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--> 00:00:03,790\n請陳培宇委員質詢好,謝謝主席,有請教育部政部長\n\n2\n00:00:26,894 --> 00:00:49,376\n主席好還有委員好是部長早安很多的題目我今天就抓幾個我覺得是我們在看教育部新年度的預算的時候我們覺得比較有疑義的地方第一個是關於家庭教育的部分部長你應該記得我從總質詢的時候就開始一直談家庭教育我們來看一下下一頁我們幫教育部快速算了一下目前的編列是比去年多了278億\n\n3\n00:00:51,098 --> 00:01:16,952\n那可是在終身教育的部分只編了80億按照教育部如果書面資料的說明你們說比去年多了8.7%那可是呢整體的教育部的經費我必須要說只編了80億它的困境是什麼呢是終身教育原本在教育部的理解跟我們一般人的理解當中它應該是涵蓋學生離開校園一直到生命結束應該都是屬於終身教育的部分\n\n4\n00:01:17,532 --> 00:01:35,872\n在往下看,如果是這樣算,我們來看你們目前的編法呢。終身教育大部分的錢都被放在圖書館、博物館、社教機構等相關管社上。實體投資在教育上面的經費只有13.8,其中家庭教育相關的經費只有3億一點點。\n\n5\n00:01:38,374 --> 00:02:04,945\n等於教育部明年要放在家庭教育的預算只佔整體教育經費不到千分之一可是不論是全教總、老師團體們或者是其實很多家長也已經提出訴求家庭教育必須教育部要承擔起責任所以如果來看現在教育部用來推行家庭教育的預算再把各縣市政府的補助扣掉其實留在中央只剩下6000多萬\n\n6\n00:02:06,843 --> 00:02:15,472\n而這6000多萬是我們整體教育部要以中央的角度去支持家庭教育的部分部長你覺得這樣可以嗎這是一個問題很大的問題\n\n7\n00:02:17,955 --> 00:02:46,585\n是在家庭教育這個確實是我們整個學校教育能夠順利推展的穩定力量那我想這一個部分如果經費上他的一個所需我們會內部來自己看怎麼樣來協助我覺得非常多年以來整個國家都認為生養小孩的責任在家庭在父母親但是我們也知道這幾年來其實已經很多的家長提出他們的困境提出他們的需求但是我們政府有沒有聽到他們正在求救\n\n8\n00:02:47,986 --> 00:02:56,878\n教育部不可以再用過往的觀念認為小孩生了是家庭自己的責任是爸媽自己的責任我們從昨天在勞動部那邊我們一直在跟勞動部談彈性的放假彈性的工時讓家長更多彈性可以照顧小孩\n\n9\n00:03:03,687 --> 00:03:27,282\n我認為回到教育部這邊我們家庭教育的預算實在是不能再這樣編下去當然立法委員沒有職權去擴張這個預算但是我們必須要積極的要求教育部必須要再更積極我認為這個相關的演繹必須要繼續那我們來看從家庭教育預算不足衍生另外一個荒謬的問題這是這兩天我們才收到的一個陳情在六都\n\n10\n00:03:27,782 --> 00:03:37,285\n某一個縣市推過渡性教育措施事辦計劃,請學校輔導人員、本市學輔資中心專任輔導人員持續輔導諮商工作,還叫這些人去做家庭輔導工作,強化家長瓜胡主要照顧者的親職教養能力\n\n11\n00:03:53,189 --> 00:03:54,530\n二、審查114年度教育部總預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案\n\n12\n00:04:23,289 --> 00:04:33,821\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機\n\n13\n00:04:45,593 --> 00:05:04,346\n發現家庭教育很重要,會因著發現學府資中心的工作量人太多而要求學府資中心的人繼續去強化家庭教育但那本來應該是縣市政府有家庭教育中心本來就已經有拿走了錢、拿走了預算但是家庭教育中心該做的事情不做推給學府資中心,再再顯示家庭教育的困境不是嗎?部長\n\n14\n00:05:04,986 --> 00:05:19,133\n我完全同意因為各地方縣市政府本來都有家庭教育中心所以我不知道是縣市政府誤會了學府資中心的功能還是放任家庭教育中心該作為而沒有作為然後甚至這個事情最後要來我要來到這邊跟教育部討論\n\n15\n00:05:22,234 --> 00:05:28,881\n二、審查114年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管\n\n16\n00:05:39,272 --> 00:06:03,429\n家庭教育的需求出現了而家庭教育中心承接不住而在中央的終身教育司又沒有意識到自己在這件事情上有監督的責任有編列預算的責任甚至我們還聽到教育部的人告訴我們就是沒有錢啊沒有錢就不能做啊那如果是這樣是不是我們乾脆就放棄家庭教育這一塊我們就正式的對外宣告家庭教育不再是我們教育部的責任我認為這一定不是部長您的想法\n\n17\n00:06:03,669 --> 00:06:20,433\n各位委員包括確實我進來的時候也看到了這個家庭教育中心的功能應該怎麼樣來更積極來推動各項的一些親子之間的許多的一些發展性的一些功能所以我其實在這個部分我還特別拜託我們這個市長\n\n18\n00:06:22,614 --> 00:06:44,980\n一定在這個部份在未來要有更積極的一些看起來今年的預算我還是看不出積極的作為部長我想我們後續會再來討論我一定會在這個部份有一個更積極的一些好謝謝部長非常正面的承諾所以你看到這個困境所以我希望可以在兩個月內提供相關的書面報告給予整體的教育文化委員會的委員我相信所有委員都會關心家庭教育好來下一個\n\n19\n00:06:46,100 --> 00:07:05,830\n閱讀的事情我已經跟部長也談過很多次了我現在先回頭看二到六歲因為現在是屬於教育部主管二到六歲其實是在高等認知功能系統的關鍵期不管是他們的閱讀、數學運算、邏輯思考在二到六歲這個階段快速的發展如果我們回到所謂的幼兒園階段到底孩子們可以有什麼呢我們現在看下一頁\n\n20\n00:07:06,670 --> 00:07:25,875\n目前我們來看預算因為今天要談預算我們來看在教育部的預算0到2歲有所謂嬰幼兒閱讀禮帶大概花了300萬是由國台圖來執行或者是在2到6歲我們其實沒有看到2到6歲我們看不到國教署也沒有任何的態度可是6到7歲我們知道你們有了新生閱讀禮帶有充實國民中小學圖書計畫在國教法通過的時候我們有了3億但我要先說我覺得這還是太少\n\n21\n00:07:31,536 --> 00:07:55,681\n接下來閱推計畫有7500萬還有長書人員專案的預算是在地方政府可是整體的預算我們來看在閱讀其實路外教育部真的很少很少我一再一再一再的拜託部長部長你一定有清楚喔面對3C的困境我們除了增加校內的遊戲場我們增加多元課程的可能我們回到家庭教育但是如何把閱讀作為一種學習方法\n\n22\n00:07:56,421 --> 00:08:11,033\n協助現在數位時代的小孩我覺得已經是刻不容緩的任務所以我要再次提出閱讀資源的匱乏這件事情跟整體教育部在這件事情沒有認知到這是自己現在應該做的事情我覺得這是最大的問題那我們來看下一頁\n\n23\n00:08:11,693 --> 00:08:26,508\n目前我們找到幼兒園分班基本設施標準裡面我們看到了很棒有寢室、遊戲空間、儲藏空間、配散室、觀察室、資源回收區、生態教學園區其他有利教學活動室空間可是我們沒有談到讀書室其實我們在中小學是有讀書室的\n\n24\n00:08:27,549 --> 00:08:47,921\n甚至教育部過往每年都有花所謂社區圖書館的概念去改善學校裡面的圖書館可是我們在幼兒園的部分完全沒有如果我們認為閱讀是從小就要培養起的一個學習方法甚至是面對3C時代的焦慮那我認為我們要從幼兒園就開始所以我也會積極提出下一頁\n\n25\n00:08:48,641 --> 00:09:05,776\n我也想要積極提出在幼照法裡面我們也沒有相關人員的培育因為閱讀作為一個方法確實它需要一些專業的訓練我認為這個也是這個時代我們當然要面對的困境所以這個部分我們也會再跟教育部持續的溝通不管是在相關預算或是相關法規的盤點這個部分可不可以請\n\n26\n00:09:08,438 --> 00:09:16,207\n教育部的三個月內提供相關規劃報告跟委員報告我上任以後我確實要求我們國教署開始這個閱讀運動要繼續過去我們在2000年開始推閱讀運動我也認可委員剛才所提的\n\n27\n00:09:26,077 --> 00:09:47,487\n閱讀對兒童的一個發展、認知的一個發展我想那是最基礎的所以我們也透過這個全國教育局議處所長會議也鼓勵我們地方各級中小學教育的圖書館學校的圖書館搬到一樓然後成為一個社區的一個圖書館所以我們在這個閱讀運動可能是我們過去忽略了可是因為二到六歲這一段那幼兒這個部分我想未來我們來加強\n\n28\n00:09:54,430 --> 00:10:15,232\n謝謝部長來接下來我們要講體育的預算來下一頁部長你知道去泰國一張機票多少錢嗎沒關係你不知道其實我也不知道但是我是看了荒謬陳情我才知道目前去泰國機票來回一張大概是一萬到一萬二在體育署的學校新南向計劃裡面大概也是這個預算來看下一頁\n\n29\n00:10:16,257 --> 00:10:22,621\n體育署單項協會疑訊參賽平均泰國機票一張是13000到24000當然會因為運動種類的不同使用內容的不同有所差異但這也都還算合理可接受的範圍13000到24000可是我們來看一下足協泰國機票一張30000塊去鹿兒島33000\n\n30\n00:10:39,150 --> 00:10:50,427\n如果我拿三萬塊此時此刻我去網站上訂票部長我可以訂到商務艙中華航空的票所以我想問部長你覺得這個經費的使用有沒有問題啊\n\n31\n00:10:52,788 --> 00:10:57,172\n在相關的招標公告裡面,我們認為他漫天開講,他的寫法認為有經過招標,可是卻讓台灣足球界基層覺得質疑的是,為什麼足協買的機票都這麼貴,特別貴,而且我們政府還買單。\n\n32\n00:11:17,009 --> 00:11:37,899\n然後呢一樣是去泰國的機票招標我們看到橄欖球協會他們自己就知道要訂定票價上限可是一樣是單項協會的足協體育署就讓足協跟旅行社直接用市價行情的三倍去採購也難怪大家會覺得這件事情真的怪怪的而且這邊是經濟艙喔部長我剛剛給你的三萬塊足協花走了三萬塊是商務艙可是在剛剛那個招標案裡面是經濟艙\n\n33\n00:11:45,783 --> 00:12:00,627\n好再來看足球轉播部長認為一場足球轉播要多少錢我跟部長快速報告時間有限在2022年以前不管是5人制、11人制、足協的轉播補助金額大概都是跟市場行情相符的可是從2023年以後一場30萬的轉播變成了130萬\n\n34\n00:12:05,228 --> 00:12:21,520\n怎麼想都想不到為什麼是這個數字但我們的體育署只能照單全收我認為相關體育預算的執行我們真的要回過頭來好好檢討下一頁到底什麼樣的執行我們會認定它是失控它是不當的我們再來看下一頁\n\n35\n00:12:22,581 --> 00:12:50,363\n過去呢111年體育署的6年足球計畫用參賽補助的方法吸引非足球隊伍的報名換隊費造成決算超支1億的問題監察院已經提出糾正了在下一頁但是到了今年現在才11月中體育署在國際體育交流的部分已預算3億9但是執行已經是6億4超支了2億5千萬\n\n36\n00:12:51,864 --> 00:13:11,469\n所以今年下半年很多原本要出國的團隊跑來跟我們說他們被體育署告知因為預算的問題所以沒有辦法同意出國或是本來已經通過計劃被喊停如同民間所說的是不是運發基金是體育署官員的小金庫我認為這一定不是部長所可以接受的\n\n37\n00:13:12,209 --> 00:13:31,250\n對照去年體育署宣布的國際賽事補助單項協會如果有盈餘不用繳回那我認為問題更大作為立法委員我必須要拜託部長嚴肅提醒教育部體育署不行也不應該成為單項協會的提款機而且相關的事情我覺得越來越多\n\n38\n00:13:31,690 --> 00:13:53,037\n但我們對待選手卻越來越小氣有太多選手的狀況需要被解決但是單項協會把我們政府部門當成提款機的情況卻越來越嚴重部長我可不可以讓您簡單回答一下謝謝委員的一個提醒我想我非常認同委員剛才所說的我們應該在整個程序招標的一些包含價格應該\n\n39\n00:13:54,897 --> 00:14:11,335\n公務人員應該有先期的了解訂出公開招標合理的價格或相關規範包含補助因為我也知道COVID-19以後許多大型的國際賽會確實是比較多的但是這跟經費上是\n\n40\n00:14:17,441 --> 00:14:17,661\n內部檢討內機內控\n\n41\n00:14:35,049 --> 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教育部快速算了一下目前的編列是比去年多了278億\n那可是在終身教育的部分只編了80億按照教育部如果書面資料的說明你們說比去年多了8.7%那可是呢整體的教育部的經費我必須要說只編了80億它的困境是什麼呢是終身教育原本在教育部的理解跟我們一般人的理解當中它應該是涵蓋學生離開校園一直到生命結束應該都是屬於終身教育的部分\n在往下看,如果是這樣算,我們來看你們目前的編法呢。終身教育大部分的錢都被放在圖書館、博物館、社教機構等相關管社上。實體投資在教育上面的經費只有13.8,其中家庭教育相關的經費只有3億一點點。\n等於教育部明年要放在家庭教育的預算只佔整體教育經費不到千分之一可是不論是全教總、老師團體們或者是其實很多家長也已經提出訴求家庭教育必須教育部要承擔起責任所以如果來看現在教育部用來推行家庭教育的預算再把各縣市政府的補助扣掉其實留在中央只剩下6000多萬\n而這6000多萬是我們整體教育部要以中央的角度去支持家庭教育的部分部長你覺得這樣可以嗎這是一個問題很大的問題\n是在家庭教育這個確實是我們整個學校教育能夠順利推展的穩定力量那我想這一個部分如果經費上他的一個所需我們會內部來自己看怎麼樣來協助我覺得非常多年以來整個國家都認為生養小孩的責任在家庭在父母親但是我們也知道這幾年來其實已經很多的家長提出他們的困境提出他們的需求但是我們政府有沒有聽到他們正在求救\n教育部不可以再用過往的觀念認為小孩生了是家庭自己的責任是爸媽自己的責任我們從昨天在勞動部那邊我們一直在跟勞動部談彈性的放假彈性的工時讓家長更多彈性可以照顧小孩\n我認為回到教育部這邊我們家庭教育的預算實在是不能再這樣編下去當然立法委員沒有職權去擴張這個預算但是我們必須要積極的要求教育部必須要再更積極我認為這個相關的演繹必須要繼續那我們來看從家庭教育預算不足衍生另外一個荒謬的問題這是這兩天我們才收到的一個陳情在六都\n某一個縣市推過渡性教育措施事辦計劃,請學校輔導人員、本市學輔資中心專任輔導人員持續輔導諮商工作,還叫這些人去做家庭輔導工作,強化家長瓜胡主要照顧者的親職教養能力\n二、審查114年度教育部總預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機\n發現家庭教育很重要,會因著發現學府資中心的工作量人太多而要求學府資中心的人繼續去強化家庭教育但那本來應該是縣市政府有家庭教育中心本來就已經有拿走了錢、拿走了預算但是家庭教育中心該做的事情不做推給學府資中心,再再顯示家庭教育的困境不是嗎?部長\n我完全同意因為各地方縣市政府本來都有家庭教育中心所以我不知道是縣市政府誤會了學府資中心的功能還是放任家庭教育中心該作為而沒有作為然後甚至這個事情最後要來我要來到這邊跟教育部討論\n二、審查114年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管\n家庭教育的需求出現了而家庭教育中心承接不住而在中央的終身教育司又沒有意識到自己在這件事情上有監督的責任有編列預算的責任甚至我們還聽到教育部的人告訴我們就是沒有錢啊沒有錢就不能做啊那如果是這樣是不是我們乾脆就放棄家庭教育這一塊我們就正式的對外宣告家庭教育不再是我們教育部的責任我認為這一定不是部長您的想法\n各位委員包括確實我進來的時候也看到了這個家庭教育中心的功能應該怎麼樣來更積極來推動各項的一些親子之間的許多的一些發展性的一些功能所以我其實在這個部分我還特別拜託我們這個市長\n一定在這個部份在未來要有更積極的一些看起來今年的預算我還是看不出積極的作為部長我想我們後續會再來討論我一定會在這個部份有一個更積極的一些好謝謝部長非常正面的承諾所以你看到這個困境所以我希望可以在兩個月內提供相關的書面報告給予整體的教育文化委員會的委員我相信所有委員都會關心家庭教育好來下一個\n閱讀的事情我已經跟部長也談過很多次了我現在先回頭看二到六歲因為現在是屬於教育部主管二到六歲其實是在高等認知功能系統的關鍵期不管是他們的閱讀、數學運算、邏輯思考在二到六歲這個階段快速的發展如果我們回到所謂的幼兒園階段到底孩子們可以有什麼呢我們現在看下一頁\n目前我們來看預算因為今天要談預算我們來看在教育部的預算0到2歲有所謂嬰幼兒閱讀禮帶大概花了300萬是由國台圖來執行或者是在2到6歲我們其實沒有看到2到6歲我們看不到國教署也沒有任何的態度可是6到7歲我們知道你們有了新生閱讀禮帶有充實國民中小學圖書計畫在國教法通過的時候我們有了3億但我要先說我覺得這還是太少\n接下來閱推計畫有7500萬還有長書人員專案的預算是在地方政府可是整體的預算我們來看在閱讀其實路外教育部真的很少很少我一再一再一再的拜託部長部長你一定有清楚喔面對3C的困境我們除了增加校內的遊戲場我們增加多元課程的可能我們回到家庭教育但是如何把閱讀作為一種學習方法\n協助現在數位時代的小孩我覺得已經是刻不容緩的任務所以我要再次提出閱讀資源的匱乏這件事情跟整體教育部在這件事情沒有認知到這是自己現在應該做的事情我覺得這是最大的問題那我們來看下一頁\n目前我們找到幼兒園分班基本設施標準裡面我們看到了很棒有寢室、遊戲空間、儲藏空間、配散室、觀察室、資源回收區、生態教學園區其他有利教學活動室空間可是我們沒有談到讀書室其實我們在中小學是有讀書室的\n甚至教育部過往每年都有花所謂社區圖書館的概念去改善學校裡面的圖書館可是我們在幼兒園的部分完全沒有如果我們認為閱讀是從小就要培養起的一個學習方法甚至是面對3C時代的焦慮那我認為我們要從幼兒園就開始所以我也會積極提出下一頁\n我也想要積極提出在幼照法裡面我們也沒有相關人員的培育因為閱讀作為一個方法確實它需要一些專業的訓練我認為這個也是這個時代我們當然要面對的困境所以這個部分我們也會再跟教育部持續的溝通不管是在相關預算或是相關法規的盤點這個部分可不可以請\n教育部的三個月內提供相關規劃報告跟委員報告我上任以後我確實要求我們國教署開始這個閱讀運動要繼續過去我們在2000年開始推閱讀運動我也認可委員剛才所提的\n閱讀對兒童的一個發展、認知的一個發展我想那是最基礎的所以我們也透過這個全國教育局議處所長會議也鼓勵我們地方各級中小學教育的圖書館學校的圖書館搬到一樓然後成為一個社區的一個圖書館所以我們在這個閱讀運動可能是我們過去忽略了可是因為二到六歲這一段那幼兒這個部分我想未來我們來加強\n謝謝部長來接下來我們要講體育的預算來下一頁部長你知道去泰國一張機票多少錢嗎沒關係你不知道其實我也不知道但是我是看了荒謬陳情我才知道目前去泰國機票來回一張大概是一萬到一萬二在體育署的學校新南向計劃裡面大概也是這個預算來看下一頁\n體育署單項協會疑訊參賽平均泰國機票一張是13000到24000當然會因為運動種類的不同使用內容的不同有所差異但這也都還算合理可接受的範圍13000到24000可是我們來看一下足協泰國機票一張30000塊去鹿兒島33000\n如果我拿三萬塊此時此刻我去網站上訂票部長我可以訂到商務艙中華航空的票所以我想問部長你覺得這個經費的使用有沒有問題啊\n在相關的招標公告裡面,我們認為他漫天開講,他的寫法認為有經過招標,可是卻讓台灣足球界基層覺得質疑的是,為什麼足協買的機票都這麼貴,特別貴,而且我們政府還買單。\n然後呢一樣是去泰國的機票招標我們看到橄欖球協會他們自己就知道要訂定票價上限可是一樣是單項協會的足協體育署就讓足協跟旅行社直接用市價行情的三倍去採購也難怪大家會覺得這件事情真的怪怪的而且這邊是經濟艙喔部長我剛剛給你的三萬塊足協花走了三萬塊是商務艙可是在剛剛那個招標案裡面是經濟艙\n好再來看足球轉播部長認為一場足球轉播要多少錢我跟部長快速報告時間有限在2022年以前不管是5人制、11人制、足協的轉播補助金額大概都是跟市場行情相符的可是從2023年以後一場30萬的轉播變成了130萬\n怎麼想都想不到為什麼是這個數字但我們的體育署只能照單全收我認為相關體育預算的執行我們真的要回過頭來好好檢討下一頁到底什麼樣的執行我們會認定它是失控它是不當的我們再來看下一頁\n過去呢111年體育署的6年足球計畫用參賽補助的方法吸引非足球隊伍的報名換隊費造成決算超支1億的問題監察院已經提出糾正了在下一頁但是到了今年現在才11月中體育署在國際體育交流的部分已預算3億9但是執行已經是6億4超支了2億5千萬\n所以今年下半年很多原本要出國的團隊跑來跟我們說他們被體育署告知因為預算的問題所以沒有辦法同意出國或是本來已經通過計劃被喊停如同民間所說的是不是運發基金是體育署官員的小金庫我認為這一定不是部長所可以接受的\n對照去年體育署宣布的國際賽事補助單項協會如果有盈餘不用繳回那我認為問題更大作為立法委員我必須要拜託部長嚴肅提醒教育部體育署不行也不應該成為單項協會的提款機而且相關的事情我覺得越來越多\n但我們對待選手卻越來越小氣有太多選手的狀況需要被解決但是單項協會把我們政府部門當成提款機的情況卻越來越嚴重部長我可不可以讓您簡單回答一下謝謝委員的一個提醒我想我非常認同委員剛才所說的我們應該在整個程序招標的一些包含價格應該\n公務人員應該有先期的了解訂出公開招標合理的價格或相關規範包含補助因為我也知道COVID-19以後許多大型的國際賽會確實是比較多的但是這跟經費上是\n內部檢討內機內控\n陳培宇委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.729 --> 00:03.790\n請陳培宇委員質詢好,謝謝主席,有請教育部政部長\n\n00:26.894 --> 00:49.376\n主席好還有委員好是部長早安很多的題目我今天就抓幾個我覺得是我們在看教育部新年度的預算的時候我們覺得比較有疑義的地方第一個是關於家庭教育的部分部長你應該記得我從總質詢的時候就開始一直談家庭教育我們來看一下下一頁我們幫教育部快速算了一下目前的編列是比去年多了278億\n\n00:51.098 --> 01:16.952\n那可是在終身教育的部分只編了80億按照教育部如果書面資料的說明你們說比去年多了8.7%那可是呢整體的教育部的經費我必須要說只編了80億它的困境是什麼呢是終身教育原本在教育部的理解跟我們一般人的理解當中它應該是涵蓋學生離開校園一直到生命結束應該都是屬於終身教育的部分\n\n01:17.532 --> 01:35.872\n在往下看,如果是這樣算,我們來看你們目前的編法呢。終身教育大部分的錢都被放在圖書館、博物館、社教機構等相關管社上。實體投資在教育上面的經費只有13.8,其中家庭教育相關的經費只有3億一點點。\n\n01:38.374 --> 02:04.945\n等於教育部明年要放在家庭教育的預算只佔整體教育經費不到千分之一可是不論是全教總、老師團體們或者是其實很多家長也已經提出訴求家庭教育必須教育部要承擔起責任所以如果來看現在教育部用來推行家庭教育的預算再把各縣市政府的補助扣掉其實留在中央只剩下6000多萬\n\n02:06.843 --> 02:15.472\n而這6000多萬是我們整體教育部要以中央的角度去支持家庭教育的部分部長你覺得這樣可以嗎這是一個問題很大的問題\n\n02:17.955 --> 02:46.585\n是在家庭教育這個確實是我們整個學校教育能夠順利推展的穩定力量那我想這一個部分如果經費上他的一個所需我們會內部來自己看怎麼樣來協助我覺得非常多年以來整個國家都認為生養小孩的責任在家庭在父母親但是我們也知道這幾年來其實已經很多的家長提出他們的困境提出他們的需求但是我們政府有沒有聽到他們正在求救\n\n02:47.986 --> 02:56.878\n教育部不可以再用過往的觀念認為小孩生了是家庭自己的責任是爸媽自己的責任我們從昨天在勞動部那邊我們一直在跟勞動部談彈性的放假彈性的工時讓家長更多彈性可以照顧小孩\n\n03:03.687 --> 03:27.282\n我認為回到教育部這邊我們家庭教育的預算實在是不能再這樣編下去當然立法委員沒有職權去擴張這個預算但是我們必須要積極的要求教育部必須要再更積極我認為這個相關的演繹必須要繼續那我們來看從家庭教育預算不足衍生另外一個荒謬的問題這是這兩天我們才收到的一個陳情在六都\n\n03:27.782 --> 03:37.285\n某一個縣市推過渡性教育措施事辦計劃,請學校輔導人員、本市學輔資中心專任輔導人員持續輔導諮商工作,還叫這些人去做家庭輔導工作,強化家長瓜胡主要照顧者的親職教養能力\n\n03:53.189 --> 03:54.530\n二、審查114年度教育部總預算案有關教育部主管47所屬單位預算案\n\n04:23.289 --> 04:33.821\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機二、審查114年度教育部所屬機\n\n04:45.593 --> 05:04.346\n發現家庭教育很重要,會因著發現學府資中心的工作量人太多而要求學府資中心的人繼續去強化家庭教育但那本來應該是縣市政府有家庭教育中心本來就已經有拿走了錢、拿走了預算但是家庭教育中心該做的事情不做推給學府資中心,再再顯示家庭教育的困境不是嗎?部長\n\n05:04.986 --> 05:19.133\n我完全同意因為各地方縣市政府本來都有家庭教育中心所以我不知道是縣市政府誤會了學府資中心的功能還是放任家庭教育中心該作為而沒有作為然後甚至這個事情最後要來我要來到這邊跟教育部討論\n\n05:22.234 --> 05:28.881\n二、審查114年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管\n\n05:39.272 --> 06:03.429\n家庭教育的需求出現了而家庭教育中心承接不住而在中央的終身教育司又沒有意識到自己在這件事情上有監督的責任有編列預算的責任甚至我們還聽到教育部的人告訴我們就是沒有錢啊沒有錢就不能做啊那如果是這樣是不是我們乾脆就放棄家庭教育這一塊我們就正式的對外宣告家庭教育不再是我們教育部的責任我認為這一定不是部長您的想法\n\n06:03.669 --> 06:20.433\n各位委員包括確實我進來的時候也看到了這個家庭教育中心的功能應該怎麼樣來更積極來推動各項的一些親子之間的許多的一些發展性的一些功能所以我其實在這個部分我還特別拜託我們這個市長\n\n06:22.614 --> 06:44.980\n一定在這個部份在未來要有更積極的一些看起來今年的預算我還是看不出積極的作為部長我想我們後續會再來討論我一定會在這個部份有一個更積極的一些好謝謝部長非常正面的承諾所以你看到這個困境所以我希望可以在兩個月內提供相關的書面報告給予整體的教育文化委員會的委員我相信所有委員都會關心家庭教育好來下一個\n\n06:46.100 --> 07:05.830\n閱讀的事情我已經跟部長也談過很多次了我現在先回頭看二到六歲因為現在是屬於教育部主管二到六歲其實是在高等認知功能系統的關鍵期不管是他們的閱讀、數學運算、邏輯思考在二到六歲這個階段快速的發展如果我們回到所謂的幼兒園階段到底孩子們可以有什麼呢我們現在看下一頁\n\n07:06.670 --> 07:25.875\n目前我們來看預算因為今天要談預算我們來看在教育部的預算0到2歲有所謂嬰幼兒閱讀禮帶大概花了300萬是由國台圖來執行或者是在2到6歲我們其實沒有看到2到6歲我們看不到國教署也沒有任何的態度可是6到7歲我們知道你們有了新生閱讀禮帶有充實國民中小學圖書計畫在國教法通過的時候我們有了3億但我要先說我覺得這還是太少\n\n07:31.536 --> 07:55.681\n接下來閱推計畫有7500萬還有長書人員專案的預算是在地方政府可是整體的預算我們來看在閱讀其實路外教育部真的很少很少我一再一再一再的拜託部長部長你一定有清楚喔面對3C的困境我們除了增加校內的遊戲場我們增加多元課程的可能我們回到家庭教育但是如何把閱讀作為一種學習方法\n\n07:56.421 --> 08:11.033\n協助現在數位時代的小孩我覺得已經是刻不容緩的任務所以我要再次提出閱讀資源的匱乏這件事情跟整體教育部在這件事情沒有認知到這是自己現在應該做的事情我覺得這是最大的問題那我們來看下一頁\n\n08:11.693 --> 08:26.508\n目前我們找到幼兒園分班基本設施標準裡面我們看到了很棒有寢室、遊戲空間、儲藏空間、配散室、觀察室、資源回收區、生態教學園區其他有利教學活動室空間可是我們沒有談到讀書室其實我們在中小學是有讀書室的\n\n08:27.549 --> 08:47.921\n甚至教育部過往每年都有花所謂社區圖書館的概念去改善學校裡面的圖書館可是我們在幼兒園的部分完全沒有如果我們認為閱讀是從小就要培養起的一個學習方法甚至是面對3C時代的焦慮那我認為我們要從幼兒園就開始所以我也會積極提出下一頁\n\n08:48.641 --> 09:05.776\n我也想要積極提出在幼照法裡面我們也沒有相關人員的培育因為閱讀作為一個方法確實它需要一些專業的訓練我認為這個也是這個時代我們當然要面對的困境所以這個部分我們也會再跟教育部持續的溝通不管是在相關預算或是相關法規的盤點這個部分可不可以請\n\n09:08.438 --> 09:16.207\n教育部的三個月內提供相關規劃報告跟委員報告我上任以後我確實要求我們國教署開始這個閱讀運動要繼續過去我們在2000年開始推閱讀運動我也認可委員剛才所提的\n\n09:26.077 --> 09:47.487\n閱讀對兒童的一個發展、認知的一個發展我想那是最基礎的所以我們也透過這個全國教育局議處所長會議也鼓勵我們地方各級中小學教育的圖書館學校的圖書館搬到一樓然後成為一個社區的一個圖書館所以我們在這個閱讀運動可能是我們過去忽略了可是因為二到六歲這一段那幼兒這個部分我想未來我們來加強\n\n09:54.430 --> 10:15.232\n謝謝部長來接下來我們要講體育的預算來下一頁部長你知道去泰國一張機票多少錢嗎沒關係你不知道其實我也不知道但是我是看了荒謬陳情我才知道目前去泰國機票來回一張大概是一萬到一萬二在體育署的學校新南向計劃裡面大概也是這個預算來看下一頁\n\n10:16.257 --> 10:22.621\n體育署單項協會疑訊參賽平均泰國機票一張是13000到24000當然會因為運動種類的不同使用內容的不同有所差異但這也都還算合理可接受的範圍13000到24000可是我們來看一下足協泰國機票一張30000塊去鹿兒島33000\n\n10:39.150 --> 10:50.427\n如果我拿三萬塊此時此刻我去網站上訂票部長我可以訂到商務艙中華航空的票所以我想問部長你覺得這個經費的使用有沒有問題啊\n\n10:52.788 --> 10:57.172\n在相關的招標公告裡面,我們認為他漫天開講,他的寫法認為有經過招標,可是卻讓台灣足球界基層覺得質疑的是,為什麼足協買的機票都這麼貴,特別貴,而且我們政府還買單。\n\n11:17.009 --> 11:37.899\n然後呢一樣是去泰國的機票招標我們看到橄欖球協會他們自己就知道要訂定票價上限可是一樣是單項協會的足協體育署就讓足協跟旅行社直接用市價行情的三倍去採購也難怪大家會覺得這件事情真的怪怪的而且這邊是經濟艙喔部長我剛剛給你的三萬塊足協花走了三萬塊是商務艙可是在剛剛那個招標案裡面是經濟艙\n\n11:45.783 --> 12:00.627\n好再來看足球轉播部長認為一場足球轉播要多少錢我跟部長快速報告時間有限在2022年以前不管是5人制、11人制、足協的轉播補助金額大概都是跟市場行情相符的可是從2023年以後一場30萬的轉播變成了130萬\n\n12:05.228 --> 12:21.520\n怎麼想都想不到為什麼是這個數字但我們的體育署只能照單全收我認為相關體育預算的執行我們真的要回過頭來好好檢討下一頁到底什麼樣的執行我們會認定它是失控它是不當的我們再來看下一頁\n\n12:22.581 --> 12:50.363\n過去呢111年體育署的6年足球計畫用參賽補助的方法吸引非足球隊伍的報名換隊費造成決算超支1億的問題監察院已經提出糾正了在下一頁但是到了今年現在才11月中體育署在國際體育交流的部分已預算3億9但是執行已經是6億4超支了2億5千萬\n\n12:51.864 --> 13:11.469\n所以今年下半年很多原本要出國的團隊跑來跟我們說他們被體育署告知因為預算的問題所以沒有辦法同意出國或是本來已經通過計劃被喊停如同民間所說的是不是運發基金是體育署官員的小金庫我認為這一定不是部長所可以接受的\n\n13:12.209 --> 13:31.250\n對照去年體育署宣布的國際賽事補助單項協會如果有盈餘不用繳回那我認為問題更大作為立法委員我必須要拜託部長嚴肅提醒教育部體育署不行也不應該成為單項協會的提款機而且相關的事情我覺得越來越多\n\n13:31.690 --> 13:53.037\n但我們對待選手卻越來越小氣有太多選手的狀況需要被解決但是單項協會把我們政府部門當成提款機的情況卻越來越嚴重部長我可不可以讓您簡單回答一下謝謝委員的一個提醒我想我非常認同委員剛才所說的我們應該在整個程序招標的一些包含價格應該\n\n13:54.897 --> 14:11.335\n公務人員應該有先期的了解訂出公開招標合理的價格或相關規範包含補助因為我也知道COVID-19以後許多大型的國際賽會確實是比較多的但是這跟經費上是\n\n14:17.441 --> 14:17.661\n內部檢討內機內控\n\n14:35.049 --> 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會認定它是失控它是不當的我們再來看下一頁"},{"start":742.581,"end":770.363,"text":"過去呢111年體育署的6年足球計畫用參賽補助的方法吸引非足球隊伍的報名換隊費造成決算超支1億的問題監察院已經提出糾正了在下一頁但是到了今年現在才11月中體育署在國際體育交流的部分已預算3億9但是執行已經是6億4超支了2億5千萬"},{"start":771.864,"end":791.469,"text":"所以今年下半年很多原本要出國的團隊跑來跟我們說他們被體育署告知因為預算的問題所以沒有辦法同意出國或是本來已經通過計劃被喊停如同民間所說的是不是運發基金是體育署官員的小金庫我認為這一定不是部長所可以接受的"},{"start":792.209,"end":811.25,"text":"對照去年體育署宣布的國際賽事補助單項協會如果有盈餘不用繳回那我認為問題更大作為立法委員我必須要拜託部長嚴肅提醒教育部體育署不行也不應該成為單項協會的提款機而且相關的事情我覺得越來越多"},{"start":811.69,"end":833.037,"text":"但我們對待選手卻越來越小氣有太多選手的狀況需要被解決但是單項協會把我們政府部門當成提款機的情況卻越來越嚴重部長我可不可以讓您簡單回答一下謝謝委員的一個提醒我想我非常認同委員剛才所說的我們應該在整個程序招標的一些包含價格應該"},{"start":834.897,"end":851.335,"text":"公務人員應該有先期的了解訂出公開招標合理的價格或相關規範包含補助因為我也知道COVID-19以後許多大型的國際賽會確實是比較多的但是這跟經費上是"},{"start":857.441,"end":857.661,"text":"內部檢討內機內控"},{"start":875.049,"end":875.229,"text":"陳培宇委員"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":343,"blocks":[["陳委員培瑜：（10時11分）謝謝主席，有請教育部鄭部長。"],["主席：有請鄭部長。"],["鄭部長英耀：主席好、委員好。"],["陳委員培瑜：部長早安。有很多題目，我今天就抓幾個是我們在看教育部新年度預算的時候覺得比較有疑慮的地方，第一個，關於家庭教育的部分，部長，你應該記得我從總質詢就開始一直在談家庭教育。我們幫教育部快速算了一下，目前的編列是比去年多了278億，可是在終身教育的部分只編了80億。按照教育部書面資料的說明，你們說比去年多了百分之八點七，可是相較於整體的教育部經費，我必須要說只編了80億的困境會是什麼呢？終身教育原本在教育部的理解與一般人的理解當中，應該是涵蓋學生離開校園一直到生命結束，都是屬於終身教育的部分。再來，如果是這樣，我們來看你們目前的編法，終身教育大部分的錢都被放在圖書館、博物館、社教機構等相關館舍上，實體投資在教育上面的經費只有13.8億，其中家庭教育相關經費只有三億多一點點，等於教育部明年要放在家庭教育的預算只占整體教育經費不到千分之一。","可是不論是全教總、老師團體們或很多家長們都已經提出訴求，教育部必須要承擔起家庭教育的責任，所以現在教育部用來推行家庭教育的預算，再把各縣市政府的補助扣掉，其實留在中央的只剩下六千多萬，而這六千多萬是整體教育部要以中央的角度去支持家庭教育的部分，部長，你覺得這樣可以嗎？這是一個很大的問題。"],["鄭部長英耀：家庭教育確實是整個學校教育能夠順利推展的穩定力量，這個部分如果經費上有所需，我們內部會看看怎麼樣來協助。"],["陳委員培瑜：我覺得非常多年以來，整個國家都認為生養小孩的責任在家庭、在父母親，但是我們也知道這幾年來已經很多家長提出他們的困境、提出他們的需求，我們政府有沒有聽到他們正在求救？我認為教育部不可以再用過往的觀念，認為小孩生了是家庭自己的責任、是爸媽自己的責任。我們昨天一直在跟勞動部談彈性放假、彈性工時，讓家長有更多彈性可以照顧小孩，回到教育部這邊，我認為家庭教育的預算實在是不能再這樣編下去，當然立法委員沒有職權去擴張這個預算，但是我們必須要積極的要求教育部要再更積極，我認為相關的研議必須要繼續。","我們來看從家庭教育預算不足衍生另外一個荒謬的問題，這是這兩天我們才收到的陳情，在六都某一個縣市要推動過渡性教育措施試辦計畫，其中有一個要點竟然是請學校輔導人員、本市學輔諮商中心專業輔導人員持續輔導諮商工作，這沒有問題，但是它還叫這些人去做家庭輔導工作，強化家長（主要照顧者）的親職教養能力。我們在修學輔法的時候已經發現學輔諮商中心工作量能超級大負載了，結果六都某一個主要縣市竟然在過渡性教育措施裡面還要求學輔諮商中心的人去做家庭教育，一定是因為他們也意識到家庭教育很重要。可是如同我剛剛跟部長說的，這個辦法不僅荒謬，更在在顯示了家庭教育的困境，所以部長，這件事情也很荒謬，你自己看到有沒有覺得很荒謬？這是這兩天我們才收到的喔！"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員關心過渡性教育的小孩，我想他確實是需要有更多的一些協助，事後我們再來瞭解地方的想法。"],["陳委員培瑜：這只是其中一個，我認為你們應該還要去通盤檢討到底22個縣市政府裡面有多少學輔諮商中心，會因著發現家庭教育很重要，會因著發現學輔諮商中心的工作量能太多，而要求學輔諮商中心的人繼續去強化家庭教育？但縣市政府本來就有家庭教育中心，它本來就已經拿走了錢、拿走了預算，但是家庭教育中心該做的事情不做，推給學輔諮商中心，在在顯示家庭教育的困境，不是嗎？部長。"],["鄭部長英耀：我完全同意，因為各地方縣市政府本來都有家庭教育中心。"],["陳委員培瑜：所以我不知道是縣市政府誤會了學輔諮商中心的功能，還是放任家庭教育中心該作為而沒有作為？甚至這個事情最後我要拿到這邊跟教育部討論。"],["鄭部長英耀：委員所提的這個個案、這個案例，在我們更完整瞭解之後……"],["陳委員培瑜：我認為它不會只是個案，22個縣市政府到底有多麼荒謬……"],["鄭部長英耀：我們先以這個個案來瞭解地方上的一些想像、困境或者它需要什麼，我們再來調整……"],["陳委員培瑜：我覺得就是整體家庭教育的需求出現了，而家庭教育中心承接不住，在中央的終身教育司又沒有意識到自己在這件事情上有監督的責任、有編列預算的責任，甚至我們還聽到教育部的人告訴我們就是沒有錢，沒有錢就不能做，如果是這樣，我們是不是乾脆就放棄家庭教育這一塊？我們正式對外宣告，家庭教育不再是我們教育部的責任，我認為這一定不是部長的想法，對吧？"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告，確實我進來的時候也看到了家庭教育中心的功能，應該怎麼樣更積極來推動各項親職之間許多發展性的功能，所以其實在這個部分我還特別拜託司長，未來一定要有更積極的一些……"],["陳委員培瑜：從今年的預算看起來，我還是看不出積極的作為，部長，我想我們後續會再來討論。"],["鄭部長英耀：明年我在這個部分一定會有一個更積極的……"],["陳委員培瑜：謝謝部長非常正面的承諾，所以你看到了這個困境，所以我希望可以在兩個月內，提供相關的書面報告，給予整體的教育及文化委員會委員，我相信所有委員都會關心家庭教育。","閱讀的事情，我已經跟部長談過很多次了，我現在先回頭談2到6歲，因為現在是屬於教育部主管，2到6歲其實是高等認知功能系統的關鍵期，不管是他們的閱讀、數學運算、邏輯思考，在2到6歲這個階段快速的發展。如果我們回到所謂的幼兒園階段，到底孩子們可以有什麼呢？我們來看預算，因為今天要談預算，在教育部的預算中，0零到2歲有所謂嬰幼兒閱讀禮袋，大概花了300萬，是由國臺圖來執行；或者是2到6歲，我們其實也沒有看到國教署有任何的態度；可是6到7歲，我們知道你們有了新生閱讀禮袋、有充實國民中小學圖書計畫，在國教法通過的時候，我們有了3億，但我要先說，我覺得還是太少；接下來閱推計畫有7,500萬；還有藏書及專業人員的預算是在地方政府，可是整體的預算來看，在閱讀的部分，其實落在教育部真的很少很少，我一再一再一再的拜託部長，部長，你一定清楚，面對3C的困境，我們除了增加校內的遊戲場，增加多元課程的可能，我們回到家庭教育，但是如何把閱讀作為一種學習方法，協助現在數位時代的小孩，我覺得已經是刻不容緩的任務，所以我要再次提出，閱讀資源匱乏及在這件事情上，教育部沒有認知到這是自己現在應該做的事情，我覺得這是最大的問題。","目前我們找到了幼兒園及其分班基本設施設備標準，很棒，裡面我們看到了有寢室、遊戲空間、儲藏空間、配膳室、觀察室、資源回收區、生態教學園區、其他有利教學活動之空間，可是我們沒有談到圖書室。其實我們在中小學是有圖書室的，甚至教育部過往每年都有花錢對於所謂社區圖書館的概念，去改善學校裡面的圖書館，可是我們在幼兒園的部分卻完全沒有，如果我們認為閱讀是從小就要培養起的一個學習方法，甚至去面對3C時代的焦慮，我認為我們要從幼兒園就開始。所以我也會積極提出，在幼教法裡面，我們也沒有相關人員的培育，因為閱讀作為一個方法，確實它需要一些專業的訓練，我認為這也是這個時代我們大人要面對的困境。所以這個部分，我們也會再跟教育部持續的溝通，不管是在相關預算或是相關法規的盤點，這個部分可不可以請教育部在3個月內提供相關規劃報告？"],["鄭部長英耀：跟委員報告。我上任以後，確實有要求我們國教署這個閱讀運動要繼續，我們在2000年開始推閱讀運動，我也認可委員剛才所提的閱讀對兒童認知的發展，我想那是最基礎的，所以我們會透過全國教育局處首長會議，也鼓勵我們地方各級中小學學校的圖書館搬到一樓，然後成為一個社區的圖書館"],["陳委員培瑜：對，這個我知道，教育部過去都有在做，我剛剛提到幼兒的部分，可能是我們過去忽略了，可是因為2到6歲這一段，我覺得現在既然加進教育部的業務……"],["鄭部長英耀：幼兒這個部分，未來我們來加強。"],["陳委員培瑜：好，謝謝部長。接下來我們講體育的預算，部長，你知道去泰國一張機票多少錢嗎？沒關係，你不知道，其實我也不知道，但是在看了荒謬的陳情後，我才知道。目前去泰國來回機票一張大概是1萬到1萬2,000，在體育署的學校新南向計畫裡面，大概也是這個預算，體育署單項協會移訓參賽中，泰國機票平均一張是1萬3,000到2萬4,000，當然會因為運動種類的不同，使用內容的不同而有所差異，但這也都還算是合理可接受的範圍，1萬3,000到2萬4,000。","部長，我們來看一下足協，他們泰國機票一張買3萬塊，去鹿兒島3萬3,000，如果此時此刻，我拿3萬塊去網站上訂票，我可以訂到中華航空商務艙的票。所以我想問部長，你覺得這個經費使用有沒有問題？"],["鄭部長英耀：我想詳細的部分是不是能夠先請……"],["陳委員培瑜：沒關係，我再讓你往下看，在相關招標公告裡面，我們認為它漫天開價。它認為這是有經過招標的，可是讓臺灣足球界基層覺得質疑的是，為什麼足協買的機票都這麼貴、特別貴，而且我們政府還買單！一樣是去泰國的機票招標，我們看到橄欖球協會，他們自己就知道要訂定票價上限，可是一樣是單項協會的足協，體育署就讓足協跟旅行社直接用市價行情的3倍去採購，也難怪大家會覺得這件事情真的是怪怪的，而且這邊談的是經濟艙，部長，我剛剛提的3萬塊，足協花掉的3萬塊買的是商務艙，可是在剛剛那個招標案裡面買的卻是經濟艙。","再來看足球轉播，部長認為一場足球轉播要多少錢，我跟部長快速報告，時間有限。在2022年以前，不管是5人制或11人制，足協的轉播補助金額大概都是跟市場行情相符的，可是在2023年以後，一場30萬的轉播變成了130萬，怎麼想都想不到為什麼是這個數字，但我們的體育署只能照單全收。我認為相關體育預算的執行，我們真的要回過頭來好好檢討，到底什麼樣的執行，我們會認定它是失控的、它是不當的？過去111年體育署的6年足球計畫，以參賽補助的方法，吸引非足球隊伍報名換隊費，造成決算超支1億的問題，監察院已經提出糾正了。但是到了今年，現在才11月中，體育署在國際體育交流的部分，預算是3億9,000，但是已經執行6億4,000，超支了2億5,000萬，所以今年下半年，很多原本要出國的團隊跑來跟我們說，他們被體育署告知，因為預算的問題，所以沒有辦法同意出國，或是本來已經通過的計畫被喊停。是不是如同民間所說的，運發基金是體育署官員的小金庫？我認為這一定不是部長可以接受的。對照去年體育署宣布的國際賽事補助單項協會，如果有盈餘不用繳回，我認為問題更大，作為立法委員，我必須拜託部長，並嚴肅地提醒教育部，體育署不行，也不應該成為單項協會的提款機，而且相關的事情我覺得越來越多，但我們對待選手卻越來越小氣，有太多選手的狀況需要被解決，但是單項協會把我們政府部門當成提款機的情況卻越來越嚴重，部長我可不可以讓您簡單回應一下？"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員的提醒，我非常認同委員剛才所說的，我們應該在整個招標程序上包含價格等等，我們公務人員應該有一個先期的瞭解，然後訂出一個合理的公開招標價格或者一些相關的規範，包含補助的部分，因為我也知道，COVID-19以後許多的大型國際賽會，確實是比較多的，但是這跟經費……"],["陳委員培瑜：部長，我跟你說，因為主席已經站起來了，這跟COVID-19沒有關係，我剛剛已經給你看了，那個3萬塊已經可以買到華航商務艙……"],["鄭部長英耀：是，瞭解，這部分我完全認同……"],["陳委員培瑜：部長，我這邊有積極的條列出來相關的資料，拜託教育部帶回去。"],["鄭部長英耀：我們內部來檢討，在內稽內控這部分，我們應該要更精進。"],["陳委員培瑜：最後，主席，再1分鐘，要談跟性別有關的事情。"],["主席：沒有辦法再1分鐘，因為已經超過了。"],["陳委員培瑜：抱歉、抱歉。全民運5人制足球項目，我們收到一個陳情……"],["主席：培瑜委員，因為你已經超過滿多的，下次再問好嗎？"],["陳委員培瑜：我再把相關資料提供出來，然後下次再問。謝謝部長，謝謝主席。"],["鄭部長英耀：委員，會後給我們，我們會來處理。"],["主席：部長請回，署長請回，謝謝陳培瑜委員。下一位請林倩綺委員質詢，在陳秀寳委員質詢完之後，我們休息15分鐘。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":422,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-8","speakers":["范雲","洪孟楷","葛如鈞","萬美玲","陳培瑜","林倩綺","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","林宜瑾","張雅琳","吳沛憶","黃健豪","吳思瑤","林德福","王育敏","陳昭姿","涂權吉","楊瓊瓔","吳春城","羅智強","林月琴","羅廷瑋","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","葉元之","陳俊宇","翁曉玲","柯志恩","邱志偉","何欣純"],"page_start":339,"meetingDate":["2024-11-14"],"gazette_id":"1139901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139901_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部及所屬單位預算案；二、審查114年度教育部主管\n47 所國立大學校院校務基金、國立臺灣大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基\n金、國立陽明交通大學附設醫院作業基金、教育部所屬機構作業基金、國立高級中等學校校務基\n金、學產基金、運動發展基金、私立高級中等以上學校退場基金；三、審查114年度行政法人國\n家運動訓練中心預算案；四、審查114年度行政法人國家運動科學中心預算案（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"1139901_00006"}}}