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00:02:43,731\n貨幣政策當然國家的貨幣政策影響也很大從他開始九月底一直到現在他美元就影響這個我是想說會不會影響到比如說我們出口的一些影響貨幣政策影響到出口那銀行當然有時候要兼顧出口跟這個相關的這個\n\n9\n00:02:58,416 --> 00:02:58,436\n綠綠的\n\n10\n00:03:15,612 --> 00:03:19,775\n我們的利率還是由我們本身的通膨的情況他的未來的情況是怎麼樣來決定我們的利率那你現在採取的好像感覺都是比較低利率\n\n11\n00:03:34,484 --> 00:03:35,264\n二、貸款貸款貸款貸款\n\n12\n00:03:55,180 --> 00:04:03,131\n因為我看到一本書就是這個陳南光的新書說在談致富的特權裡頭陳聰他說央行債務的成績就已經那個外匯成績很好啦出口很暢旺啦但是會攸關致命的房價\n\n13\n00:04:11,121 --> 00:04:30,811\n裡邊的論點就是說雙利雙低策略當然幫助出口但影響廠商升級貨幣供給增加資金成本又數低點就會推升房屋價格你怎麼看這件事情我想是他的說法啦你不認同他的說法就對了不認同當然不認同你不認同陳中的說法沒有基礎\n\n14\n00:04:31,511 --> 00:04:41,320\n沒有基礎嗎?沒有基礎嗎?像我國的利率這麼低事實上幫助那個……來來來,請問總裁,你不認同我的看法,那我請教你,你的第4,你的9月19號,10月19號,9月19號的第7波這個信用管制措施以後,你有看到房價有降嗎?\n\n15\n00:04:51,463 --> 00:05:13,690\n市場有降價嗎但是問題是在於報告委員但是問題是就是說那個時候呢房價一直在上漲對不對所以我們的道德稅5跟第7波的時候最重要的是要扭轉他的一個預期心理一直房價會一直上漲的這種預期心理對問題是有達到效果嗎有房價有下跌嗎但是你看看他現在已經扭轉他已經停止在那邊了他已經停止在那邊但是有下跌嗎\n\n16\n00:05:21,292 --> 00:05:43,382\n因為你的策略是不是用的不夠啊這樣不我總結的就是說你不是說你的政策下去他的房價就馬上下來那不可能的那你預計什麼時候會有一個結果大概讓百姓覺得說房價總算比較接近到好像的確有點下跌百姓比較有點負擔的錢我跟委員報告齁\n\n17\n00:05:44,725 --> 00:05:54,211\n對先,好,這個怎麼回事,講到房價就開始有噪音了,等一下我,小山等一下,請那個看一下那個什麼,請等一下,什麼問題勒?房價是關鍵字是嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:17,902 --> 00:06:21,868\n因為收音的時候可能會把這些收下來就不清楚了\n\n19\n00:06:30,665 --> 00:06:52,582\n所以我知道你的意思你當然希望是可能比較像一種軟著陸的方式嘛就不要說一下子往下但是這個政策如果沒有成效的話我們事實上業界或是普遍在產業界來看的話都會覺得說也許太低廉的資金取得的成本也是造成這個這個房價推升的一個因素這也是央行這個我們前院長那個陳聰所說的嘛這個是有什麼問題呢\n\n20\n00:07:04,193 --> 00:07:19,043\n我跟委員報告9月19現在還沒兩個月了沒關係選擇性金融管制下去了以後呢你看看它的整個的一個就是說是要反而要上上因為9月19到現在還沒兩個月嘛那我們現在應該是在比如說一季的時間9月19到大概比如說三個月\n\n21\n00:07:27,169 --> 00:07:48,466\n12月18號就三個月就一季了其實我們看一下這個成效如果成效不好的話我想你的策略可能是不是還有一些什麼相關的我想我跟委員報告我們第一個我們有請他們就是說我們有道德說服請他們一個一年之內要做一個調整\n\n22\n00:07:49,407 --> 00:08:08,305\n不要把資源太集中在房地產這是第一個那這個呢他就必須要調整這個是第一個第二個呢我們做這樣的一個第七波下去的時候確實啊確實能夠讓第一個他的道德說服他的執行能夠落實\n\n23\n00:08:09,386 --> 00:08:36,094\n我會想像到12月1屆的時候你要提一個大概有個報告出來來看是什麼結果主席為什麼時間倒數從一分鐘開始算應該是兩分鐘還沒有啊你的時間還有我剛剛OK好那來再請問這個沒關係你再講一下好了沒關係請再說一下就是說我說這個9月19開始嘛那現在你是希望說現在已經先暫停了大家覺得房價會上漲的迷思了嘛你覺得有達到這個效果\n\n24\n00:08:37,074 --> 00:09:00,364\n問題房價有沒有下跌我跟委員報告現在我如果說看網路來看的話他們的分析我不曉得是不是對第一他們認為現在是已經停止在那邊但是他的價格的調整他說恐怕要到明年中\n\n25\n00:09:01,314 --> 00:09:25,359\n明年中才有辦法就是說慢慢的調整下來那這個我們也是希望我們是這樣子的這個是我們的希望我想請問另外一個問題這個20元硬幣流通我想請教在場的各位有誰除了中央硬幣廠的話誰看過20元的硬幣我不是請教你啦我剛有拿到這個有看過的請舉手\n\n26\n00:09:27,369 --> 00:09:50,970\n一位那邊是中央銀行啊那邊是財政部的是嗎哪個部會的央行的是吧央行的所以20元硬幣只在央行內部流通嗎除了央行以外這還有誰看過一二三哇除了央行以外他不能都沒看過20元的硬幣主席有看過嗎沒看過我也沒看過那我想說這個這個應該是真的吧這個貨幣是真的嗎\n\n27\n00:09:54,153 --> 00:09:55,875\n現在詐騙很多嘛,現在如果店家收到這個不會覺得這是詐騙嗎?\n\n28\n00:10:13,459 --> 00:10:14,760\n我跟委員報告就是說全世界呢\n\n29\n00:10:38,593 --> 00:11:00,089\n的二字坨的貨幣呢流通都不是很好對,那我們為什麼要繼續發行現在又走上電子知識時代啊這個就是說你看日本也是一樣的那個倫敦也是一樣的都已經知道其他各國都發行了但是他不能就說他的流通少那你就不發行那為什麼要發行流通少為什麼要發行發行給大家收藏嗎?給人家選擇啊\n\n30\n00:11:04,333 --> 00:11:16,088\n選擇因為大家都不用阿那也不是說不用那只是流透發行來讓大家典藏發行來在央行內部流透央行都有20人我是問你政策啦我對硬幣廠你還要繼續發行嗎\n\n31\n00:11:20,433 --> 00:11:20,453\n謝謝陳一貞、張偉\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6752\t15475\t川普上任後媒體推估有6項經濟政策改變統一增全部進口商品對美國進口增10到20%對中國大陸增60%減稅永久化推動石油天然氣開台對綠燈產業的影響21%的企業稅降到15%遣返非法移民美元\n35442\t44206\t貶值誘導還有他當然會對他們的金融政策有很強大的這個干預啦是是是這個當然就是可能的政策改變喔那我們看一下齁這個\n46499\t65968\t我們的這個他的採用他如果這樣用採用這個弱勢美元的這個做法因為他覺得美元甚至會減少他們的競爭力提高關稅然後出口的時候他們要出口要降低要讓他們美元貶值讓他們價格有競爭力這個用貨物貶值嘛來做這個促進那個出口那請問這個\n69730\t95785\t他如果採取這個弱勢美元政策對我們的匯市還有外匯存底的影響呢?我跟委員報告事實上川普都是一直認為他要採行的是弱勢美元的這個政策但是你看看就是說從他9月底到現在包括他上任之後美元沒有弱勢美元反而是強起來\n96906\t100268\t所以美國的川普的弱勢美元到目前為止是沒有實現的\n121499\t125762\t那他也還沒有上任嘛那各國的貨幣競選的情況下這個對於我們國家的就是對我們中華民國的經濟成長現在不錯嘛出口也暢旺嘛外遊整體也增加嘛那從5110年5000多、1112年5700那今年9月已經也快5800了那也一直成長\n145133\t155642\t你說他不一定會踩弱勢嗎?你的意思是他不一定會踩弱勢?因為說實在的有些時候美元是由市場來決定的不是由總統來決定的\n157489\t163731\t貨幣政策當然國家的貨幣政策影響也很大從他開始九月底一直到現在他美元就影響這個我是想說會不會影響到比如說我們出口的一些影響貨幣政策影響到出口那銀行當然有時候要兼顧出口跟這個相關的這個\n178416\t178436\t綠綠的\n195612\t199775\t我們的利率還是由我們本身的通膨的情況他的未來的情況是怎麼樣來決定我們的利率那你現在採取的好像感覺都是比較低利率\n214484\t215264\t二、貸款貸款貸款貸款\n235180\t243131\t因為我看到一本書就是這個陳南光的新書說在談致富的特權裡頭陳聰他說央行債務的成績就已經那個外匯成績很好啦出口很暢旺啦但是會攸關致命的房價\n251121\t270811\t裡邊的論點就是說雙利雙低策略當然幫助出口但影響廠商升級貨幣供給增加資金成本又數低點就會推升房屋價格你怎麼看這件事情我想是他的說法啦你不認同他的說法就對了不認同當然不認同你不認同陳中的說法沒有基礎\n271511\t281320\t沒有基礎嗎?沒有基礎嗎?像我國的利率這麼低事實上幫助那個……來來來,請問總裁,你不認同我的看法,那我請教你,你的第4,你的9月19號,10月19號,9月19號的第7波這個信用管制措施以後,你有看到房價有降嗎?\n291463\t313690\t市場有降價嗎但是問題是在於報告委員但是問題是就是說那個時候呢房價一直在上漲對不對所以我們的道德稅5跟第7波的時候最重要的是要扭轉他的一個預期心理一直房價會一直上漲的這種預期心理對問題是有達到效果嗎有房價有下跌嗎但是你看看他現在已經扭轉他已經停止在那邊了他已經停止在那邊但是有下跌嗎\n321292\t343382\t因為你的策略是不是用的不夠啊這樣不我總結的就是說你不是說你的政策下去他的房價就馬上下來那不可能的那你預計什麼時候會有一個結果大概讓百姓覺得說房價總算比較接近到好像的確有點下跌百姓比較有點負擔的錢我跟委員報告齁\n344725\t354211\t對先,好,這個怎麼回事,講到房價就開始有噪音了,等一下我,小山等一下,請那個看一下那個什麼,請等一下,什麼問題勒?房價是關鍵字是嗎?\n377902\t381868\t因為收音的時候可能會把這些收下來就不清楚了\n390665\t412582\t所以我知道你的意思你當然希望是可能比較像一種軟著陸的方式嘛就不要說一下子往下但是這個政策如果沒有成效的話我們事實上業界或是普遍在產業界來看的話都會覺得說也許太低廉的資金取得的成本也是造成這個這個房價推升的一個因素這也是央行這個我們前院長那個陳聰所說的嘛這個是有什麼問題呢\n424193\t439043\t我跟委員報告9月19現在還沒兩個月了沒關係選擇性金融管制下去了以後呢你看看它的整個的一個就是說是要反而要上上因為9月19到現在還沒兩個月嘛那我們現在應該是在比如說一季的時間9月19到大概比如說三個月\n447169\t468466\t12月18號就三個月就一季了其實我們看一下這個成效如果成效不好的話我想你的策略可能是不是還有一些什麼相關的我想我跟委員報告我們第一個我們有請他們就是說我們有道德說服請他們一個一年之內要做一個調整\n469407\t488305\t不要把資源太集中在房地產這是第一個那這個呢他就必須要調整這個是第一個第二個呢我們做這樣的一個第七波下去的時候確實啊確實能夠讓第一個他的道德說服他的執行能夠落實\n489386\t516094\t我會想像到12月1屆的時候你要提一個大概有個報告出來來看是什麼結果主席為什麼時間倒數從一分鐘開始算應該是兩分鐘還沒有啊你的時間還有我剛剛OK好那來再請問這個沒關係你再講一下好了沒關係請再說一下就是說我說這個9月19開始嘛那現在你是希望說現在已經先暫停了大家覺得房價會上漲的迷思了嘛你覺得有達到這個效果\n517074\t540364\t問題房價有沒有下跌我跟委員報告現在我如果說看網路來看的話他們的分析我不曉得是不是對第一他們認為現在是已經停止在那邊但是他的價格的調整他說恐怕要到明年中\n541314\t565359\t明年中才有辦法就是說慢慢的調整下來那這個我們也是希望我們是這樣子的這個是我們的希望我想請問另外一個問題這個20元硬幣流通我想請教在場的各位有誰除了中央硬幣廠的話誰看過20元的硬幣我不是請教你啦我剛有拿到這個有看過的請舉手\n567369\t590970\t一位那邊是中央銀行啊那邊是財政部的是嗎哪個部會的央行的是吧央行的所以20元硬幣只在央行內部流通嗎除了央行以外這還有誰看過一二三哇除了央行以外他不能都沒看過20元的硬幣主席有看過嗎沒看過我也沒看過那我想說這個這個應該是真的吧這個貨幣是真的嗎\n594153\t595875\t現在詐騙很多嘛,現在如果店家收到這個不會覺得這是詐騙嗎?\n613459\t614760\t我跟委員報告就是說全世界呢\n638593\t660089\t的二字坨的貨幣呢流通都不是很好對,那我們為什麼要繼續發行現在又走上電子知識時代啊這個就是說你看日本也是一樣的那個倫敦也是一樣的都已經知道其他各國都發行了但是他不能就說他的流通少那你就不發行那為什麼要發行流通少為什麼要發行發行給大家收藏嗎?給人家選擇啊\n664333\t676088\t選擇 因為大家都不用阿那也不是說不用 那只是流透 發行來讓大家典藏 發行來在央行內部流透 央行都有20人我是問你政策啦 我對硬幣廠 你還要繼續發行嗎\n680433\t680453\t謝謝陳一貞、張偉\n","txt":"川普上任後媒體推估有6項經濟政策改變統一增全部進口商品對美國進口增10到20%對中國大陸增60%減稅永久化推動石油天然氣開台對綠燈產業的影響21%的企業稅降到15%遣返非法移民美元\n貶值誘導還有他當然會對他們的金融政策有很強大的這個干預啦是是是這個當然就是可能的政策改變喔那我們看一下齁這個\n我們的這個他的採用他如果這樣用採用這個弱勢美元的這個做法因為他覺得美元甚至會減少他們的競爭力提高關稅然後出口的時候他們要出口要降低要讓他們美元貶值讓他們價格有競爭力這個用貨物貶值嘛來做這個促進那個出口那請問這個\n他如果採取這個弱勢美元政策對我們的匯市還有外匯存底的影響呢?我跟委員報告事實上川普都是一直認為他要採行的是弱勢美元的這個政策但是你看看就是說從他9月底到現在包括他上任之後美元沒有弱勢美元反而是強起來\n所以美國的川普的弱勢美元到目前為止是沒有實現的\n那他也還沒有上任嘛那各國的貨幣競選的情況下這個對於我們國家的就是對我們中華民國的經濟成長現在不錯嘛出口也暢旺嘛外遊整體也增加嘛那從5110年5000多、1112年5700那今年9月已經也快5800了那也一直成長\n你說他不一定會踩弱勢嗎?你的意思是他不一定會踩弱勢?因為說實在的有些時候美元是由市場來決定的不是由總統來決定的\n貨幣政策當然國家的貨幣政策影響也很大從他開始九月底一直到現在他美元就影響這個我是想說會不會影響到比如說我們出口的一些影響貨幣政策影響到出口那銀行當然有時候要兼顧出口跟這個相關的這個\n綠綠的\n我們的利率還是由我們本身的通膨的情況他的未來的情況是怎麼樣來決定我們的利率那你現在採取的好像感覺都是比較低利率\n二、貸款貸款貸款貸款\n因為我看到一本書就是這個陳南光的新書說在談致富的特權裡頭陳聰他說央行債務的成績就已經那個外匯成績很好啦出口很暢旺啦但是會攸關致命的房價\n裡邊的論點就是說雙利雙低策略當然幫助出口但影響廠商升級貨幣供給增加資金成本又數低點就會推升房屋價格你怎麼看這件事情我想是他的說法啦你不認同他的說法就對了不認同當然不認同你不認同陳中的說法沒有基礎\n沒有基礎嗎?沒有基礎嗎?像我國的利率這麼低事實上幫助那個……來來來,請問總裁,你不認同我的看法,那我請教你,你的第4,你的9月19號,10月19號,9月19號的第7波這個信用管制措施以後,你有看到房價有降嗎?\n市場有降價嗎但是問題是在於報告委員但是問題是就是說那個時候呢房價一直在上漲對不對所以我們的道德稅5跟第7波的時候最重要的是要扭轉他的一個預期心理一直房價會一直上漲的這種預期心理對問題是有達到效果嗎有房價有下跌嗎但是你看看他現在已經扭轉他已經停止在那邊了他已經停止在那邊但是有下跌嗎\n因為你的策略是不是用的不夠啊這樣不我總結的就是說你不是說你的政策下去他的房價就馬上下來那不可能的那你預計什麼時候會有一個結果大概讓百姓覺得說房價總算比較接近到好像的確有點下跌百姓比較有點負擔的錢我跟委員報告齁\n對先,好,這個怎麼回事,講到房價就開始有噪音了,等一下我,小山等一下,請那個看一下那個什麼,請等一下,什麼問題勒?房價是關鍵字是嗎?\n因為收音的時候可能會把這些收下來就不清楚了\n所以我知道你的意思你當然希望是可能比較像一種軟著陸的方式嘛就不要說一下子往下但是這個政策如果沒有成效的話我們事實上業界或是普遍在產業界來看的話都會覺得說也許太低廉的資金取得的成本也是造成這個這個房價推升的一個因素這也是央行這個我們前院長那個陳聰所說的嘛這個是有什麼問題呢\n我跟委員報告9月19現在還沒兩個月了沒關係選擇性金融管制下去了以後呢你看看它的整個的一個就是說是要反而要上上因為9月19到現在還沒兩個月嘛那我們現在應該是在比如說一季的時間9月19到大概比如說三個月\n12月18號就三個月就一季了其實我們看一下這個成效如果成效不好的話我想你的策略可能是不是還有一些什麼相關的我想我跟委員報告我們第一個我們有請他們就是說我們有道德說服請他們一個一年之內要做一個調整\n不要把資源太集中在房地產這是第一個那這個呢他就必須要調整這個是第一個第二個呢我們做這樣的一個第七波下去的時候確實啊確實能夠讓第一個他的道德說服他的執行能夠落實\n我會想像到12月1屆的時候你要提一個大概有個報告出來來看是什麼結果主席為什麼時間倒數從一分鐘開始算應該是兩分鐘還沒有啊你的時間還有我剛剛OK好那來再請問這個沒關係你再講一下好了沒關係請再說一下就是說我說這個9月19開始嘛那現在你是希望說現在已經先暫停了大家覺得房價會上漲的迷思了嘛你覺得有達到這個效果\n問題房價有沒有下跌我跟委員報告現在我如果說看網路來看的話他們的分析我不曉得是不是對第一他們認為現在是已經停止在那邊但是他的價格的調整他說恐怕要到明年中\n明年中才有辦法就是說慢慢的調整下來那這個我們也是希望我們是這樣子的這個是我們的希望我想請問另外一個問題這個20元硬幣流通我想請教在場的各位有誰除了中央硬幣廠的話誰看過20元的硬幣我不是請教你啦我剛有拿到這個有看過的請舉手\n一位那邊是中央銀行啊那邊是財政部的是嗎哪個部會的央行的是吧央行的所以20元硬幣只在央行內部流通嗎除了央行以外這還有誰看過一二三哇除了央行以外他不能都沒看過20元的硬幣主席有看過嗎沒看過我也沒看過那我想說這個這個應該是真的吧這個貨幣是真的嗎\n現在詐騙很多嘛,現在如果店家收到這個不會覺得這是詐騙嗎?\n我跟委員報告就是說全世界呢\n的二字坨的貨幣呢流通都不是很好對,那我們為什麼要繼續發行現在又走上電子知識時代啊這個就是說你看日本也是一樣的那個倫敦也是一樣的都已經知道其他各國都發行了但是他不能就說他的流通少那你就不發行那為什麼要發行流通少為什麼要發行發行給大家收藏嗎?給人家選擇啊\n選擇 因為大家都不用阿那也不是說不用 那只是流透 發行來讓大家典藏 發行來在央行內部流透 央行都有20人我是問你政策啦 我對硬幣廠 你還要繼續發行嗎\n謝謝陳一貞、張偉\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:06.752 --> 00:15.475\n川普上任後媒體推估有6項經濟政策改變統一增全部進口商品對美國進口增10到20%對中國大陸增60%減稅永久化推動石油天然氣開台對綠燈產業的影響21%的企業稅降到15%遣返非法移民美元\n\n00:35.442 --> 00:44.206\n貶值誘導還有他當然會對他們的金融政策有很強大的這個干預啦是是是這個當然就是可能的政策改變喔那我們看一下齁這個\n\n00:46.499 --> 01:05.968\n我們的這個他的採用他如果這樣用採用這個弱勢美元的這個做法因為他覺得美元甚至會減少他們的競爭力提高關稅然後出口的時候他們要出口要降低要讓他們美元貶值讓他們價格有競爭力這個用貨物貶值嘛來做這個促進那個出口那請問這個\n\n01:09.730 --> 01:35.785\n他如果採取這個弱勢美元政策對我們的匯市還有外匯存底的影響呢?我跟委員報告事實上川普都是一直認為他要採行的是弱勢美元的這個政策但是你看看就是說從他9月底到現在包括他上任之後美元沒有弱勢美元反而是強起來\n\n01:36.906 --> 01:40.268\n所以美國的川普的弱勢美元到目前為止是沒有實現的\n\n02:01.499 --> 02:05.762\n那他也還沒有上任嘛那各國的貨幣競選的情況下這個對於我們國家的就是對我們中華民國的經濟成長現在不錯嘛出口也暢旺嘛外遊整體也增加嘛那從5110年5000多、1112年5700那今年9月已經也快5800了那也一直成長\n\n02:25.133 --> 02:35.642\n你說他不一定會踩弱勢嗎?你的意思是他不一定會踩弱勢?因為說實在的有些時候美元是由市場來決定的不是由總統來決定的\n\n02:37.489 --> 02:43.731\n貨幣政策當然國家的貨幣政策影響也很大從他開始九月底一直到現在他美元就影響這個我是想說會不會影響到比如說我們出口的一些影響貨幣政策影響到出口那銀行當然有時候要兼顧出口跟這個相關的這個\n\n02:58.416 --> 02:58.436\n綠綠的\n\n03:15.612 --> 03:19.775\n我們的利率還是由我們本身的通膨的情況他的未來的情況是怎麼樣來決定我們的利率那你現在採取的好像感覺都是比較低利率\n\n03:34.484 --> 03:35.264\n二、貸款貸款貸款貸款\n\n03:55.180 --> 04:03.131\n因為我看到一本書就是這個陳南光的新書說在談致富的特權裡頭陳聰他說央行債務的成績就已經那個外匯成績很好啦出口很暢旺啦但是會攸關致命的房價\n\n04:11.121 --> 04:30.811\n裡邊的論點就是說雙利雙低策略當然幫助出口但影響廠商升級貨幣供給增加資金成本又數低點就會推升房屋價格你怎麼看這件事情我想是他的說法啦你不認同他的說法就對了不認同當然不認同你不認同陳中的說法沒有基礎\n\n04:31.511 --> 04:41.320\n沒有基礎嗎?沒有基礎嗎?像我國的利率這麼低事實上幫助那個……來來來,請問總裁,你不認同我的看法,那我請教你,你的第4,你的9月19號,10月19號,9月19號的第7波這個信用管制措施以後,你有看到房價有降嗎?\n\n04:51.463 --> 05:13.690\n市場有降價嗎但是問題是在於報告委員但是問題是就是說那個時候呢房價一直在上漲對不對所以我們的道德稅5跟第7波的時候最重要的是要扭轉他的一個預期心理一直房價會一直上漲的這種預期心理對問題是有達到效果嗎有房價有下跌嗎但是你看看他現在已經扭轉他已經停止在那邊了他已經停止在那邊但是有下跌嗎\n\n05:21.292 --> 05:43.382\n因為你的策略是不是用的不夠啊這樣不我總結的就是說你不是說你的政策下去他的房價就馬上下來那不可能的那你預計什麼時候會有一個結果大概讓百姓覺得說房價總算比較接近到好像的確有點下跌百姓比較有點負擔的錢我跟委員報告齁\n\n05:44.725 --> 05:54.211\n對先,好,這個怎麼回事,講到房價就開始有噪音了,等一下我,小山等一下,請那個看一下那個什麼,請等一下,什麼問題勒?房價是關鍵字是嗎?\n\n06:17.902 --> 06:21.868\n因為收音的時候可能會把這些收下來就不清楚了\n\n06:30.665 --> 06:52.582\n所以我知道你的意思你當然希望是可能比較像一種軟著陸的方式嘛就不要說一下子往下但是這個政策如果沒有成效的話我們事實上業界或是普遍在產業界來看的話都會覺得說也許太低廉的資金取得的成本也是造成這個這個房價推升的一個因素這也是央行這個我們前院長那個陳聰所說的嘛這個是有什麼問題呢\n\n07:04.193 --> 07:19.043\n我跟委員報告9月19現在還沒兩個月了沒關係選擇性金融管制下去了以後呢你看看它的整個的一個就是說是要反而要上上因為9月19到現在還沒兩個月嘛那我們現在應該是在比如說一季的時間9月19到大概比如說三個月\n\n07:27.169 --> 07:48.466\n12月18號就三個月就一季了其實我們看一下這個成效如果成效不好的話我想你的策略可能是不是還有一些什麼相關的我想我跟委員報告我們第一個我們有請他們就是說我們有道德說服請他們一個一年之內要做一個調整\n\n07:49.407 --> 08:08.305\n不要把資源太集中在房地產這是第一個那這個呢他就必須要調整這個是第一個第二個呢我們做這樣的一個第七波下去的時候確實啊確實能夠讓第一個他的道德說服他的執行能夠落實\n\n08:09.386 --> 08:36.094\n我會想像到12月1屆的時候你要提一個大概有個報告出來來看是什麼結果主席為什麼時間倒數從一分鐘開始算應該是兩分鐘還沒有啊你的時間還有我剛剛OK好那來再請問這個沒關係你再講一下好了沒關係請再說一下就是說我說這個9月19開始嘛那現在你是希望說現在已經先暫停了大家覺得房價會上漲的迷思了嘛你覺得有達到這個效果\n\n08:37.074 --> 09:00.364\n問題房價有沒有下跌我跟委員報告現在我如果說看網路來看的話他們的分析我不曉得是不是對第一他們認為現在是已經停止在那邊但是他的價格的調整他說恐怕要到明年中\n\n09:01.314 --> 09:25.359\n明年中才有辦法就是說慢慢的調整下來那這個我們也是希望我們是這樣子的這個是我們的希望我想請問另外一個問題這個20元硬幣流通我想請教在場的各位有誰除了中央硬幣廠的話誰看過20元的硬幣我不是請教你啦我剛有拿到這個有看過的請舉手\n\n09:27.369 --> 09:50.970\n一位那邊是中央銀行啊那邊是財政部的是嗎哪個部會的央行的是吧央行的所以20元硬幣只在央行內部流通嗎除了央行以外這還有誰看過一二三哇除了央行以外他不能都沒看過20元的硬幣主席有看過嗎沒看過我也沒看過那我想說這個這個應該是真的吧這個貨幣是真的嗎\n\n09:54.153 --> 09:55.875\n現在詐騙很多嘛,現在如果店家收到這個不會覺得這是詐騙嗎?\n\n10:13.459 --> 10:14.760\n我跟委員報告就是說全世界呢\n\n10:38.593 --> 11:00.089\n的二字坨的貨幣呢流通都不是很好對,那我們為什麼要繼續發行現在又走上電子知識時代啊這個就是說你看日本也是一樣的那個倫敦也是一樣的都已經知道其他各國都發行了但是他不能就說他的流通少那你就不發行那為什麼要發行流通少為什麼要發行發行給大家收藏嗎?給人家選擇啊\n\n11:04.333 --> 11:16.088\n選擇因為大家都不用阿那也不是說不用那只是流透發行來讓大家典藏發行來在央行內部流透央行都有20人我是問你政策啦我對硬幣廠你還要繼續發行嗎\n\n11:20.433 --> 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