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00:00:47,371\n政策、方向以及面臨到的問題跟現在第二任有可能的一個狀況來做一個彙整這本席予以肯定為什麼因為畢竟雖然大家在講是說這個難以預測可是總是他已經當過一任的總統嘛那既然已經當過一任的美國總統的話他確實他第一任不管他的方向、做法以及策略跟第二任可能有規則可循不過我想在舊教裡面\n\n3\n00:00:48,211 --> 00:01:02,801\n比較重要的地方在於是你的第16頁喔是未來觸及台灣：觸及美方的前兩項檢視標準被列為觀察名單是成常態主要是講是說因為2018年開始美中兩大強權所以造成說台灣對於美國的貿易順差持續的擴大是沒有錯\n\n4\n00:01:09,462 --> 00:01:19,552\n2018年到現在之後,到底擴大到多少的一個程度?對,所以呢,所以我們這個圖啊,也有秀出了就往上升嘛,是不是?對,往上升,從109億到633億,這個就是\n\n5\n00:01:26,138 --> 00:01:53,396\n因為他這個不是只有商品而已還包括服務商品服務兩樣那其中我特別看到是說你的第一個兩項檢視標準那有一個5的一個備註小字下面就講說三項檢視標準裡面第一對美商品跟服務貿易順差於150億美金是不是150億是多出來還是從以前到現在可能我們就有這樣的一個\n\n6\n00:01:54,636 --> 00:02:22,441\n我們以前是沒有150億所以以前就是說所以你看從2018年以後我們就慢慢的一直增加到633億所以以前是沒有那現在是越來越來越來所以就是說這一項所以這150億是從什麼時候開始增加他在上一次幾年的時候他就開始因為這是你的報告啊你的報告2015年的時候他就提出就是說要150億\n\n7\n00:02:24,061 --> 00:02:53,161\n2015年就提出要150億對好然後一直到現在所以說150億是美方那邊有提出的一個數字對是不是是沒有錯好那您看第17頁是台灣你的第三點台灣縮小對美國貿易順差的建議做法對這是您具體建議的央行總裁具體建議我們政府可能要怎麼做是擴大對美的採購能源對農產品跟軍品來縮小對美的貿易順差對是沒有錯\n\n8\n00:02:54,321 --> 00:03:19,313\n好150億這個數字有沒有覺得很耳熟蛤?很耳熟阿最近好像在哪裡有聽過150億這個數字前兩天三大報頭版頭有沒有看到是三大報頭版頭寫什麼寫說民進黨政府有可能要跟美國提出軍品的採購清單阿是150億美金阿\n\n9\n00:03:24,650 --> 00:03:42,915\n約合台幣5000億左右然後其中裡面包括F35包括愛國者飛彈等等大家那個時候覺得好奇啊這怎麼新聞怎麼來的外媒先講是說外媒先報導但之後第二天三大報頭版頭都一樣處理我們第一次看到三大報頭版頭針對一個外媒報導\n\n10\n00:03:46,356 --> 00:04:02,200\n總統府否認說沒有這個事情沒有放話國防部部長也來立法院否認說沒有這個事情甚至國防部部長講說國防部沒有所謂的採購清單但是總裁我覺得你好像比較是一個講實話的人\n\n11\n00:04:04,241 --> 00:04:19,904\n因為就你來講美國服務貿易順差達150億美元然後你們建議要對美國縮小貿易順差的建議做法就是採購美國的能源、農產品或是軍品怎麼那麼巧\n\n12\n00:04:21,225 --> 00:04:40,573\n川普當選不到一個禮拜馬上我們偉大的政府就放消息說要採購150億美元的軍品但是怎樣對美國交代真的是還沒有人家還沒有上任但是交保護費我們已經想著要把白花花的鈔票要奉上了是不是\n\n13\n00:04:41,273 --> 00:04:48,515\n數字怎麼會那麼剛好我也覺得很納悶我們的逆差150億馬上我們要補一個150億希望我們能夠採購150億而且當時我也講如果說我們一講說150億的話那會不會也讓美國或是我們在國防部我還是再一次強調軍品採購的部分如果說是我們需要的武器我們一定大力支持\n\n14\n00:05:10,020 --> 00:05:29,866\n我們也希望中華民國有建軍有捍衛自主的能力但是如果說我們自己就先底牌講說我們準備了150要去購買武器的話那未來在溝通談判的當中美方軍品採購是美國的賣方市場不是買方市場所以未來在軍品採購的時候會不會增加我們談判的難度\n\n15\n00:05:30,986 --> 00:05:42,676\n這邊是說有可能他會以150億往上起算底價就150億因為他是要說你已經你們三大報都已經講了台灣已經準備150億要來買武器啊所以未來他可能開價160、170億\n\n16\n00:05:47,980 --> 00:06:02,728\n總裁,你的建議欸所以感覺起來是政府部沒有聽到你的建議沒有,不是你建議縮小美國順差的建議做法就是要採購軍品然後又看到了美國對我們的這個有150億美元\n\n17\n00:06:07,590 --> 00:06:22,301\n然後我們現在被列為觀察名單是就是因為有這150億這個可能是巧合啦謝謝謝謝洪孟楷委員總裁是不是補書面的資料給洪孟楷委員好嗎我不知道總裁可以給我什麼樣的書面資料是給我們的採購清單證實這個這個總裁應該是不能辦公啦對因為是超過時間總裁我一數啦朝委站起來我尊重\n\n18\n00:06:36,912 --> 00:06:58,513\n但我意思是說其實我相信你這一個報告是合理客觀的數據那如果說是這樣的話政府部門真的要做什麼事情應該要讓國人知道國人有知的權利今天如果真的是川普政府他上任他真的要求提出什麼樣要求國人也應該知道\n\n19\n00:06:59,554 --> 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--> 00:16.298\n蔣總裁早上午到現在本席也特別鉅細迷離看了一下你今天的一個報告其中召委的這個題目也講到是說川普總統的一個部分我想先肯定一下就是說你們有把第一任川普總統的\n\n00:18.294 --> 00:47.371\n政策、方向以及面臨到的問題跟現在第二任有可能的一個狀況來做一個彙整這本席予以肯定為什麼因為畢竟雖然大家在講是說這個難以預測可是總是他已經當過一任的總統嘛那既然已經當過一任的美國總統的話他確實他第一任不管他的方向、做法以及策略跟第二任可能有規則可循不過我想在舊教裡面\n\n00:48.211 --> 01:02.801\n比較重要的地方在於是你的第16頁喔是未來觸及台灣：觸及美方的前兩項檢視標準被列為觀察名單是成常態主要是講是說因為2018年開始美中兩大強權所以造成說台灣對於美國的貿易順差持續的擴大是沒有錯\n\n01:09.462 --> 01:19.552\n2018年到現在之後,到底擴大到多少的一個程度?對,所以呢,所以我們這個圖啊,也有秀出了就往上升嘛,是不是?對,往上升,從109億到633億,這個就是\n\n01:26.138 --> 01:53.396\n因為他這個不是只有商品而已還包括服務商品服務兩樣那其中我特別看到是說你的第一個兩項檢視標準那有一個5的一個備註小字下面就講說三項檢視標準裡面第一對美商品跟服務貿易順差於150億美金是不是150億是多出來還是從以前到現在可能我們就有這樣的一個\n\n01:54.636 --> 02:22.441\n我們以前是沒有150億所以以前就是說所以你看從2018年以後我們就慢慢的一直增加到633億所以以前是沒有那現在是越來越來越來所以就是說這一項所以這150億是從什麼時候開始增加他在上一次幾年的時候他就開始因為這是你的報告啊你的報告2015年的時候他就提出就是說要150億\n\n02:24.061 --> 02:53.161\n2015年就提出要150億對好然後一直到現在所以說150億是美方那邊有提出的一個數字對是不是是沒有錯好那您看第17頁是台灣你的第三點台灣縮小對美國貿易順差的建議做法對這是您具體建議的央行總裁具體建議我們政府可能要怎麼做是擴大對美的採購能源對農產品跟軍品來縮小對美的貿易順差對是沒有錯\n\n02:54.321 --> 03:19.313\n好150億這個數字有沒有覺得很耳熟蛤?很耳熟阿最近好像在哪裡有聽過150億這個數字前兩天三大報頭版頭有沒有看到是三大報頭版頭寫什麼寫說民進黨政府有可能要跟美國提出軍品的採購清單阿是150億美金阿\n\n03:24.650 --> 03:42.915\n約合台幣5000億左右然後其中裡面包括F35包括愛國者飛彈等等大家那個時候覺得好奇啊這怎麼新聞怎麼來的外媒先講是說外媒先報導但之後第二天三大報頭版頭都一樣處理我們第一次看到三大報頭版頭針對一個外媒報導\n\n03:46.356 --> 04:02.200\n總統府否認說沒有這個事情沒有放話國防部部長也來立法院否認說沒有這個事情甚至國防部部長講說國防部沒有所謂的採購清單但是總裁我覺得你好像比較是一個講實話的人\n\n04:04.241 --> 04:19.904\n因為就你來講美國服務貿易順差達150億美元然後你們建議要對美國縮小貿易順差的建議做法就是採購美國的能源、農產品或是軍品怎麼那麼巧\n\n04:21.225 --> 04:40.573\n川普當選不到一個禮拜馬上我們偉大的政府就放消息說要採購150億美元的軍品但是怎樣對美國交代真的是還沒有人家還沒有上任但是交保護費我們已經想著要把白花花的鈔票要奉上了是不是\n\n04:41.273 --> 04:48.515\n數字怎麼會那麼剛好我也覺得很納悶我們的逆差150億馬上我們要補一個150億希望我們能夠採購150億而且當時我也講如果說我們一講說150億的話那會不會也讓美國或是我們在國防部我還是再一次強調軍品採購的部分如果說是我們需要的武器我們一定大力支持\n\n05:10.020 --> 05:29.866\n我們也希望中華民國有建軍有捍衛自主的能力但是如果說我們自己就先底牌講說我們準備了150要去購買武器的話那未來在溝通談判的當中美方軍品採購是美國的賣方市場不是買方市場所以未來在軍品採購的時候會不會增加我們談判的難度\n\n05:30.986 --> 05:42.676\n這邊是說有可能他會以150億往上起算底價就150億因為他是要說你已經你們三大報都已經講了台灣已經準備150億要來買武器啊所以未來他可能開價160、170億\n\n05:47.980 --> 06:02.728\n總裁,你的建議欸所以感覺起來是政府部沒有聽到你的建議沒有,不是你建議縮小美國順差的建議做法就是要採購軍品然後又看到了美國對我們的這個有150億美元\n\n06:07.590 --> 06:22.301\n然後我們現在被列為觀察名單是就是因為有這150億這個可能是巧合啦謝謝謝謝洪孟楷委員總裁是不是補書面的資料給洪孟楷委員好嗎我不知道總裁可以給我什麼樣的書面資料是給我們的採購清單證實這個這個總裁應該是不能辦公啦對因為是超過時間總裁我一數啦朝委站起來我尊重\n\n06:36.912 --> 06:58.513\n但我意思是說其實我相信你這一個報告是合理客觀的數據那如果說是這樣的話政府部門真的要做什麼事情應該要讓國人知道國人有知的權利今天如果真的是川普政府他上任他真的要求提出什麼樣要求國人也應該知道\n\n06:59.554 --> 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