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00:01:25,154\n那我先講我想以上真的各位校長大家辛苦了那今天從很多地方大家都要趕到這裡來但是一年一次今天也非常的重要那以上幾位校長因為今天有幾件事情要跟大家做一個釐清的了解那我想這個我們在108年109年的時候我們桃園市跟以上幾個學校簽了很多的MOU\n\n5\n00:01:31,138 --> 00:01:56,588\n那當時我們桃園市的市民其實知道這個消息以後其實非常的欣喜非常的期盼不管是要來桃園設校要來桃園做教育園區要來桃園做醫療專區那桃園市民真的是歡欣鼓舞不過108年109年的時候很密集的跟以上各校簽了MOU我想請教一下先以清華大學來做代表那校長清華大學校長\n\n6\n00:01:59,963 --> 00:02:04,847\n當時MOU是市府主動找你們的還是你們學校提計劃的?這個方案是市政府跟清華大學一同找你們的\n\n7\n00:02:23,388 --> 00:02:36,300\n市長請問是市府找你們的還是你們提計畫的?市府先表達意願讓我們也覺得合理那陽明交通大學市府找你們的還是你們提計畫的?我想是兩邊大概誰先?\n\n8\n00:02:37,776 --> 00:02:59,748\n因為是前任我不太曉得誰先你不太清楚其實我相信今天任何一個計畫一個位置接下來我們還是要了解之前的計畫好那我想一樣現在請教一下我們清華大學校長那既然是市府主動的當時我們接到這個邀請的時候我們有沒有評估我們的可行性有沒有評估自身的實力有沒有評估過自己的財力等一下各校長我想都是一樣的問題校長\n\n9\n00:03:01,529 --> 00:03:27,108\n對,當然這個清華大學面對這個那麼大的……評估過可行性嗎?可行嗎?而且有在學校……校長,可行嗎?是可行的。可行的,好。那自己的實力在清華大學的部分的話,這個實力上面我們可以做到嗎?是的。可以做到,好。我們的財力可以應援嗎?財力那當然需要多方面的合作。好,來,那個中央大學?\n\n10\n00:03:28,922 --> 00:03:29,142\n財力財力\n\n11\n00:03:49,744 --> 00:04:17,942\n我想您應該也都非常支持我們這個國立大學到任何一個地方做這個校務的擴展或者是對當地有所貢獻我相信站在教育的大家長您一定是同意的嘛對嘛好那我們看到這個跟我們唐人市政府簽的MOU我們今天大家來看一下我們清華大學簽的MOU108年4月那當然後來過期了我們簽的是醫療暨教育研發園區的合作的一個意向書\n\n12\n00:04:18,863 --> 00:04:27,908\n附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功\n\n13\n00:04:44,116 --> 00:04:46,077\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功\n\n14\n00:05:04,591 --> 00:05:19,307\n為什麼?其實我們過去這個兩年一直對...校長我可能不想聽那個什麼我們已經很努力啊我們都在努力中啊我只是想知道為什麼好校長我想我們看到這個MOU啊跳票是事實嗎?\n\n15\n00:05:20,668 --> 00:05:22,649\n新華大學桃園附設醫院的這件事情看來我們自己沒辦法做,所以我們跟高一大合作\n\n16\n00:05:43,075 --> 00:05:50,763\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n\n17\n00:06:06,258 --> 00:06:27,426\n在歷次的會議當中跟桃園市政府說清楚那硬是要在7月底把這個土地撥用把它做完成我覺得站在桃園市民的立場來看就有一點點土地被詐騙了那當然我想我們還是要想出一些解套的辦法所以以上我想請教您高一大跟我們合作的這個案子現在還有機會嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:29,086 --> 00:06:51,882\n簡單回答我們現在正在協商我們希望會有一個很妥善...你有沒有把握高一檔還會再回頭?有沒有?這個是對方需要去...機會有多大?這個很難說,因為我不代表高一檔好,校長,如果我們今天都已經在這裡了這個MU又給你重簽了你都還很難說我告訴你啦,這一個恐怕是一個破局了您心裡也非常有數啦那當然\n\n19\n00:06:53,763 --> 00:07:18,390\n以這個陽明交通大學也一樣我想也是到目前為止因為校長您說這個您不了解這是前朝的今天我就真的不知道怎麼問您了不過我還是建議校長就是以後校務我覺得前後任校長交接我們還是必須交接清楚當然這個我是說你剛剛特別問說誰先開始的這個當然要知道那校長我想這樣子我想這個陽明交通大學目前也沒有具體的進展對嗎\n\n20\n00:07:19,790 --> 00:07:43,706\n我們這邊剛開始不是要設醫療園區是做一個智慧醫療的研發而你們的MSA簽的就是這個桃園市教育研發暨醫療園區意向書啊怎麼說不是做醫療園區呢?我們中間有幾次的一些修正我們總共教育部開了6次會議跟桃園市政府也開了8次會議因為整個的\n\n21\n00:07:44,386 --> 00:08:12,085\n目前有具體的計劃跟進度嗎?目前有目前有目前有喔?好不過呢我想他現在目前也是處於一個雙方還在這個溝通的當中嘛對嗎?主要是我們希望我們做的事情要符合桃園市政府的需要然後政府改介之後有一些不同的想法好校長我認為喔就是我們非常歡迎也期待喔這個MOU可以落實下來了喔那但是呢桃園市政府也有一些想法喔比如說因為這個\n\n22\n00:08:12,705 --> 00:08:16,028\n中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n\n23\n00:08:29,801 --> 00:08:45,926\n我想中央大學簽的MOU叫做桃園市八德智慧健康創新園區看起來也是要做相關的醫療、醫院等等不過本身了解中央大學並沒有醫學系、醫學院相關的系所所以當時來簽這個MOU到底為什麼校長認為有可行性?\n\n24\n00:08:53,889 --> 00:09:09,261\n我們覺得先做醫院再做醫學系是比較可行的策略先做醫院喔?所以你有做醫院的實力嗎?我們透過BOT跟其他的你現在要跟誰合作?因為現在還沒有成局沒有嘛對不對MOU過了沒有?\n\n25\n00:09:10,111 --> 00:09:39,403\nMOU我們本來進行到一半已經在招商可是新的政府有他新的看法他覺得要改改制成市立醫院這個事情對我不是這樣子喔校長這個講我覺得講事情要按照會議講清楚喔這個是呢我們在MOU的過程當中期限內其實你們沒有叫計劃在走那所以呢你們沒有辦法去完成本來MOU裡面大家約定的事項所以桃園市政府才幫你做一些調整以便我們可以繼續下去嘛那我想喔\n\n26\n00:09:40,443 --> 00:10:03,690\n這個調整是這樣的今天既然不管清華大學或者中央大學以及我們陽明交大要做的都是醫療相關的可是現在看起來自己根本沒有錢嘛要土地的時候大家非常積極要蓋的時候大家現在都沒有錢我想這個經費的來源我想本席看看有沒有說錯第一個我想校務基金第二個募款請問一下校長現在在這個備詢台上有沒有第三個經費來源我們就是用BOT\n\n27\n00:10:08,231 --> 00:10:08,672\n海洋大學\n\n28\n00:10:20,233 --> 00:10:40,145\n海洋大學看起來是跟桃園市政府這個BOT最有進展的一個學校但是呢我想請教一下校長海洋大學其實在這個進展之前我們的地無償撥用給你們那其實這是無償撥用嘛然後你在這當中你有沒有把這個土地租給別人獲利六千萬有沒有這個事只要告訴我有跟沒有有有好部長鄭部長\n\n29\n00:10:49,461 --> 00:10:55,870\n當時桃園市政府有來函請教你來告訴您海洋大學有這樣的狀況您怎麼回覆的?您怎麼回覆的?部長?部長如果不知道就告訴我不知道\n\n30\n00:11:04,978 --> 00:11:33,944\n對不起我這個訊息沒有掌握沒關係好當時您回覆的意思是說這是國立已經是國立大學校產了無不妥大概是這個意思但是部長我今天要告訴您也告訴海大校長其實今天即便是國產署有時候要撥這個土地無償給某機關使用絕對不可以盈利你怎麼可以在這個空就是你在進行計劃的中間的空窗期把這塊土地拿去盈利呢而且還可以獲益六千萬呢\n\n31\n00:11:34,804 --> 00:11:46,785\n部長這是可以的嗎?請許校長再補充說我跟委員檢調報告一下三階在施工晉升的這些砂石\n\n32\n00:11:47,591 --> 00:12:02,557\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬\n\n33\n00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:38,682\n我想那個校長啊就是如果你有收入有盈利這件事情那你用在哪裡我們那是另外再談但是這個行為是可不可以的我希望教育部會不會來給我們一個說明跟解釋清楚好不好那另外我想那個北科大的部分呢現在都照這個期程在進行不過還有很多需要跟我們這個波地機關桃園市政府還需要協議的地方我想今天在這裡本期重申一次國立大學要來到桃園市包括\n\n34\n00:12:59,193 --> 00:13:12,882\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國\n\n35\n00:13:24,309 --> 00:13:24,409\n議員主席\n\n36\n00:13:39,668 --> 00:13:40,168\n教育部教育部\n\n37\n00:14:07,662 --> 00:14:36,149\n如果今天這六個國立大學還是沒有辦法去執行我們的相關計畫那要收回這個土地我們按照要點做教育部的態度是什麼?謝謝委員關心這個大學的發展我非常同意也非常認可當縣市地方的發展大學的能量能夠協助城市的發展這應該是肯定的但是如果大學在整個評估上土地上他真的沒有辦法\n\n38\n00:14:37,049 --> 00:15:05,245\n這一個土地我是支持應該地方政府要收回因為這一個東西我們怎麼樣讓整個資源能夠更完整的一個來來這一個規劃配合城市發展我想這是我是好謝謝校長的支持啦最後我想這六個國立大學桃園市政府本席我們都非常願意協助你們那用什麼的方式把各位留在桃園讓我們桃園也可以來分享我們國立大學的專業跟光彩好不好\n\n39\n00:15:06,328 --> 00:15:06,549\n以上謝謝部長請回\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9171\t22586\t教育部政醫藥部長、清華大學高委員校長、陽明交大林齊鴻校長、中央大學周景陽校長、政治大學林以蔡燕校長、海洋大學許泰文校長、北科大王錫福校長\n29298\t29638\t教育部所屬機\n54203\t54724\t政務司司長\n69102\t85154\t那我先講我想以上真的各位校長大家辛苦了那今天從很多地方大家都要趕到這裡來但是一年一次今天也非常的重要那以上幾位校長因為今天有幾件事情要跟大家做一個釐清的了解那我想這個我們在108年109年的時候我們桃園市跟以上幾個學校簽了很多的MOU\n91138\t116588\t那當時我們桃園市的市民其實知道這個消息以後其實非常的欣喜非常的期盼不管是要來桃園設校要來桃園做教育園區要來桃園做醫療專區那桃園市民真的是歡欣鼓舞不過108年109年的時候很密集的跟以上各校簽了MOU我想請教一下先以清華大學來做代表那校長清華大學校長\n119963\t124847\t當時MOU是市府主動找你們的還是你們學校提計劃的?這個方案是市政府跟清華大學一同找你們的\n143388\t156300\t市長請問是市府找你們的還是你們提計畫的?市府先表達意願讓我們也覺得合理那陽明交通大學市府找你們的還是你們提計畫的?我想是兩邊大概誰先?\n157776\t179748\t因為是前任我不太曉得誰先你不太清楚其實我相信今天任何一個計畫一個位置接下來我們還是要了解之前的計畫好那我想一樣現在請教一下我們清華大學校長那既然是市府主動的當時我們接到這個邀請的時候我們有沒有評估我們的可行性有沒有評估自身的實力有沒有評估過自己的財力等一下各校長我想都是一樣的問題校長\n181529\t207108\t對,當然這個清華大學面對這個那麼大的……評估過可行性嗎?可行嗎?而且有在學校……校長,可行嗎?是可行的。可行的,好。那自己的實力在清華大學的部分的話,這個實力上面我們可以做到嗎?是的。可以做到,好。我們的財力可以應援嗎?財力那當然需要多方面的合作。好,來,那個中央大學?\n208922\t209142\t財力財力\n229744\t257942\t我想您應該也都非常支持我們這個國立大學到任何一個地方做這個校務的擴展或者是對當地有所貢獻我相信站在教育的大家長您一定是同意的嘛 對嘛好 那我們看到這個跟我們唐人市政府簽的MOU我們今天大家來看一下我們清華大學簽的MOU108年4月那當然後來過期了我們簽的是醫療暨教育研發園區的合作的一個意向書\n258863\t267908\t附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功\n284116\t286077\t二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功\n304591\t319307\t為什麼?其實我們過去這個兩年一直對...校長我可能不想聽那個什麼我們已經很努力啊我們都在努力中啊我只是想知道為什麼好 校長我想我們看到這個MOU啊跳票是事實嗎?\n320668\t322649\t新華大學桃園附設醫院的這件事情看來我們自己沒辦法做,所以我們跟高一大合作\n343075\t350763\t二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n366258\t387426\t在歷次的會議當中跟桃園市政府說清楚那硬是要在7月底把這個土地撥用把它做完成我覺得站在桃園市民的立場來看就有一點點土地被詐騙了那當然我想我們還是要想出一些解套的辦法所以以上我想請教您高一大跟我們合作的這個案子現在還有機會嗎?\n389086\t411882\t簡單回答我們現在正在協商我們希望會有一個很妥善...你有沒有把握高一檔還會再回頭?有沒有?這個是對方需要去...機會有多大?這個很難說,因為我不代表高一檔好,校長,如果我們今天都已經在這裡了這個MU又給你重簽了你都還很難說我告訴你啦,這一個恐怕是一個破局了您心裡也非常有數啦那當然\n413763\t438390\t以這個陽明交通大學也一樣我想也是到目前為止因為校長您說這個您不了解這是前朝的今天我就真的不知道怎麼問您了不過我還是建議校長就是以後校務我覺得前後任校長交接我們還是必須交接清楚當然這個我是說你剛剛特別問說誰先開始的這個當然要知道那校長我想這樣子我想這個陽明交通大學目前也沒有具體的進展對嗎\n439790\t463706\t我們這邊剛開始不是要設醫療園區是做一個智慧醫療的研發而你們的MSA簽的就是這個桃園市教育研發暨醫療園區意向書啊怎麼說不是做醫療園區呢?我們中間有幾次的一些修正我們總共教育部開了6次會議跟桃園市政府也開了8次會議因為整個的\n464386\t492085\t目前有具體的計劃跟進度嗎?目前有目前有目前有喔?好不過呢我想他現在目前也是處於一個雙方還在這個溝通的當中嘛對嗎?主要是我們希望我們做的事情要符合桃園市政府的需要然後政府改介之後有一些不同的想法好 校長我認為喔就是我們非常歡迎也期待喔這個MOU可以落實下來了喔那但是呢桃園市政府也有一些想法喔比如說因為這個\n492705\t496028\t中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n509801\t525926\t我想中央大學簽的MOU叫做桃園市八德智慧健康創新園區看起來也是要做相關的醫療、醫院等等不過本身了解中央大學並沒有醫學系、醫學院相關的系所所以當時來簽這個MOU到底為什麼校長認為有可行性?\n533889\t549261\t我們覺得先做醫院再做醫學系是比較可行的策略先做醫院喔?所以你有做醫院的實力嗎?我們透過BOT跟其他的你現在要跟誰合作?因為現在還沒有成局沒有嘛對不對MOU過了沒有?\n550111\t579403\tMOU我們本來進行到一半已經在招商可是新的政府有他新的看法他覺得要改改制成市立醫院這個事情對我不是這樣子喔校長這個講我覺得講事情要按照會議講清楚喔這個是呢我們在MOU的過程當中期限內其實你們沒有叫計劃在走那所以呢你們沒有辦法去完成本來MOU裡面大家約定的事項所以桃園市政府才幫你做一些調整以便我們可以繼續下去嘛那我想喔\n580443\t603690\t這個調整是這樣的今天既然不管清華大學或者中央大學以及我們陽明交大要做的都是醫療相關的可是現在看起來自己根本沒有錢嘛要土地的時候大家非常積極要蓋的時候大家現在都沒有錢我想這個經費的來源我想本席看看有沒有說錯第一個我想校務基金第二個募款請問一下校長現在在這個備詢台上有沒有第三個經費來源我們就是用BOT\n608231\t608672\t海洋大學\n620233\t640145\t海洋大學看起來是跟桃園市政府這個BOT最有進展的一個學校但是呢我想請教一下校長海洋大學其實在這個進展之前我們的地無償撥用給你們那其實這是無償撥用嘛然後你在這當中你有沒有把這個土地租給別人獲利六千萬有沒有這個事只要告訴我有跟沒有有有好部長鄭部長\n649461\t655870\t當時桃園市政府有來函請教你來告訴您海洋大學有這樣的狀況您怎麼回覆的?您怎麼回覆的?部長?部長如果不知道就告訴我不知道\n664978\t693944\t對不起我這個訊息沒有掌握沒關係好當時您回覆的意思是說這是國立已經是國立大學校產了無不妥大概是這個意思但是部長我今天要告訴您也告訴海大校長其實今天即便是國產署有時候要撥這個土地無償給某機關使用絕對不可以盈利你怎麼可以在這個空就是你在進行計劃的中間的空窗期把這塊土地拿去盈利呢而且還可以獲益六千萬呢\n694804\t706785\t部長這是可以的嗎?請許校長再補充說我跟委員檢調報告一下三階在施工晉升的這些砂石\n707591\t722557\t二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬\n729480\t758682\t我想那個校長啊就是如果你有收入有盈利這件事情那你用在哪裡我們那是另外再談但是這個行為是可不可以的我希望教育部會不會來給我們一個說明跟解釋清楚好不好那另外我想那個北科大的部分呢現在都照這個期程在進行不過還有很多需要跟我們這個波地機關桃園市政府還需要協議的地方我想今天在這裡本期重申一次國立大學要來到桃園市包括\n759002\t779053\t議員議員議員\n779193\t792882\t二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國\n804309\t804409\t議員主席\n819668\t820168\t教育部教育部\n847662\t876149\t如果今天這六個國立大學還是沒有辦法去執行我們的相關計畫那要收回這個土地我們按照要點做教育部的態度是什麼?謝謝委員關心這個大學的發展我非常同意也非常認可當縣市地方的發展大學的能量能夠協助城市的發展這應該是肯定的但是如果大學在整個評估上土地上他真的沒有辦法\n877049\t905245\t這一個土地我是支持應該地方政府要收回因為這一個東西我們怎麼樣讓整個資源能夠更完整的一個來來這一個規劃配合城市發展我想這是我是好謝謝校長的支持啦最後我想這六個國立大學桃園市政府本席我們都非常願意協助你們那用什麼的方式把各位留在桃園讓我們桃園也可以來分享我們國立大學的專業跟光彩好不好\n906328\t906549\t以上謝謝部長請回\n","txt":"教育部政醫藥部長、清華大學高委員校長、陽明交大林齊鴻校長、中央大學周景陽校長、政治大學林以蔡燕校長、海洋大學許泰文校長、北科大王錫福校長\n教育部所屬機\n政務司司長\n那我先講我想以上真的各位校長大家辛苦了那今天從很多地方大家都要趕到這裡來但是一年一次今天也非常的重要那以上幾位校長因為今天有幾件事情要跟大家做一個釐清的了解那我想這個我們在108年109年的時候我們桃園市跟以上幾個學校簽了很多的MOU\n那當時我們桃園市的市民其實知道這個消息以後其實非常的欣喜非常的期盼不管是要來桃園設校要來桃園做教育園區要來桃園做醫療專區那桃園市民真的是歡欣鼓舞不過108年109年的時候很密集的跟以上各校簽了MOU我想請教一下先以清華大學來做代表那校長清華大學校長\n當時MOU是市府主動找你們的還是你們學校提計劃的?這個方案是市政府跟清華大學一同找你們的\n市長請問是市府找你們的還是你們提計畫的?市府先表達意願讓我們也覺得合理那陽明交通大學市府找你們的還是你們提計畫的?我想是兩邊大概誰先?\n因為是前任我不太曉得誰先你不太清楚其實我相信今天任何一個計畫一個位置接下來我們還是要了解之前的計畫好那我想一樣現在請教一下我們清華大學校長那既然是市府主動的當時我們接到這個邀請的時候我們有沒有評估我們的可行性有沒有評估自身的實力有沒有評估過自己的財力等一下各校長我想都是一樣的問題校長\n對,當然這個清華大學面對這個那麼大的……評估過可行性嗎?可行嗎?而且有在學校……校長,可行嗎?是可行的。可行的,好。那自己的實力在清華大學的部分的話,這個實力上面我們可以做到嗎?是的。可以做到,好。我們的財力可以應援嗎?財力那當然需要多方面的合作。好,來,那個中央大學?\n財力財力\n我想您應該也都非常支持我們這個國立大學到任何一個地方做這個校務的擴展或者是對當地有所貢獻我相信站在教育的大家長您一定是同意的嘛 對嘛好 那我們看到這個跟我們唐人市政府簽的MOU我們今天大家來看一下我們清華大學簽的MOU108年4月那當然後來過期了我們簽的是醫療暨教育研發園區的合作的一個意向書\n附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功\n為什麼?其實我們過去這個兩年一直對...校長我可能不想聽那個什麼我們已經很努力啊我們都在努力中啊我只是想知道為什麼好 校長我想我們看到這個MOU啊跳票是事實嗎?\n新華大學桃園附設醫院的這件事情看來我們自己沒辦法做,所以我們跟高一大合作\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n在歷次的會議當中跟桃園市政府說清楚那硬是要在7月底把這個土地撥用把它做完成我覺得站在桃園市民的立場來看就有一點點土地被詐騙了那當然我想我們還是要想出一些解套的辦法所以以上我想請教您高一大跟我們合作的這個案子現在還有機會嗎?\n簡單回答我們現在正在協商我們希望會有一個很妥善...你有沒有把握高一檔還會再回頭?有沒有?這個是對方需要去...機會有多大?這個很難說,因為我不代表高一檔好,校長,如果我們今天都已經在這裡了這個MU又給你重簽了你都還很難說我告訴你啦,這一個恐怕是一個破局了您心裡也非常有數啦那當然\n以這個陽明交通大學也一樣我想也是到目前為止因為校長您說這個您不了解這是前朝的今天我就真的不知道怎麼問您了不過我還是建議校長就是以後校務我覺得前後任校長交接我們還是必須交接清楚當然這個我是說你剛剛特別問說誰先開始的這個當然要知道那校長我想這樣子我想這個陽明交通大學目前也沒有具體的進展對嗎\n我們這邊剛開始不是要設醫療園區是做一個智慧醫療的研發而你們的MSA簽的就是這個桃園市教育研發暨醫療園區意向書啊怎麼說不是做醫療園區呢?我們中間有幾次的一些修正我們總共教育部開了6次會議跟桃園市政府也開了8次會議因為整個的\n目前有具體的計劃跟進度嗎?目前有目前有目前有喔?好不過呢我想他現在目前也是處於一個雙方還在這個溝通的當中嘛對嗎?主要是我們希望我們做的事情要符合桃園市政府的需要然後政府改介之後有一些不同的想法好 校長我認為喔就是我們非常歡迎也期待喔這個MOU可以落實下來了喔那但是呢桃園市政府也有一些想法喔比如說因為這個\n中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n我想中央大學簽的MOU叫做桃園市八德智慧健康創新園區看起來也是要做相關的醫療、醫院等等不過本身了解中央大學並沒有醫學系、醫學院相關的系所所以當時來簽這個MOU到底為什麼校長認為有可行性?\n我們覺得先做醫院再做醫學系是比較可行的策略先做醫院喔?所以你有做醫院的實力嗎?我們透過BOT跟其他的你現在要跟誰合作?因為現在還沒有成局沒有嘛對不對MOU過了沒有?\nMOU我們本來進行到一半已經在招商可是新的政府有他新的看法他覺得要改改制成市立醫院這個事情對我不是這樣子喔校長這個講我覺得講事情要按照會議講清楚喔這個是呢我們在MOU的過程當中期限內其實你們沒有叫計劃在走那所以呢你們沒有辦法去完成本來MOU裡面大家約定的事項所以桃園市政府才幫你做一些調整以便我們可以繼續下去嘛那我想喔\n這個調整是這樣的今天既然不管清華大學或者中央大學以及我們陽明交大要做的都是醫療相關的可是現在看起來自己根本沒有錢嘛要土地的時候大家非常積極要蓋的時候大家現在都沒有錢我想這個經費的來源我想本席看看有沒有說錯第一個我想校務基金第二個募款請問一下校長現在在這個備詢台上有沒有第三個經費來源我們就是用BOT\n海洋大學\n海洋大學看起來是跟桃園市政府這個BOT最有進展的一個學校但是呢我想請教一下校長海洋大學其實在這個進展之前我們的地無償撥用給你們那其實這是無償撥用嘛然後你在這當中你有沒有把這個土地租給別人獲利六千萬有沒有這個事只要告訴我有跟沒有有有好部長鄭部長\n當時桃園市政府有來函請教你來告訴您海洋大學有這樣的狀況您怎麼回覆的?您怎麼回覆的?部長?部長如果不知道就告訴我不知道\n對不起我這個訊息沒有掌握沒關係好當時您回覆的意思是說這是國立已經是國立大學校產了無不妥大概是這個意思但是部長我今天要告訴您也告訴海大校長其實今天即便是國產署有時候要撥這個土地無償給某機關使用絕對不可以盈利你怎麼可以在這個空就是你在進行計劃的中間的空窗期把這塊土地拿去盈利呢而且還可以獲益六千萬呢\n部長這是可以的嗎?請許校長再補充說我跟委員檢調報告一下三階在施工晉升的這些砂石\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬\n我想那個校長啊就是如果你有收入有盈利這件事情那你用在哪裡我們那是另外再談但是這個行為是可不可以的我希望教育部會不會來給我們一個說明跟解釋清楚好不好那另外我想那個北科大的部分呢現在都照這個期程在進行不過還有很多需要跟我們這個波地機關桃園市政府還需要協議的地方我想今天在這裡本期重申一次國立大學要來到桃園市包括\n議員議員議員\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國\n議員主席\n教育部教育部\n如果今天這六個國立大學還是沒有辦法去執行我們的相關計畫那要收回這個土地我們按照要點做教育部的態度是什麼?謝謝委員關心這個大學的發展我非常同意也非常認可當縣市地方的發展大學的能量能夠協助城市的發展這應該是肯定的但是如果大學在整個評估上土地上他真的沒有辦法\n這一個土地我是支持應該地方政府要收回因為這一個東西我們怎麼樣讓整個資源能夠更完整的一個來來這一個規劃配合城市發展我想這是我是好謝謝校長的支持啦最後我想這六個國立大學桃園市政府本席我們都非常願意協助你們那用什麼的方式把各位留在桃園讓我們桃園也可以來分享我們國立大學的專業跟光彩好不好\n以上謝謝部長請回\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.171 --> 00:22.586\n教育部政醫藥部長、清華大學高委員校長、陽明交大林齊鴻校長、中央大學周景陽校長、政治大學林以蔡燕校長、海洋大學許泰文校長、北科大王錫福校長\n\n00:29.298 --> 00:29.638\n教育部所屬機\n\n00:54.203 --> 00:54.724\n政務司司長\n\n01:09.102 --> 01:25.154\n那我先講我想以上真的各位校長大家辛苦了那今天從很多地方大家都要趕到這裡來但是一年一次今天也非常的重要那以上幾位校長因為今天有幾件事情要跟大家做一個釐清的了解那我想這個我們在108年109年的時候我們桃園市跟以上幾個學校簽了很多的MOU\n\n01:31.138 --> 01:56.588\n那當時我們桃園市的市民其實知道這個消息以後其實非常的欣喜非常的期盼不管是要來桃園設校要來桃園做教育園區要來桃園做醫療專區那桃園市民真的是歡欣鼓舞不過108年109年的時候很密集的跟以上各校簽了MOU我想請教一下先以清華大學來做代表那校長清華大學校長\n\n01:59.963 --> 02:04.847\n當時MOU是市府主動找你們的還是你們學校提計劃的?這個方案是市政府跟清華大學一同找你們的\n\n02:23.388 --> 02:36.300\n市長請問是市府找你們的還是你們提計畫的?市府先表達意願讓我們也覺得合理那陽明交通大學市府找你們的還是你們提計畫的?我想是兩邊大概誰先?\n\n02:37.776 --> 02:59.748\n因為是前任我不太曉得誰先你不太清楚其實我相信今天任何一個計畫一個位置接下來我們還是要了解之前的計畫好那我想一樣現在請教一下我們清華大學校長那既然是市府主動的當時我們接到這個邀請的時候我們有沒有評估我們的可行性有沒有評估自身的實力有沒有評估過自己的財力等一下各校長我想都是一樣的問題校長\n\n03:01.529 --> 03:27.108\n對,當然這個清華大學面對這個那麼大的……評估過可行性嗎?可行嗎?而且有在學校……校長,可行嗎?是可行的。可行的,好。那自己的實力在清華大學的部分的話,這個實力上面我們可以做到嗎?是的。可以做到,好。我們的財力可以應援嗎?財力那當然需要多方面的合作。好,來,那個中央大學?\n\n03:28.922 --> 03:29.142\n財力財力\n\n03:49.744 --> 04:17.942\n我想您應該也都非常支持我們這個國立大學到任何一個地方做這個校務的擴展或者是對當地有所貢獻我相信站在教育的大家長您一定是同意的嘛對嘛好那我們看到這個跟我們唐人市政府簽的MOU我們今天大家來看一下我們清華大學簽的MOU108年4月那當然後來過期了我們簽的是醫療暨教育研發園區的合作的一個意向書\n\n04:18.863 --> 04:27.908\n附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功\n\n04:44.116 --> 04:46.077\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功\n\n05:04.591 --> 05:19.307\n為什麼?其實我們過去這個兩年一直對...校長我可能不想聽那個什麼我們已經很努力啊我們都在努力中啊我只是想知道為什麼好校長我想我們看到這個MOU啊跳票是事實嗎?\n\n05:20.668 --> 05:22.649\n新華大學桃園附設醫院的這件事情看來我們自己沒辦法做,所以我們跟高一大合作\n\n05:43.075 --> 05:50.763\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n\n06:06.258 --> 06:27.426\n在歷次的會議當中跟桃園市政府說清楚那硬是要在7月底把這個土地撥用把它做完成我覺得站在桃園市民的立場來看就有一點點土地被詐騙了那當然我想我們還是要想出一些解套的辦法所以以上我想請教您高一大跟我們合作的這個案子現在還有機會嗎?\n\n06:29.086 --> 06:51.882\n簡單回答我們現在正在協商我們希望會有一個很妥善...你有沒有把握高一檔還會再回頭?有沒有?這個是對方需要去...機會有多大?這個很難說,因為我不代表高一檔好,校長,如果我們今天都已經在這裡了這個MU又給你重簽了你都還很難說我告訴你啦,這一個恐怕是一個破局了您心裡也非常有數啦那當然\n\n06:53.763 --> 07:18.390\n以這個陽明交通大學也一樣我想也是到目前為止因為校長您說這個您不了解這是前朝的今天我就真的不知道怎麼問您了不過我還是建議校長就是以後校務我覺得前後任校長交接我們還是必須交接清楚當然這個我是說你剛剛特別問說誰先開始的這個當然要知道那校長我想這樣子我想這個陽明交通大學目前也沒有具體的進展對嗎\n\n07:19.790 --> 07:43.706\n我們這邊剛開始不是要設醫療園區是做一個智慧醫療的研發而你們的MSA簽的就是這個桃園市教育研發暨醫療園區意向書啊怎麼說不是做醫療園區呢?我們中間有幾次的一些修正我們總共教育部開了6次會議跟桃園市政府也開了8次會議因為整個的\n\n07:44.386 --> 08:12.085\n目前有具體的計劃跟進度嗎?目前有目前有目前有喔?好不過呢我想他現在目前也是處於一個雙方還在這個溝通的當中嘛對嗎?主要是我們希望我們做的事情要符合桃園市政府的需要然後政府改介之後有一些不同的想法好校長我認為喔就是我們非常歡迎也期待喔這個MOU可以落實下來了喔那但是呢桃園市政府也有一些想法喔比如說因為這個\n\n08:12.705 --> 08:16.028\n中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n\n08:29.801 --> 08:45.926\n我想中央大學簽的MOU叫做桃園市八德智慧健康創新園區看起來也是要做相關的醫療、醫院等等不過本身了解中央大學並沒有醫學系、醫學院相關的系所所以當時來簽這個MOU到底為什麼校長認為有可行性?\n\n08:53.889 --> 09:09.261\n我們覺得先做醫院再做醫學系是比較可行的策略先做醫院喔?所以你有做醫院的實力嗎?我們透過BOT跟其他的你現在要跟誰合作?因為現在還沒有成局沒有嘛對不對MOU過了沒有?\n\n09:10.111 --> 09:39.403\nMOU我們本來進行到一半已經在招商可是新的政府有他新的看法他覺得要改改制成市立醫院這個事情對我不是這樣子喔校長這個講我覺得講事情要按照會議講清楚喔這個是呢我們在MOU的過程當中期限內其實你們沒有叫計劃在走那所以呢你們沒有辦法去完成本來MOU裡面大家約定的事項所以桃園市政府才幫你做一些調整以便我們可以繼續下去嘛那我想喔\n\n09:40.443 --> 10:03.690\n這個調整是這樣的今天既然不管清華大學或者中央大學以及我們陽明交大要做的都是醫療相關的可是現在看起來自己根本沒有錢嘛要土地的時候大家非常積極要蓋的時候大家現在都沒有錢我想這個經費的來源我想本席看看有沒有說錯第一個我想校務基金第二個募款請問一下校長現在在這個備詢台上有沒有第三個經費來源我們就是用BOT\n\n10:08.231 --> 10:08.672\n海洋大學\n\n10:20.233 --> 10:40.145\n海洋大學看起來是跟桃園市政府這個BOT最有進展的一個學校但是呢我想請教一下校長海洋大學其實在這個進展之前我們的地無償撥用給你們那其實這是無償撥用嘛然後你在這當中你有沒有把這個土地租給別人獲利六千萬有沒有這個事只要告訴我有跟沒有有有好部長鄭部長\n\n10:49.461 --> 10:55.870\n當時桃園市政府有來函請教你來告訴您海洋大學有這樣的狀況您怎麼回覆的?您怎麼回覆的?部長?部長如果不知道就告訴我不知道\n\n11:04.978 --> 11:33.944\n對不起我這個訊息沒有掌握沒關係好當時您回覆的意思是說這是國立已經是國立大學校產了無不妥大概是這個意思但是部長我今天要告訴您也告訴海大校長其實今天即便是國產署有時候要撥這個土地無償給某機關使用絕對不可以盈利你怎麼可以在這個空就是你在進行計劃的中間的空窗期把這塊土地拿去盈利呢而且還可以獲益六千萬呢\n\n11:34.804 --> 11:46.785\n部長這是可以的嗎?請許校長再補充說我跟委員檢調報告一下三階在施工晉升的這些砂石\n\n11:47.591 --> 12:02.557\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬\n\n12:09.480 --> 12:38.682\n我想那個校長啊就是如果你有收入有盈利這件事情那你用在哪裡我們那是另外再談但是這個行為是可不可以的我希望教育部會不會來給我們一個說明跟解釋清楚好不好那另外我想那個北科大的部分呢現在都照這個期程在進行不過還有很多需要跟我們這個波地機關桃園市政府還需要協議的地方我想今天在這裡本期重申一次國立大學要來到桃園市包括\n\n12:59.193 --> 13:12.882\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國\n\n13:24.309 --> 13:24.409\n議員主席\n\n13:39.668 --> 13:40.168\n教育部教育部\n\n14:07.662 --> 14:36.149\n如果今天這六個國立大學還是沒有辦法去執行我們的相關計畫那要收回這個土地我們按照要點做教育部的態度是什麼?謝謝委員關心這個大學的發展我非常同意也非常認可當縣市地方的發展大學的能量能夠協助城市的發展這應該是肯定的但是如果大學在整個評估上土地上他真的沒有辦法\n\n14:37.049 --> 15:05.245\n這一個土地我是支持應該地方政府要收回因為這一個東西我們怎麼樣讓整個資源能夠更完整的一個來來這一個規劃配合城市發展我想這是我是好謝謝校長的支持啦最後我想這六個國立大學桃園市政府本席我們都非常願意協助你們那用什麼的方式把各位留在桃園讓我們桃園也可以來分享我們國立大學的專業跟光彩好不好\n\n15:06.328 --> 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校長我認為喔就是我們非常歡迎也期待喔這個MOU可以落實下來了喔那但是呢桃園市政府也有一些想法喔比如說因為這個"},{"start":492.705,"end":496.028,"text":"中央政府總預算案有關教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":509.801,"end":525.926,"text":"我想中央大學簽的MOU叫做桃園市八德智慧健康創新園區看起來也是要做相關的醫療、醫院等等不過本身了解中央大學並沒有醫學系、醫學院相關的系所所以當時來簽這個MOU到底為什麼校長認為有可行性?"},{"start":533.889,"end":549.261,"text":"我們覺得先做醫院再做醫學系是比較可行的策略先做醫院喔?所以你有做醫院的實力嗎?我們透過BOT跟其他的你現在要跟誰合作?因為現在還沒有成局沒有嘛對不對MOU過了沒有?"},{"start":550.111,"end":579.403,"text":"MOU我們本來進行到一半已經在招商可是新的政府有他新的看法他覺得要改改制成市立醫院這個事情對我不是這樣子喔校長這個講我覺得講事情要按照會議講清楚喔這個是呢我們在MOU的過程當中期限內其實你們沒有叫計劃在走那所以呢你們沒有辦法去完成本來MOU裡面大家約定的事項所以桃園市政府才幫你做一些調整以便我們可以繼續下去嘛那我想喔"},{"start":580.443,"end":603.69,"text":"這個調整是這樣的今天既然不管清華大學或者中央大學以及我們陽明交大要做的都是醫療相關的可是現在看起來自己根本沒有錢嘛要土地的時候大家非常積極要蓋的時候大家現在都沒有錢我想這個經費的來源我想本席看看有沒有說錯第一個我想校務基金第二個募款請問一下校長現在在這個備詢台上有沒有第三個經費來源我們就是用BOT"},{"start":608.231,"end":608.672,"text":"海洋大學"},{"start":620.233,"end":640.145,"text":"海洋大學看起來是跟桃園市政府這個BOT最有進展的一個學校但是呢我想請教一下校長海洋大學其實在這個進展之前我們的地無償撥用給你們那其實這是無償撥用嘛然後你在這當中你有沒有把這個土地租給別人獲利六千萬有沒有這個事只要告訴我有跟沒有有有好部長鄭部長"},{"start":649.461,"end":655.87,"text":"當時桃園市政府有來函請教你來告訴您海洋大學有這樣的狀況您怎麼回覆的?您怎麼回覆的?部長?部長如果不知道就告訴我不知道"},{"start":664.978,"end":693.944,"text":"對不起我這個訊息沒有掌握沒關係好當時您回覆的意思是說這是國立已經是國立大學校產了無不妥大概是這個意思但是部長我今天要告訴您也告訴海大校長其實今天即便是國產署有時候要撥這個土地無償給某機關使用絕對不可以盈利你怎麼可以在這個空就是你在進行計劃的中間的空窗期把這塊土地拿去盈利呢而且還可以獲益六千萬呢"},{"start":694.804,"end":706.785,"text":"部長這是可以的嗎?請許校長再補充說我跟委員檢調報告一下三階在施工晉升的這些砂石"},{"start":707.591,"end":722.557,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬"},{"start":729.48,"end":758.682,"text":"我想那個校長啊就是如果你有收入有盈利這件事情那你用在哪裡我們那是另外再談但是這個行為是可不可以的我希望教育部會不會來給我們一個說明跟解釋清楚好不好那另外我想那個北科大的部分呢現在都照這個期程在進行不過還有很多需要跟我們這個波地機關桃園市政府還需要協議的地方我想今天在這裡本期重申一次國立大學要來到桃園市包括"},{"start":759.002,"end":779.053,"text":"議員議員議員"},{"start":779.193,"end":792.882,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國"},{"start":804.309,"end":804.409,"text":"議員主席"},{"start":819.668,"end":820.168,"text":"教育部教育部"},{"start":847.662,"end":876.149,"text":"如果今天這六個國立大學還是沒有辦法去執行我們的相關計畫那要收回這個土地我們按照要點做教育部的態度是什麼?謝謝委員關心這個大學的發展我非常同意也非常認可當縣市地方的發展大學的能量能夠協助城市的發展這應該是肯定的但是如果大學在整個評估上土地上他真的沒有辦法"},{"start":877.049,"end":905.245,"text":"這一個土地我是支持應該地方政府要收回因為這一個東西我們怎麼樣讓整個資源能夠更完整的一個來來這一個規劃配合城市發展我想這是我是好謝謝校長的支持啦最後我想這六個國立大學桃園市政府本席我們都非常願意協助你們那用什麼的方式把各位留在桃園讓我們桃園也可以來分享我們國立大學的專業跟光彩好不好"},{"start":906.328,"end":906.549,"text":"以上謝謝部長請回"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":241,"blocks":[["萬委員美玲：（9時56分）謝謝主席，我們有請教育部鄭英耀部長、清華大學高為元校長、陽明交大林奇宏校長、中央大學周景揚校長、政治大學李蔡彥校長、海洋大學許泰文校長以及北科大王錫福校長，以上。"],["主席：好，有請鄭部長跟這幾位校長。"],["萬委員美玲：能不能按照我剛才的順序來排列好不好？第一位我們就先請清大，然後陽明交大、中大、海大、北科大、政大，我們按照順序由右到左好不好？這樣我比較能夠知道是哪一位校長，不好意思，我們從右到左。"],["主席：好，校長們辛苦了，鄭部長先嘛！對不對？"],["萬委員美玲：對，鄭部長先。"],["鄭部長英耀：委員好。"],["萬委員美玲：好，謝謝。部長好，其實今天等一下有一些部分是要您來做瞭解跟定奪，我先講真的各位校長大家辛苦了，今天從很多地方趕到這裡來，但是一年一次，今天也非常重要，以上幾位校長，有幾件事情要跟大家做一個釐清跟瞭解。我們在108年、109年的時候，桃園市跟以上幾個學校簽了很多的MOU，當時桃園市的市民知道這個消息以後，其實非常地欣喜、非常地期盼，不管是要來桃園設校、要來桃園做教育園區、要來桃園做醫療專區，桃園市民真的是歡欣鼓舞，而且108年、109年的時候很密集地跟以上各校簽了MOU。我想請教一下，先以清華大學做代表，請清華大學校長。因為今天時間有限，各位可能要快速一點，謝謝。校長，我請教一下，當時這個MOU是市府主動找你們的，還是你們學校提計畫的？"],["高校長為元：當時這個方案……首先，主席跟委員……"],["萬委員美玲：直接回答就好。"],["高校長為元：這個方案是市政府跟清華大學一同……"],["萬委員美玲：好，市府找你們的嘛。請中央大學，校長，請問是市府找你們的，還是你們提計畫的？"],["周校長景揚：市府先表達意願，我們也覺得很合理。"],["萬委員美玲：好，請問陽明交大，是市府找你們的，還是你們提計畫的？"],["林校長奇宏：我想是兩邊大概……"],["萬委員美玲：誰先？"],["林校長奇宏：因為是前任，我不太曉得誰先。"],["萬委員美玲：你不太清楚？"],["林校長奇宏：對。"],["萬委員美玲：我相信今天對於任何一個計畫，一個位子接下來，我們還是要瞭解之前的計畫。我一樣先請教一下清華大學校長，既然是市府主動的，當時你們接到這個邀請的時候，有沒有評估可行性？有沒有評估自身的實力？有沒有評估過自己的財力？等一下針對各校長都是一樣的問題。校長。"],["高校長為元：當然，清華大學面對那麼大……"],["萬委員美玲：評估過可行性嗎？可行嗎？"],["高校長為元：是有評估過，而且有在學校……"],["萬委員美玲：校長，可行嗎？"],["高校長為元：是可行的。"],["萬委員美玲：可行的，好。自己的實力在清華大學的部分，實力上面你們可以做到嗎？"],["高校長為元：是的。"],["萬委員美玲：可以做到，好。你們的財力可以應援嗎？"],["高校長為元：財力當然需要多方面的合作。"],["萬委員美玲：請問中央大學，當時有評估可行性，可以嗎？"],["周校長景揚：yah，尤其財力方面……"],["萬委員美玲：可做嗎？可行性可以做嗎？"],["周校長景揚：我們評估用BOT的話就可行。"],["萬委員美玲：校長，我是說這個可行性，你認為可以嘛，對嗎？"],["周校長景揚：可以。"],["萬委員美玲：好，以你們自己的實力也覺得做得到，對嗎？"],["周校長景揚：做得到。"],["萬委員美玲：好，那你們的財力呢？"],["周校長景揚：財力剛剛講過，我們用BOT也做得到。"],["萬委員美玲：好。部長，我想您應該也都非常支持國立大學到任何一個地方做校務的擴展或者對當地有所貢獻，我相信站在教育的大家長立場，您一定是同意的，對嘛？"],["鄭部長英耀：是。"],["萬委員美玲：好，我們看到簡報上是跟我們桃園市政府簽的MOU，大家來看一下清華大學在108年4月簽的MOU，當然，後來過期了，你們簽的是醫療暨教育研發園區合作意向書；陽明交大簽的是桃園市教育研發暨醫療園區合作意向書，我們看到中央大學簽的是八德智慧健康創新園區合作意向書，以上3個學校都在做醫療的部分。","第一個來講清華大學，校長可能稍微聽一下。當初以上幾個學校既然都說有可行性，這個MOU可以來做，還說實力可以達到，財力也沒有問題，我請教一下，何以一個MOU從108年簽到現在113年了，中間還過期重簽，卻沒有辦法履行這個MOU的內容？我想一樣請清華大學校長簡單回復一下，為什麼？"],["高校長為元：其實我們過去這兩年一直對……"],["萬委員美玲：校長，我可能不想聽那個什麼「我們已經很努力」、「我們都在努力中」……"],["高校長為元：沒有、沒有……"],["萬委員美玲：我只是想知道為什麼。校長，我們看到這個MOU跳票是事實，超過期限以後，你也沒辦法提出一個計畫。好了，之前有在講說因為你們自己沒有辦法獨立來做相關的醫院或醫療院所，所謂的清華大學桃園附設醫院這件事情看來你們自己沒辦法做，所以你們跟高醫大合作，當時連財政部都說這是號稱有史以來最大的一個BOT案，洋洋灑灑，熱熱鬧鬧，最後賺了個寂寞，什麼都沒有，現在是一場空啊！更讓本席不解的是，按照高醫大的說法，明明7月初就已經知道這個合作已經破局了，高醫大已經不願意跟你們合作，而你卻沒有在歷次的會議當中跟桃園市政府說清楚，硬是要在7月底把這個土地撥用完成，我覺得站在桃園市民的立場來看，這有一點點土地被詐騙了。當然，我們還是要想出一些解套的辦法，所以我想請教您，高醫大跟你們合作的這個案子現在還有機會嗎？簡單回答。"],["高校長為元：我們現在正在協商，我們希望會有一個很妥善的……"],["萬委員美玲：你有沒有把握高醫大還會再回頭？有沒有？"],["高校長為元：這個是對方需要去做一些……"],["萬委員美玲：機會有多大？"],["高校長為元：這個很難說，因為我不代表高醫大。"],["萬委員美玲：校長，如果我們今天都已經在這裡，這個MOU又給你重簽了，你都還很難說，我告訴你，這個恐怕是破局了，您心裡也非常有數。當然，陽明交大也一樣，我想也是到目前為止……校長您說您不瞭解，因為這是前朝的，今天我就真的不知道怎麼問您了，不過我還是建議校長，我覺得前後任校長交接，還是必須把校務交接清楚。"],["林校長奇宏：當然，我是說你剛剛特別問說誰先開始的，這個實在是……"],["萬委員美玲：這當然要知道啊！校長，我想這樣子，我想陽明交大目前也沒有具體的進展，對嗎？"],["林校長奇宏：我們這邊剛開始不是要設醫療園區，是做一個智慧醫療的研發，因為我們很多的……"],["萬委員美玲：但是你們的MOU簽的就是桃園市教育研發暨醫療園區意向書，怎麼說不是做醫療園區呢？"],["林校長奇宏：中間有幾次的一些修正，我們總共跟教育部開了6次會議，跟桃園市政府也開了8次會議，因為整個的變化也非常快……"],["萬委員美玲：目前有具體的計畫跟進度嗎？"],["林校長奇宏：目前有。"],["萬委員美玲：目前有？"],["林校長奇宏：對。"],["萬委員美玲：好，不過我想現在目前也是處於一個雙方還在溝通當中，對嗎？"],["林校長奇宏：主要是我們希望我們做的事情要符合桃園市政府的需要，然後政府改屆之後，有一些不同的想法，以上。"],["萬委員美玲：好，校長，我們非常歡迎、也期待這個MOU可以落實下來，但是桃園市政府也有一些想法，比如陽明交大其實是非常優秀的國立大學，如果能夠來桃園進行MOU裡面的內容之外，假設還可以做一些實驗教育等等，我希望校長可以納入考量。","我們來看中央大學。校長，中央大學簽的MOU叫做桃園市八德智慧健康創新園區，看起來也是要做相關的醫療、醫院等等，不過本席瞭解中央大學並沒有醫學系、醫學院相關的系所，所以當時來簽這個MOU，到底為什麼校長認為有可行性？"],["周校長景揚：我們覺得先做醫院、再做醫學系是比較可行的策略。"],["萬委員美玲：先做醫院喔？所以你有做醫院的實力嗎？"],["周校長景揚：我們透過BOT跟其他的……"],["萬委員美玲：你現在要跟誰合作？"],["周校長景揚：因為現在還沒有成局，我們……"],["萬委員美玲：沒有嘛，對不對？"],["周校長景揚：嗯。"],["萬委員美玲：MOU過了沒有？"],["周校長景揚：MOU我們本來進行到一半，已經在招商，可是新的政府有它新的看法，它覺得要改制成市立醫院，這個事情對我們學校……"],["萬委員美玲：不是這樣子，校長，我覺得講事情要按照會議講清楚，這個是我們在MOU的過程當中、期限內，其實你們沒有照計畫在走，你們沒有辦法去完成本來MOU裡面大家約定的事項，所以桃園市政府才幫你們做一些調整，以便我們可以繼續下去，我想這個調整是這樣的。","今天既然不管清華大學、中央大學以及陽明交大要做的都是醫療相關的，可是現在看起來你們自己根本沒有錢，要土地的時候，大家非常積極；要蓋的時候，大家現在都沒有錢。關於經費的來源，大家看看本席有沒有說錯：第一個，校務基金；第二個，募款。請問一下，校長現在在備詢臺上，有沒有第三個經費來源？"],["周校長景揚：我們就是用BOT。"],["萬委員美玲：用BOT要找對象嘛。"],["周校長景揚：對。"],["萬委員美玲：當然，用BOT，你要有對象，是不是？"],["周校長景揚：因為要有其他配合的，成局了，才能找。"],["萬委員美玲：我想再請教一下海洋大學，海洋大學看起來是跟桃園市政府的BOT最有進展的學校，但是我想請教一下校長，海洋大學其實在這個進展之前，我們的地無償撥用給你們，其實這是無償撥用，然後你在這當中有沒有把這個土地租給別人，獲利6,000萬，有沒有這個事？"],["許校長泰文：跟委員報告……"],["萬委員美玲：只要告訴我有或沒有。"],["許校長泰文：有。"],["萬委員美玲：有，好！鄭部長，當時桃園市政府有去函請教您、告訴您海洋大學有這樣的狀況，您怎麼回復的？您怎麼回復的？部長如果不知道，您就告訴我不知道。"],["鄭部長英耀：對不起，我這個訊息沒有掌握。"],["萬委員美玲：沒關係，當時您回復的意思是說這個已經是國立大學的校產了，無不妥，大概是這個意思。但是部長，我今天要告訴您，也告訴海大的校長，其實今天即便是國產署有時候要把土地無償撥給某機關使用，絕對不可以營利啊！怎麼可以在進行計畫的中間空窗期，把這塊土地拿去營利，而且還可以獲利6,000萬呢？部長，這是可以的嗎？"],["鄭部長英耀：是不是請許校長再補充？"],["許校長泰文：跟委員簡要報告一下，三接施工產生的這些砂石沒有辦法……因為交通的關係，所以海大是幫它這個忙，並沒有盈利，我們沒有盈利的行為，事實上我們是幫……"],["萬委員美玲：沒有盈利的行為，有沒有6,000萬的收入？"],["許校長泰文：有6,000萬收入，我們有跟市長經過三次會議，還是用在投資桃園藻礁館的興建。"],["萬委員美玲：校長，如果你有收入、盈利這件事情，你用在哪裡是另外再談，但是這個行為是可不可以的，我希望教育部會後給我們一個說明跟解釋清楚，好不好？","另外，北科大的部分現在都照期程在進行，不過還有很多是要跟撥地機關桃園市政府需要協議的地方，今天在這裡本席重申一次，國立大學要來到桃園市，包括今天政大也在這裡，政大的部分還沒有談到土地的撥用，但是我們也很歡迎政大能夠來桃園開班、設校，我想桃園市政府會給予全力的支持，這也是我們全桃園市市民的期待。不過我們希望簽了MOU要照MOU來走，否則會衍生很多不必要的雙方困擾。最後請教，如果MOU重新再簽的或者現在再協議中的，到後來還是沒有辦法執行的話，按照法令要點，桃園市政府是可以收回這個土地的，一樣先請教清華大學，今天這個土地要收回，你會不會有意見？"],["高校長為元：現在的時間表本來是明年底我們開始動工，之前……"],["萬委員美玲：校長，我只是在問你如果做不成的話，這個土地收回，你有沒有意見？"],["高校長為元：桃園市政府也要求我們可以把這個土地作為明年燈會暫時的停車場……"],["萬委員美玲：對不起，校長可能不太瞭解我的問題。最後的時間，部長，我簡單問你一下就好，今天我有最後兩個要求，第一個要求是以上六個學校，這個計畫要怎麼做、怎麼進行，改變後最真實的計畫是什麼，請校長於一個月內提交教育及文化委員會，本席今天也提了臨時動議。第二個，如果這六個國立大學還是沒有辦法執行相關計畫，按照要點要收回土地，教育部的態度是什麼？"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員關心大學的發展，我非常同意也非常認可當縣市地方的發展，大學的能量能夠協助城市的發展，這應該是肯定的，但是如果大學在整個評估上、土地上真的沒有辦法執行，這個土地我是支持地方政府應該要收回，因為我們怎麼樣讓整個資源能夠更完整規劃配合城市發展，我是支持的。"],["萬委員美玲：謝謝部長的支持，這六個國立大學，桃園市政府及本席都非常願意協助你們，用什麼方式把各位留在桃園，讓桃園也可以分享國立大學的專業跟光彩，好不好？以上，謝謝。"],["主席：部長請回，還有校長們請回，謝謝萬美玲委員的質詢。","再來我們請陳培瑜委員質詢，校長們辛苦了！"]],"agenda":{"page_end":422,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-8","speakers":["范雲","洪孟楷","葛如鈞","萬美玲","陳培瑜","林倩綺","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","林宜瑾","張雅琳","吳沛憶","黃健豪","吳思瑤","林德福","王育敏","陳昭姿","涂權吉","楊瓊瓔","吳春城","羅智強","林月琴","羅廷瑋","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","葉元之","陳俊宇","翁曉玲","柯志恩","邱志偉","何欣純"],"page_start":339,"meetingDate":["2024-11-14"],"gazette_id":"1139901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139901_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部及所屬單位預算案；二、審查114年度教育部主管\n47 所國立大學校院校務基金、國立臺灣大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基\n金、國立陽明交通大學附設醫院作業基金、教育部所屬機構作業基金、國立高級中等學校校務基\n金、學產基金、運動發展基金、私立高級中等以上學校退場基金；三、審查114年度行政法人國\n家運動訓練中心預算案；四、審查114年度行政法人國家運動科學中心預算案（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"1139901_00006"}}}