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00:02:32,312\n不是就是說其實大家都知道COVID-19這個時候要訂出到2035我們整個都順著國際公約在做所以我們正在準備這個過程當中好那我們拉回來如果說要講COVID-19我們就來討論因為我也注意到說我們環境部有所謂的這個戰情中心是兩個部分大家也都講是說其實內行看門道外行看熱鬧那門道的部分就在於是說在這一次的會議\n\n8\n00:02:33,564 --> 00:03:00,339\n到底已開發國家願意拿出多少錢給開發中國家來去做共同檢探的一個目標錢才是重點嘛沒錢沒有辦法做嘛第二是他們提出來的2035年的一個檢探計畫檢探目標到底是不是能夠具體的落實因為檢探路徑大家去看就可以看出來是說玩真的玩假的那還有一個很重要是在國際原子能總署他們在開幕的那一天也強調\n\n9\n00:03:02,298 --> 00:03:24,410\n告28的時候有提出核能的運用要2050的時候要提高三倍2020的三倍以上就是說這個目標是不變的為什麼他認為是能源不管是燃氣燃煤都是大宗的排碳能源都是排碳等於減碳的這個罪狂很難對抗的敵人\n\n10\n00:03:24,910 --> 00:03:37,887\n也因此希望是用核能或者是說其他的再生能源來取代火力發電所以去年COVID-28的時候就已經有提出2050三倍的核能發電目標不變\n\n11\n00:03:41,091 --> 00:04:08,267\n那現在我先把它講完啦。您不用著急。川普總統上任。大家之前也都在談啦。就是說他有沒有可能也退出巴黎協定。這是第一個。或者是說他有沒有可能他支持石油跟燃氣發電。但不要忘記喔。川普總統即便是他選舉期間講說他支持石油跟燃氣的發電以及開採。但是他也同樣支持核能。\n\n12\n00:04:09,227 --> 00:04:15,245\n他也支持核能而且他也認為說核能應該要重啟阿對美國很多地方來講所以\n\n13\n00:04:16,280 --> 00:04:42,036\n拉回來我的問題其實還是很簡單啊老問題啊我們台灣有什麼本錢跟有什麼條件能夠跟世界趨勢背道而馳當世界看到減碳目標定在那邊當世界看到能源的運用燃煤燃氣都是排碳的大宗的時候結果台灣背道而馳的是我們把核電廠關掉然後結果我們現在剛剛此時此刻我查台電的官網\n\n14\n00:04:42,916 --> 00:05:03,892\n超過84%、85%火力全開發電那您覺得如果說以這樣的一個情況不改變世界都在重新重啓核能世界都在重新用核能甚至說2050要達到三倍的核能發電然後結果我們反而是背道而馳\n\n15\n00:05:05,420 --> 00:05:20,549\n來部長。包委員國際能源總署原子能總署他是提倡核能的我們一般會看IEA國際能源總署就跟我們國際的燃煤聯盟他當然希望全世界都要燃煤發電最有效我請教COP28的結論沒有核能的決議\n\n16\n00:05:21,269 --> 00:05:48,121\n二零五零提高二零三零的三倍沒有沒有這個決議那個是場外他們幾個國家但包括說美國包括說其實主要幾個加入國家也都有這樣的一個倡議報告委員那個沒有列入COVID-28的主決議那有沒有這樣的倡議有沒有這樣的一個討論有沒有這樣的一個方向某些國家的倡議是某些國家的倡議包括美國包括主要國家是那另外我剛講了嘛\n\n17\n00:05:49,221 --> 00:06:15,302\n就是說不只部長我現在不是要跟你爭執我沒有爭執我現在講的是客觀的事實就是說當世界各國即便是日本即便是日本發生了311事件但日本有沒有完全拋棄核能沒有啊日本他現在還是有重啓核能的計畫美國微軟Google他們有沒有在重啓核能有啊\n\n18\n00:06:16,735 --> 00:06:43,005\n那我不懂說你現在一直跟我爭執說這個不是決議這個只是倡議這個只是什麼但重點是當全世界大家都往這方向走我現在本期還再次強調我一直我也沒有說我一定要支持哪一個能源不可但現在我們全體人類面對的目標是什麼是2050要建林碳排是你2032年你們自己要提出來的減碳目標是你2030年你們自己講的減碳25%正負1你達不達到\n\n19\n00:06:46,229 --> 00:07:01,860\n所以其實大家是幫你想方設法你既然已經講出了一個減碳25%正負1的話那你要怎麼做我們大家在關心我們大家在害怕那其中最大宗的排碳大宗火力每天都全開那你跟我講是說時間到了2030就是減碳25%誰相信\n\n20\n00:07:07,386 --> 00:07:22,000\n當川普也都在擁抱核能當美國當COVID-19這一些國家大家都在擁抱他們也不一定都覺得說核能好啊但是核能要幹嘛核能取代不是取代再生能源核能取代是火力發電\n\n21\n00:07:23,362 --> 00:07:50,414\n是用核能取代用不排碳的發電方式去取代排碳的能源方式我們持續的推動再生能源的技術當哪一天再生能源技術真的我們人類有辦法把太陽能轉換成電能把太陽能把風力轉換100%電能的時候我們當然可以捨棄其他我們不要的能源發電啊但在這個過程當中過渡過程當中我們要很務實啊不是嗎那你身為環境部\n\n22\n00:07:52,179 --> 00:08:04,383\n我現在提出來你不是經濟部啊你不是台電主管啊你是環境部現在國內最大的排碳大宗就是發電站其中之一不是嗎結果我們開了兩次的這個會議國家氣候變遷委員會\n\n23\n00:08:09,765 --> 00:08:21,075\n難怪社會講大敗敗啊因為你沒有針對問題解決問題啊一直要求大家去節能減碳啊我想請教哪一個人不知道要隨手關燈隨手關店但如果說我們需要讓一個總統找環境部部長當執行秘書那麼國家級的大敗敗\n\n24\n00:08:28,241 --> 00:08:44,401\n結果到時候得出的結論不是我們要怎麼樣解決問題怎麼樣提出問題而是我們只告訴大家是說大家共挺時間一下吧那個結論不是這個樣子那個深度節能有很深的意義在裡面不是叫大家只有節能而已部長\n\n25\n00:08:45,546 --> 00:08:49,928\n你不要一直看著昭偉啦。你好像希望昭偉說時間到了,昭偉怎麼還不站起來?\n\n26\n00:08:49,928 --> 00:08:51,189\n是不是?\n\n27\n00:08:51,189 --> 00:08:59,913\n是,我知道,昭偉感謝啊。感謝你多讓我講這幾分鐘,因為我看部長好像眼神一直跟你求救,想說,欸,洪孟凱怎麼講?\n\n28\n00:08:59,913 --> 00:09:11,559\n還不站起來。部長,我說實在我不喜歡一直重複講這些事情。但是我覺得,如果說我們環境部主管國家的環境的組織單位,\n\n29\n00:09:15,060 --> 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29屆的這個氣候部高峰會議現在正在開啟。那當然我們國內沒有辦法受邀參加,但是我們也有所謂的總統的國家氣候變遷對策委員會。你也是委員之一嗎?我是執行秘書。執行秘書,好。今天有個社論標題嚇得很重。\n總統府氣候大敗敗再開下去有什麼意義不知道部長有沒有看到這個社論有看到其中他講到兩個部分就是說開了兩次會議第一次的結論根本也不能算是結論第二次比較重要第二次講是說什麼第二次講說\n要兩個一個是明年一月的時候要提出我國的2032年的減碳目標另外第二個是政府要帶頭減碳我先姑且不論說政府帶頭減碳是過去十幾二十年來大家已經共同共識嘛節能減碳這大家耳熟能詳了那第一個2032年的減碳目標我上一次也在這個委員會請教過你\n第一,2025年你們要減碳10%,你承諾,你已經親口證實了說會跳票,做不到。第二,2030減碳25%,正負1%,不知道。但2030還沒到,馬上又要再提出一個2032。所以現在是一直往後推就對了。報告委員不是的,因為我們準備,因為這次COVID-19,要聽到NDC3.0,就是說第三份,所以等於是要拉到2035。那2035在官方中央一定有2032的。\n所以你這一次的這個氣候變遷會議其實主要是因為我們這個COVID-29是不是?\n不是就是說其實大家都知道COVID-19這個時候要訂出到2035我們整個都順著國際公約在做所以我們正在準備這個過程當中好那我們拉回來如果說要講COVID-19我們就來討論因為我也注意到說我們環境部有所謂的這個戰情中心是兩個部分大家也都講是說其實內行看門道外行看熱鬧那門道的部分就在於是說在這一次的會議\n到底已開發國家願意拿出多少錢給開發中國家來去做共同檢探的一個目標錢才是重點嘛沒錢沒有辦法做嘛第二是他們提出來的2035年的一個檢探計畫檢探目標到底是不是能夠具體的落實因為檢探路徑大家去看就可以看出來是說玩真的玩假的那還有一個很重要是在國際原子能總署他們在開幕的那一天也強調\n告28的時候有提出核能的運用要2050的時候要提高三倍2020的三倍以上就是說這個目標是不變的為什麼他認為是能源不管是燃氣燃煤都是大宗的排碳能源都是排碳等於減碳的這個罪狂很難對抗的敵人\n也因此希望是用核能或者是說其他的再生能源來取代火力發電所以去年COVID-28的時候就已經有提出2050三倍的核能發電目標不變\n那現在我先把它講完啦。您不用著急。川普總統上任。大家之前也都在談啦。就是說他有沒有可能也退出巴黎協定。這是第一個。或者是說他有沒有可能他支持石油跟燃氣發電。但不要忘記喔。川普總統即便是他選舉期間講說他支持石油跟燃氣的發電以及開採。但是他也同樣支持核能。\n他也支持核能而且他也認為說核能應該要重啟阿對美國很多地方來講所以\n拉回來我的問題其實還是很簡單啊老問題啊我們台灣有什麼本錢跟有什麼條件能夠跟世界趨勢背道而馳當世界看到減碳目標定在那邊當世界看到能源的運用燃煤燃氣都是排碳的大宗的時候結果台灣背道而馳的是我們把核電廠關掉然後結果我們現在剛剛此時此刻我查台電的官網\n超過84%、85%火力全開發電那您覺得如果說以這樣的一個情況不改變世界都在重新重啓核能世界都在重新用核能甚至說2050要達到三倍的核能發電然後結果我們反而是背道而馳\n來部長。 包委員國際能源總署原子能總署他是提倡核能的我們一般會看IEA國際能源總署就跟我們國際的燃煤聯盟他當然希望全世界都要燃煤發電最有效我請教COP28的結論沒有核能的決議\n二零五零提高二零三零的三倍沒有沒有這個決議那個是場外他們幾個國家但包括說美國包括說其實主要幾個加入國家也都有這樣的一個倡議報告委員那個沒有列入COVID-28的主決議那有沒有這樣的倡議有沒有這樣的一個討論有沒有這樣的一個方向某些國家的倡議是某些國家的倡議包括美國包括主要國家是那另外我剛講了嘛\n就是說不只部長我現在不是要跟你爭執我沒有爭執我現在講的是客觀的事實就是說當世界各國即便是日本即便是日本發生了311事件但日本有沒有完全拋棄核能沒有啊日本他現在還是有重啓核能的計畫美國微軟Google他們有沒有在重啓核能有啊\n那我不懂說你現在一直跟我爭執說這個不是決議這個只是倡議這個只是什麼但重點是當全世界大家都往這方向走我現在本期還再次強調我一直我也沒有說我一定要支持哪一個能源不可但現在我們全體人類面對的目標是什麼是2050要建林碳排是你2032年你們自己要提出來的減碳目標是你2030年你們自己講的減碳25%正負1你達不達到\n所以其實大家是幫你想方設法你既然已經講出了一個減碳25%正負1的話那你要怎麼做我們大家在關心我們大家在害怕那其中最大宗的排碳大宗火力每天都全開那你跟我講是說時間到了2030就是減碳25%誰相信\n當川普也都在擁抱核能當美國當COVID-19這一些國家大家都在擁抱他們也不一定都覺得說核能好啊但是核能要幹嘛核能取代不是取代再生能源核能取代是火力發電\n是用核能取代用不排碳的發電方式去取代排碳的能源方式我們持續的推動再生能源的技術當哪一天再生能源技術真的我們人類有辦法把太陽能轉換成電能把太陽能把風力轉換100%電能的時候我們當然可以捨棄其他我們不要的能源發電啊但在這個過程當中過渡過程當中我們要很務實啊不是嗎那你身為環境部\n我現在提出來你不是經濟部啊你不是台電主管啊你是環境部現在國內最大的排碳大宗就是發電站其中之一不是嗎結果我們開了兩次的這個會議國家氣候變遷委員會\n難怪社會講大敗敗啊因為你沒有針對問題解決問題啊一直要求大家去節能減碳啊我想請教哪一個人不知道要隨手關燈隨手關店但如果說我們需要讓一個總統找環境部部長當執行秘書那麼國家級的大敗敗\n結果到時候得出的結論不是我們要怎麼樣解決問題怎麼樣提出問題而是我們只告訴大家是說大家共挺時間一下吧那個結論不是這個樣子那個深度節能有很深的意義在裡面不是叫大家只有節能而已部長\n你不要一直看著昭偉啦。你好像希望昭偉說時間到了,昭偉怎麼還不站起來?\n是不是?\n是,我知道,昭偉感謝啊。感謝你多讓我講這幾分鐘,因為我看部長好像眼神一直跟你求救,想說,欸,洪孟凱怎麼講?\n還不站起來。部長,我說實在我不喜歡一直重複講這些事情。但是我覺得,如果說我們環境部主管國家的環境的組織單位,\n但是就是每一個內容都沒有針對問題解決問題嗎?\n好謝謝。\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.608 --> 00:06.512\n主席謝謝也麻煩請我們環境部彭部長請彭部長\n\n00:10.663 --> 00:33.310\n黃委員好。好,部長好。部長COVID-1929屆的這個氣候部高峰會議現在正在開啟。那當然我們國內沒有辦法受邀參加,但是我們也有所謂的總統的國家氣候變遷對策委員會。你也是委員之一嗎?我是執行秘書。執行秘書,好。今天有個社論標題嚇得很重。\n\n00:36.899 --> 00:53.896\n總統府氣候大敗敗再開下去有什麼意義不知道部長有沒有看到這個社論有看到其中他講到兩個部分就是說開了兩次會議第一次的結論根本也不能算是結論第二次比較重要第二次講是說什麼第二次講說\n\n00:55.077 --> 01:17.239\n要兩個一個是明年一月的時候要提出我國的2032年的減碳目標另外第二個是政府要帶頭減碳我先姑且不論說政府帶頭減碳是過去十幾二十年來大家已經共同共識嘛節能減碳這大家耳熟能詳了那第一個2032年的減碳目標我上一次也在這個委員會請教過你\n\n01:18.780 --> 01:47.909\n第一,2025年你們要減碳10%,你承諾,你已經親口證實了說會跳票,做不到。第二,2030減碳25%,正負1%,不知道。但2030還沒到,馬上又要再提出一個2032。所以現在是一直往後推就對了。報告委員不是的,因為我們準備,因為這次COVID-19,要聽到NDC3.0,就是說第三份,所以等於是要拉到2035。那2035在官方中央一定有2032的。\n\n01:48.789 --> 01:50.751\n所以你這一次的這個氣候變遷會議其實主要是因為我們這個COVID-29是不是?\n\n02:06.114 --> 02:32.312\n不是就是說其實大家都知道COVID-19這個時候要訂出到2035我們整個都順著國際公約在做所以我們正在準備這個過程當中好那我們拉回來如果說要講COVID-19我們就來討論因為我也注意到說我們環境部有所謂的這個戰情中心是兩個部分大家也都講是說其實內行看門道外行看熱鬧那門道的部分就在於是說在這一次的會議\n\n02:33.564 --> 03:00.339\n到底已開發國家願意拿出多少錢給開發中國家來去做共同檢探的一個目標錢才是重點嘛沒錢沒有辦法做嘛第二是他們提出來的2035年的一個檢探計畫檢探目標到底是不是能夠具體的落實因為檢探路徑大家去看就可以看出來是說玩真的玩假的那還有一個很重要是在國際原子能總署他們在開幕的那一天也強調\n\n03:02.298 --> 03:24.410\n告28的時候有提出核能的運用要2050的時候要提高三倍2020的三倍以上就是說這個目標是不變的為什麼他認為是能源不管是燃氣燃煤都是大宗的排碳能源都是排碳等於減碳的這個罪狂很難對抗的敵人\n\n03:24.910 --> 03:37.887\n也因此希望是用核能或者是說其他的再生能源來取代火力發電所以去年COVID-28的時候就已經有提出2050三倍的核能發電目標不變\n\n03:41.091 --> 04:08.267\n那現在我先把它講完啦。您不用著急。川普總統上任。大家之前也都在談啦。就是說他有沒有可能也退出巴黎協定。這是第一個。或者是說他有沒有可能他支持石油跟燃氣發電。但不要忘記喔。川普總統即便是他選舉期間講說他支持石油跟燃氣的發電以及開採。但是他也同樣支持核能。\n\n04:09.227 --> 04:15.245\n他也支持核能而且他也認為說核能應該要重啟阿對美國很多地方來講所以\n\n04:16.280 --> 04:42.036\n拉回來我的問題其實還是很簡單啊老問題啊我們台灣有什麼本錢跟有什麼條件能夠跟世界趨勢背道而馳當世界看到減碳目標定在那邊當世界看到能源的運用燃煤燃氣都是排碳的大宗的時候結果台灣背道而馳的是我們把核電廠關掉然後結果我們現在剛剛此時此刻我查台電的官網\n\n04:42.916 --> 05:03.892\n超過84%、85%火力全開發電那您覺得如果說以這樣的一個情況不改變世界都在重新重啓核能世界都在重新用核能甚至說2050要達到三倍的核能發電然後結果我們反而是背道而馳\n\n05:05.420 --> 05:20.549\n來部長。包委員國際能源總署原子能總署他是提倡核能的我們一般會看IEA國際能源總署就跟我們國際的燃煤聯盟他當然希望全世界都要燃煤發電最有效我請教COP28的結論沒有核能的決議\n\n05:21.269 --> 05:48.121\n二零五零提高二零三零的三倍沒有沒有這個決議那個是場外他們幾個國家但包括說美國包括說其實主要幾個加入國家也都有這樣的一個倡議報告委員那個沒有列入COVID-28的主決議那有沒有這樣的倡議有沒有這樣的一個討論有沒有這樣的一個方向某些國家的倡議是某些國家的倡議包括美國包括主要國家是那另外我剛講了嘛\n\n05:49.221 --> 06:15.302\n就是說不只部長我現在不是要跟你爭執我沒有爭執我現在講的是客觀的事實就是說當世界各國即便是日本即便是日本發生了311事件但日本有沒有完全拋棄核能沒有啊日本他現在還是有重啓核能的計畫美國微軟Google他們有沒有在重啓核能有啊\n\n06:16.735 --> 06:43.005\n那我不懂說你現在一直跟我爭執說這個不是決議這個只是倡議這個只是什麼但重點是當全世界大家都往這方向走我現在本期還再次強調我一直我也沒有說我一定要支持哪一個能源不可但現在我們全體人類面對的目標是什麼是2050要建林碳排是你2032年你們自己要提出來的減碳目標是你2030年你們自己講的減碳25%正負1你達不達到\n\n06:46.229 --> 07:01.860\n所以其實大家是幫你想方設法你既然已經講出了一個減碳25%正負1的話那你要怎麼做我們大家在關心我們大家在害怕那其中最大宗的排碳大宗火力每天都全開那你跟我講是說時間到了2030就是減碳25%誰相信\n\n07:07.386 --> 07:22.000\n當川普也都在擁抱核能當美國當COVID-19這一些國家大家都在擁抱他們也不一定都覺得說核能好啊但是核能要幹嘛核能取代不是取代再生能源核能取代是火力發電\n\n07:23.362 --> 07:50.414\n是用核能取代用不排碳的發電方式去取代排碳的能源方式我們持續的推動再生能源的技術當哪一天再生能源技術真的我們人類有辦法把太陽能轉換成電能把太陽能把風力轉換100%電能的時候我們當然可以捨棄其他我們不要的能源發電啊但在這個過程當中過渡過程當中我們要很務實啊不是嗎那你身為環境部\n\n07:52.179 --> 08:04.383\n我現在提出來你不是經濟部啊你不是台電主管啊你是環境部現在國內最大的排碳大宗就是發電站其中之一不是嗎結果我們開了兩次的這個會議國家氣候變遷委員會\n\n08:09.765 --> 08:21.075\n難怪社會講大敗敗啊因為你沒有針對問題解決問題啊一直要求大家去節能減碳啊我想請教哪一個人不知道要隨手關燈隨手關店但如果說我們需要讓一個總統找環境部部長當執行秘書那麼國家級的大敗敗\n\n08:28.241 --> 08:44.401\n結果到時候得出的結論不是我們要怎麼樣解決問題怎麼樣提出問題而是我們只告訴大家是說大家共挺時間一下吧那個結論不是這個樣子那個深度節能有很深的意義在裡面不是叫大家只有節能而已部長\n\n08:45.546 --> 08:49.928\n你不要一直看著昭偉啦。你好像希望昭偉說時間到了,昭偉怎麼還不站起來?\n\n08:49.928 --> 08:51.189\n是不是?\n\n08:51.189 --> 08:59.913\n是,我知道,昭偉感謝啊。感謝你多讓我講這幾分鐘,因為我看部長好像眼神一直跟你求救,想說,欸,洪孟凱怎麼講?\n\n08:59.913 --> 09:11.559\n還不站起來。部長,我說實在我不喜歡一直重複講這些事情。但是我覺得,如果說我們環境部主管國家的環境的組織單位,\n\n09:15.060 --> 09:15.781\n但是就是每一個內容都沒有針對問題解決問題嗎?\n\n09:45.691 --> 09:45.711\n好謝謝。\n\n","segments":[{"start":4.608,"end":6.512,"text":"主席謝謝也麻煩請我們環境部彭部長請彭部長"},{"start":10.663,"end":33.31,"text":"黃委員好。好,部長好。部長COVID-19 29屆的這個氣候部高峰會議現在正在開啟。那當然我們國內沒有辦法受邀參加,但是我們也有所謂的總統的國家氣候變遷對策委員會。你也是委員之一嗎?我是執行秘書。執行秘書,好。今天有個社論標題嚇得很重。"},{"start":36.899,"end":53.896,"text":"總統府氣候大敗敗再開下去有什麼意義不知道部長有沒有看到這個社論有看到其中他講到兩個部分就是說開了兩次會議第一次的結論根本也不能算是結論第二次比較重要第二次講是說什麼第二次講說"},{"start":55.077,"end":77.239,"text":"要兩個一個是明年一月的時候要提出我國的2032年的減碳目標另外第二個是政府要帶頭減碳我先姑且不論說政府帶頭減碳是過去十幾二十年來大家已經共同共識嘛節能減碳這大家耳熟能詳了那第一個2032年的減碳目標我上一次也在這個委員會請教過你"},{"start":78.78,"end":107.909,"text":"第一,2025年你們要減碳10%,你承諾,你已經親口證實了說會跳票,做不到。第二,2030減碳25%,正負1%,不知道。但2030還沒到,馬上又要再提出一個2032。所以現在是一直往後推就對了。報告委員不是的,因為我們準備,因為這次COVID-19,要聽到NDC3.0,就是說第三份,所以等於是要拉到2035。那2035在官方中央一定有2032的。"},{"start":108.789,"end":110.751,"text":"所以你這一次的這個氣候變遷會議其實主要是因為我們這個COVID-29是不是?"},{"start":126.114,"end":152.312,"text":"不是就是說其實大家都知道COVID-19這個時候要訂出到2035我們整個都順著國際公約在做所以我們正在準備這個過程當中好那我們拉回來如果說要講COVID-19我們就來討論因為我也注意到說我們環境部有所謂的這個戰情中心是兩個部分大家也都講是說其實內行看門道外行看熱鬧那門道的部分就在於是說在這一次的會議"},{"start":153.564,"end":180.339,"text":"到底已開發國家願意拿出多少錢給開發中國家來去做共同檢探的一個目標錢才是重點嘛沒錢沒有辦法做嘛第二是他們提出來的2035年的一個檢探計畫檢探目標到底是不是能夠具體的落實因為檢探路徑大家去看就可以看出來是說玩真的玩假的那還有一個很重要是在國際原子能總署他們在開幕的那一天也強調"},{"start":182.298,"end":204.41,"text":"告28的時候有提出核能的運用要2050的時候要提高三倍2020的三倍以上就是說這個目標是不變的為什麼他認為是能源不管是燃氣燃煤都是大宗的排碳能源都是排碳等於減碳的這個罪狂很難對抗的敵人"},{"start":204.91,"end":217.887,"text":"也因此希望是用核能或者是說其他的再生能源來取代火力發電所以去年COVID-28的時候就已經有提出2050三倍的核能發電目標不變"},{"start":221.091,"end":248.267,"text":"那現在我先把它講完啦。您不用著急。川普總統上任。大家之前也都在談啦。就是說他有沒有可能也退出巴黎協定。這是第一個。或者是說他有沒有可能他支持石油跟燃氣發電。但不要忘記喔。川普總統即便是他選舉期間講說他支持石油跟燃氣的發電以及開採。但是他也同樣支持核能。"},{"start":249.227,"end":255.245,"text":"他也支持核能而且他也認為說核能應該要重啟阿對美國很多地方來講所以"},{"start":256.28,"end":282.036,"text":"拉回來我的問題其實還是很簡單啊老問題啊我們台灣有什麼本錢跟有什麼條件能夠跟世界趨勢背道而馳當世界看到減碳目標定在那邊當世界看到能源的運用燃煤燃氣都是排碳的大宗的時候結果台灣背道而馳的是我們把核電廠關掉然後結果我們現在剛剛此時此刻我查台電的官網"},{"start":282.916,"end":303.892,"text":"超過84%、85%火力全開發電那您覺得如果說以這樣的一個情況不改變世界都在重新重啓核能世界都在重新用核能甚至說2050要達到三倍的核能發電然後結果我們反而是背道而馳"},{"start":305.42,"end":320.549,"text":"來部長。 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