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00:01:49,624\n上一次10月16號我提出的這個質詢後來被修理得很慘我提出這個表來說學生越來越少那預算越來越多我們從93年教育預算是1367億到113年是3390億增加了2000億但是我們的學生人數呢從93年的505萬\n\n5\n00:02:00,791 --> 00:02:27,367\n到113年的404萬減少了100萬人那為什麼預算越來越多那個講的就是說大家就說這個委員太俗氣了教育是崇高的事業怎麼可以從這種算錢的問題來這一個所以呢應該沒有這樣的一個意思沒有這樣的意思那是不是請部長解釋這是什麼狀況\n\n6\n00:02:30,336 --> 00:02:53,099\n我想當然這個少子化學生人數確實是減少那物價指數當然有一些這個也有部分的增加但是就陳儒委員今天關心的大學怎麼樣永續發展從終身學習的一個概念讓大學有一個更更好的一些這個發展我想\n\n7\n00:02:54,000 --> 00:03:18,054\n這也是政府基本上的一個態度我們希望他能夠在教育品質隨著這個經費在我們的這個整個總體的一個這個經濟裡邊我們能夠有更多的一些資源來挹注這個大學今天新聞當中很被重視的就是川普宣布要成立政府效率部\n\n8\n00:03:18,934 --> 00:03:46,673\n然後指派由馬斯克還有拉瑪斯瓦米兩位企業家來率領領導政府的效率部他們認為政府要解構官僚體系消除凡文怒節、尊潔浪費支出、重整聯邦機構這一個部長覺得我們中華民國政府是不是也需要來一個效率部\n\n9\n00:03:49,183 --> 00:03:52,905\n政府的效率這是每一個國家都會追求的。\n\n10\n00:04:03,532 --> 00:04:19,405\n這絕對是大大的支持在國會當中對於教育很多但是我們這個的效率是不是能夠更加的精實、更加的精進包括很多大學看起來財務還是虧損狀態還是國立的所以這一個還是要有企業家精神\n\n11\n00:04:28,173 --> 00:04:29,517\n還是我們教育應該有經濟的地方還是很多啦\n\n12\n00:04:35,506 --> 00:05:00,146\n然後這裡來講就是說這一直我在立法院提倡的叫壯士代這個是國發會的資料我們1970年代的時候人口是長金字塔的樣子年齡中位數是19歲也就是說一半的人在19歲以下到2040年我們的年齡中位數是52歲\n\n13\n00:05:02,789 --> 00:05:18,581\n從19歲到變成52歲這是一個社會結構最基本的東西各位跟教育絕對有非常密切的關係不曉得大家有沒有注意到整個教育體系所以現在因為\n\n14\n00:05:19,662 --> 00:05:35,319\n大家都還是停留在1970年代的思維金字塔認為年輕的孩子很多所以才會造成現在大學的困境從這個表當中國畫會的推估今年我們的大學人口還有87萬到2040年會剩下67萬\n\n15\n00:05:39,642 --> 00:05:54,869\n如果到了2070年如果低推過來獎會剩下31萬幾乎剩下三分之一那我不曉得所謂的學校的一個計畫有沒有把這個變數納進來整個教育的一個\n\n16\n00:06:00,992 --> 00:06:27,510\n部長你剛來的時候所以我也給你加油我們鄭部長第一個有提悟到這個問題因為針對少子化所以大學要敞開大門大學不是只有18歲來唸的我們應該是全年齡都可以來唸的部長一開始我記得對委員提出第三人生大學這個壯士代也非常的佩服包括那個林青霞\n\n17\n00:06:29,471 --> 00:06:40,500\n說他在電影裡面經常演大學生,但是他最大遺憾就是沒進大學現在我們60歲,平均60歲退休,60歲已經將近600萬人\n\n18\n00:06:43,127 --> 00:07:01,664\n這些人大概只有10%人經過大學因為以前大學門檻很高很難進去所以這些人叫圓夢嘛他們想進大學那這是不是一個很好這些人掌握壯世代55歲以上掌握臺灣三分之二的財富\n\n19\n00:07:02,705 --> 00:07:30,114\n然後呢他們很想進大學這是我對委員配伍的地方因為他確實是一個很好的想法如果企業家來講早就想到這個也會有我們終身學習的一個政策另外這個是解決少子化的問題我們未來因為高齡化這叫扶養比高齡化被扶養的當分子然後工作人口當分母\n\n20\n00:07:31,014 --> 00:07:55,456\n因為高齡化所以分子越來越大因為少子化分母越來越小目前是3.6比1啦3.6個人撫養一個到2041年變2比1到2057年變1比1年輕人就被壓垮了啦那怎麼解決撞世代的方法就是把分子撞起來拉下來當分母嘛分母就很強壯那怎麼撞起來就是要進大學啊\n\n21\n00:07:56,718 --> 00:08:11,836\n他們到60歲現在醫學很發達還有30年健康認證不要把他們變成是一個被撫養的人而是能夠投入社會積極貢獻所以第三認證大學對他們來講非常的重要是嗎?部長同意?\n\n22\n00:08:12,116 --> 00:08:29,348\n我剛才特別提到說對委員我進來聽到委員的一些對整個人的生涯的發展包括大學如何去拓展這個結合終身學習有更多的一些人能夠進入到大學資源那麼豐富我們應該能夠善加應用\n\n23\n00:08:31,570 --> 00:08:52,075\n那個部長這一份是6月3號的時候發給我的文你就是說你就任之後發給我的第一份文就是壯世代第三屆人生教育機制的延逸情形的一個計畫有回報來所以表示很積極剛上任就有積極的回應那我們看這回應當中\n\n24\n00:08:53,375 --> 00:09:08,750\n有提出了短期有做第三人生大學的一個核心課程的研磨的計畫中期就是要開始有一個試辦計畫長期要把第三人生大學跟學位來銜接當時過來的這一份計畫書是這樣寫\n\n25\n00:09:13,891 --> 00:09:40,033\n那所以在座給各位大學校長了解教育部現在是要推動這個東西嗎?是嗎?是我們可以跟各大學而且經過後來的公聽會教育部也有參與也經對於方法在研究從學士學位的學程專班或者是多元專長的學位學程專班看起來內容都已經有對事辦計畫有具體的進度了\n\n26\n00:09:46,776 --> 00:09:56,958\n事實上有很多學校包括華藩大學、包括公共大學都已經響應想要來做第三人生大學而且正式在招生執行所以這個事辦計畫\n\n27\n00:10:03,652 --> 00:10:20,864\n目前進行狀況怎麼樣?可不可以請部長也跟大家講一下?是不是呈這個施掌?包委員,大概這個事辦計畫我們現在已經研擬了相對的距離接下來就會跟學校來做溝通預計年底就會來完成這個事辦計畫明年會來對外說明,謝謝\n\n28\n00:10:25,500 --> 00:10:37,409\n明年1月份可以推動事辦,但是外面都不太了解,是不是教育部可以多多倡導一下?\n\n29\n00:10:42,409 --> 00:10:55,914\n那接下來就是說這個事辦之後是不是開放全國大專業校來廣泛的建立第三人生大學目前看原來的長程計畫有這一個\n\n30\n00:11:00,296 --> 00:11:18,384\n長期規劃我們事實上確實是這樣想法我一直認為我們大學能不能永續發展能不能發展出特色有許多的學校你真的不要再設想你的大一新生是18歲你不要再去搶18歲然後我們大學在30歲以後事實上我們\n\n31\n00:11:19,164 --> 00:11:27,329\n台灣現在目前的教育的一個現況人才培育的一個現況大部分都是大學畢業或者研究所畢業他們投入職場\n\n32\n00:11:28,949 --> 00:11:56,722\n當他重新回到大學他可能因為產業人這個能力上的需求可能因為生涯發展上的改變可能因為修器上的一些需要以大學現在的提供的這個課程跟施施的能量他事實上是可以更海納百川讓30歲以後的人不管他進來臨床整護或者進來休學我想許多的那個可能正是我們教育部目前內部在規劃的\n\n33\n00:11:58,262 --> 00:12:24,070\n這個就是我最後這個等於部長在我們各大學五菱盟主不是五菱盟主教壇盟主跟各大學校長做的承諾也就是說我們要來推動而且從明年第一季開始試辦而且接下來要鼓勵全國的大專院校來推動第三人生大學那大學會變得更精彩\n\n34\n00:12:24,690 --> 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證不要把他們變成是一個被撫養的人而是能夠投入社會積極貢獻所以第三認證大學對他們來講非常的重要是嗎?部長同意?\n我剛才特別提到說對委員我進來聽到委員的一些對整個人的生涯的發展包括大學如何去拓展這個結合終身學習有更多的一些人能夠進入到大學資源那麼豐富我們應該能夠善加應用\n那個部長這一份是6月3號的時候發給我的文你就是說你就任之後發給我的第一份文就是壯世代第三屆人生教育機制的延逸情形的一個計畫有回報來所以表示很積極剛上任就有積極的回應那我們看這回應當中\n有提出了短期有做第三人生大學的一個核心課程的研磨的計畫中期就是要開始有一個試辦計畫長期要把第三人生大學跟學位來銜接當時過來的這一份計畫書是這樣寫\n那所以在座給各位大學校長了解教育部現在是要推動這個東西嗎?是嗎?是我們可以跟各大學而且經過後來的公聽會教育部也有參與也經對於方法在研究從學士學位的學程專班或者是多元專長的學位學程專班看起來內容都已經有對事辦計畫有具體的進度了\n事實上有很多學校包括華藩大學、包括公共大學都已經響應想要來做第三人生大學而且正式在招生執行所以這個事辦計畫\n目前進行狀況怎麼樣?可不可以請部長也跟大家講一下?是不是呈這個施掌?包委員,大概這個事辦計畫我們現在已經研擬了相對的距離接下來就會跟學校來做溝通預計年底就會來完成這個事辦計畫明年會來對外說明,謝謝\n明年1月份可以推動事辦,但是外面都不太了解,是不是教育部可以多多倡導一下?\n那接下來就是說這個事辦之後是不是開放全國大專業校來廣泛的建立第三人生大學目前看原來的長程計畫有這一個\n長期規劃我們事實上確實是這樣想法我一直認為我們大學能不能永續發展能不能發展出特色有許多的學校你真的不要再設想你的大一新生是18歲你不要再去搶18歲然後我們大學在30歲以後事實上我們\n台灣現在目前的教育的一個現況人才培育的一個現況大部分都是大學畢業或者研究所畢業他們投入職場\n當他重新回到大學他可能因為產業人這個能力上的需求可能因為生涯發展上的改變可能因為修器上的一些需要以大學現在的提供的這個課程跟施施的能量他事實上是可以更海納百川讓30歲以後的人不管他進來臨床整護或者進來休學我想許多的那個可能正是我們教育部目前內部在規劃的\n這個就是我最後這個等於部長在我們各大學五菱盟主不是五菱盟主教壇盟主跟各大學校長做的承諾也就是說我們要來推動而且從明年第一季開始試辦而且接下來要鼓勵全國的大專院校來推動第三人生大學那大學會變得更精彩\n部長、次長等請回\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.612 --> 00:33.889\n有請鄭部長還有張亮次長有請鄭部長跟張亮次長委員好部長好張亮次長好今天在座有47位大學校長每一位大學校長都是我非常尊敬的人但是在這裡我要特別彰顯\n\n00:35.529 --> 01:02.129\n部長、教育部長、次長在教壇上面就是教壇盟主,對不對?不敢盟主?怎麼會不敢?今天都是以率領的合作夥伴所以今天我在這裡也另外要彰顯,因為我是教育文委員會的委員我在這裡也要彰顯一點,就是說部長、教育部長在到立法院來是很受尊重的\n\n01:04.505 --> 01:28.458\n而且我們要討論的是有層次的問題行政立法是可以合作無間是一個進步的國家團隊所以以下我想要跟大家討論的也跟在座的大學校長有關的也就是少子女化的大學困境有何解方\n\n01:31.553 --> 01:49.624\n上一次10月16號我提出的這個質詢後來被修理得很慘我提出這個表來說學生越來越少那預算越來越多我們從93年教育預算是1367億到113年是3390億增加了2000億但是我們的學生人數呢從93年的505萬\n\n02:00.791 --> 02:27.367\n到113年的404萬減少了100萬人那為什麼預算越來越多那個講的就是說大家就說這個委員太俗氣了教育是崇高的事業怎麼可以從這種算錢的問題來這一個所以呢應該沒有這樣的一個意思沒有這樣的意思那是不是請部長解釋這是什麼狀況\n\n02:30.336 --> 02:53.099\n我想當然這個少子化學生人數確實是減少那物價指數當然有一些這個也有部分的增加但是就陳儒委員今天關心的大學怎麼樣永續發展從終身學習的一個概念讓大學有一個更更好的一些這個發展我想\n\n02:54.000 --> 03:18.054\n這也是政府基本上的一個態度我們希望他能夠在教育品質隨著這個經費在我們的這個整個總體的一個這個經濟裡邊我們能夠有更多的一些資源來挹注這個大學今天新聞當中很被重視的就是川普宣布要成立政府效率部\n\n03:18.934 --> 03:46.673\n然後指派由馬斯克還有拉瑪斯瓦米兩位企業家來率領領導政府的效率部他們認為政府要解構官僚體系消除凡文怒節、尊潔浪費支出、重整聯邦機構這一個部長覺得我們中華民國政府是不是也需要來一個效率部\n\n03:49.183 --> 03:52.905\n政府的效率這是每一個國家都會追求的。\n\n04:03.532 --> 04:19.405\n這絕對是大大的支持在國會當中對於教育很多但是我們這個的效率是不是能夠更加的精實、更加的精進包括很多大學看起來財務還是虧損狀態還是國立的所以這一個還是要有企業家精神\n\n04:28.173 --> 04:29.517\n還是我們教育應該有經濟的地方還是很多啦\n\n04:35.506 --> 05:00.146\n然後這裡來講就是說這一直我在立法院提倡的叫壯士代這個是國發會的資料我們1970年代的時候人口是長金字塔的樣子年齡中位數是19歲也就是說一半的人在19歲以下到2040年我們的年齡中位數是52歲\n\n05:02.789 --> 05:18.581\n從19歲到變成52歲這是一個社會結構最基本的東西各位跟教育絕對有非常密切的關係不曉得大家有沒有注意到整個教育體系所以現在因為\n\n05:19.662 --> 05:35.319\n大家都還是停留在1970年代的思維金字塔認為年輕的孩子很多所以才會造成現在大學的困境從這個表當中國畫會的推估今年我們的大學人口還有87萬到2040年會剩下67萬\n\n05:39.642 --> 05:54.869\n如果到了2070年如果低推過來獎會剩下31萬幾乎剩下三分之一那我不曉得所謂的學校的一個計畫有沒有把這個變數納進來整個教育的一個\n\n06:00.992 --> 06:27.510\n部長你剛來的時候所以我也給你加油我們鄭部長第一個有提悟到這個問題因為針對少子化所以大學要敞開大門大學不是只有18歲來唸的我們應該是全年齡都可以來唸的部長一開始我記得對委員提出第三人生大學這個壯士代也非常的佩服包括那個林青霞\n\n06:29.471 --> 06:40.500\n說他在電影裡面經常演大學生,但是他最大遺憾就是沒進大學現在我們60歲,平均60歲退休,60歲已經將近600萬人\n\n06:43.127 --> 07:01.664\n這些人大概只有10%人經過大學因為以前大學門檻很高很難進去所以這些人叫圓夢嘛他們想進大學那這是不是一個很好這些人掌握壯世代55歲以上掌握臺灣三分之二的財富\n\n07:02.705 --> 07:30.114\n然後呢他們很想進大學這是我對委員配伍的地方因為他確實是一個很好的想法如果企業家來講早就想到這個也會有我們終身學習的一個政策另外這個是解決少子化的問題我們未來因為高齡化這叫扶養比高齡化被扶養的當分子然後工作人口當分母\n\n07:31.014 --> 07:55.456\n因為高齡化所以分子越來越大因為少子化分母越來越小目前是3.6比1啦3.6個人撫養一個到2041年變2比1到2057年變1比1年輕人就被壓垮了啦那怎麼解決撞世代的方法就是把分子撞起來拉下來當分母嘛分母就很強壯那怎麼撞起來就是要進大學啊\n\n07:56.718 --> 08:11.836\n他們到60歲現在醫學很發達還有30年健康認證不要把他們變成是一個被撫養的人而是能夠投入社會積極貢獻所以第三認證大學對他們來講非常的重要是嗎?部長同意?\n\n08:12.116 --> 08:29.348\n我剛才特別提到說對委員我進來聽到委員的一些對整個人的生涯的發展包括大學如何去拓展這個結合終身學習有更多的一些人能夠進入到大學資源那麼豐富我們應該能夠善加應用\n\n08:31.570 --> 08:52.075\n那個部長這一份是6月3號的時候發給我的文你就是說你就任之後發給我的第一份文就是壯世代第三屆人生教育機制的延逸情形的一個計畫有回報來所以表示很積極剛上任就有積極的回應那我們看這回應當中\n\n08:53.375 --> 09:08.750\n有提出了短期有做第三人生大學的一個核心課程的研磨的計畫中期就是要開始有一個試辦計畫長期要把第三人生大學跟學位來銜接當時過來的這一份計畫書是這樣寫\n\n09:13.891 --> 09:40.033\n那所以在座給各位大學校長了解教育部現在是要推動這個東西嗎?是嗎?是我們可以跟各大學而且經過後來的公聽會教育部也有參與也經對於方法在研究從學士學位的學程專班或者是多元專長的學位學程專班看起來內容都已經有對事辦計畫有具體的進度了\n\n09:46.776 --> 09:56.958\n事實上有很多學校包括華藩大學、包括公共大學都已經響應想要來做第三人生大學而且正式在招生執行所以這個事辦計畫\n\n10:03.652 --> 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覺得我們中華民國政府是不是也需要一個效率部？"],["鄭部長英耀：我想政府效率是每個國家都會追求的。"],["吳委員春城：剛剛我要講的就是怎麼發揮，我們在國會當然絕對是給予教育大大的支持，但是在效率上是不是能夠更加精實、更加精進？很多大學的財務看起來還是虧損狀態、還是國立的，因此，這個還是要有企業家精神，對不對？"],["鄭部長英耀：是，我完全同意。"],["吳委員春城：我們教育應該精進的地方還是很多啦！"],["鄭部長英耀：是。"],["吳委員春城：我在立法院一直提倡所謂的壯世代，根據國發會的資料，1970年代我們的人口數長得就像金字塔的樣子，年齡的中位數是19歲，也就是有一半的人在19歲以下，到了2040年我們的年齡中位數是52歲，從19歲變成52歲。這是一個社會結構最基本的東西，各位，與教育絕對有非常密切的關係，不知道大家有沒有注意到？因為大家現在還是停留在1970年代的思維，認為年輕人、孩子很多，也因此才會造成大學的困境。從這個表可以看到國發會的推估，今年我們的大學人口還有87萬人，到了2040年將會剩下67萬人，如果以低推估來講，到了2070年將剩下31萬人，幾乎剩下三分之一，我不知道學校的計畫有沒有將這個變數納進來。部長，在你剛上任之時，我也是為你加油。"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝。"],["吳委員春城：鄭部長第一個就體悟到這個少子化的問題，因此大學要敞開大門，大學不是只有18歲來唸的，應該是全年齡都可以來學習的地方。"],["鄭部長英耀：是，我對委員提出的壯世代第三人生大學也非常佩服。"],["吳委員春城：包括林青霞說自己經常在電影中飾演大學生，但她最大的遺憾就是沒有進大學，現在平均是60歲退休，而且60歲已經有將近600萬人，在這些人當中大概只有10%的人進過大學，因為以前大學的門檻很高、很難進去，所以這些人想要圓夢、想要進大學，況且這些55歲以上的壯世代掌握了臺灣三分之二的財富，既然他們也很想進大學，多好的生意啊！"],["鄭部長英耀：這也是我對委員佩服的地方，它確實是一個很好的想法。"],["吳委員春城：對啊！各大學有沒有想到這個啊？如果是企業家，早就想到這個了。"],["鄭部長英耀：也呼應我們終身學習的政策。"],["吳委員春城：對，這個也是解決少子化的問題。我們就扶養比而言，被扶養的人當分子、工作人口當分母，因為高齡化，分子越來越大；因為少子化，分母越來越小。目前是3.6：1，每3.6個人扶養1個人，到了2040年變成2：1、到了2057年變成1：1，年輕人就被壓垮了啦！怎麼解決？方法就是把分子壯起來、拉下來當分母，這樣分母就會很強壯。怎麼壯起來？就是要進大學啊！現在的醫學很發達，60歲的人還有30年的健康人生，不要把他們變成被扶養的人，而是要讓他們能夠投入社會積極貢獻，所以第三人生大學對他們而言非常的重要，是吧？部長，同意嗎？"],["鄭部長英耀：是，剛才我也特別提到，上任後對於委員針對人的生涯發展提出的一些看法感到佩服，包括大學如何拓展並結合終身學習，讓更多的人能夠進入大學，資源那麼豐富，我們應該能夠善加運用。"],["吳委員春城：部長，這份是6月3日發給我的文，也是在你就任之後發給我的第一份文，針對「壯世代第三人生教育機制研議情形」計畫的回報，表示你剛上任就很積極的回應。我們看到在這個回應中提出，短期是進行第三人生大學核心課程模組研發計畫、中期是開始試辦計畫、長期是將第三人生大學與學位銜接，當時你們送來的計畫書是這樣寫的。"],["鄭部長英耀：是。"],["吳委員春城：也讓在座的大學校長了解教育部現在是要推動這個東西，是嗎？"],["鄭部長英耀：是。"],["吳委員春城：而且教育部也有參與後來舉辦的公聽會，無論是學士學位的學程專班、或是多元專長的學位學程專班，從內容看起來都已經對試辦計畫有具體的進度了。"],["鄭部長英耀：是。"],["吳委員春城：事實上，有很多的學校，包括華梵大學、包括空中大學都已經響應、都想要辦理第三人生大學，並且已經正式招生執行了。關於這個試辦計畫，目前進行的狀況是怎麼樣，可不可以請部長向大家說明一下？"],["鄭部長英耀：是不是請司長來說明？"],["梁司長學政：報告委員，我們已經研擬了相關的試辦計畫，接下來就是與學校進行溝通，預計年底就會完成試辦計畫，明年將會對外說明，謝謝。"],["吳委員春城：我聽說明年1月就可以開始推動試辦，但是外界似乎都不太了解，教育部是不是可以多多倡導一下？"],["鄭部長英耀：是，我們來倡導。"],["吳委員春城：在試辦之後，是不是就開放全國大專院校廣泛設立第三人生大學？目前看起來，原本的長程計畫中有這個項目，部長，是不是有……"],["鄭部長英耀：報告委員，事實上，我們的長期規劃確實是有這樣的想法。我一直認為我們的大學能不能永續發展、能不能發展出特色，許多學校真的不要再設想大一新生是18歲、不要再去搶18歲的部分。事實上，以目前臺灣教育的現況、人才培育的現況，大部分都是大學畢業或研究所畢業就投入職場。不過他可能因為產業能力上的需求、可能因為生涯發展上的改變、可能因為休憩上的需要，決定重新回到大學。以現在大學提供的課程及師資的能量，事實上是可以更海納百川，讓30歲以上的人，無論是進來零存整付或是進來修學位，我想許多的可能正是我們教育部目前內部正在規劃的。"],["吳委員春城：好，謝謝。部長是我們各大學的武林盟主，不是，應該是教壇盟主，與各位大學校長所做的承諾。"],["鄭部長英耀：我們是合作夥伴。"],["吳委員春城：也就是說，我們要來推動，從明年第一季開始試辦，接下來要鼓勵全國大專院校推動第三人生大學，如此一來，大學會變得更精采、會變得更充實，善用高齡者的智力，開發他們的產能，謝謝部長。"],["鄭部長英耀：謝謝委員。"],["主席：部長及次長等，請回。謝謝吳春城委員的質詢。","再來請羅智強委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":422,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-8","speakers":["范雲","洪孟楷","葛如鈞","萬美玲","陳培瑜","林倩綺","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","林宜瑾","張雅琳","吳沛憶","黃健豪","吳思瑤","林德福","王育敏","陳昭姿","涂權吉","楊瓊瓔","吳春城","羅智強","林月琴","羅廷瑋","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","葉元之","陳俊宇","翁曉玲","柯志恩","邱志偉","何欣純"],"page_start":339,"meetingDate":["2024-11-14"],"gazette_id":"1139901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139901_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部及所屬單位預算案；二、審查114年度教育部主管\n47 所國立大學校院校務基金、國立臺灣大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基\n金、國立陽明交通大學附設醫院作業基金、教育部所屬機構作業基金、國立高級中等學校校務基\n金、學產基金、運動發展基金、私立高級中等以上學校退場基金；三、審查114年度行政法人國\n家運動訓練中心預算案；四、審查114年度行政法人國家運動科學中心預算案（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"1139901_00006"}}}