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00:02:23,374\n大學校院的校長們做這樣一個分享我們不要只看每一年譬如說不管你18萬的新生人這個大學新生還是15萬其實就大學高等教育的一個想像你要不要再從一個更\n\n7\n00:02:24,495 --> 00:02:48,124\n積蓄的一個層面,你的學生來源設定在30歲以後每年至少有1000萬對部長這個就是本期首先要請對我們的這個蠻共識的方向一致所以我也請你把你研議要怎麼精準方案預防方案那請順便資料給本席喔因為我不希望是以救濟的方式\n\n8\n00:02:48,584 --> 00:03:05,212\n因為我們只要確保教育品質我們當然希望它是永續發展所以我們也有相對的一些法令上的一個鬆綁也希望能夠大學能夠勇於在這個在許多這個教育的一個發展學校治理能夠建立特色\n\n9\n00:03:06,472 --> 00:03:19,405\n大學之後之前還有私立高中的議案所以這個退場機制本來是希望私立高中的部分不及大學的一個公開透明所以這一點也請精進我想對整個教育的體系會有幫助你認同吧是\n\n10\n00:03:24,710 --> 00:03:26,851\n高校生根計劃到目前為止,國科、國發會認為必須要有36,994人的研討,到目前為止,第二期編列204億多\n\n11\n00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:45,740\n請教部長\n\n12\n00:04:00,943 --> 00:04:24,477\n謝謝委員關心我們高等教育在人才培育跟產業的一個連結甚至這個學用減少那個落差確實我們在這一個這些年來我們在師處裡邊各師處裡邊在對高等教育人才培育我們不僅從產業他提他的需求然後有許多的那些產學合作的專班甚至我們透過\n\n13\n00:04:25,137 --> 00:04:25,758\n教育部宣布在去年\n\n14\n00:04:42,193 --> 00:05:02,584\n一年要2億多的經費也就是所謂的貧窮月金的這個方案當這個政策提出本席非常的感動所以本席要請教今年是首先率先的第一年執行的成效怎麼樣預算到目前為止運用了多少\n\n15\n00:05:04,248 --> 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