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00:03:02,218\n好謝謝部長那我就要開始講了為什麼呢因為對於我們來講現在綠色經濟就是險學嘛那我們也希望說可以在我們的山林可以開始去種碳所以呢我們有很多的原住民族人\n\n10\n00:03:03,398 --> 00:03:28,319\n這兩三年他們也不斷的聽說未來碳有價的時代會來臨我們對於自己的自然碳會也覺得很有信心但是因為大家也不是很懂所以他們常常也面臨到企業來找他們要談合作可是現在是一個詐騙的時代嘛所以大家也都會很害怕因此我在8月2號的時候我有開了一個公聽會\n\n11\n00:03:29,460 --> 00:03:47,236\n就是讓我們的這一些企業跟我們的原鄉族人那麼能不能夠有一個原鄉碳會的ESG的公益平台那麼在這個當中其實我很高興因為後續有了一些迴響像是11月25號\n\n12\n00:03:48,837 --> 00:03:56,543\nbicyc,臺灣吉寶結算所呢,他願意來支持這個原鄉碳匯ESG的平臺。所以呢,他們也找到了桃園復興區一個幾百公頃的地,要來跟他們去做一個NOU的簽署儀式,就是讓企業,然後臺灣吉寶結算所以及我們的族人\n\n13\n00:04:10,874 --> 00:04:26,072\n其作一個三方契約的一個NOU的簽署遺書那我也是在想說部長如果你有空有機會的話應該可以去給他們一下鼓勵那另外一個部分公聽會之後呢我們有一群\n\n14\n00:04:26,713 --> 00:04:27,433\n關於環境部部主管預算\n\n15\n00:04:47,759 --> 00:04:48,360\n二、廣告中央政府總預算\n\n16\n00:05:05,462 --> 00:05:19,903\n大家都已經耀耀欲試可是很多的問題需要去確認特別是方法學的部分那在這邊我們也看到在去年的10月有發布一個溫室氣體自願減量的專案管理辦法\n\n17\n00:05:21,866 --> 00:05:39,020\n有公開了13類143項多元減量的方法那2025年呢也開始要來去做一個碳費的申請那2026就會來徵收我現在是想要問我們原鄉齁在這個自然碳費的部分\n\n18\n00:05:39,821 --> 00:05:59,454\n我們很想要去肯認嘛因為現在只有新植林只有濕地但是我們很關心竹林呢森林呢還有土地的管理方法呢像這一些我們的自然碳會才可能有一席之地嘛所以這個部分我想要了解現在的進度如何\n\n19\n00:06:00,428 --> 00:06:22,239\n報告委員這前面兩個方法已經公告了通過了吼那另外一個是我們環境部跟原民會跟農業部組成一個平台是不是請我們署長來跟他報告因為剛開過會好謝謝我們現在已經除了原本的植樹造林之外現在就是有竹林經營跟森林經營但是因為這些內容比較複雜所以環境部會把它做成懶人包\n\n20\n00:06:22,679 --> 00:06:23,980\n二、審查中華民國113年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部部長列席報告案二、審查中華民國113年度\n\n21\n00:06:39,329 --> 00:06:59,230\n但我們也發現到說當然現在第一波堆的是重工業嘛但是國內外第三方驗證機構現在是不到15家而且這個驗證費用目前上路的這些所謂的重工業其實他們驗證費100萬對他們來講也沒有什麼可是我要說的是未來呢\n\n22\n00:07:00,091 --> 00:07:00,471\nbicyclap\n\n23\n00:07:20,666 --> 00:07:30,973\n那這個部分查驗機構的成立新增查驗的項目增加人員的培訓好我們來看一下預算我這邊看到我們的溫室氣體管理基金目前114年從公務預算有撥補6.7億進來\n\n24\n00:07:36,596 --> 00:07:47,662\n但是我想先請教因為我們知道未來徵收的碳費呢會撥入到溫室氣體管理基金那請教一下部長如果2016年2026年你們預估會收多少進來大概60億左右\n\n25\n00:07:52,885 --> 00:08:04,760\n會有60億拿進來好那我看一下喔以這個目前114年撥補進來的6.7億齁放在人力培育的只有4469萬佔7將近8%那部長您覺得這樣夠嗎\n\n26\n00:08:10,847 --> 00:08:34,847\n這個當然現在因為我們還有一個是國安院也有一部分的經費啦所以當然現在還是不夠的我們希望我們看費的時候可以加強那我希望說未來我們2026年收進來這個溫管基金要做很多很多的事那我就是想要問部長這個溫管基金的分配還有它的用途誰可以參與決定為什麼我很關心因為我們有參與棄遷法的修法\n\n27\n00:08:37,629 --> 00:09:05,481\n把這個文室管理辦法變成了7000法之後法條有寫得很清楚政府與原住民族共同推動及管理原住民族地區內之自然碳會該區域內新增碳會之相關權益應與原住民族共享所以呢我在這裡就是想要問一下部長您可不可以就是就您所知你們有沒有往這個利益共享的部分來去做一個這樣的規劃\n\n28\n00:09:07,573 --> 00:09:09,015\n利益共享的部分\n\n29\n00:09:23,553 --> 00:09:50,107\n我希望部長您可能要特別的來注意因為在這個部分包括未來這個審議他的機關學者專家代表原住民的代表我們希望說我們部長在推動這些碳會的計畫要重視原住民的權益跟參與希望我們有決策發言權也能夠參與這個很重要的這個邁向碳有價的時代近鄰談判的時代好不好\n\n30\n00:09:53,189 --> 00:10:01,233\n謝謝主席也希望就是給我在一週內能夠就我剛剛所講的來做一個說明謝謝部長謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8563\t10544\t謝謝主席 有請部長委員好部長好我剛從財政委員會下來那今天財政委員會的專報是來針對就是美國川普當選之後那對我們整個前景的一個衝擊跟影響這很有趣因為川普一當選\n33513\t34894\t公務及基金預算僅詢公務及基金預算\n56289\t80356\t那我們也覺得好像也不是空穴來風因為他任命新的這個環保署長是反綠能的嘛那我們也看到他在第一次當選的時候他就立刻退出巴黎協定嘛他競選期間他有說如果他再當選還會再退出嘛所以種種這些跡象包括他未來他們的一些氣候法案\n80936\t81637\tbicyC.\n81637\t82017\t經管會主委、央行他們都說\n101713\t116672\t我們國家的這個綠能經濟的政策檢探的政策是對的方向那既定不會改變也覺得未來不會受到影響我就想請教第一個問題部長您覺得那些歐盟會被退出\n117879\t137639\t是不會推出美國可能會暫時有一點影響不過目前是因為我們也非常深刻的研究了川普總統可能的這個政策的走向那我們認為是正向樂觀的因為其實他可能對巴黎協定有一點意見但是其實整個全世界的這個禁令的路上是非常筆直的而且\n138200\t143721\t所以有沒有預算的一個支持其實反而是我們必須要關注的一個方向對不對我認為對台灣的利益來看的話我們還是需要跟美國做好一個好朋友所以我們未來的調整策略也會省時度式的來做該有的應對\n165006\t182218\t好謝謝部長那我就要開始講了為什麼呢因為對於我們來講現在綠色經濟就是險學嘛那我們也希望說可以在我們的山林可以開始去種碳所以呢我們有很多的原住民族人\n183398\t208319\t這兩三年他們也不斷的聽說未來碳有價的時代會來臨我們對於自己的自然碳會也覺得很有信心但是因為大家也不是很懂所以他們常常也面臨到企業來找他們要談合作可是現在是一個詐騙的時代嘛所以大家也都會很害怕因此我在8月2號的時候我有開了一個公聽會\n209460\t227236\t就是讓我們的這一些企業跟我們的原鄉族人那麼能不能夠有一個原鄉碳會的ESG的公益平台那麼在這個當中其實我很高興因為後續有了一些迴響像是11月25號\n228837\t236543\tbicyc, 臺灣吉寶結算所呢,他願意來支持這個原鄉碳匯ESG的平臺。所以呢,他們也找到了桃園復興區一個幾百公頃的地,要來跟他們去做一個NOU的簽署儀式,就是讓企業,然後臺灣吉寶結算所以及我們的族人\n250874\t266072\t其作一個三方契約的一個NOU的簽署遺書那我也是在想說部長如果你有空有機會的話應該可以去給他們一下鼓勵那另外一個部分公聽會之後呢我們有一群\n266713\t267433\t關於環境部部主管預算\n287759\t288360\t二、廣告中央政府總預算\n305462\t319903\t大家都已經耀耀欲試可是很多的問題需要去確認特別是方法學的部分那在這邊我們也看到在去年的10月有發布一個溫室氣體自願減量的專案管理辦法\n321866\t339020\t有公開了13類143項多元減量的方法那2025年呢也開始要來去做一個碳費的申請那2026就會來徵收我現在是想要問我們原鄉齁在這個自然碳費的部分\n339821\t359454\t我們很想要去肯認嘛因為現在只有新植林只有濕地但是我們很關心竹林呢森林呢還有土地的管理方法呢像這一些我們的自然碳會才可能有一席之地嘛所以這個部分我想要了解現在的進度如何\n360428\t382239\t報告委員這前面兩個方法已經公告了通過了吼那另外一個是我們環境部跟原民會跟農業部組成一個平台是不是請我們署長來跟他報告因為剛開過會好謝謝我們現在已經除了原本的植樹造林之外現在就是有竹林經營跟森林經營但是因為這些內容比較複雜所以環境部會把它做成懶人包\n382679\t383980\t二、審查中華民國113年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部部長列席報告案二、審查中華民國113年度\n399329\t419230\t但我們也發現到說當然現在第一波堆的是重工業嘛但是國內外第三方驗證機構現在是不到15家而且這個驗證費用目前上路的這些所謂的重工業其實他們驗證費100萬對他們來講也沒有什麼可是我要說的是未來呢\n420091\t420471\tbicyclap\n440666\t450973\t那這個部分查驗機構的成立新增查驗的項目增加人員的培訓好我們來看一下預算我這邊看到我們的溫室氣體管理基金目前114年從公務預算有撥補6.7億進來\n456596\t467662\t但是我想先請教因為我們知道未來徵收的碳費呢會撥入到溫室氣體管理基金那請教一下部長如果2016年2026年你們預估會收多少進來大概60億左右\n472885\t484760\t會有60億拿進來好那我看一下喔以這個目前114年撥補進來的6.7億齁放在人力培育的只有4469萬佔7將近8%那部長您覺得這樣夠嗎\n490847\t514847\t這個當然現在因為我們還有一個是國安院也有一部分的經費啦所以當然現在還是不夠的我們希望我們看費的時候可以加強那我希望說未來我們2026年收進來這個溫管基金要做很多很多的事那我就是想要問部長這個溫管基金的分配還有它的用途誰可以參與決定為什麼我很關心因為我們有參與棄遷法的修法\n517629\t545481\t把這個文室管理辦法變成了7000法之後法條有寫得很清楚政府與原住民族共同推動及管理原住民族地區內之自然碳會該區域內新增碳會之相關權益應與原住民族共享所以呢我在這裡就是想要問一下部長您可不可以就是就您所知你們有沒有往這個利益共享的部分來去做一個這樣的規劃\n547573\t549015\t利益共享的部分\n563553\t590107\t我希望部長您可能要特別的來注意因為在這個部分包括未來這個審議他的機關學者專家代表原住民的代表我們希望說我們部長在推動這些碳會的計畫要重視原住民的權益跟參與希望我們有決策發言權也能夠參與這個很重要的這個邁向碳有價的時代近鄰談判的時代好不好\n593189\t601233\t謝謝主席也希望就是給我在一週內能夠就我剛剛所講的來做一個說明謝謝部長謝謝主席\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請部長委員好部長好我剛從財政委員會下來那今天財政委員會的專報是來針對就是美國川普當選之後那對我們整個前景的一個衝擊跟影響這很有趣因為川普一當選\n公務及基金預算僅詢公務及基金預算\n那我們也覺得好像也不是空穴來風因為他任命新的這個環保署長是反綠能的嘛那我們也看到他在第一次當選的時候他就立刻退出巴黎協定嘛他競選期間他有說如果他再當選還會再退出嘛所以種種這些跡象包括他未來他們的一些氣候法案\nbicyC.\n經管會主委、央行他們都說\n我們國家的這個綠能經濟的政策檢探的政策是對的方向那既定不會改變也覺得未來不會受到影響我就想請教第一個問題部長您覺得那些歐盟會被退出\n是不會推出美國可能會暫時有一點影響不過目前是因為我們也非常深刻的研究了川普總統可能的這個政策的走向那我們認為是正向樂觀的因為其實他可能對巴黎協定有一點意見但是其實整個全世界的這個禁令的路上是非常筆直的而且\n所以有沒有預算的一個支持其實反而是我們必須要關注的一個方向對不對我認為對台灣的利益來看的話我們還是需要跟美國做好一個好朋友所以我們未來的調整策略也會省時度式的來做該有的應對\n好謝謝部長那我就要開始講了為什麼呢因為對於我們來講現在綠色經濟就是險學嘛那我們也希望說可以在我們的山林可以開始去種碳所以呢我們有很多的原住民族人\n這兩三年他們也不斷的聽說未來碳有價的時代會來臨我們對於自己的自然碳會也覺得很有信心但是因為大家也不是很懂所以他們常常也面臨到企業來找他們要談合作可是現在是一個詐騙的時代嘛所以大家也都會很害怕因此我在8月2號的時候我有開了一個公聽會\n就是讓我們的這一些企業跟我們的原鄉族人那麼能不能夠有一個原鄉碳會的ESG的公益平台那麼在這個當中其實我很高興因為後續有了一些迴響像是11月25號\nbicyc, 臺灣吉寶結算所呢,他願意來支持這個原鄉碳匯ESG的平臺。所以呢,他們也找到了桃園復興區一個幾百公頃的地,要來跟他們去做一個NOU的簽署儀式,就是讓企業,然後臺灣吉寶結算所以及我們的族人\n其作一個三方契約的一個NOU的簽署遺書那我也是在想說部長如果你有空有機會的話應該可以去給他們一下鼓勵那另外一個部分公聽會之後呢我們有一群\n關於環境部部主管預算\n二、廣告中央政府總預算\n大家都已經耀耀欲試可是很多的問題需要去確認特別是方法學的部分那在這邊我們也看到在去年的10月有發布一個溫室氣體自願減量的專案管理辦法\n有公開了13類143項多元減量的方法那2025年呢也開始要來去做一個碳費的申請那2026就會來徵收我現在是想要問我們原鄉齁在這個自然碳費的部分\n我們很想要去肯認嘛因為現在只有新植林只有濕地但是我們很關心竹林呢森林呢還有土地的管理方法呢像這一些我們的自然碳會才可能有一席之地嘛所以這個部分我想要了解現在的進度如何\n報告委員這前面兩個方法已經公告了通過了吼那另外一個是我們環境部跟原民會跟農業部組成一個平台是不是請我們署長來跟他報告因為剛開過會好謝謝我們現在已經除了原本的植樹造林之外現在就是有竹林經營跟森林經營但是因為這些內容比較複雜所以環境部會把它做成懶人包\n二、審查中華民國113年度中央政府總預算案關於環境部部長列席報告案二、審查中華民國113年度\n但我們也發現到說當然現在第一波堆的是重工業嘛但是國內外第三方驗證機構現在是不到15家而且這個驗證費用目前上路的這些所謂的重工業其實他們驗證費100萬對他們來講也沒有什麼可是我要說的是未來呢\nbicyclap\n那這個部分查驗機構的成立新增查驗的項目增加人員的培訓好我們來看一下預算我這邊看到我們的溫室氣體管理基金目前114年從公務預算有撥補6.7億進來\n但是我想先請教因為我們知道未來徵收的碳費呢會撥入到溫室氣體管理基金那請教一下部長如果2016年2026年你們預估會收多少進來大概60億左右\n會有60億拿進來好那我看一下喔以這個目前114年撥補進來的6.7億齁放在人力培育的只有4469萬佔7將近8%那部長您覺得這樣夠嗎\n這個當然現在因為我們還有一個是國安院也有一部分的經費啦所以當然現在還是不夠的我們希望我們看費的時候可以加強那我希望說未來我們2026年收進來這個溫管基金要做很多很多的事那我就是想要問部長這個溫管基金的分配還有它的用途誰可以參與決定為什麼我很關心因為我們有參與棄遷法的修法\n把這個文室管理辦法變成了7000法之後法條有寫得很清楚政府與原住民族共同推動及管理原住民族地區內之自然碳會該區域內新增碳會之相關權益應與原住民族共享所以呢我在這裡就是想要問一下部長您可不可以就是就您所知你們有沒有往這個利益共享的部分來去做一個這樣的規劃\n利益共享的部分\n我希望部長您可能要特別的來注意因為在這個部分包括未來這個審議他的機關學者專家代表原住民的代表我們希望說我們部長在推動這些碳會的計畫要重視原住民的權益跟參與希望我們有決策發言權也能夠參與這個很重要的這個邁向碳有價的時代近鄰談判的時代好不好\n謝謝主席也希望就是給我在一週內能夠就我剛剛所講的來做一個說明謝謝部長謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.563 --> 00:10.544\n謝謝主席有請部長委員好部長好我剛從財政委員會下來那今天財政委員會的專報是來針對就是美國川普當選之後那對我們整個前景的一個衝擊跟影響這很有趣因為川普一當選\n\n00:33.513 --> 00:34.894\n公務及基金預算僅詢公務及基金預算\n\n00:56.289 --> 01:20.356\n那我們也覺得好像也不是空穴來風因為他任命新的這個環保署長是反綠能的嘛那我們也看到他在第一次當選的時候他就立刻退出巴黎協定嘛他競選期間他有說如果他再當選還會再退出嘛所以種種這些跡象包括他未來他們的一些氣候法案\n\n01:20.936 --> 01:21.637\nbicyC.\n\n01:21.637 --> 01:22.017\n經管會主委、央行他們都說\n\n01:41.713 --> 01:56.672\n我們國家的這個綠能經濟的政策檢探的政策是對的方向那既定不會改變也覺得未來不會受到影響我就想請教第一個問題部長您覺得那些歐盟會被退出\n\n01:57.879 --> 02:17.639\n是不會推出美國可能會暫時有一點影響不過目前是因為我們也非常深刻的研究了川普總統可能的這個政策的走向那我們認為是正向樂觀的因為其實他可能對巴黎協定有一點意見但是其實整個全世界的這個禁令的路上是非常筆直的而且\n\n02:18.200 --> 02:23.721\n所以有沒有預算的一個支持其實反而是我們必須要關注的一個方向對不對我認為對台灣的利益來看的話我們還是需要跟美國做好一個好朋友所以我們未來的調整策略也會省時度式的來做該有的應對\n\n02:45.006 --> 03:02.218\n好謝謝部長那我就要開始講了為什麼呢因為對於我們來講現在綠色經濟就是險學嘛那我們也希望說可以在我們的山林可以開始去種碳所以呢我們有很多的原住民族人\n\n03:03.398 --> 03:28.319\n這兩三年他們也不斷的聽說未來碳有價的時代會來臨我們對於自己的自然碳會也覺得很有信心但是因為大家也不是很懂所以他們常常也面臨到企業來找他們要談合作可是現在是一個詐騙的時代嘛所以大家也都會很害怕因此我在8月2號的時候我有開了一個公聽會\n\n03:29.460 --> 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Tahovecahe委員：謝謝部長，謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝伍麗華委員。","接下來請牛煦庭委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":348,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-26-8","speakers":["黃秀芳","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","王育敏","邱鎮軍","廖偉翔","盧縣一","蘇清泉","王正旭","楊瓊瓔","林淑芬","洪申翰","黃建賓","涂權吉","林俊憲","陳瑩","陳培瑜","洪孟楷","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","牛煦庭","葉元之","劉建國","楊曜","張雅琳"],"page_start":85,"meetingDate":["2024-11-14"],"gazette_id":"11310001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310001_00003"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、繼續處理中華民國113年度中央政府總預算有關衛生福利部主管預算凍結報告案2案；二、邀\n請環境部部長列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；三、審查中華民國 114年度中央政府總預算案關於\n環境部主管預算（公務及基金預算）（僅詢答）；四、審查環境部函送財團法人環境資源研究發\n展基金會等4家財團法人114年度預算書案（僅詢答）","agenda_id":"11310001_00002"}}}