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00:02:21,715\n但是因為川普上來之後川普保護主義再起尤其他要全面性的提高關稅會衝擊到美國的通貨膨脹就是這個數字恐怕就沒有辦法像現在維持的這麼好所以也\n\n8\n00:02:29,864 --> 00:02:40,194\n也進而影響到Fed他可能原來他的一個假期的tempo會被完全打亂我這樣講對不對是是是委員講得非常好所以總裁擔心的就是這一點是是是就是50%的這個部分那個uncertainty還是存在的\n\n9\n00:02:49,544 --> 00:03:12,270\n所以其實全世界的中央銀行維持這個通貨膨脹不能夠超出這個控制都是天職那所以Fed它有它的不穩定性所以在這邊我也想請教總裁那麼如果就台灣回到台灣層面來講你最concern的是什麼你最擔心影響台灣的這個經貿的點是什麼\n\n10\n00:03:17,411 --> 00:03:43,664\n我想這個就是說因為第一個就是說我們對美國的順差是一直持續在上漲而且速度快我看到最新數字已經超過800億美元你剛剛你這個數字是一到九月份可是最新的今年我看搞不好到一千億了沒有不會啦不會啊今年大概多好今年我們貿易順暢我們就是只有五百多億五百多億對啦五百多億\n\n11\n00:03:45,285 --> 00:03:59,020\n其實今年台灣對美貿易順差我們這邊有那個美國商務部我們這邊有一個美國商務部他給我們的一個數據這個我們做了一個projection\n\n12\n00:04:00,942 --> 00:04:16,138\n我看到了對對對那在這裡呢我們有做一個projection2024年是633因為他不是商品他的一個匯率報告裡面的一個標準呢不是只有商品還有包括拉霧商品\n\n13\n00:04:16,678 --> 00:04:17,439\n中央銀行預估500億美元\n\n14\n00:04:34,301 --> 00:04:51,918\n台灣未來的通貨膨脹可不可以像現在把它維持得比較好因為我們現在的通貨膨脹率CPI已經把它降到2%以下了嘛對不對那麼在川普上來之後那麼我們的通貨膨脹率有沒有可能\n\n15\n00:04:54,810 --> 00:05:06,738\n又比較難控制因為最近最近台幣爆量貶值嘛是今天已經三我不曉得今天是多少32點幾差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多\n\n16\n00:05:10,280 --> 00:05:35,030\n那所以臺幣貶值還有全球包含因為最重要是Fed如果他也沒有繼續的降息然後事實上美國的通貨膨脹再起所以對台灣的通貨膨脹影響是什麼?總裁我跟委員報告事實上我們台灣的通膨不是說美國的通膨我們一定是通膨不見得\n\n17\n00:05:36,410 --> 00:05:51,903\n臺灣的通膨主要是是那個裸物包括汽油啦、農產品啦這些的就是供給面的這些那你看看我就說所以呢川普一上來的有因為川普有一個政策呢對於這個\n\n18\n00:05:53,984 --> 00:05:56,986\n結能減碳的一個的產業呢他比較不care他還是比較promote傳統的那個能源的政策對啊能源的政策呢美國你看他就生產那個石油啊還有那個天然氣\n\n19\n00:06:10,155 --> 00:06:12,977\n所以川普一上台就說希望國外多買美國內運所以私有的價格你看看期貨掉到40塊這對我們是比較好可是總裁我要問你\n\n20\n00:06:29,208 --> 00:06:48,735\n美國要增加對美國的採購當然軍需品這一塊已經是無庸置疑的現在傳出一種說法因為我們的能源就是像我們天然氣主要的進口的地方是來自印尼亞洲地區因為比較便宜因為它中資要從用船運過來但是我們現在有一個壓力美國也希望台灣多買美國的\n\n21\n00:06:55,037 --> 00:06:55,177\n事實上齁\n\n22\n00:07:15,451 --> 00:07:31,258\n我們就是說那個成本也不是說距離的長它的成本就高了要看它的efficiency它生產的那個efficiency那以美國來講的話它在這一方面它是非常的有效率的\n\n23\n00:07:31,958 --> 00:07:35,743\n所以就是說即使是美國的距離比我們長跟印尼來擺比較但是呢它的貨運它的貨運的如果說它的貨運呢這個比較比較傳奇比較密集成本比較低的話那也不見得啊\n\n24\n00:07:49,981 --> 00:07:53,522\n所以總裁所以你也可以同意我們能源的採購可以從亞洲地區移轉到從美國採購我現在我的意思說不是說也可以移轉那當然這個是經濟部要做的啦因為要大量採購買那小咪咪東西沒有用啦是的我的意思就是說當然就是說經濟部或是台電或中油他必須要評估他的成本效益\n\n25\n00:08:16,387 --> 00:08:16,487\n時間暫停,請財政部長\n\n26\n00:08:44,169 --> 00:08:46,391\n這怎麼回事就要請教您了剛才總裁說最多是3.08明年但是我們的稅入我們稅入明年變得很多成長率高達19.28%如果明年經濟成長率其實主計數也大概差不多3.2左右\n\n27\n00:09:07,245 --> 00:09:16,374\n將行預估3.08就是3%多一點點但是我們可以增加到19.28這樣的一個歲入會不會有點變成不可能的任務\n\n28\n00:09:23,152 --> 00:09:39,013\n跟委員報告我們在編稅入預算的時候稅客收入預算的時候其實我們參考的項目很多當然經濟成長率是一個因素還有包含其他民間的消費以及稅制的調整都是包含在內的\n\n29\n00:09:40,683 --> 00:09:44,709\n可是那個時候也沒有這麼高的預期我要講的是因為明年度的我們的稅出膨脹非常高那當然你同樣的也把稅入調得很高這個稅入的基礎啊\n\n30\n00:09:56,306 --> 00:10:16,294\n其實真的我們一般稅入基礎要考慮到未來的經濟成長率其實在明年包含剛才總裁特別提到他都非常擔心明年其實很多事情都不確定那我們現在的出口很好我們現在出口都還是紅字但是能不能繼續紅字其實有很多專家學者已經開始在擔心了\n\n31\n00:10:16,974 --> 00:10:20,115\n所以當然對我們來講我歲入我沒有辦法砍你嘛但是我是提醒你我們現在編高達19.28%年增率的一個歲入事實上是非常有高風險的\n\n32\n00:10:32,239 --> 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譬如說關稅的影響 那個部分可能是最大的所以總裁你剛才一直擔心就是說本來大家預期呢 本來大家應該是放歌吧就是應該會逐步的降息 因為他的通貨膨脹已經得到一定的控制\n但是因為川普上來之後川普保護主義再起尤其他要全面性的提高關稅會衝擊到美國的通貨膨脹就是這個數字恐怕就沒有辦法像現在維持的這麼好所以也\n也進而影響到Fed他可能原來他的一個假期的tempo會被完全打亂我這樣講對不對是是是委員講得非常好所以總裁擔心的就是這一點是是是就是50%的這個部分那個uncertainty還是存在的\n所以其實全世界的中央銀行維持這個通貨膨脹不能夠超出這個控制都是天職那所以Fed它有它的不穩定性所以在這邊我也想請教總裁那麼如果就台灣回到台灣層面來講你最concern的是什麼你最擔心影響台灣的這個經貿的點是什麼\n我想這個就是說因為第一個就是說我們對美國的順差是一直持續在上漲而且速度快我看到最新數字已經超過800億美元你剛剛你這個數字是一到九月份可是最新的今年我看搞不好到一千億了沒有不會啦不會啊今年大概多好今年我們貿易順暢我們就是只有五百多億五百多億對啦五百多億\n其實今年台灣對美貿易順差我們這邊有那個美國商務部我們這邊有一個美國商務部他給我們的一個數據這個我們做了一個projection\n我看到了對對對那在這裡呢我們有做一個projection2024年是633因為他不是商品他的一個匯率報告裡面的一個標準呢不是只有商品還有包括拉霧商品\n中央銀行預估500億美元\n台灣未來的通貨膨脹可不可以像現在把它維持得比較好因為我們現在的通貨膨脹率CPI已經把它降到2%以下了嘛 對不對那麼在川普上來之後那麼我們的通貨膨脹率有沒有可能\n又比較難控制因為最近最近台幣爆量貶值嘛是今天已經三我不曉得今天是多少32點幾差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多\n那所以臺幣貶值還有全球包含因為最重要是Fed如果他也沒有繼續的降息然後事實上美國的通貨膨脹再起所以對台灣的通貨膨脹影響是什麼?總裁我跟委員報告事實上我們台灣的通膨不是說美國的通膨我們一定是通膨不見得\n臺灣的通膨主要是是那個裸物包括汽油啦、農產品啦這些的就是供給面的這些那你看看我就說所以呢川普一上來的有因為川普有一個政策呢對於這個\n結能減碳的一個的產業呢他比較不care他還是比較promote傳統的那個能源的政策對啊能源的政策呢美國你看他就生產那個石油啊還有那個天然氣\n所以川普一上台就說希望國外多買美國內運所以私有的價格你看看期貨掉到40塊這對我們是比較好可是總裁我要問你\n美國要增加對美國的採購當然軍需品這一塊已經是無庸置疑的現在傳出一種說法因為我們的能源就是像我們天然氣主要的進口的地方是來自印尼亞洲地區因為比較便宜因為它中資要從用船運過來但是我們現在有一個壓力美國也希望台灣多買美國的\n事實上齁\n我們就是說那個成本也不是說距離的長它的成本就高了要看它的efficiency它生產的那個efficiency那以美國來講的話它在這一方面它是非常的有效率的\n所以就是說即使是美國的距離比我們長跟印尼來擺比較但是呢它的貨運它的貨運的如果說它的貨運呢這個比較比較傳奇比較密集成本比較低的話那也不見得啊\n所以總裁所以你也可以同意我們能源的採購可以從亞洲地區移轉到從美國採購我現在我的意思說不是說也可以移轉那當然這個是經濟部要做的啦因為要大量採購買那小咪咪東西沒有用啦是的我的意思就是說當然就是說經濟部或是台電或中油他必須要評估他的成本效益\n時間暫停,請財政部長\n這怎麼回事就要請教您了剛才總裁說最多是3.08明年但是我們的稅入我們稅入明年變得很多成長率高達19.28%如果明年經濟成長率其實主計數也大概差不多3.2左右\n將行預估3.08就是3%多一點點但是我們可以增加到19.28這樣的一個歲入會不會有點變成不可能的任務\n跟委員報告我們在編稅入預算的時候稅客收入預算的時候其實我們參考的項目很多當然經濟成長率是一個因素還有包含其他民間的消費以及稅制的調整都是包含在內的\n可是那個時候也沒有這麼高的預期我要講的是因為明年度的我們的稅出膨脹非常高那當然你同樣的也把稅入調得很高這個稅入的基礎啊\n其實真的我們一般稅入基礎要考慮到未來的經濟成長率其實在明年包含剛才總裁特別提到他都非常擔心明年其實很多事情都不確定那我們現在的出口很好我們現在出口都還是紅字但是能不能繼續紅字其實有很多專家學者已經開始在擔心了\n所以當然對我們來講我歲入我沒有辦法砍你嘛但是我是提醒你我們現在編高達19.28%年增率的一個歲入事實上是非常有高風險的\n你就說你為了要讓稅出得以支撐所以我稅入也編那麼多沒有,我們在編稅入的時候完全就我們的稅我們就在稅客收入的部分就稅的專業的部分是來做估算我們並沒有去估他的稅出會是多少來回頭考慮我們的稅客收入因為這兩年啦而且有些稅他是會有遞延效果的比如說營所稅、中所稅他是看今年的情形會在明年來反映的\n對阿但是今年也不過4點多而已好我要講就是說其實你歲入我們在審查的時候我是不會砍你歲入嘛你要變那麼高就變那麼高但是呢我提醒你要達到19.8將近20%的成長率其實是非常困難的啦好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝王紅委員謝謝我們部長接下來我們請我們賴惠委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.234 --> 00:25.160\n王委員早總裁早安總裁你今天的報告就是川普當選之後對於全球的經濟特別是對台灣的經濟乃至於我們的貨幣政策、外匯政策還有貿易的報告得到高度的重視剛才也有很多委員在跟您請教\n\n00:27.060 --> 00:50.651\n不過像Fed主席就鮑爾其實川普不喜歡他但是我覺得鮑爾很有guts他就說如果川普不喜歡他想要把他fire掉的話他說他會拒絕他說因為與法不合大家都很怕川普嘛現在關注他的新人士也關注到這個Fed的主席會不會換人\n\n00:52.372 --> 01:15.864\n我個人是非常欣賞鮑爾的態度什麼事情都應該與法有據所以剛才總裁非常擔心的就是川普上來之後會對美國的貨幣政策造成很多的不穩定但是如果鮑爾他可以維持整個聯邦準備理事會的一個獨立超然性的話\n\n01:16.764 --> 01:24.535\n那這樣的一個不穩定的因素可不可能某一種程度可以被排除我想他的不穩定第一個委員講得很好就是說\n\n01:32.853 --> 01:47.361\n非的獨立性是非常重要的所以就是說他的不確定性我剛剛所講的一個不確定性如果說非的能夠來維持他的獨立性的話那他的不確定性可以減少一半\n\n01:47.941 --> 01:52.686\n但是呢他的另外一半呢譬如說關稅的影響那個部分可能是最大的所以總裁你剛才一直擔心就是說本來大家預期呢本來大家應該是放歌吧就是應該會逐步的降息因為他的通貨膨脹已經得到一定的控制\n\n02:12.885 --> 02:21.715\n但是因為川普上來之後川普保護主義再起尤其他要全面性的提高關稅會衝擊到美國的通貨膨脹就是這個數字恐怕就沒有辦法像現在維持的這麼好所以也\n\n02:29.864 --> 02:40.194\n也進而影響到Fed他可能原來他的一個假期的tempo會被完全打亂我這樣講對不對是是是委員講得非常好所以總裁擔心的就是這一點是是是就是50%的這個部分那個uncertainty還是存在的\n\n02:49.544 --> 03:12.270\n所以其實全世界的中央銀行維持這個通貨膨脹不能夠超出這個控制都是天職那所以Fed它有它的不穩定性所以在這邊我也想請教總裁那麼如果就台灣回到台灣層面來講你最concern的是什麼你最擔心影響台灣的這個經貿的點是什麼\n\n03:17.411 --> 03:43.664\n我想這個就是說因為第一個就是說我們對美國的順差是一直持續在上漲而且速度快我看到最新數字已經超過800億美元你剛剛你這個數字是一到九月份可是最新的今年我看搞不好到一千億了沒有不會啦不會啊今年大概多好今年我們貿易順暢我們就是只有五百多億五百多億對啦五百多億\n\n03:45.285 --> 03:59.020\n其實今年台灣對美貿易順差我們這邊有那個美國商務部我們這邊有一個美國商務部他給我們的一個數據這個我們做了一個projection\n\n04:00.942 --> 04:16.138\n我看到了對對對那在這裡呢我們有做一個projection2024年是633因為他不是商品他的一個匯率報告裡面的一個標準呢不是只有商品還有包括拉霧商品\n\n04:16.678 --> 04:17.439\n中央銀行預估500億美元\n\n04:34.301 --> 04:51.918\n台灣未來的通貨膨脹可不可以像現在把它維持得比較好因為我們現在的通貨膨脹率CPI已經把它降到2%以下了嘛對不對那麼在川普上來之後那麼我們的通貨膨脹率有沒有可能\n\n04:54.810 --> 05:06.738\n又比較難控制因為最近最近台幣爆量貶值嘛是今天已經三我不曉得今天是多少32點幾差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多差不多\n\n05:10.280 --> 05:35.030\n那所以臺幣貶值還有全球包含因為最重要是Fed如果他也沒有繼續的降息然後事實上美國的通貨膨脹再起所以對台灣的通貨膨脹影響是什麼?總裁我跟委員報告事實上我們台灣的通膨不是說美國的通膨我們一定是通膨不見得\n\n05:36.410 --> 05:51.903\n臺灣的通膨主要是是那個裸物包括汽油啦、農產品啦這些的就是供給面的這些那你看看我就說所以呢川普一上來的有因為川普有一個政策呢對於這個\n\n05:53.984 --> 05:56.986\n結能減碳的一個的產業呢他比較不care他還是比較promote傳統的那個能源的政策對啊能源的政策呢美國你看他就生產那個石油啊還有那個天然氣\n\n06:10.155 --> 06:12.977\n所以川普一上台就說希望國外多買美國內運所以私有的價格你看看期貨掉到40塊這對我們是比較好可是總裁我要問你\n\n06:29.208 --> 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