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00:00:40,303\n那今天事實上是你們環境部的業務報告跟114年的預算的詢答那大概就三件事來跟你做討論就碳費的目標跟碳費要怎麼分配跟我們目前觀察到的綠領人才反正事實上是要質詢這可是因為颱風而延後部長針對於\n\n3\n00:00:50,475 --> 00:01:11,199\n那目前就是大概你的整個的就是在2026年的話就要開始收碳費那2024年就有地方政府現在我們的盧市長就已經出來喊說八成要留在留在地方那你\n\n4\n00:01:12,488 --> 00:01:24,417\n針對媒體報導您也提到說整個的碳費使用跟分配要修所謂的溫室氣體的管理基金收支保管跟運用辦法這年底會完成嗎?\n\n5\n00:01:25,966 --> 00:01:43,591\n對,現在正在預公告嘛。來,邀請處長。跟委員報告,就是我們那個溫管基金的收支保管運用辦法依照預算法是要由行政院訂定。那我們現在已經完成預告的這個程序,目前報請行政院在審查當中。\n\n6\n00:01:45,114 --> 00:02:06,973\n那你這整個因為我們這是沒有看到你的預算裡面看針對碳費怎麼運用或用什麼方法進行研究所以部長署長那整個的你的碳費規劃的預計會用在哪些方面?報告委員其實因為碳費是後年才會有所以我們不會在明年的預算上面那有沒有要去做研究說那你怎麼規劃?\n\n7\n00:02:08,294 --> 00:02:27,729\n等於是說這個管理辦法當行政院核定我們現在在預公告然後也行政院在審核當中那通過了之後因為這個跟我們過去是不一樣因為過去最早要訂這個碳費的時候其實那時候的試想其實是可能會到一千億所以基本上是拉得很大啊現在呢其實是規模比較小\n\n8\n00:02:28,169 --> 00:02:44,386\n所以其實裡面的組成的成員還有特性可能會不大一樣所以我們在修正當中我們預計呢如果按照這個速度的話應該是希望最快是年底這個這個法案可以我們的這個執法可以通過那通過之後我們就開始聘任這個委員那就有一個委員會可以來討論這個事情好\n\n9\n00:02:48,046 --> 00:02:49,467\n公務及基金預算案關於環境部部主管預算\n\n10\n00:03:06,462 --> 00:03:07,102\n公務及基金預算\n\n11\n00:03:29,291 --> 00:03:29,791\n公務及基金預算\n\n12\n00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:48,280\n公務及基金預算\n\n13\n00:04:08,874 --> 00:04:34,500\n就職轉職的證照需求不明確甚至學校的課程大學的養成到底可不可以銜接你職場所以使得我們的要轉職的或就職的勞工朋友們社會新鮮人常常都會錯錯不前不知道我要怎麼做雖然這些業務有的像學校課程應該是教育部有的跟經濟部有關係可是談到淨零減碳還是以環境部\n\n14\n00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:40,154\n最為專業所以關於我們的未來人才的培育我相信你們當然沒有辦法\n\n15\n00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:57,583\n自身事外我們就來看我們現在碰到的問題這都是我們辦公室因為有人在後台針對你們現在目前如果環境部不出來處理的話就首先我們以ISO的14064-1的那個證照為例這是一張有關溫室氣體的盤查內部查證人員那我請我們的同仁去看整個去比對之後\n\n16\n00:05:07,625 --> 00:05:36,102\n發現同樣一套課程有人開價5250元一堂課可是也有高達33500價差非常的大那到底對於有志要踏入這個行業的人就要問我是否需要證明我有綠領專業的證照那證照之後我要去哪裡考取還有我要上課還是接受什麼樣訓練甚至證照考取跟我的薪資有沒有真相關以上這些問題不管在PTT\n\n17\n00:05:36,862 --> 00:06:02,316\n獲得是低卡的求職版面都有不少年輕人在詢問而且目前政府回應相對的是少的所以國家而且我們自己的國家環境研究院開設的課程可是非常的量很少而且也沒辦法解決我剛剛前面提的這些問題要踏入這個行業裡面要的證照這些關鍵接下來第二個\n\n18\n00:06:03,635 --> 00:06:20,462\n到底要用什麼證照所以打開114的人力行我們搜尋永續管理師這個職缺分別就兩間我們的科技公司以及一間大型的旅行社都在徵才可是的確目前我們的綠領人才呢\n\n19\n00:06:21,122 --> 00:06:23,344\n三、審查中華民國113年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部部長列席報告案2案\n\n20\n00:06:41,801 --> 00:07:02,392\n到底要轉職求職要不要考證照還有要不要受訓那想要那個人想要進入那個綠領行業的夥伴真的是一頭霧水所以以上這些案例環境部是不是可以跟我們民眾們解釋就是說來跟我們說明說到底綠領人才要不要考證照\n\n21\n00:07:03,852 --> 00:07:25,422\n好,呃,謝謝委員齁,委員果然是把這個問題都把它點出來了,那也跟委員報告我們其實環境部在過去這幾個月我們很努力的把各個跨部會去做整合,發現了委員你說的就是這個問題,還包含民間的這個亂象,所以我們現在呢,呃,透過國環院透過來整合大家,所以我們大概在12月中會有一個完整的\n\n22\n00:07:25,762 --> 00:07:41,938\n委員你說的都是問題那我們已經把它彙整起來了到時候也希望委員一起來參加我們的形式那個報告那個報告呢其實就指出了例如說證照需要什麼我們政府要扮演什麼樣的角色所以我們大概在12月中會正式推出來一個新的政策總會拿到這些報告嗎?\n\n23\n00:07:44,480 --> 00:08:10,076\n對對對就是說像這個證照的確有些是政府有在推的但是很多民間他花了很多錢甚至還有30萬的詐騙的都有所以我們現在呢過去這個是很難去處理的但是我們現在經過這幾個月我們會推出來一套政策會讓大家知道說這是綠領讓環境部會來承擔然後跨部會來進行合作我希望環境部真的要扛起來否則的話過去我們自己在看\n\n24\n00:08:11,263 --> 00:08:35,337\n議員長也是每一次政府沒有很明確公告就不斷不斷上課三年上一套課三年他每一次都要交兩三萬塊你真的是讓我們的民間老民傷財可能要去考慮最後在2026年呢真的碳費起徵可不我也要很擔心的是會不會有不法企業繳交我們的假報告因為過去我在擔任我在民間\n\n25\n00:08:36,244 --> 00:09:02,081\n團體的時候擔任我們的遊戲場審議會的委員的時候那對於誰可以審議甚至簽證那資格怎麼去認定是有一套規定的因為為什麼要避免假報告橫行假報告一旦橫行的話不合格的遊戲場被簽署合格的話最後受害的是孩子所以一樣的從環境部這邊我們當然有就期待所以請環境部能夠先說明未來2026年徵收碳費\n\n26\n00:09:04,883 --> 00:09:27,296\n從計算、碳排、繳交報告政府怎麼審報告最後核定費率的流程大致會怎麼去進行這過程是不是都要有人員需要有相關證照來驗證或透過上課時數來認證因為目前像遊戲場他是有要拿到合格證明書的人他才有辦法去做這樣的一個簽證說這個遊戲場是合格的\n\n27\n00:09:29,537 --> 00:09:58,429\n那所以目前我們的綠領人才的課程呢又滿天飛環境部目前我們還是希望你在課程跟費用都要有一定的標準如果我們也是期待12月中旬可以拿到你的報告最後期待因為我覺得這114年的預算希望有幾件事情你要務必注意的就是說第一個預算已經是編列研究費用那就應該盡數依照我們的\n\n28\n00:09:59,340 --> 00:10:12,179\n氣候變遷因應法第10條的規定競速訂出我國溫室氣體的減量目標。第二個事實上碳費徵收的SOP已經過程中需要認證的以及避免繳交假報告請環境部\n\n29\n00:10:15,084 --> 00:10:42,443\n進速跟我們的對外做說明讓我們的人不要很慌亂的不知道要怎麼做第三個就是綠領人才培育目前課程亂糟糟我覺得國家環境研究院也有開課你花了8300多萬所以是不是請環境部對外說明的時候一定要針對到底未來證照的必要性還有課程內容跟資質培育避免求職的人或轉職的夥伴花了很多時間金錢就發現沒有用\n\n30\n00:10:44,184 --> 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知道說這是綠領讓環境部會來承擔然後跨部會來進行合作我希望環境部真的要扛起來否則的話過去我們自己在看\n議員長也是每一次政府沒有很明確公告就不斷不斷上課三年上一套課三年他每一次都要交兩三萬塊你真的是讓我們的民間老民傷財可能要去考慮最後在2026年呢真的碳費起徵可不我也要很擔心的是會不會有不法企業繳交我們的假報告因為過去我在擔任我在民間\n團體的時候擔任我們的遊戲場審議會的委員的時候那對於誰可以審議甚至簽證那資格怎麼去認定是有一套規定的因為為什麼要避免假報告橫行假報告一旦橫行的話不合格的遊戲場被簽署合格的話最後受害的是孩子所以一樣的從環境部這邊我們當然有就期待所以請環境部能夠先說明未來2026年徵收碳費\n從計算、碳排、繳交報告政府怎麼審報告最後核定費率的流程大致會怎麼去進行這過程是不是都要有人員需要有相關證照來驗證或透過上課時數來認證因為目前像遊戲場他是有要拿到合格證明書的人他才有辦法去做這樣的一個簽證說這個遊戲場是合格的\n那所以目前我們的綠領人才的課程呢又滿天飛環境部目前我們還是希望你在課程跟費用都要有一定的標準如果我們也是期待12月中旬可以拿到你的報告最後期待因為我覺得這114年的預算希望有幾件事情你要務必注意的就是說第一個預算已經是編列研究費用那就應該盡數依照我們的\n氣候變遷因應法第10條的規定競速訂出我國溫室氣體的減量目標。第二個事實上碳費徵收的SOP已經過程中需要認證的以及避免繳交假報告請環境部\n進速跟我們的對外做說明讓我們的人不要很慌亂的不知道要怎麼做第三個就是綠領人才培育目前課程亂糟糟我覺得國家環境研究院也有開課你花了8300多萬所以是不是請環境部對外說明的時候一定要針對到底未來證照的必要性還有課程內容跟資質培育避免求職的人或轉職的夥伴花了很多時間金錢就發現沒有用\n以上這三點請環境部要注意到。好,謝謝委員的意見。委員果然是把這個問題都點出來。我們也的確正在進行當中。我們會依照委員的這個指教,我把它納進來,到我們這個12月中的報告。好,謝謝。謝謝部長,謝謝。謝謝林月琴委員。接下來請陳錦文\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.301 --> 00:05.682\n財務部長蔡琳宜\n\n00:21.772 --> 00:40.303\n那今天事實上是你們環境部的業務報告跟114年的預算的詢答那大概就三件事來跟你做討論就碳費的目標跟碳費要怎麼分配跟我們目前觀察到的綠領人才反正事實上是要質詢這可是因為颱風而延後部長針對於\n\n00:50.475 --> 01:11.199\n那目前就是大概你的整個的就是在2026年的話就要開始收碳費那2024年就有地方政府現在我們的盧市長就已經出來喊說八成要留在留在地方那你\n\n01:12.488 --> 01:24.417\n針對媒體報導您也提到說整個的碳費使用跟分配要修所謂的溫室氣體的管理基金收支保管跟運用辦法這年底會完成嗎?\n\n01:25.966 --> 01:43.591\n對,現在正在預公告嘛。來,邀請處長。跟委員報告,就是我們那個溫管基金的收支保管運用辦法依照預算法是要由行政院訂定。那我們現在已經完成預告的這個程序,目前報請行政院在審查當中。\n\n01:45.114 --> 02:06.973\n那你這整個因為我們這是沒有看到你的預算裡面看針對碳費怎麼運用或用什麼方法進行研究所以部長署長那整個的你的碳費規劃的預計會用在哪些方面?報告委員其實因為碳費是後年才會有所以我們不會在明年的預算上面那有沒有要去做研究說那你怎麼規劃?\n\n02:08.294 --> 02:27.729\n等於是說這個管理辦法當行政院核定我們現在在預公告然後也行政院在審核當中那通過了之後因為這個跟我們過去是不一樣因為過去最早要訂這個碳費的時候其實那時候的試想其實是可能會到一千億所以基本上是拉得很大啊現在呢其實是規模比較小\n\n02:28.169 --> 02:44.386\n所以其實裡面的組成的成員還有特性可能會不大一樣所以我們在修正當中我們預計呢如果按照這個速度的話應該是希望最快是年底這個這個法案可以我們的這個執法可以通過那通過之後我們就開始聘任這個委員那就有一個委員會可以來討論這個事情好\n\n02:48.046 --> 02:49.467\n公務及基金預算案關於環境部部主管預算\n\n03:06.462 --> 03:07.102\n公務及基金預算\n\n03:29.291 --> 03:29.791\n公務及基金預算\n\n03:47.680 --> 03:48.280\n公務及基金預算\n\n04:08.874 --> 04:34.500\n就職轉職的證照需求不明確甚至學校的課程大學的養成到底可不可以銜接你職場所以使得我們的要轉職的或就職的勞工朋友們社會新鮮人常常都會錯錯不前不知道我要怎麼做雖然這些業務有的像學校課程應該是教育部有的跟經濟部有關係可是談到淨零減碳還是以環境部\n\n04:35.200 --> 04:40.154\n最為專業所以關於我們的未來人才的培育我相信你們當然沒有辦法\n\n04:40.839 --> 04:57.583\n自身事外我們就來看我們現在碰到的問題這都是我們辦公室因為有人在後台針對你們現在目前如果環境部不出來處理的話就首先我們以ISO的14064-1的那個證照為例這是一張有關溫室氣體的盤查內部查證人員那我請我們的同仁去看整個去比對之後\n\n05:07.625 --> 05:36.102\n發現同樣一套課程有人開價5250元一堂課可是也有高達33500價差非常的大那到底對於有志要踏入這個行業的人就要問我是否需要證明我有綠領專業的證照那證照之後我要去哪裡考取還有我要上課還是接受什麼樣訓練甚至證照考取跟我的薪資有沒有真相關以上這些問題不管在PTT\n\n05:36.862 --> 06:02.316\n獲得是低卡的求職版面都有不少年輕人在詢問而且目前政府回應相對的是少的所以國家而且我們自己的國家環境研究院開設的課程可是非常的量很少而且也沒辦法解決我剛剛前面提的這些問題要踏入這個行業裡面要的證照這些關鍵接下來第二個\n\n06:03.635 --> 06:20.462\n到底要用什麼證照所以打開114的人力行我們搜尋永續管理師這個職缺分別就兩間我們的科技公司以及一間大型的旅行社都在徵才可是的確目前我們的綠領人才呢\n\n06:21.122 --> 06:23.344\n三、審查中華民國113年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部部長列席報告案2案\n\n06:41.801 --> 07:02.392\n到底要轉職求職要不要考證照還有要不要受訓那想要那個人想要進入那個綠領行業的夥伴真的是一頭霧水所以以上這些案例環境部是不是可以跟我們民眾們解釋就是說來跟我們說明說到底綠領人才要不要考證照\n\n07:03.852 --> 07:25.422\n好,呃,謝謝委員齁,委員果然是把這個問題都把它點出來了,那也跟委員報告我們其實環境部在過去這幾個月我們很努力的把各個跨部會去做整合,發現了委員你說的就是這個問題,還包含民間的這個亂象,所以我們現在呢,呃,透過國環院透過來整合大家,所以我們大概在12月中會有一個完整的\n\n07:25.762 --> 07:41.938\n委員你說的都是問題那我們已經把它彙整起來了到時候也希望委員一起來參加我們的形式那個報告那個報告呢其實就指出了例如說證照需要什麼我們政府要扮演什麼樣的角色所以我們大概在12月中會正式推出來一個新的政策總會拿到這些報告嗎?\n\n07:44.480 --> 08:10.076\n對對對就是說像這個證照的確有些是政府有在推的但是很多民間他花了很多錢甚至還有30萬的詐騙的都有所以我們現在呢過去這個是很難去處理的但是我們現在經過這幾個月我們會推出來一套政策會讓大家知道說這是綠領讓環境部會來承擔然後跨部會來進行合作我希望環境部真的要扛起來否則的話過去我們自己在看\n\n08:11.263 --> 08:35.337\n議員長也是每一次政府沒有很明確公告就不斷不斷上課三年上一套課三年他每一次都要交兩三萬塊你真的是讓我們的民間老民傷財可能要去考慮最後在2026年呢真的碳費起徵可不我也要很擔心的是會不會有不法企業繳交我們的假報告因為過去我在擔任我在民間\n\n08:36.244 --> 09:02.081\n團體的時候擔任我們的遊戲場審議會的委員的時候那對於誰可以審議甚至簽證那資格怎麼去認定是有一套規定的因為為什麼要避免假報告橫行假報告一旦橫行的話不合格的遊戲場被簽署合格的話最後受害的是孩子所以一樣的從環境部這邊我們當然有就期待所以請環境部能夠先說明未來2026年徵收碳費\n\n09:04.883 --> 09:27.296\n從計算、碳排、繳交報告政府怎麼審報告最後核定費率的流程大致會怎麼去進行這過程是不是都要有人員需要有相關證照來驗證或透過上課時數來認證因為目前像遊戲場他是有要拿到合格證明書的人他才有辦法去做這樣的一個簽證說這個遊戲場是合格的\n\n09:29.537 --> 09:58.429\n那所以目前我們的綠領人才的課程呢又滿天飛環境部目前我們還是希望你在課程跟費用都要有一定的標準如果我們也是期待12月中旬可以拿到你的報告最後期待因為我覺得這114年的預算希望有幾件事情你要務必注意的就是說第一個預算已經是編列研究費用那就應該盡數依照我們的\n\n09:59.340 --> 10:12.179\n氣候變遷因應法第10條的規定競速訂出我國溫室氣體的減量目標。第二個事實上碳費徵收的SOP已經過程中需要認證的以及避免繳交假報告請環境部\n\n10:15.084 --> 10:42.443\n進速跟我們的對外做說明讓我們的人不要很慌亂的不知道要怎麼做第三個就是綠領人才培育目前課程亂糟糟我覺得國家環境研究院也有開課你花了8300多萬所以是不是請環境部對外說明的時候一定要針對到底未來證照的必要性還有課程內容跟資質培育避免求職的人或轉職的夥伴花了很多時間金錢就發現沒有用\n\n10:44.184 --> 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14064-1的證照為例，這是一張有關溫室氣體盤查的內部查證人員，我請我們的同仁去看，並整個比對之後，發現同樣一套課程有人開價5,250元一堂課，可是也有高達3萬3,500元的，價差非常地大，對於有志要踏入這個行業的人就要問，他是否需要證明有綠領專業的證照？他要去哪裡考取證照？他要上課還是接受什麼樣的訓練？甚至證照考取跟他的薪資有沒有正相關？以上這些問題，不管在PTT或者是Dcard的求職版面都有不少年輕人在詢問，並且目前政府的回應是相對少的，而且你們自己國家環境研究院開設的課程量非常地少，也沒辦法解決我剛剛前面提的這些問題，要踏入這個行業裡面要有的證照，這些是關鍵。","第二個，到底要用什麼證照？打開104人力銀行，我們搜尋永續管理師的職缺，就分別有兩間科技公司以及一間大型旅行社都在徵才，的確目前我們的綠領人才仍依照媒體報導的，各行各業都在努力找人，那到底要找什麼人？可是工作條件上，有的是不拘，就是根本沒有要求一定要有證照或什麼，有的是一定要有證照為佳，那到底什麼證照呢？可是有的直接明確要求要有證照，所以就讓人家很懷疑到底轉職、求職要不要考證照，還有要不要受訓，想要進入綠領行業的夥伴，真的是一頭霧水。以上這些案例，環境部是不是可以跟民眾們解釋？就是你跟我們說明到底綠領人才要不要考證照。"],["彭部長啓明：謝謝委員，委員果然把這個問題都點出來了，也跟委員報告，其實環境部在過去這幾個月很努力地將各個跨部會做整合，發現了委員說的就是這個問題，還包含民間的亂象，所以我們現在是透過國環院來整合大家，大概在12月中會有一個完整的，委員說的都是問題，我們已經把它彙整起來了，到時候也希望委員一起來參加我們的報告，那個報告其實就指出，例如證照需要什麼、政府要扮演什麼樣的角色，所以我們大概在12月中會正式推出一個新的政策，也會整合很多的部會。"],["林委員月琴：12月中會拿到這些報告嗎？"],["彭部長啓明：對，像這個證照的確有些是政府有在推的，但是很多民間花了很多錢，甚至還有30萬的、詐騙都有，過去這個是很難去處理的，但是我們經過這幾個月會推出一套政策，讓大家知道這是綠領，環境部會來承擔，然後跨部會來進行合作。"],["林委員月琴：我希望環境部真的要扛起來，否則的話，過去我們在看的幼兒園園長也是，因為政府沒有很明確地公告，所以就不斷不斷上課，3年上一套課，每一次都要交兩、三萬塊，事實上這真的讓民間勞民傷財，所以可能要去考慮。"],["彭部長啓明：對。"],["林委員月琴：另外，在2026年真的碳費起徵，可是我也要很擔心的是，會不會有不法企業繳交假報告，因為過去我在民間團體擔任遊戲場審議會委員的時候，對於誰可以審議，甚至簽證，然後資格怎麼去認定是有一套規定的，為什麼？因為要避免假報告橫行，假報告一旦橫行，不合格的遊戲場被簽署合格的話，最後受害的是孩子。所以一樣的，環境部這邊我們當然就有期待，因此請環境部能夠先說明，未來2026年徵收碳費，從計算碳排到繳交報告，政府怎麼審報告，最後核定費率的流程大致會怎麼進行，這過程是不是都要有人員需要有相關證照來驗證，或透過上課時數來認證，因為目前像遊戲場，要拿到合格證明書的人才有辦法去做這樣的一個簽證，以表示這個遊戲場是合格的。目前綠領人才的課程又滿天飛，我們還是希望環境部在課程跟費用上都要有一定的標準，我們也是期待12月中旬可以拿到你的報告。","最後，針對114年的預算，希望有幾件事情是你要務必注意的，第一個，預算已經有編列研究費用，就應該依照氣候變遷因應法第十條的規定，儘速訂出我國溫室氣體的減量目標。第二個，碳費徵收的SOP及過程中需要認證的，以及避免繳交假報告，請環境部儘速對外做說明，讓大家不要很慌亂地不知道要怎麼做。第三個，綠領人才培育目前課程亂糟糟，國家環境研究院也有開課，花了八千三百多萬，所以請環境部對外說明的時候，一定要針對未來證照的必要性、課程內容及師資培育，避免求職或轉職的夥伴花了很多時間、金錢卻發現沒有用。以上這三點，請環境部要注意到。"],["彭部長啓明：好，謝謝委員的意見，委員果然把這個問題都點出來，我們也的確正在進行當中，我們會依照委員的指教，把它納進到我們12月中的報告。"],["林委員月琴：好，謝謝部長。"],["彭部長啓明：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝林月琴委員。","接下來請陳菁徽委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":348,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-8","speakers":["黃秀芳","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","王育敏","邱鎮軍","廖偉翔","盧縣一","蘇清泉","王正旭","楊瓊瓔","林淑芬","洪申翰","黃建賓","涂權吉","林俊憲","陳瑩","陳培瑜","洪孟楷","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","牛煦庭","葉元之","劉建國","楊曜","張雅琳"],"page_start":85,"meetingDate":["2024-11-14"],"gazette_id":"11310001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310001_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、繼續處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結報告案2案；二、邀\n請環境部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；三、審查中華民國 114年度中央政府總預算案關於\n環境部主管預算（公務及基金預算）（僅詢答）；四、審查環境部函送財團法人環境資源研究發\n展基金會等4家財團法人114年度預算書案（僅詢答）","agenda_id":"11310001_00002"}}}