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00:01:10,220\n市長記者這個到底SRF到底是什麼樣的東西啊他是再生能源他是綠能嗎我想這個聯合國對於再生能源的定義是說補充率高於消耗率的東西叫再生能源那石油煤天然氣這東西他當然消耗率高於補充率嘛就當然不是再生能源\n\n4\n00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:11,300\n條例第七條及第十一條條文修正草案案。\n\n5\n00:01:25,458 --> 00:01:50,817\n我先跟委員報告這一塊有關我們是遵循那個國際的規範還有那個環境部這邊的那個定義那我們現在這一次在我們再生能源發展條例我們已經把這一塊外界在講的一般的廢棄物這一塊我們已經把它拿掉有嗎?等一下我給你討論到法條的部分我先問定義嘛\n\n6\n00:01:52,572 --> 00:01:56,956\n報告委員那我們有我們的資源循環署有梁副組長他是主管這個廢棄物請他來說明\n\n7\n00:02:04,198 --> 00:02:27,092\n好,跟委員報告一下,我們的SRF就是我們的廢棄物經過分選、篩選。內容是什麼?SRF主要內容是什麼?那內容物?內容物的話就是它的來源是廢棄物,是屬於高熱值的廢棄物。什麼樣的廢棄物高熱值?高熱值的廢棄物比方說像我們塑膠。\n\n8\n00:02:28,936 --> 00:02:57,429\n木質類、塑膠類等等、釋然性的、熱質高的這些學習物。我是要先了解我們到底SIF裡面的內容是什麼東西。當然高熱質這個我們都很清楚。那我想剛剛次長提到說經濟部把這個所謂再生能源發在這個SIF把它排除在短購費率之外嘛。但是如果我們回到法條本身今天在看所謂再生能源發展條例裡面定義什麼是再生能源的這部分\n\n9\n00:02:58,669 --> 00:03:21,088\n你們在這個修正條文裡面當然排除了它不是用所謂的獎勵補助不是用輪功費率但是在再生能源的那個幾個條字裡面它一樣啊它一樣還是放在再生能源的這個項目裡面啊雖然它沒有被排除在再生能源之外啊它還是在法律的條文第一裡面它依然是不是還是依然屬於再生能源\n\n10\n00:03:24,020 --> 00:03:24,801\n條例第十一條及第十二條條文修正草案案案案。\n\n11\n00:03:46,374 --> 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