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00:02:25,949\n公務及基金預算公務及基金預算公務及基金預算\n\n8\n00:02:49,119 --> 00:03:06,289\n他們是我們排灣組的發祥第一個部落在那裡結果如果我要去那邊我都要考慮說我等一下去那邊是不是又要跟蒼蠅在一起又要跟那些異位在一起請問對他們來講是非常的可憐所以請你能夠針對這個普峰公司能夠做一個研究可以嗎\n\n9\n00:03:06,829 --> 00:03:31,287\n好可以委員其實也怪我看了很多個類似這樣的案例已經有一些新的做法做那普峰是台灣很大型的企業那我有找機會我也去看一下通常我們都很羨慕人家說日本的什麼養雞場什麼養豬場都沒有意味然後還可以聽音樂我們不想這麼天堂的事情那我們先解決部落的問題好不好\n\n10\n00:03:31,747 --> 00:03:32,548\n第二就是我們關山那個\n\n11\n00:03:59,620 --> 00:04:22,021\n不是,就是我有去參加關山的那個戰備跑道不過去關心我們台東市那個噪音的管制那個補助的一個方法他現在國防部的噪音補助是根據他們國防部的一個規定可是這麼多年來沒有改變過我希望環境部能夠針對台東市的這個噪音能夠做一個研究\n\n12\n00:04:22,642 --> 00:04:50,594\n因為現在我們如果是增加10分貝的話是10倍20分貝的話是100倍30分貝的話是1000倍這樣的方式來去研究每一個里那個按照那個軍用機場叫自航基地那個每5公里或是每1公里那個分貝數去研究一下他們現在在那邊開民宿業者沒有人要去住啊因為噪音太大如果去那邊睡覺根本沒辦法睡覺所以我是希望他們這個噪音補償能夠用民航的規定現在是用\n\n13\n00:04:51,654 --> 00:04:52,814\n公務及基金預算案關於環境部主管預算\n\n14\n00:05:21,752 --> 00:05:35,862\nbicyn針加了大概百分之七十二點三四我希望你們就針對這個部分可以做好好的研究而不是只是畫一個噪音什麼航空噪音管制區而已是應該是應該有一個很清楚的距離這個機場\n\n15\n00:05:37,723 --> 00:06:06,098\n五百公尺一公里兩公里的話他的分貝是多少而這做這樣的補償可以嗎OK報告委員這個是這個計畫是針對那個騎重機那個autobike去加長集合的啦不是這個機場的噪音我知道因為就一般的民眾來講他們沒有這樣的設備去檢測他到底噪音對他的生活的影響嘛那是不是台東那邊也可以做一個這樣的一個研究讓他們做補償有一個依據我們請問我們大氣石市長\n\n16\n00:06:06,898 --> 00:06:20,998\n跟那個委員報告目前那個軍用航空機場的噪音國防部這邊每一個就是機場每一個每一季會把這個噪音監測結果報到環保局這邊來然後如果說整個民眾的疑慮是說它是用24小時當然是24小時的話是\n\n17\n00:06:24,002 --> 00:06:39,384\n第……那個啊。因為照樣量測有個規定,如果說委員這邊有建議的話,那我們可以找黃旺群我們再測一次,我們測一次是10天,10天坐下來,然後去評估說他的照樣等級到哪裡。\n\n18\n00:06:40,305 --> 00:06:41,767\n二、邀請環境部部長列席報告案2案\n\n19\n00:06:59,167 --> 00:07:22,510\n沒有因為地域的關係而做更改所以我們希望有一個等級嘛有一個級距可以嗎我們兩個一個良策部分我們再安排一下那公務部那部分我們因為補助是他們那邊主導的最後也是募領的部分也就是關山鎮月美堆肥廠他們在11月6號民眾有到那邊無論是議員還有部門主人去那邊抗議說\n\n20\n00:07:23,551 --> 00:07:24,572\nbicyclone\n\n21\n00:07:53,351 --> 00:08:21,142\n學校距離不到500公尺那以後學校上課的話真的是要緊閉門窗還要開空調還要開空氣清淨機這些費用都誰要來支付?其實因為關山鎮他們鎮長是非常積極是改善畜牧業養豬廢水的所以我們也要一起來瞭解一下這個部分要通盤檢討要對策可以嗎?如果它勢必要蓋的話你要一個因應的方案募領的方案可以嗎?我們這邊來研究一下謝謝委員謝謝\n\n22\n00:08:24,720 --> 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