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00:02:25,296\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功\n\n8\n00:02:37,521 --> 00:03:02,531\n最基本的電費過去幾年電費漲了多少很多的校長都反映啊人事費用因為配合調薪所以要針對我們的教職員補薪調薪7乘5電費高漲經常性的支出越來越不夠用如果說連學校給系所的補助行政經費都已經在減縮的話那我們又怎麼樣能夠期待我們所有的校長能夠不用煩惱這一些\n\n9\n00:03:04,392 --> 00:03:26,748\n而好好的專心來拚人才的培育所以我們現在講的是說有沒有另外的計畫除了你現在的1300億有沒有能不能提出另外的計畫部長有沒有這個決心跟魄力能夠跟行政院爭取也許不是今年但明年能不能出來跟委員報告我會努力的因為我是感同身受的但是跟委員報告\n\n10\n00:03:29,190 --> 00:03:46,718\n教育部這些年來在整體的一個預算教育部的一個補助是從70、大概75億左右增加到將近80億也就是說它是逐年增加如果以這一個來講因為陳校長剛好在媒體裡面特別提到\n\n11\n00:03:47,858 --> 00:03:58,726\n舉例東北大學東北大學每年都有100億日幣補助我想如果以教育部的75到80億大概簡單乘以3倍我相信我們至少也有250億到將近300億這樣的補助給台大我想台大是一個非常優秀是台灣的一個標竿\n\n12\n00:04:10,894 --> 00:04:34,839\n大學我們會全力來支持他但是怎麼樣讓科研的能量再國際化的一些這些努力我相信我們都可以一起來共同努力那麼教育部部長你剛講了有講的沒講我真的很懷疑說如果你今天還是大學校長的議員的時候你能不能認同現在鄭部長講的話來部長我請教雖然排名\n\n13\n00:04:36,021 --> 00:04:54,370\n他不是絕對可是他還是有參考指標2024年世界五百大大學排名臺灣有多少個大學進入選在QS裡邊我們是臺大臺大有進百大那五百大不會不知道吧\n\n14\n00:04:55,475 --> 00:05:05,023\n五百大我們基本上大概有七所大學我覺得這是很基本的問題我本來以為你會秒答\n\n15\n00:05:06,820 --> 00:05:29,717\n那如果說五百大裡面我還是再次強調排名不是一切因為我們有很多不同的大學有不同的特色他是沒有辦法量化的但實際上他也是一個全球的指標全球一千九百多所大學裡面五百大前五百大大學臺灣七所嘛我們的排名也是逐漸一直說實在話客觀的事實確實一直在後退啊\n\n16\n00:05:30,578 --> 00:05:57,786\n那我現在在講的是說所以所有的大學校長大家都希望能夠做事結果柴米油鹽醬煮茶要讓大家花心神花精力的去跟人家募款去找校友贊助去成立校友會選校友會會長我想很多校長心有戚戚焉吧為什麼阿就是因為沒告知阿拜託校友大家來到校庭阿那但是我們現在講了那麼多結果部長你講的我覺得\n\n17\n00:05:59,126 --> 00:06:23,992\n說實在不是一個具體的回答我們會跟委員報告我們會努力來爭取經費但是我也真的因為我本身曾經在高等教育非常長的時間所以會不會明年提出前瞻計畫還是不要用前瞻計畫用另外高教什麼計畫還是怎麼樣你能夠承諾現在1300億你能夠爭取到多少多增加一倍不然我提官走人行不行\n\n18\n00:06:28,015 --> 00:06:45,584\n公務員報告這一個職務對我來講不重要我是真的來自於一種對臺灣這個土地的情感在人才培育我們看到部長我們都對臺灣很愛所以我才會站在這裡來啦好啦你如果說沒有辦法拿烏紗帽來賭注的話那我再請教一個比較簡單具體的電費調漲\n\n19\n00:06:50,379 --> 00:07:13,441\n現在大家都講說明年不知道會不會漲啊?啊我沒講說民進黨錯誤的能源政策你放著火力發電燃煤全開燃氣全開然後結果成本一直增高那受苦受傷受害的就是全民啊那尤其是大學啊那我只是請教明年假設電費要漲教育部能不能現在承諾所有大學明年漲多少我補多少\n\n20\n00:07:14,715 --> 00:07:38,709\n確實我們現在跟委員報告我們114年我們就編了59億用來補貼你現在明年編的錢其實如果說明年只要再漲你現在明年編的錢是因為因應今年已經漲了那我現在講說如果說假設明年再漲的話不管漲多少你能不能就承諾不會讓校長們為難我就是明年會漲\n\n21\n00:07:40,230 --> 00:07:40,490\n議員主席議員主席\n\n22\n00:08:04,584 --> 00:08:25,241\n這個我們除了編列59億的補差額以外,如果再有漲,那麼臺電會自行吸收,這是我們在114年時臺電沒有自行吸收,臺電他就是轉嫁到時候,部長我還有很多問題,今天那麼多校長來,大家就要看到一個有肩膀有魄力的部長,大家就要看到一個瞭解校長身身的部長\n\n23\n00:08:27,743 --> 00:08:45,235\n您是從大學校長出身所以我相信你應該最了解大學校長心聲我其實是不是容委員給我多一點時間我想我們補貼我們一定支持大學一定支持大學所以承諾明年動長明年只要調漲的部分店價我們會來補助我們會來協助\n\n24\n00:08:47,836 --> 00:09:09,761\n協助還是補助?我們會補助感謝委員對大學的支持部長我還有其他問題那我請台大、成大跟陽明大學附設醫院的院長一起上來一下好不好那時間是不是可以稍微暫停一下請這三位的校長出列一下院長三位院長醫學院的三位院長來時間還是稍微暫停一下吧還是等一下\n\n25\n00:09:17,488 --> 00:09:19,670\n走路的時間暫停一下走路的時間暫停一下\n\n26\n00:09:41,131 --> 00:09:54,003\n現在網路上傳出撥撥醫師的爭議其中所有Google一查還說什麼可以查到900多位撥撥醫師的名單當然昨天衛福部長馬上就去做\n\n27\n00:09:54,929 --> 00:09:58,513\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案\n\n28\n00:10:14,051 --> 00:10:39,814\n但是他們畢竟也經過我們的國考而且如果說真的能夠進入到我們的醫療體系的話相信也有這樣的一個醫療專業那另外一種真的會對於是說波波醫師名單流傳好像造成汙名化然後讓大家去漏收甚至本席也看到這個名單因為你只要一查波波醫師名單就出來了也有幾位醫師有任職是在我們這個醫院裡面來院長是不是可以說明一下\n\n29\n00:10:40,495 --> 00:11:08,413\n好那我來簡單說明一下那臺大醫院就那900多個名單查是沒有任何一個是在你沒有查查過有查過我們全部都查過雖然網路上說有兩位我們也特別就那兩位請他認為是在婦產部跟PCY我們都查過也沒有那為什麼臺大醫院沒有因為其實我們過去在院長室會議的時候就已經有做過決議就是我們假如是波蘭奇的\n\n30\n00:11:09,694 --> 00:11:21,540\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n\n31\n00:11:37,068 --> 00:11:48,772\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n\n32\n00:11:53,573 --> 00:12:20,391\n其實波蘭好像因為進入歐盟所以就不需要就被認為是先進國家所以就不需要經過一個學歷認證我們其實還有一個學歷認證那我自己在裡面也參與過學歷那個非常的嚴謹大概通過力不到就是各位數字的percentage但是假如直接就是我們認為譬如說像美國、歐盟或是像紐澳這些先進國家或日本\n\n33\n00:12:21,071 --> 00:12:42,784\n這些我們可以直接認證他的醫學系的學歷就只要參加我們的國考那國考通過也是有醫師執照所以臺灣的醫療水準一直被我們感到驕傲因為真的是名列前茅那但是現在有這樣的一個學歷採證的爭議尤其這個禮拜說也有本土的醫師要上街抗議\n\n34\n00:12:44,345 --> 00:13:01,134\n院長我想請教就這樣第一線來講會不會認為是不要造成民眾的一個恐慌或者是對立有什麼樣衛福部是不是應該也應該跳出來講講話還是衛福部現在做的你認為是說可以化解國人對於我們醫療的水準的一個疑慮嗎\n\n35\n00:13:02,760 --> 00:13:25,511\n我想國考這是一個最基本的需求但是我剛才已經講過醫師的養成不是只有考試他很多是必須要在臨床實際的經驗那這一部分確實是有待加強就是臨床經驗的累積必須要實際到醫院去照顧病人甚至累積這些經驗那我們認為波蘭籍的他們的\n\n36\n00:13:32,154 --> 00:13:45,845\n教育我們是給予肯定但是但是他們確實真的少了這一塊就是臨床經驗因為語言文化大家也可以想他一定是見習怎麼可能有辦法實習\n\n37\n00:13:48,067 --> 00:14:07,679\n院長那我最後只有一...稍微站起來醫師的爭議是一個部分那另外一個部分我也再提一下因為畢竟過去到現在也有幾個委員都有關心我們教育部旗下醫院的加班申請其實會讓基層同仁會覺得說不合理包括說之前最多只能用最小單位是半小時\n\n38\n00:14:08,564 --> 00:14:33,630\n那我知道說你們現在在114年開始已經有要求是說要改每分鐘計算對不對可是我只提一個因為你現在的預算書明年針對人事的部分其實是沒有編足的所以換言之如果說真的用爐石能夠發放的話你現在預算看起來是不夠之硬喔那這樣子會不會讓外界覺得是說你這是\n\n39\n00:14:36,207 --> 00:14:59,827\n發放加班費是玩假的因為醫護人員剛剛我們在提到醫療是我們的專業名列前茅但是很大一個部分也是醫護人員大家都一起努力所以說才能達到這個成果所以我只講確認一下明年不會因為說有預算不足而要求員工報加班費的時候暗示說經費不足要他們重新思考提報\n\n40\n00:15:01,024 --> 00:15:29,055\n不會有出現這樣的狀況吧?我們假如真的有編不足基本上我們是贊成用分鐘來算所以我們也在整個包括我們的電腦系統跟這個資訊系統都已經改了當然這些改要一點時間不過我們預定實施是明年1月開始那我們不足的部分我們會並決算辦理假如他們有申報的那因為是臺大醫院院長代表發言兩位醫院院長是不是也一樣的承諾?\n\n41\n00:15:30,374 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00:15:30,734\n紅木楷委員請回\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t169\t有請鄭部長\n21498\t44283\t在部長上來的同時部長好也跟我們所有全國令人尊敬的大學校長再一次致意我想高等教育需要我們大家一起努力推動那部長過去也是我們中山大學的校長所以一定更感受剛剛本席特別聆聽了部長的這個口頭報告裡面洋洋沙沙講了很多但是部長\n45043\t71720\t那麼多的大學校長坐在這邊前天我們看到我們臺大校長也帶頭呼籲說應該要推動高教前瞻計畫因為過去這幾年我們偉大的政府告訴我們是說我們的經濟表現如何的亮眼所以可以舉債可以做建設那一樣對於高等教育的部分本席也期待我們所有校長聚集在一堂都很想要拼都很想要打拼一班市委\n73326\t99020\t現在高等教育的前瞻計畫的部分教育部有聽到這樣的訴求嗎?有的,這兩天媒體確實有報導這個部長,會不會因為你是校長的身份跟你是部長的身份你的答案會不一樣?如果今天您也是坐在這邊的校長其中一員的話你支不支持高教前瞻計畫?高等教育\n100629\t125773\t人才的培育確實是我們國家發展非常重要的一個一環臺灣的一個人我們沒有天然資源我們靠的就是人才培育所以在這個經會的許可我們當然是全力來支持高等教育的一個發展不管在科研的一個能量的提升包括在人才培育上我想我們都會全力來支持\n126254\t135630\t全力支持但我看你們的回答不是這樣你們的回答是說今年已經編了1200億了所以意思就是說已經很多了\n136533\t145296\t二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功\n157521\t182531\t最基本的電費過去幾年電費漲了多少很多的校長都反映啊人事費用因為配合調薪所以要針對我們的教職員補薪調薪7乘5電費高漲經常性的支出越來越不夠用如果說連學校給系所的補助行政經費都已經在減縮的話那我們又怎麼樣能夠期待我們所有的校長能夠不用煩惱這一些\n184392\t206748\t而好好的專心來拚人才的培育所以我們現在講的是說有沒有另外的計畫除了你現在的1300億有沒有能不能提出另外的計畫部長有沒有這個決心跟魄力能夠跟行政院爭取也許不是今年但明年能不能出來跟委員報告我會努力的因為我是感同身受的但是跟委員報告\n209190\t226718\t教育部這些年來在整體的一個預算教育部的一個補助是從70、大概75億左右增加到將近80億也就是說它是逐年增加如果以這一個來講因為陳校長剛好在媒體裡面特別提到\n227858\t238726\t舉例東北大學東北大學每年都有100億日幣補助我想如果以教育部的75到80億大概簡單乘以3倍我相信我們至少也有250億到將近300億這樣的補助給台大我想台大是一個非常優秀是台灣的一個標竿\n250894\t274839\t大學我們會全力來支持他但是怎麼樣讓科研的能量再國際化的一些這些努力我相信我們都可以一起來共同努力那麼教育部部長你剛講了有講的沒講我真的很懷疑說如果你今天還是大學校長的議員的時候你能不能認同現在鄭部長講的話來部長我請教雖然排名\n276021\t294370\t他不是絕對可是他還是有參考指標2024年世界五百大大學排名臺灣有多少個大學進入選在QS裡邊我們是臺大臺大有進百大那五百大不會不知道吧\n295475\t305023\t五百大我們基本上大概有七所大學我覺得這是很基本的問題我本來以為你會秒答\n306820\t329717\t那如果說五百大裡面我還是再次強調排名不是一切因為我們有很多不同的大學有不同的特色他是沒有辦法量化的但實際上他也是一個全球的指標全球一千九百多所大學裡面五百大前五百大大學臺灣七所嘛我們的排名也是逐漸一直說實在話客觀的事實確實一直在後退啊\n330578\t357786\t那我現在在講的是說所以所有的大學校長大家都希望能夠做事結果柴米油鹽醬煮茶要讓大家花心神花精力的去跟人家募款去找校友贊助去成立校友會選校友會會長我想很多校長心有戚戚焉吧為什麼阿就是因為沒告知阿拜託校友大家來到校庭阿那但是我們現在講了那麼多結果部長你講的我覺得\n359126\t383992\t說實在不是一個具體的回答我們會跟委員報告我們會努力來爭取經費但是我也真的因為我本身曾經在高等教育非常長的時間所以會不會明年提出前瞻計畫還是不要用前瞻計畫用另外高教什麼計畫還是怎麼樣你能夠承諾現在1300億你能夠爭取到多少多增加一倍不然我提官走人行不行\n388015\t405584\t公務員報告這一個職務對我來講不重要我是真的來自於一種對臺灣這個土地的情感在人才培育我們看到部長我們都對臺灣很愛所以我才會站在這裡來啦好啦你如果說沒有辦法拿烏紗帽來賭注的話那我再請教一個比較簡單具體的電費調漲\n410379\t433441\t現在大家都講說明年不知道會不會漲啊?啊我沒講說民進黨錯誤的能源政策你放著火力發電燃煤全開燃氣全開然後結果成本一直增高那受苦受傷受害的就是全民啊那尤其是大學啊那我只是請教明年假設電費要漲教育部能不能現在承諾所有大學明年漲多少我補多少\n434715\t458709\t確實我們現在跟委員報告我們114年我們就編了59億用來補貼你現在明年編的錢其實如果說明年只要再漲你現在明年編的錢是因為因應今年已經漲了那我現在講說如果說假設明年再漲的話不管漲多少你能不能就承諾不會讓校長們為難我就是明年會漲\n460230\t460490\t議員主席議員主席\n484584\t505241\t這個我們除了編列59億的補差額以外,如果再有漲,那麼臺電會自行吸收,這是我們在114年時臺電沒有自行吸收,臺電他就是轉嫁到時候,部長我還有很多問題,今天那麼多校長來,大家就要看到一個有肩膀有魄力的部長,大家就要看到一個瞭解校長身身的部長\n507743\t525235\t您是從大學校長出身所以我相信你應該最了解大學校長心聲我其實是不是容委員給我多一點時間我想我們補貼我們一定支持大學一定支持大學所以承諾明年動長明年只要調漲的部分店價我們會來補助我們會來協助\n527836\t549761\t協助還是補助?我們會補助感謝委員對大學的支持部長我還有其他問題那我請台大、成大跟陽明大學附設醫院的院長一起上來一下好不好那時間是不是可以稍微暫停一下請這三位的校長出列一下院長三位院長醫學院的三位院長來時間還是稍微暫停一下吧還是等一下\n557488\t559670\t走路的時間暫停一下走路的時間暫停一下\n581131\t594003\t現在網路上傳出撥撥醫師的爭議其中所有Google一查還說什麼可以查到900多位撥撥醫師的名單當然昨天衛福部長馬上就去做\n594929\t598513\t二、審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案\n614051\t639814\t但是他們畢竟也經過我們的國考而且如果說真的能夠進入到我們的醫療體系的話相信也有這樣的一個醫療專業那另外一種真的會對於是說波波醫師名單流傳好像造成汙名化然後讓大家去漏收甚至本席也看到這個名單因為你只要一查波波醫師名單就出來了也有幾位醫師有任職是在我們這個醫院裡面來院長是不是可以說明一下\n640495\t668413\t好 那我來簡單說明一下那臺大醫院就那900多個名單查是沒有任何一個是在你沒有查 查過有查過 我們全部都查過雖然網路上說有兩位我們也特別就那兩位請他認為是在婦產部跟PCY我們都查過也沒有那為什麼臺大醫院沒有因為其實我們過去在院長室會議的時候就已經有做過決議就是我們假如是波蘭奇的\n669694\t681540\t二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n697068\t708772\t二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n713573\t740391\t其實波蘭好像因為進入歐盟所以就不需要就被認為是先進國家所以就不需要經過一個學歷認證我們其實還有一個學歷認證那我自己在裡面也參與過學歷那個非常的嚴謹大概通過力不到就是各位數字的percentage但是假如直接就是我們認為譬如說像美國、歐盟或是像紐澳這些先進國家或日本\n741071\t762784\t這些我們可以直接認證他的醫學系的學歷就只要參加我們的國考那國考通過也是有醫師執照所以臺灣的醫療水準一直被我們感到驕傲因為真的是名列前茅那但是現在有這樣的一個學歷採證的爭議尤其這個禮拜說也有本土的醫師要上街抗議\n764345\t781134\t院長我想請教就這樣第一線來講會不會認為是不要造成民眾的一個恐慌或者是對立有什麼樣衛福部是不是應該也應該跳出來講講話還是衛福部現在做的你認為是說可以化解國人對於我們醫療的水準的一個疑慮嗎\n782760\t805511\t我想國考這是一個最基本的需求但是我剛才已經講過醫師的養成不是只有考試他很多是必須要在臨床實際的經驗那這一部分確實是有待加強就是臨床經驗的累積必須要實際到醫院去照顧病人甚至累積這些經驗那我們認為波蘭籍的他們的\n812154\t825845\t教育我們是給予肯定但是但是他們確實真的少了這一塊就是臨床經驗因為語言文化大家也可以想他一定是見習怎麼可能有辦法實習\n828067\t847679\t院長那我最後只有一...稍微站起來醫師的爭議是一個部分那另外一個部分我也再提一下因為畢竟過去到現在也有幾個委員都有關心我們教育部旗下醫院的加班申請其實會讓基層同仁會覺得說不合理包括說之前最多只能用最小單位是半小時\n848564\t873630\t那我知道說你們現在在114年開始已經有要求是說要改每分鐘計算對不對可是我只提一個因為你現在的預算書明年針對人事的部分其實是沒有編足的所以換言之如果說真的用爐石能夠發放的話你現在預算看起來是不夠之硬喔那這樣子會不會讓外界覺得是說你這是\n876207\t899827\t發放加班費是玩假的因為醫護人員剛剛我們在提到醫療是我們的專業名列前茅但是很大一個部分也是醫護人員大家都一起努力所以說才能達到這個成果所以我只講確認一下明年不會因為說有預算不足而要求員工報加班費的時候暗示說經費不足要他們重新思考提報\n901024\t929055\t不會有出現這樣的狀況吧?我們假如真的有編不足基本上我們是贊成用分鐘來算所以我們也在整個包括我們的電腦系統跟這個資訊系統都已經改了當然這些改要一點時間不過我們預定實施是明年1月開始那我們不足的部分我們會並決算辦理假如他們有申報的那因為是臺大醫院院長代表發言兩位醫院院長是不是也一樣的承諾?\n930374\t930734\t紅木楷委員請回\n","txt":"有請鄭部長\n在部長上來的同時部長好也跟我們所有全國令人尊敬的大學校長再一次致意我想高等教育需要我們大家一起努力推動那部長過去也是我們中山大學的校長所以一定更感受剛剛本席特別聆聽了部長的這個口頭報告裡面洋洋沙沙講了很多但是部長\n那麼多的大學校長坐在這邊前天我們看到我們臺大校長也帶頭呼籲說應該要推動高教前瞻計畫因為過去這幾年我們偉大的政府告訴我們是說我們的經濟表現如何的亮眼所以可以舉債可以做建設那一樣對於高等教育的部分本席也期待我們所有校長聚集在一堂都很想要拼都很想要打拼一班市委\n現在高等教育的前瞻計畫的部分教育部有聽到這樣的訴求嗎?有的,這兩天媒體確實有報導這個部長,會不會因為你是校長的身份跟你是部長的身份你的答案會不一樣?如果今天您也是坐在這邊的校長其中一員的話你支不支持高教前瞻計畫?高等教育\n人才的培育確實是我們國家發展非常重要的一個一環臺灣的一個人我們沒有天然資源我們靠的就是人才培育所以在這個經會的許可我們當然是全力來支持高等教育的一個發展不管在科研的一個能量的提升包括在人才培育上我想我們都會全力來支持\n全力支持但我看你們的回答不是這樣你們的回答是說今年已經編了1200億了所以意思就是說已經很多了\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功\n最基本的電費過去幾年電費漲了多少很多的校長都反映啊人事費用因為配合調薪所以要針對我們的教職員補薪調薪7乘5電費高漲經常性的支出越來越不夠用如果說連學校給系所的補助行政經費都已經在減縮的話那我們又怎麼樣能夠期待我們所有的校長能夠不用煩惱這一些\n而好好的專心來拚人才的培育所以我們現在講的是說有沒有另外的計畫除了你現在的1300億有沒有能不能提出另外的計畫部長有沒有這個決心跟魄力能夠跟行政院爭取也許不是今年但明年能不能出來跟委員報告我會努力的因為我是感同身受的但是跟委員報告\n教育部這些年來在整體的一個預算教育部的一個補助是從70、大概75億左右增加到將近80億也就是說它是逐年增加如果以這一個來講因為陳校長剛好在媒體裡面特別提到\n舉例東北大學東北大學每年都有100億日幣補助我想如果以教育部的75到80億大概簡單乘以3倍我相信我們至少也有250億到將近300億這樣的補助給台大我想台大是一個非常優秀是台灣的一個標竿\n大學我們會全力來支持他但是怎麼樣讓科研的能量再國際化的一些這些努力我相信我們都可以一起來共同努力那麼教育部部長你剛講了有講的沒講我真的很懷疑說如果你今天還是大學校長的議員的時候你能不能認同現在鄭部長講的話來部長我請教雖然排名\n他不是絕對可是他還是有參考指標2024年世界五百大大學排名臺灣有多少個大學進入選在QS裡邊我們是臺大臺大有進百大那五百大不會不知道吧\n五百大我們基本上大概有七所大學我覺得這是很基本的問題我本來以為你會秒答\n那如果說五百大裡面我還是再次強調排名不是一切因為我們有很多不同的大學有不同的特色他是沒有辦法量化的但實際上他也是一個全球的指標全球一千九百多所大學裡面五百大前五百大大學臺灣七所嘛我們的排名也是逐漸一直說實在話客觀的事實確實一直在後退啊\n那我現在在講的是說所以所有的大學校長大家都希望能夠做事結果柴米油鹽醬煮茶要讓大家花心神花精力的去跟人家募款去找校友贊助去成立校友會選校友會會長我想很多校長心有戚戚焉吧為什麼阿就是因為沒告知阿拜託校友大家來到校庭阿那但是我們現在講了那麼多結果部長你講的我覺得\n說實在不是一個具體的回答我們會跟委員報告我們會努力來爭取經費但是我也真的因為我本身曾經在高等教育非常長的時間所以會不會明年提出前瞻計畫還是不要用前瞻計畫用另外高教什麼計畫還是怎麼樣你能夠承諾現在1300億你能夠爭取到多少多增加一倍不然我提官走人行不行\n公務員報告這一個職務對我來講不重要我是真的來自於一種對臺灣這個土地的情感在人才培育我們看到部長我們都對臺灣很愛所以我才會站在這裡來啦好啦你如果說沒有辦法拿烏紗帽來賭注的話那我再請教一個比較簡單具體的電費調漲\n現在大家都講說明年不知道會不會漲啊?啊我沒講說民進黨錯誤的能源政策你放著火力發電燃煤全開燃氣全開然後結果成本一直增高那受苦受傷受害的就是全民啊那尤其是大學啊那我只是請教明年假設電費要漲教育部能不能現在承諾所有大學明年漲多少我補多少\n確實我們現在跟委員報告我們114年我們就編了59億用來補貼你現在明年編的錢其實如果說明年只要再漲你現在明年編的錢是因為因應今年已經漲了那我現在講說如果說假設明年再漲的話不管漲多少你能不能就承諾不會讓校長們為難我就是明年會漲\n議員主席議員主席\n這個我們除了編列59億的補差額以外,如果再有漲,那麼臺電會自行吸收,這是我們在114年時臺電沒有自行吸收,臺電他就是轉嫁到時候,部長我還有很多問題,今天那麼多校長來,大家就要看到一個有肩膀有魄力的部長,大家就要看到一個瞭解校長身身的部長\n您是從大學校長出身所以我相信你應該最了解大學校長心聲我其實是不是容委員給我多一點時間我想我們補貼我們一定支持大學一定支持大學所以承諾明年動長明年只要調漲的部分店價我們會來補助我們會來協助\n協助還是補助?我們會補助感謝委員對大學的支持部長我還有其他問題那我請台大、成大跟陽明大學附設醫院的院長一起上來一下好不好那時間是不是可以稍微暫停一下請這三位的校長出列一下院長三位院長醫學院的三位院長來時間還是稍微暫停一下吧還是等一下\n走路的時間暫停一下走路的時間暫停一下\n現在網路上傳出撥撥醫師的爭議其中所有Google一查還說什麼可以查到900多位撥撥醫師的名單當然昨天衛福部長馬上就去做\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案\n但是他們畢竟也經過我們的國考而且如果說真的能夠進入到我們的醫療體系的話相信也有這樣的一個醫療專業那另外一種真的會對於是說波波醫師名單流傳好像造成汙名化然後讓大家去漏收甚至本席也看到這個名單因為你只要一查波波醫師名單就出來了也有幾位醫師有任職是在我們這個醫院裡面來院長是不是可以說明一下\n好 那我來簡單說明一下那臺大醫院就那900多個名單查是沒有任何一個是在你沒有查 查過有查過 我們全部都查過雖然網路上說有兩位我們也特別就那兩位請他認為是在婦產部跟PCY我們都查過也沒有那為什麼臺大醫院沒有因為其實我們過去在院長室會議的時候就已經有做過決議就是我們假如是波蘭奇的\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n其實波蘭好像因為進入歐盟所以就不需要就被認為是先進國家所以就不需要經過一個學歷認證我們其實還有一個學歷認證那我自己在裡面也參與過學歷那個非常的嚴謹大概通過力不到就是各位數字的percentage但是假如直接就是我們認為譬如說像美國、歐盟或是像紐澳這些先進國家或日本\n這些我們可以直接認證他的醫學系的學歷就只要參加我們的國考那國考通過也是有醫師執照所以臺灣的醫療水準一直被我們感到驕傲因為真的是名列前茅那但是現在有這樣的一個學歷採證的爭議尤其這個禮拜說也有本土的醫師要上街抗議\n院長我想請教就這樣第一線來講會不會認為是不要造成民眾的一個恐慌或者是對立有什麼樣衛福部是不是應該也應該跳出來講講話還是衛福部現在做的你認為是說可以化解國人對於我們醫療的水準的一個疑慮嗎\n我想國考這是一個最基本的需求但是我剛才已經講過醫師的養成不是只有考試他很多是必須要在臨床實際的經驗那這一部分確實是有待加強就是臨床經驗的累積必須要實際到醫院去照顧病人甚至累積這些經驗那我們認為波蘭籍的他們的\n教育我們是給予肯定但是但是他們確實真的少了這一塊就是臨床經驗因為語言文化大家也可以想他一定是見習怎麼可能有辦法實習\n院長那我最後只有一...稍微站起來醫師的爭議是一個部分那另外一個部分我也再提一下因為畢竟過去到現在也有幾個委員都有關心我們教育部旗下醫院的加班申請其實會讓基層同仁會覺得說不合理包括說之前最多只能用最小單位是半小時\n那我知道說你們現在在114年開始已經有要求是說要改每分鐘計算對不對可是我只提一個因為你現在的預算書明年針對人事的部分其實是沒有編足的所以換言之如果說真的用爐石能夠發放的話你現在預算看起來是不夠之硬喔那這樣子會不會讓外界覺得是說你這是\n發放加班費是玩假的因為醫護人員剛剛我們在提到醫療是我們的專業名列前茅但是很大一個部分也是醫護人員大家都一起努力所以說才能達到這個成果所以我只講確認一下明年不會因為說有預算不足而要求員工報加班費的時候暗示說經費不足要他們重新思考提報\n不會有出現這樣的狀況吧?我們假如真的有編不足基本上我們是贊成用分鐘來算所以我們也在整個包括我們的電腦系統跟這個資訊系統都已經改了當然這些改要一點時間不過我們預定實施是明年1月開始那我們不足的部分我們會並決算辦理假如他們有申報的那因為是臺大醫院院長代表發言兩位醫院院長是不是也一樣的承諾?\n紅木楷委員請回\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:00.169\n有請鄭部長\n\n00:21.498 --> 00:44.283\n在部長上來的同時部長好也跟我們所有全國令人尊敬的大學校長再一次致意我想高等教育需要我們大家一起努力推動那部長過去也是我們中山大學的校長所以一定更感受剛剛本席特別聆聽了部長的這個口頭報告裡面洋洋沙沙講了很多但是部長\n\n00:45.043 --> 01:11.720\n那麼多的大學校長坐在這邊前天我們看到我們臺大校長也帶頭呼籲說應該要推動高教前瞻計畫因為過去這幾年我們偉大的政府告訴我們是說我們的經濟表現如何的亮眼所以可以舉債可以做建設那一樣對於高等教育的部分本席也期待我們所有校長聚集在一堂都很想要拼都很想要打拼一班市委\n\n01:13.326 --> 01:39.020\n現在高等教育的前瞻計畫的部分教育部有聽到這樣的訴求嗎?有的,這兩天媒體確實有報導這個部長,會不會因為你是校長的身份跟你是部長的身份你的答案會不一樣?如果今天您也是坐在這邊的校長其中一員的話你支不支持高教前瞻計畫?高等教育\n\n01:40.629 --> 02:05.773\n人才的培育確實是我們國家發展非常重要的一個一環臺灣的一個人我們沒有天然資源我們靠的就是人才培育所以在這個經會的許可我們當然是全力來支持高等教育的一個發展不管在科研的一個能量的提升包括在人才培育上我想我們都會全力來支持\n\n02:06.254 --> 02:15.630\n全力支持但我看你們的回答不是這樣你們的回答是說今年已經編了1200億了所以意思就是說已經很多了\n\n02:16.533 --> 02:25.296\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功\n\n02:37.521 --> 03:02.531\n最基本的電費過去幾年電費漲了多少很多的校長都反映啊人事費用因為配合調薪所以要針對我們的教職員補薪調薪7乘5電費高漲經常性的支出越來越不夠用如果說連學校給系所的補助行政經費都已經在減縮的話那我們又怎麼樣能夠期待我們所有的校長能夠不用煩惱這一些\n\n03:04.392 --> 03:26.748\n而好好的專心來拚人才的培育所以我們現在講的是說有沒有另外的計畫除了你現在的1300億有沒有能不能提出另外的計畫部長有沒有這個決心跟魄力能夠跟行政院爭取也許不是今年但明年能不能出來跟委員報告我會努力的因為我是感同身受的但是跟委員報告\n\n03:29.190 --> 03:46.718\n教育部這些年來在整體的一個預算教育部的一個補助是從70、大概75億左右增加到將近80億也就是說它是逐年增加如果以這一個來講因為陳校長剛好在媒體裡面特別提到\n\n03:47.858 --> 03:58.726\n舉例東北大學東北大學每年都有100億日幣補助我想如果以教育部的75到80億大概簡單乘以3倍我相信我們至少也有250億到將近300億這樣的補助給台大我想台大是一個非常優秀是台灣的一個標竿\n\n04:10.894 --> 04:34.839\n大學我們會全力來支持他但是怎麼樣讓科研的能量再國際化的一些這些努力我相信我們都可以一起來共同努力那麼教育部部長你剛講了有講的沒講我真的很懷疑說如果你今天還是大學校長的議員的時候你能不能認同現在鄭部長講的話來部長我請教雖然排名\n\n04:36.021 --> 04:54.370\n他不是絕對可是他還是有參考指標2024年世界五百大大學排名臺灣有多少個大學進入選在QS裡邊我們是臺大臺大有進百大那五百大不會不知道吧\n\n04:55.475 --> 05:05.023\n五百大我們基本上大概有七所大學我覺得這是很基本的問題我本來以為你會秒答\n\n05:06.820 --> 05:29.717\n那如果說五百大裡面我還是再次強調排名不是一切因為我們有很多不同的大學有不同的特色他是沒有辦法量化的但實際上他也是一個全球的指標全球一千九百多所大學裡面五百大前五百大大學臺灣七所嘛我們的排名也是逐漸一直說實在話客觀的事實確實一直在後退啊\n\n05:30.578 --> 05:57.786\n那我現在在講的是說所以所有的大學校長大家都希望能夠做事結果柴米油鹽醬煮茶要讓大家花心神花精力的去跟人家募款去找校友贊助去成立校友會選校友會會長我想很多校長心有戚戚焉吧為什麼阿就是因為沒告知阿拜託校友大家來到校庭阿那但是我們現在講了那麼多結果部長你講的我覺得\n\n05:59.126 --> 06:23.992\n說實在不是一個具體的回答我們會跟委員報告我們會努力來爭取經費但是我也真的因為我本身曾經在高等教育非常長的時間所以會不會明年提出前瞻計畫還是不要用前瞻計畫用另外高教什麼計畫還是怎麼樣你能夠承諾現在1300億你能夠爭取到多少多增加一倍不然我提官走人行不行\n\n06:28.015 --> 06:45.584\n公務員報告這一個職務對我來講不重要我是真的來自於一種對臺灣這個土地的情感在人才培育我們看到部長我們都對臺灣很愛所以我才會站在這裡來啦好啦你如果說沒有辦法拿烏紗帽來賭注的話那我再請教一個比較簡單具體的電費調漲\n\n06:50.379 --> 07:13.441\n現在大家都講說明年不知道會不會漲啊?啊我沒講說民進黨錯誤的能源政策你放著火力發電燃煤全開燃氣全開然後結果成本一直增高那受苦受傷受害的就是全民啊那尤其是大學啊那我只是請教明年假設電費要漲教育部能不能現在承諾所有大學明年漲多少我補多少\n\n07:14.715 --> 07:38.709\n確實我們現在跟委員報告我們114年我們就編了59億用來補貼你現在明年編的錢其實如果說明年只要再漲你現在明年編的錢是因為因應今年已經漲了那我現在講說如果說假設明年再漲的話不管漲多少你能不能就承諾不會讓校長們為難我就是明年會漲\n\n07:40.230 --> 07:40.490\n議員主席議員主席\n\n08:04.584 --> 08:25.241\n這個我們除了編列59億的補差額以外,如果再有漲,那麼臺電會自行吸收,這是我們在114年時臺電沒有自行吸收,臺電他就是轉嫁到時候,部長我還有很多問題,今天那麼多校長來,大家就要看到一個有肩膀有魄力的部長,大家就要看到一個瞭解校長身身的部長\n\n08:27.743 --> 08:45.235\n您是從大學校長出身所以我相信你應該最了解大學校長心聲我其實是不是容委員給我多一點時間我想我們補貼我們一定支持大學一定支持大學所以承諾明年動長明年只要調漲的部分店價我們會來補助我們會來協助\n\n08:47.836 --> 09:09.761\n協助還是補助?我們會補助感謝委員對大學的支持部長我還有其他問題那我請台大、成大跟陽明大學附設醫院的院長一起上來一下好不好那時間是不是可以稍微暫停一下請這三位的校長出列一下院長三位院長醫學院的三位院長來時間還是稍微暫停一下吧還是等一下\n\n09:17.488 --> 09:19.670\n走路的時間暫停一下走路的時間暫停一下\n\n09:41.131 --> 09:54.003\n現在網路上傳出撥撥醫師的爭議其中所有Google一查還說什麼可以查到900多位撥撥醫師的名單當然昨天衛福部長馬上就去做\n\n09:54.929 --> 09:58.513\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所屬單位預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案\n\n10:14.051 --> 10:39.814\n但是他們畢竟也經過我們的國考而且如果說真的能夠進入到我們的醫療體系的話相信也有這樣的一個醫療專業那另外一種真的會對於是說波波醫師名單流傳好像造成汙名化然後讓大家去漏收甚至本席也看到這個名單因為你只要一查波波醫師名單就出來了也有幾位醫師有任職是在我們這個醫院裡面來院長是不是可以說明一下\n\n10:40.495 --> 11:08.413\n好那我來簡單說明一下那臺大醫院就那900多個名單查是沒有任何一個是在你沒有查查過有查過我們全部都查過雖然網路上說有兩位我們也特別就那兩位請他認為是在婦產部跟PCY我們都查過也沒有那為什麼臺大醫院沒有因為其實我們過去在院長室會議的時候就已經有做過決議就是我們假如是波蘭奇的\n\n11:09.694 --> 11:21.540\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n\n11:37.068 --> 11:48.772\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n\n11:53.573 --> 12:20.391\n其實波蘭好像因為進入歐盟所以就不需要就被認為是先進國家所以就不需要經過一個學歷認證我們其實還有一個學歷認證那我自己在裡面也參與過學歷那個非常的嚴謹大概通過力不到就是各位數字的percentage但是假如直接就是我們認為譬如說像美國、歐盟或是像紐澳這些先進國家或日本\n\n12:21.071 --> 12:42.784\n這些我們可以直接認證他的醫學系的學歷就只要參加我們的國考那國考通過也是有醫師執照所以臺灣的醫療水準一直被我們感到驕傲因為真的是名列前茅那但是現在有這樣的一個學歷採證的爭議尤其這個禮拜說也有本土的醫師要上街抗議\n\n12:44.345 --> 13:01.134\n院長我想請教就這樣第一線來講會不會認為是不要造成民眾的一個恐慌或者是對立有什麼樣衛福部是不是應該也應該跳出來講講話還是衛福部現在做的你認為是說可以化解國人對於我們醫療的水準的一個疑慮嗎\n\n13:02.760 --> 13:25.511\n我想國考這是一個最基本的需求但是我剛才已經講過醫師的養成不是只有考試他很多是必須要在臨床實際的經驗那這一部分確實是有待加強就是臨床經驗的累積必須要實際到醫院去照顧病人甚至累積這些經驗那我們認為波蘭籍的他們的\n\n13:32.154 --> 13:45.845\n教育我們是給予肯定但是但是他們確實真的少了這一塊就是臨床經驗因為語言文化大家也可以想他一定是見習怎麼可能有辦法實習\n\n13:48.067 --> 14:07.679\n院長那我最後只有一...稍微站起來醫師的爭議是一個部分那另外一個部分我也再提一下因為畢竟過去到現在也有幾個委員都有關心我們教育部旗下醫院的加班申請其實會讓基層同仁會覺得說不合理包括說之前最多只能用最小單位是半小時\n\n14:08.564 --> 14:33.630\n那我知道說你們現在在114年開始已經有要求是說要改每分鐘計算對不對可是我只提一個因為你現在的預算書明年針對人事的部分其實是沒有編足的所以換言之如果說真的用爐石能夠發放的話你現在預算看起來是不夠之硬喔那這樣子會不會讓外界覺得是說你這是\n\n14:36.207 --> 14:59.827\n發放加班費是玩假的因為醫護人員剛剛我們在提到醫療是我們的專業名列前茅但是很大一個部分也是醫護人員大家都一起努力所以說才能達到這個成果所以我只講確認一下明年不會因為說有預算不足而要求員工報加班費的時候暗示說經費不足要他們重新思考提報\n\n15:01.024 --> 15:29.055\n不會有出現這樣的狀況吧?我們假如真的有編不足基本上我們是贊成用分鐘來算所以我們也在整個包括我們的電腦系統跟這個資訊系統都已經改了當然這些改要一點時間不過我們預定實施是明年1月開始那我們不足的部分我們會並決算辦理假如他們有申報的那因為是臺大醫院院長代表發言兩位醫院院長是不是也一樣的承諾?\n\n15:30.374 --> 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那我來簡單說明一下那臺大醫院就那900多個名單查是沒有任何一個是在你沒有查 查過有查過 我們全部都查過雖然網路上說有兩位我們也特別就那兩位請他認為是在婦產部跟PCY我們都查過也沒有那為什麼臺大醫院沒有因為其實我們過去在院長室會議的時候就已經有做過決議就是我們假如是波蘭奇的"},{"start":669.694,"end":681.54,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":697.068,"end":708.772,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":713.573,"end":740.391,"text":"其實波蘭好像因為進入歐盟所以就不需要就被認為是先進國家所以就不需要經過一個學歷認證我們其實還有一個學歷認證那我自己在裡面也參與過學歷那個非常的嚴謹大概通過力不到就是各位數字的percentage但是假如直接就是我們認為譬如說像美國、歐盟或是像紐澳這些先進國家或日本"},{"start":741.071,"end":762.784,"text":"這些我們可以直接認證他的醫學系的學歷就只要參加我們的國考那國考通過也是有醫師執照所以臺灣的醫療水準一直被我們感到驕傲因為真的是名列前茅那但是現在有這樣的一個學歷採證的爭議尤其這個禮拜說也有本土的醫師要上街抗議"},{"start":764.345,"end":781.134,"text":"院長我想請教就這樣第一線來講會不會認為是不要造成民眾的一個恐慌或者是對立有什麼樣衛福部是不是應該也應該跳出來講講話還是衛福部現在做的你認為是說可以化解國人對於我們醫療的水準的一個疑慮嗎"},{"start":782.76,"end":805.511,"text":"我想國考這是一個最基本的需求但是我剛才已經講過醫師的養成不是只有考試他很多是必須要在臨床實際的經驗那這一部分確實是有待加強就是臨床經驗的累積必須要實際到醫院去照顧病人甚至累積這些經驗那我們認為波蘭籍的他們的"},{"start":812.154,"end":825.845,"text":"教育我們是給予肯定但是但是他們確實真的少了這一塊就是臨床經驗因為語言文化大家也可以想他一定是見習怎麼可能有辦法實習"},{"start":828.067,"end":847.679,"text":"院長那我最後只有一...稍微站起來醫師的爭議是一個部分那另外一個部分我也再提一下因為畢竟過去到現在也有幾個委員都有關心我們教育部旗下醫院的加班申請其實會讓基層同仁會覺得說不合理包括說之前最多只能用最小單位是半小時"},{"start":848.564,"end":873.63,"text":"那我知道說你們現在在114年開始已經有要求是說要改每分鐘計算對不對可是我只提一個因為你現在的預算書明年針對人事的部分其實是沒有編足的所以換言之如果說真的用爐石能夠發放的話你現在預算看起來是不夠之硬喔那這樣子會不會讓外界覺得是說你這是"},{"start":876.207,"end":899.827,"text":"發放加班費是玩假的因為醫護人員剛剛我們在提到醫療是我們的專業名列前茅但是很大一個部分也是醫護人員大家都一起努力所以說才能達到這個成果所以我只講確認一下明年不會因為說有預算不足而要求員工報加班費的時候暗示說經費不足要他們重新思考提報"},{"start":901.024,"end":929.055,"text":"不會有出現這樣的狀況吧?我們假如真的有編不足基本上我們是贊成用分鐘來算所以我們也在整個包括我們的電腦系統跟這個資訊系統都已經改了當然這些改要一點時間不過我們預定實施是明年1月開始那我們不足的部分我們會並決算辦理假如他們有申報的那因為是臺大醫院院長代表發言兩位醫院院長是不是也一樣的承諾?"},{"start":930.374,"end":930.734,"text":"紅木楷委員請回"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":85,"blocks":[["洪委員孟楷：（9時25分）主席謝謝，麻煩請鄭部長。"],["主席：有請鄭部長。"],["鄭部長英耀：委員早。"],["洪委員孟楷：部長好。在部長上來的同時，也跟我們所有全國令人尊敬的大學校長再一次致意。我想高等教育需要我們大家一起努力推動，部長過去也是中山大學的校長，所以一定更有感受。剛剛本席特別聆聽了部長的口頭報告，裡面洋洋灑灑講了很多，但是，部長，那麼多大學校長坐在這邊，前天我們看到臺大校長也帶頭呼籲說應該要推動高教前瞻計畫。因為過去這幾年，我們偉大的政府告訴我們說我們的經濟表現如何的亮眼，所以可以舉債可以做建設，一樣，對於高等教育的部分，本席也期待，我們所有校長聚集在一堂都很想要拚，都很想要打拚一番，現在高等教育前瞻計畫的部分，教育部有聽到這樣的訴求嗎？"],["鄭部長英耀：有的，這兩天媒體確實有報導臺大校長……"],["洪委員孟楷：部長，會不會因為你是校長身分跟你是部長身分，你的答案會不一樣？如果今天您也是坐在這邊的校長其中一員的話，你支不支持高教前瞻計畫？"],["鄭部長英耀：高等教育人才的培育確實是我們國家發展非常重要的一環，臺灣沒有天然資源，我們靠的就是人才培育，所以在經費許可下，我們當然是全力支持高等教育的發展，不管在科研的能量提升，包括在人才培育上，我想我們都會全力支持。"],["洪委員孟楷：是啊！全力支持啊！但我看你們的回答不是這樣，你們的回答是說今年已經編了1,200億，所以意思就是說已經很多了，沒關係，夠了！是不是？現在大家都知道1,200億，預算書早就出來了……"],["鄭部長英耀：1,332億。"],["洪委員孟楷：是，預算書早就出來了！"],["鄭部長英耀：是。"],["洪委員孟楷：重點在於我們認為現在的預算，其實講白了，我們所有校長大家都是當家方知持家難，柴、米、油、鹽、醬、醋、茶，最基本的電費，過去幾年電費漲了多少？很多校長都反映，人事費用，因為配合調薪，所以要針對教職員補薪、調薪七成五；電費高漲、經常性支出越來越不夠用，如果說連學校給系所的補助、行政經費都已經在減縮的話，我們又怎麼樣能夠期待我們所有校長不用煩惱這一些，而可以好好專心來拚人才的培育？"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，我想臺大這些年來……"],["洪委員孟楷：所以我們現在講的是有沒有另外的計畫？除了你現在的1,300億，能不能提出另外的計畫？部長有沒有這個決心跟魄力能夠跟行政院爭取？也許不是今年，但明年能不能出來？"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，我會努力的，因為我是感同身受的。但是跟委員報告，教育部這些年來整體的預算，教育部的補助是從75億左右增加到將近80億。"],["洪委員孟楷：從75億增加到80億，增加5億。"],["鄭部長英耀：逐年增加，如果以這個來講，因為陳校長剛好在媒體採訪時特別提到，以東北大學為例，即使是東北大學，每年都有100億日幣的補助，我想如果以教育部的75億到80億，我們簡單乘以3倍，我相信我們至少也有250億到將近300億這樣的補助給臺大。臺大非常優秀，是臺灣的一個標竿大學，我們會全力來支持它，但是怎麼樣讓科研的能量國際化，我相信我們都可以一起來努力，那麼教育部……"],["洪委員孟楷：部長，你剛剛講的，有講等於沒講，我真的很懷疑，如果你今天還是大學校長一員時，你能不能認同現在鄭部長講的話？部長，我請教，雖然排名不是絕對，可是還是參考指標。"],["鄭部長英耀：我同意。"],["洪委員孟楷：2024年世界五百大大學排名，臺灣有多少大學入選？"],["鄭部長英耀：在QS裡面，我們是臺大，臺大有進百大。"],["洪委員孟楷：那五百大，不會不知道吧？"],["鄭部長英耀：五百大我們基本上大概有7所大學。"],["洪委員孟楷：是，部長，我覺得這是很基本的問題，我本來以為你會秒答，如果說五百大裡面，我還是再一次強調排名不是一切，因為我們有很多不同的大學，有不同的特色，它是沒有辦法量化的，但實際上它也是一個全球的指標，全球一千九百多所大學裡面前五百大大學，臺灣7所，我們的排名說實在話，客觀的事實確實是一直在後退。我現在講的是，所有的大學校長都希望能夠做事，結果柴、米、油、鹽、醬、醋、茶要大家花心神、花精力去跟人家募款，去找校友贊助，去成立校友會，選校友會會長，我想很多校長心有戚戚焉吧！就是因為錢不夠啊，要拜託校友來幫忙啊，但是我們現在講了那麼多，結果部長講的，我覺得實在不是一個具體的回答。"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，我們會努力來爭取經費，但是我也真的……因為我本身曾經在高等教育非常長的時間……"],["洪委員孟楷：所以明年會不會提出前瞻計畫？還是不要用前瞻計畫，用另外的高教什麼計畫，還是你能夠承諾，現在1,300億你能夠爭取到多少？多增加一倍？不然，你掛冠走人，行不行？"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，這個職務對我來講不重要，我是真的來自於一種對臺灣這個土地的情感，在人才培育，我們看到……"],["洪委員孟楷：部長，我們都很愛臺灣，對臺灣很疼惜啦。"],["鄭部長英耀：所以我才會站在這裡。"],["洪委員孟楷：好啦，你如果說沒有辦法拿烏紗帽來下注的話，那我再請教一個比較簡單具體的問題──電費調漲，現在大家都說明年不知道會不會漲，我們也說民進黨錯誤的能源政策，放著火力發電燃煤全開、燃氣全開，結果成本一直增高，那受苦、受傷、受害的就是全民，尤其是大學。我只是請教明年假設電費要漲，現在教育部能不能承諾所有大學明年漲多少你補多少？"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，114年我們就編了59億……"],["洪委員孟楷：是嘛，但是不夠嘛！"],["鄭部長英耀：用來補貼……"],["洪委員孟楷：明年只要再漲，明年編的錢是因應今年已經漲了，那我現在講，假設明年再漲的話，不管漲多少，你能不能承諾不會讓校長們為難？就是明年會漲，沒辦法，因為台電就說要破產了，我們補了一、兩千億，台電還是要破產，所以一定要漲，那至少國小、國中、高中、大學校長不要為難，漲了也不會造成大家的負擔，教育部全部買單？"],["鄭部長英耀：感謝委員對高等教育這些實際的校務治理者、校長們的支持，確實我們除了編列59億補差額以外，如果再漲，那麼台電會自行吸收，這是我們在114年……"],["洪委員孟楷：台電沒有自行吸收，台電就是轉嫁，部長，我還有很多問題，今天那麼多校長來，大家要看到一個有肩膀、有魄力的部長，大家都要看到一個瞭解校長心聲的部長。"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，我們不會增加大學的負擔，這一個部分……"],["洪委員孟楷：你是從大學校長出身，所以我相信你應該最了解大學校長的心聲。"],["鄭部長英耀：是不是容委員給我多一點時間？"],["洪委員孟楷：不是，我只要Yes 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No，這樣有需要多久時間？"],["鄭部長英耀：我們一定支持大學，一定支持大學，經費差額……"],["洪委員孟楷：所以承諾明年凍漲，明年只要電價調漲，你們會補助。"],["鄭部長英耀：我們會來協助。"],["洪委員孟楷：協助還是補助？"],["鄭部長英耀：我們會補助。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，謝謝。"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，感謝委員對大學的支持。"],["洪委員孟楷：部長，我還有其他問題，我請臺大、成大、跟陽明大學附設醫院的院長一起上來。時間是不是可以稍微暫停一下？"],["主席：好的，請這三位醫學院院長出列。"],["洪委員孟楷：時間還是稍微暫停一下吧。"],["主席：走路的時間暫停一下。"],["洪委員孟楷：不然，召委對時間掌控得很嚴謹，我覺得有點緊張。","不過，部長，放輕鬆，我沒有要挖坑給你跳。"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員。"],["洪委員孟楷：今天9樓很難得所有的校長都來，本席真的是愛屋及烏，希望我們一起努力為臺灣的高等教育來努力。"],["鄭部長英耀：一定，謝謝委員。"],["洪委員孟楷：三位院長，現在網路上傳出這個波波醫師的爭議，還說什麼google一查就可以查到九百多位波波醫師的名單，當然昨天衛福部長馬上就做了澄清，但是很多人看完那個記者會之後，覺得有澄清跟沒澄清好像一樣，本席真的很想瞭解院長們對於波波醫師的看法。現在有兩種聲音，一種是波波醫師確實在取得學歷的過程中沒有臺灣那麼的嚴謹，但是他們畢竟也經過我們的國考，而且如果真的能夠進入到我們的醫療體系的話，相信也有醫療專業；另外一種波波醫師名單流傳真的會造成污名化，然後讓大家去肉搜，甚至本席也看到這個名單，因為你只要一查波波醫師，名單就出來了，也有幾位醫師在我們的醫院裡面任職，院長是不是可以說明一下？"],["吳院長明賢：好，我來簡單說明一下，臺大醫院就那九百多個名單查，沒有任何一個是在……"],["洪委員孟楷：你們有查過？"],["吳院長明賢：有查過，我們全部都查過，雖然網路上說有兩位，我們也特別就那兩位去查，他認為是在婦產部跟PGY，我們都查過也沒有。為什麼臺大醫院沒有？因為其實我們過去在院長室會議的時候就已經有做過決議，就是假如有波蘭籍的醫師申請住院醫師或實習，我們就暫不予考慮。不予考慮的原因是因為那時候認為其實醫師的養成比較重要，倒不是只有上課，比較重要的是實習，據我們所知，這些波蘭籍的醫師是沒有在地實習，因為語言文化的關係也很難。"],["洪委員孟楷：他們只有見習，但是連見習可能也都不一定有，我們現在看到的資料是這樣。"],["吳院長明賢：見習，對。所以我們那時候就做了這樣的決議。另外一個就是當時衛福部對於這些非九大區域的醫學院畢業生，要求他們要經過學歷認證考試，那個學歷認證考試非常的嚴，波蘭好像因為進入歐盟，就被認為是先進國家，所以就不需要經過一個學歷認證。我自己也參與過學歷認證，那個非常嚴謹，通過率大概就是個位數字的percentage。我們認為譬如美國、歐盟、紐、澳或日本這些先進國家的醫學院畢業生，我們可以直接認證他的醫學系的學歷，就只要參加我們的國考，國考通過也是有醫師執照，大概是這樣。"],["洪委員孟楷：臺灣的醫療水準一直讓我們感到驕傲，因為真的是名列前茅，但是現在有這樣一個學歷採證的爭議，尤其這個禮拜也有本土的醫師要上街抗議，院長，我想請教，就第一線來講，會不會認為不要造成民眾的恐慌或對立？衛福部是不是也應該跳出來講講話？還是衛福部現在做的，你認為可以化解國人對於我們醫療水準的疑慮？"],["吳院長明賢：我想國考是一個最基本的需求，但是我剛才已經講過，醫師的養成不是只有考試，很多是必須要有臨床實際的經驗，這一部分確實是有待加強，臨床經驗的累積必須要實際到醫院去照顧病人，以累積這些經驗。我們認為波蘭籍的醫師教育，我們是給予肯定，但是他們確實真的少了這一塊，就是臨床經驗，因為語言文化，大家也可以想到他一定是見習，怎麼可能有辦法實習。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，院長，召委站起來了。醫師的爭議也是一個部分，我也再提一下另外一個部分，畢竟過去到現在也有幾個委員都有關心教育部旗下醫院的加班申請，會讓基層同仁會覺得不合理，包括之前最小單位是半小時，我知道你們在114年開始已經有要求改成以每分鐘計算，對不對？"],["吳院長明賢：對。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，可是我只提一個，因為你現在的預算書明年針對人事的部分，其實是沒有編足的；換言之，如果真的要如實能夠發放，現在的預算看起來是不夠支應，這樣子會不會讓外界覺得發放加班費是玩假的？剛剛我們提到醫療是我們的專業，名列前茅，但是很大的部分也是醫護人員大家一起努力，才能達到這個成果。所以我只想確認一下，明年不會因為有預算不足，而在員工報加班費的時候，暗示說經費不足，要他們重新思考提報，不會有出現這樣的狀況吧？"],["吳院長明賢：假如我們真的有編不足，基本上我們是贊成用分鐘來計算，所以我們也在調整，包括電腦系統跟資訊系統都已經改了，當然這些修改要一點時間，不過我們預定實施是明年1月開始，預算不足的部分，我們會併決算辦理，假如他們有申報的……"],["洪委員孟楷：好，因為是臺大醫院院長代表發言，兩位醫院院長是不是也一樣的承諾？有不同意見可以發言，如果沒有不同意見就……"],["主席：是不是就一句話簡答好嗎？"],["李院長經維：報告委員，一樣是這個答案。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，謝謝。"],["楊院長純豪：陽明交通大學一併辦理，謝謝。"],["洪委員孟楷：好，謝謝。我們一起努力，再次感謝。"],["主席：洪孟楷委員請回，部長及三位院長也請回，謝謝。","我們下一位質詢是葛如鈞委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":422,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-8","speakers":["范雲","洪孟楷","葛如鈞","萬美玲","陳培瑜","林倩綺","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","林宜瑾","張雅琳","吳沛憶","黃健豪","吳思瑤","林德福","王育敏","陳昭姿","涂權吉","楊瓊瓔","吳春城","羅智強","林月琴","羅廷瑋","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","葉元之","陳俊宇","翁曉玲","柯志恩","邱志偉","何欣純"],"page_start":339,"meetingDate":["2024-11-14"],"gazette_id":"1139901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139901_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部及所屬單位預算案；二、審查114年度教育部主管\n47 所國立大學校院校務基金、國立臺灣大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基\n金、國立陽明交通大學附設醫院作業基金、教育部所屬機構作業基金、國立高級中等學校校務基\n金、學產基金、運動發展基金、私立高級中等以上學校退場基金；三、審查114年度行政法人國\n家運動訓練中心預算案；四、審查114年度行政法人國家運動科學中心預算案（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"1139901_00006"}}}