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00:01:28,362\n那如果照這樣的做法的話會不會擔心有一國兩制的問題因為一個台灣有兩種制度因為整體而言我們要的是可以完全的管理整個醫療體制所以應該是納入到同一個所以你們其實並不贊成這樣的修法對不對我們是建議你們希望還是維持既有的這個制度吧好謝謝專委那接下來我請一下連次長次長如果照這樣的修法通過的話對經濟產業會有什麼影響\n\n5\n00:01:30,236 --> 00:01:33,259\n條例第十一條及第十二條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、\n\n6\n00:01:50,558 --> 00:02:02,278\n同一個中華民國下面有兩條因為這個剛剛其實有提到應該是要架構在整個兩岸聯名關係條例的一個不管在台灣這個整個所有每一個縣市都應該是要遵守這樣的一個\n\n7\n00:02:02,867 --> 00:02:06,029\n條例第七條、第九條及第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：\n\n8\n00:02:24,102 --> 00:02:51,853\n那我們也看到了這個中國這邊其實不斷的想要去做一些所謂的兩岸融合的一個市發展的示範區市長會不會有這樣的擔憂我問市長因為這個還是真的是要謹慎去考慮因為我們面對的看這個自由貿易示範區是要面對的是哪一些出口地所以說因為我們現在目前設立的這些自由貿都是向國際去對接的\n\n9\n00:02:52,253 --> 00:03:07,059\n他現在這樣的做法包括在中國這邊他所提出來這樣的做法其實看來是要讓你兩岸之間有一些融合的示範的發展不管是從金門而且看來是金門、廈門是他們一個主要的推動的一個區域啦齁次長會不會\n\n10\n00:03:07,979 --> 00:03:11,160\n條例第十一條及第十二條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、\n\n11\n00:03:25,657 --> 00:03:28,879\n條例第七條、第九條及第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、\n\n12\n00:03:55,732 --> 00:04:15,887\n所以這個是大家擔憂的。我再回到郭莊惟好不好那同樣的問題啦這陣子大家為了潑潑醫生甚至很多醫療的一些問題大家有擔憂那如果這個點被做了一個特區進來還可以有外國的甚至可以有一些醫療人士的可以放寬的話會不會擔心這也是讓很多的這個中國甚至所謂我們講的蒙古大夫會不會跑到這邊來\n\n13\n00:04:16,596 --> 00:04:18,217\n條例第七條、第九條及第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、\n\n14\n00:04:36,871 --> 00:04:43,453\n條例第十一條及第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審\n\n15\n00:04:55,319 --> 00:05:18,082\n我們陸委會態度就很簡單不管是本島還是離島只要在中華民國領域內和對岸的往來就要受到兩岸條例的規範所以我們不會接受這個托役出兩岸條例規範的做法我舉例比如說自由貿易港區我們現在有六個自由貿易港區\n\n16\n00:05:18,863 --> 00:05:44,830\n但這六個自由貿易港區的關於人員流動、關於貨物流動、關於資金流動、專業證照、勞動條件等等都還是要受到兩岸人民關係條例的規範所以我不管離島建設條例它未來會怎麼修正但是它的人員、貨物、資金、證照、勞動條件等等都還是不能夠脫逸出兩岸條例\n\n17\n00:05:47,151 --> 00:06:10,685\n條例是一個比較上位的規定,他甚至考慮到很多國安的層次,所以他必須所有的都不應該超越這個層次,你超越這個層次恐怕都涉及到國家安全的問題了。是,而且從國家發展的角度來看,我們現在的經濟部或是相關單位所做的,不管什麼農業科學園區科學園區等等這些,它實際上都是要跟國際對接了。\n\n18\n00:06:12,586 --> 00:06:39,904\n副主委那這樣子看來會不會大家擔憂?這樣的會不會是金門、廈門間用這種所謂的特區的概念來執行兩岸融合發展示範區?有沒有這樣的擔憂?我們還是堅持只要不管離島、本島會不會擔憂?主委會不會擔憂?副主委會不會擔憂?我們當然有注意到對岸的一些計畫跟方向那所以我們希望說台灣要有自己的發展方向\n\n19\n00:06:40,880 --> 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--> 00:06.222\n接下來請賴瑞龍委員好謝謝主席齁我請那個連次長還有呃\n\n00:09.856 --> 00:33.592\n維福部的郭專委跟陸委會的兩副主委。請林次長、郭專委還有我們的陸委會的副主委,謝謝。好,我先請教一下那個維福部的郭專委,這個離島自由貿易區就是陳義正委員提案的部分,這個部分如果照他的條文通過會產生什麼影響?會跟現行的醫療法有一些漢格。\n\n00:34.568 --> 00:40.289\n條例第七條、第九條及第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、\n\n01:01.633 --> 01:28.362\n那如果照這樣的做法的話會不會擔心有一國兩制的問題因為一個台灣有兩種制度因為整體而言我們要的是可以完全的管理整個醫療體制所以應該是納入到同一個所以你們其實並不贊成這樣的修法對不對我們是建議你們希望還是維持既有的這個制度吧好謝謝專委那接下來我請一下連次長次長如果照這樣的修法通過的話對經濟產業會有什麼影響\n\n01:30.236 --> 01:33.259\n條例第十一條及第十二條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、\n\n01:50.558 --> 02:02.278\n同一個中華民國下面有兩條因為這個剛剛其實有提到應該是要架構在整個兩岸聯名關係條例的一個不管在台灣這個整個所有每一個縣市都應該是要遵守這樣的一個\n\n02:02.867 --> 02:06.029\n條例第七條、第九條及第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：\n\n02:24.102 --> 02:51.853\n那我們也看到了這個中國這邊其實不斷的想要去做一些所謂的兩岸融合的一個市發展的示範區市長會不會有這樣的擔憂我問市長因為這個還是真的是要謹慎去考慮因為我們面對的看這個自由貿易示範區是要面對的是哪一些出口地所以說因為我們現在目前設立的這些自由貿都是向國際去對接的\n\n02:52.253 --> 03:07.059\n他現在這樣的做法包括在中國這邊他所提出來這樣的做法其實看來是要讓你兩岸之間有一些融合的示範的發展不管是從金門而且看來是金門、廈門是他們一個主要的推動的一個區域啦齁次長會不會\n\n03:07.979 --> 03:11.160\n條例第十一條及第十二條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、\n\n03:25.657 --> 03:28.879\n條例第七條、第九條及第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、\n\n03:55.732 --> 04:15.887\n所以這個是大家擔憂的。我再回到郭莊惟好不好那同樣的問題啦這陣子大家為了潑潑醫生甚至很多醫療的一些問題大家有擔憂那如果這個點被做了一個特區進來還可以有外國的甚至可以有一些醫療人士的可以放寬的話會不會擔心這也是讓很多的這個中國甚至所謂我們講的蒙古大夫會不會跑到這邊來\n\n04:16.596 --> 04:18.217\n條例第七條、第九條及第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、\n\n04:36.871 --> 04:43.453\n條例第十一條及第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審\n\n04:55.319 --> 05:18.082\n我們陸委會態度就很簡單不管是本島還是離島只要在中華民國領域內和對岸的往來就要受到兩岸條例的規範所以我們不會接受這個托役出兩岸條例規範的做法我舉例比如說自由貿易港區我們現在有六個自由貿易港區\n\n05:18.863 --> 05:44.830\n但這六個自由貿易港區的關於人員流動、關於貨物流動、關於資金流動、專業證照、勞動條件等等都還是要受到兩岸人民關係條例的規範所以我不管離島建設條例它未來會怎麼修正但是它的人員、貨物、資金、證照、勞動條件等等都還是不能夠脫逸出兩岸條例\n\n05:47.151 --> 06:10.685\n條例是一個比較上位的規定,他甚至考慮到很多國安的層次,所以他必須所有的都不應該超越這個層次,你超越這個層次恐怕都涉及到國家安全的問題了。是,而且從國家發展的角度來看,我們現在的經濟部或是相關單位所做的,不管什麼農業科學園區科學園區等等這些,它實際上都是要跟國際對接了。\n\n06:12.586 --> 06:39.904\n副主委那這樣子看來會不會大家擔憂?這樣的會不會是金門、廈門間用這種所謂的特區的概念來執行兩岸融合發展示範區?有沒有這樣的擔憂?我們還是堅持只要不管離島、本島會不會擔憂?主委會不會擔憂?副主委會不會擔憂?我們當然有注意到對岸的一些計畫跟方向那所以我們希望說台灣要有自己的發展方向\n\n06:40.880 --> 07:00.121\n所以不要讓這個特區有可能成為是我看包括連這個王滬寧都提了兩岸融合示範區如果這樣的一個特區出來的話有可能就會形成類似於他這樣的示範區的一個概念慢慢逐步去成形那有可能就影響到台灣他們往這個方向推動的計畫是很清楚的\n\n07:00.541 --> 07:04.302\n條例第十一條條文修正草案：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、審查：一、\n\n07:20.567 --> 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人擬具「個人資料保護法第二十一條、第二十九條及第三十二條條文修正草\n案」案、(四)本院委員賴瑞隆等18人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案、(五)本院台\n灣民眾黨黨團擬具「個人資料保護法第四十七條、第四十八條及第四十九條條文修正草案」案、\n(六)本院委員黃捷等17人擬具「個人資料保護法部分條文修正草案」案、(七)本院委員許宇甄等\n22人擬具「個人資料保護法第六條條文修正草案」案（詢答）；三、審查：(一)本院委員陳亭妃\n等16人擬具「離島建設條例第十條之一條文修正草案」案、(二)本院委員鄭天財等22人擬具「離\n島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員陳玉珍等19人擬具「離島建設條例增訂第\n十三條之一及第十三條之二條文草案」案、(四)本院委員陳玉珍等17人擬具「離島建設條例增訂\n第十八條之一條文草案」案、(五)本院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「離島建設條例第二條及第十五條\n之一條文修正草案」案、(六)本院委員陳瑩等18人擬具「離島建設條例第十三條條文修正草案」\n案（詢答）","agenda_id":"1139901_00003"}}}