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00:03:13,335\n這個要提升行政院公務人員人工智能實施計畫那在這個重要施政計畫裡面也把這個AI通識智能齁公務人員AI通識智能都列在你們的這個這個重要施政計畫裡面那這個都很好這個我都肯定啦齁因為畢竟我們現在這個內閣是是號稱要成為一個AI內閣但是接著我看到你們這些這個施政口頭報告這些書面報告之後但是接著\n\n9\n00:03:14,445 --> 00:03:14,865\n吳沛憶等21人擬具\n\n10\n00:03:46,136 --> 00:04:10,190\n在我們6月6號行政院所提出來公務人員人工智慧智能實施計畫裡面包括一些不是年度的計畫是長期的從113年度到117年的一個長期實施計畫照理講這個都是過去沒有的理論上應該要呈現在我們的預算上面\n\n11\n00:04:11,718 --> 00:04:19,544\n但是我這樣我就仔細的翻閱你們預算書就是找沒有看到沒有看到我們的這個相關的這個實施計畫在我們預算書裡面欸\n\n12\n00:04:24,903 --> 00:04:41,235\n謝謝委員給我這個機會說明那事實上我們在人力學院裡面有一個訓練輔導級研究裡面有一個項目是在職訓練研習課程的部分我們有編了400萬事實上400萬是不夠對對訓練輔導級研究裡面的在職訓練研習課程裡面有400萬\n\n13\n00:04:48,780 --> 00:05:12,848\n啊事實上這400萬是不夠的所以我們現在同時也在這個禮拜二我們有跟國安會去申請一個專案的一個計劃是2500萬因為我們在編這個預算的時候因為6月6號才通過嘛然後114年本身我們的預算的編列是被我們在二月三月之間擬嘛\n\n14\n00:05:13,968 --> 00:05:14,888\n三）委員吳沛憶等21人擬具\n\n15\n00:05:33,936 --> 00:05:35,477\n我換一個方式跟委員報告啦事實上我們現在同步假如明年要大幅的去推動政府機關不是假如這個是你們的實施計畫在6月6號你們公布的\n\n16\n00:06:00,237 --> 00:06:16,948\nAI人工智慧公務人員AI人工智慧提升實施計畫這400萬是BASEON現有的基礎所以我們在禮拜二有去跟國發會申請一筆2500萬的一個訓練的經費明年就會來加入等於明年我們有2900萬也就是說你們現在6月6號所提出的計畫你們沒有辦法在這個預算書裡面呈現呈現只有400萬不夠所以你們\n\n17\n00:06:29,714 --> 00:06:50,687\n現在跟國發會那邊來申請這個專案的預算2500萬通過了沒有目前在審查不過我有親自拜託吳主委他說如果沒有過勒應該沒啦我們就只做400萬啦報告委員我非常有信心啦\n\n18\n00:06:55,269 --> 00:07:13,997\n市長這個我有點哭笑不得你現在預算我拿預算書翻翻翻翻不到預算然後你說啊這個因為因為這個6月6號才決定的預算的計畫我們來不及編列所以我們就就去現在跟國發會申請這個專案的預算就算預算到現在還沒有準\n\n19\n00:07:16,681 --> 00:07:21,284\n這是我們六一六號大張旗鼓開記者會的。國科會的一萬多年有幾十年內基中可以做人工智慧相關的,我們有去國科會申請2500萬。這個目前是在審查啦,應該國科會應該會安置。我跟你講,這樣的人事長。\n\n20\n00:07:40,069 --> 00:08:01,160\n這個6月6號公布這個實施計畫8月7號我們卓院長去出席我們副首長這個副首長共事營的時候他那時候是對外正式宣布明年度的預算也就是我們等一下開始審的預算明年度的預算裡面我們這個有關AI的提升他要編列100億100億喔編列100億來做這個人工智慧的提升\n\n21\n00:08:07,349 --> 00:08:26,020\n在哪裡?這100億的主體應該是在數位發展部的部分數位發展部還有國科會那個主體會在這兩個部會主政單位是你工務人員的提升計畫是你主政對不對?工務人員的提升我不是說一定100億都要點人種我沒有這樣說我是說這100億在哪裡?\n\n22\n00:08:31,863 --> 00:08:33,384\n我委員報告其實提升人工智慧這個\n\n23\n00:09:00,641 --> 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