有辦法計算其中獎率所以也沒打算算了反正中獎率我算不出來那第二個部分是善待司法調查確認設計的邏輯是不是超越本活動目的的必要範圍\n\n5\n00:01:32,884 --> 00:01:43,013\n所以也交給司法去處理我們身為主管機關發包了這樣的一個案子我們也沒有任何的我們是甲方啊但我們沒有任何的這個控管的機制\n\n6\n00:01:44,821 --> 00:02:08,296\n呃...要檢討我認為這個案子確實要深切的檢討以後再辦相關的活動都不能有這樣的一個情形不管事前、事中、事後都要加強那我請教我們現在的這樣的一個合約這一個活動我們對於乙方有什麼樣的一個要求措施當然要依照合約來執行我想這個台北國稅局會也會在進行這方面的處理嗯\n\n7\n00:02:09,181 --> 00:02:36,384\n是啊不是啊部長現在已經過去了兩個禮拜了我們本來以為欸其實這個議題說實在部長會不會覺得有點無視了塵埃啊照理講我們下個這個預算會期大家在講的是財政部以往也沒有那麼擄主過啊然後結果突然間你在院會也被問院長也被問財政委員會我們也在關心我不是無地放矢啊我也不是吃飽太閒啊真的是因為你們自己拿石頭砸自己的腳\n\n8\n00:02:37,225 --> 00:02:53,750\n而這個檢討報告出來之後又讓國人更加沒有辦法接受就是你已經給你們兩個禮拜了院長在院會信誓旦旦講是說一定會告訴國人結果你們檢討報告出來還是你們不知道中獎機率不知道公不公平不知道反正司法會調查出來\n\n9\n00:02:55,150 --> 00:03:11,416\n我們就行政調查的部分我想在我們報告裡面已經有呈現的已經有呈現的很清楚包含人的部分以及發票取得方式當然我們知道這件事情不應該要發生的也就是說財政部過往所做的許多的活動也好或者是稅務的申報也好讓國人信任是長時間累積下來的但是一件這樣的一個活動讓財政部受損我覺得這是一個非常不應該的一個事情確實是\n\n10\n00:03:21,360 --> 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