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00:03:48,576\n對於美國的左傾他們其實是那個態度蠻一致的第三個是對非法移民的態度這大概是這一個團隊的定性那我接下來請教我們局長國安局以及國安局所轄的勤工單位跟目前川普建構起來的國安團隊過去有沒有接觸的經驗\n\n11\n00:03:49,597 --> 00:03:50,917\n你們跟雷克里夫有沒有合作過?他以前是情報總監?\n\n12\n00:04:09,861 --> 00:04:10,942\n請委員可以理解\n\n13\n00:04:34,425 --> 00:04:58,410\n這個我們在這些接觸當中那事實上也要注意到一些訊息因為目前在日本也有產生就是第一個移美第二個移川這個川普那第三個會質疑我在日本的媒體看到質疑日本本身跟美國的關係在台灣就變成移美移川移賴啦比方說這一個\n\n14\n00:05:01,175 --> 00:05:15,761\n金片這個事情我不知道國安局有沒有掌握他他完整的翻譯我去看了幾次尤其最近一次接受這個JoePodcaster的訪問他其實內容是講說台灣掌握了搶走的全世界大多數的金片生意\n\n15\n00:05:17,102 --> 00:05:32,837\n臺灣因為臺灣做得很好因為他當時是對他的政治對手在攻擊因為美國有一群糟糕的官僚他的全文是這一個啦他是反對補貼主義的那對川普的單邊主義也事實上如果我們回頭去看QUAD\n\n16\n00:05:34,178 --> 00:06:02,146\nCWAD是在陸克文2007年安倍提出2008年澳洲的陸克文總理因為中國的影響退出後來到2017年重新啟動這個CWAD四邊對話是川普是是20應該是19還是20年把四邊對話要提升到區域安全共同願景那時候是川普派他的國務卿蓬佩奧才有亞洲北約是這樣一個脈落下來的未必都是純單邊\n\n17\n00:06:03,706 --> 00:06:23,845\n所以川普即將就任他的國安團隊也開始在交接當中我希望國安局跟你們所督導的勤工單位要跟美方可能在未來工作的步調上還有灰色地帶啦AI啦網路的衝突上要有一些接觸你們目前有沒有啟動這樣的計畫\n\n18\n00:06:25,026 --> 00:06:41,983\n對我們事實上跟國際有門跟理念相近國家在戰略溝通跟情報聯繫上都非常的緊密那正如委員所提到的很多聯繫的重點一來是在中共的軍事的活動跟動態它已經變成是一個不單是台海的議題也是整個區域安全的議題那這是一個重點\n\n19\n00:06:42,603 --> 00:07:11,208\n那另外是對於各種複合式的威脅還有灰色地帶的操作那很多的國際網友他們也在擔心這樣的議題因為在民主選舉過程當中假如有境外的勢力在操弄國內的民主選舉的話那這對民主價值跟體制是一個非常大的危害美國他們未來會投入資源在特別AI對國家安全的影響比如說有一個課題就是我們怎麼去辨識這是正確的我今天本來要播那個沈博洋的影片\n\n20\n00:07:12,543 --> 00:07:36,484\n我那影片把它拍得太可愛了那是假的啦我還看到很多台灣名人的影片在那邊講一些話他就AI生成的deepfake那這些東西怎麼去辨識假的另外怎麼樣去掌握國家安全相關被AI攻擊做情報偵測我覺得美國有這樣的政策形成台灣面對威脅的第一線我們應該要投入資源\n\n21\n00:07:37,625 --> 00:07:58,572\n最後一個題目,因為時間有限。本期長期關心我們國安局特勤人員的保險,意外保險。我相信特勤中心應該有印象。我不是去年,我第9屆開始就發現,真正面對威脅的國安特勤人員的保險的保額是憲兵的三分之一。\n\n22\n00:07:59,741 --> 00:07:59,881\n那在\n\n23\n00:08:19,473 --> 00:08:42,544\n國軍的部分在今年有修訂草案國軍特殊勤務指的是縣特啦就是特殊勤務團體意外保險執行任務因公意外死亡呢把一千萬又調高到兩千萬就縣兵這邊調高了那我們有一個特勤出去內中外衛這個當然就會有不同的單位組成你看下一頁前一頁\n\n24\n00:08:46,322 --> 00:09:11,915\n下一頁下一頁所以呢我們看整個目前在特種勤務的狀況下是形成憲兵已經擬調高到兩千萬那我們經過這幾年的努力把這一個我們的維安特勤人員逐漸走向一千萬我現在請教局長最後的一個問題那管局有沒有計畫要調高到兩千萬跟憲兵特勤勤務一樣\n\n25\n00:09:12,778 --> 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Podcaster的訪問他其實內容是講說台灣掌握了搶走的全世界大多數的金片生意\n317102\t332837\t臺灣因為臺灣做得很好因為他當時是對他的政治對手在攻擊因為美國有一群糟糕的官僚他的全文是這一個啦他是反對補貼主義的那對川普的單邊主義也事實上如果我們回頭去看QUAD\n334178\t362146\tCWAD是在陸克文2007年安倍提出2008年澳洲的陸克文總理因為中國的影響退出後來到2017年重新啟動這個CWAD四邊對話是川普是是20應該是19還是20年把四邊對話要提升到區域安全共同願景那時候是川普派他的國務卿蓬佩奧才有亞洲北約是這樣一個脈落下來的未必都是純單邊\n363706\t383845\t所以川普即將就任他的國安團隊也開始在交接當中我希望國安局跟你們所督導的勤工單位要跟美方可能在未來工作的步調上還有灰色地帶啦AI啦網路的衝突上要有一些接觸你們目前有沒有啟動這樣的計畫\n385026\t401983\t對我們事實上跟國際有門跟理念相近國家在戰略溝通跟情報聯繫上都非常的緊密那正如委員所提到的很多聯繫的重點一來是在中共的軍事的活動跟動態它已經變成是一個不單是台海的議題也是整個區域安全的議題那這是一個重點\n402603\t431208\t那另外是對於各種複合式的威脅還有灰色地帶的操作那很多的國際網友他們也在擔心這樣的議題因為在民主選舉過程當中假如有境外的勢力在操弄國內的民主選舉的話那這對民主價值跟體制是一個非常大的危害美國他們未來會投入資源在特別AI對國家安全的影響比如說有一個課題就是我們怎麼去辨識這是正確的我今天本來要播那個沈博洋的影片\n432543\t456484\t我那影片把它拍得太可愛了那是假的啦我還看到很多台灣名人的影片在那邊講一些話他就AI生成的deep fake那這些東西怎麼去辨識假的另外怎麼樣去掌握國家安全相關被AI攻擊做情報偵測我覺得美國有這樣的政策形成台灣面對威脅的第一線我們應該要投入資源\n457625\t478572\t最後一個題目,因為時間有限。本期長期關心我們國安局特勤人員的保險,意外保險。我相信特勤中心應該有印象。我不是去年,我第9屆開始就發現,真正面對威脅的國安特勤人員的保險的保額是憲兵的三分之一。\n479741\t479881\t那在\n499473\t522544\t國軍的部分在今年有修訂草案國軍特殊勤務指的是縣特啦就是特殊勤務團體意外保險執行任務因公意外死亡呢把一千萬又調高到兩千萬就縣兵這邊調高了那我們有一個特勤出去內中外衛這個當然就會有不同的單位組成你看下一頁前一頁\n526322\t551915\t下一頁下一頁所以呢我們看整個目前在特種勤務的狀況下是形成憲兵已經擬調高到兩千萬那我們經過這幾年的努力把這一個我們的維安特勤人員逐漸走向一千萬我現在請教局長最後的一個問題那管局有沒有計畫要調高到兩千萬跟憲兵特勤勤務一樣\n552778\t571415\t對謝謝委員的關心長期以來對我們特勤的支持那也在委員的督導之下我們已經調高飽和到一千萬那至於未來要不要再比照來提高到兩千萬這我們來評估那預算的編列也從你家還會面對一個我知道知道會比較對會比較發生了意外的時候今天兩千要幾千我們當然不希望發生嘛但我覺得\n572416\t573357\t現兵你調高到兩千萬他如果獲准\n583503\t606459\t沒有道理我們的特勤人員還是維持到一千萬那保費調高而已那個戰爭整體金額其實不高就不要在同一個護衛圈同樣的保鏢特種勤務有兩千萬跟一千萬差異這個不好以往是一千萬跟三百五十萬的差異那好不容易調到一樣了那我不知道為什麼憲兵跑得比較快那國安局跑得比較慢\n607079\t618404\t我建議局長這一個尤其特勤中心如果憲兵調到2000了也找到保險公司了我們沒有理由維持在1000好不好請局長注意到這件事情我們來特別注意\n","txt":"謝謝主席 麻煩蔡局長\n謝謝主席 王委員早局長其實我們在國家情報的收集有蠻大的一塊部分是來自於跟友盟之間的交換這個很重要交換不只是為了擴大獲取情報的面積還有一個很重要是去verify第三方意見來確認這情報是否真實\n目前美國政局在經歷變動日本的政局也剛變動完成也就台灣對外最重要的關係現在在地緣政治上都有一些變化我們不能天真去相信以往怎麼樣未來就怎麼樣但我們也要做好一些接觸跟準備今天早上川普正式任命了Rubio這台灣的老朋友是擔任國務卿那我再加上兩個人\n這讓他的國安團隊大概都成型了另外一位是這一個CIA的局長雷奇克里夫另外還有國安顧問Michael Woods當然昨天還公佈了國防部長你對這一些川普目前任命的國安團隊國安局有沒有對他們的\n這部分剛剛在進來會議室之前媒體有在關切那我的態度是我們不針對個別的人士來評論這畢竟要尊重外國政府的一個政治的運作那但是就整體的人事任命有沒有哪些意涵我們可以提出一些觀察\n對 那我們認為可能未來美國新政府上來之後應該施政上會有兩個主軸一個部分就美國優先那另外一個部分就是遏制中國那這兩個大概就是主要的施政的一個重點那國安局當然會這個判斷其實很重要因為美國在未來4年川普的路線會影響到我們的國家安全重要嗎當然影響到我們在地緣政治的外交的合作也很重要還會影響到我們的經濟對台灣來講經濟其實是國安的一部分\n我看了這些名單像都有參議員、眾議員出身然後裡面大概第一個對川普的忠誠度大概是很前面的考量因素也就是他能夠貫徹川普的意志第二個是對中國的態度很強硬像這個CIA的這一位局長\n他其實前兩三年是擔任美國的情報總監我相信國安局跟他有接觸那這一位雷克里夫他曾經把中國定義為美國是美國第二次世界大戰以來最大的威脅我相信局長是外交出身的這個應該有了解\n另外白宮的國安顧問Michael Woods他在眾議院的時候他是對中政策的特殊委員會的成員那我們也跟他有所接觸他也是加速對台提供軍售物資的Tiger Team的領導人之一然後他也是對中國強硬派所以你剛才分析也對啦第一個他們是對中強硬派第二個其實他們還有一個共通的特色Rubio反左\n對於美國的左傾他們其實是那個態度蠻一致的第三個是對非法移民的態度這大概是這一個團隊的定性那我接下來請教我們局長國安局以及國安局所轄的勤工單位跟目前川普建構起來的國安團隊過去有沒有接觸的經驗\n你們跟雷克里夫有沒有合作過?他以前是情報總監?\n請委員可以理解\n這個我們在這些接觸當中那事實上也要注意到一些訊息因為目前在日本也有產生就是第一個移美第二個移川這個川普那第三個會質疑我在日本的媒體看到質疑日本本身跟美國的關係在台灣就變成移美移川移賴啦比方說這一個\n金片這個事情我不知道國安局有沒有掌握他他完整的翻譯我去看了幾次尤其最近一次接受這個Joe Podcaster的訪問他其實內容是講說台灣掌握了搶走的全世界大多數的金片生意\n臺灣因為臺灣做得很好因為他當時是對他的政治對手在攻擊因為美國有一群糟糕的官僚他的全文是這一個啦他是反對補貼主義的那對川普的單邊主義也事實上如果我們回頭去看QUAD\nCWAD是在陸克文2007年安倍提出2008年澳洲的陸克文總理因為中國的影響退出後來到2017年重新啟動這個CWAD四邊對話是川普是是20應該是19還是20年把四邊對話要提升到區域安全共同願景那時候是川普派他的國務卿蓬佩奧才有亞洲北約是這樣一個脈落下來的未必都是純單邊\n所以川普即將就任他的國安團隊也開始在交接當中我希望國安局跟你們所督導的勤工單位要跟美方可能在未來工作的步調上還有灰色地帶啦AI啦網路的衝突上要有一些接觸你們目前有沒有啟動這樣的計畫\n對我們事實上跟國際有門跟理念相近國家在戰略溝通跟情報聯繫上都非常的緊密那正如委員所提到的很多聯繫的重點一來是在中共的軍事的活動跟動態它已經變成是一個不單是台海的議題也是整個區域安全的議題那這是一個重點\n那另外是對於各種複合式的威脅還有灰色地帶的操作那很多的國際網友他們也在擔心這樣的議題因為在民主選舉過程當中假如有境外的勢力在操弄國內的民主選舉的話那這對民主價值跟體制是一個非常大的危害美國他們未來會投入資源在特別AI對國家安全的影響比如說有一個課題就是我們怎麼去辨識這是正確的我今天本來要播那個沈博洋的影片\n我那影片把它拍得太可愛了那是假的啦我還看到很多台灣名人的影片在那邊講一些話他就AI生成的deep 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