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00:01:28,261\n後來教育部很用心在我們多方的質詢跟要求關心之下在109年有增加了專任人力一名那個時候是45萬到了112年更好了每增加200名人民學生再增加一個專任人力這時候是一名50萬\n\n5\n00:01:30,158 --> 00:01:57,203\n現在又又更好了因為明年每增加100名的原民學生會再可以增加一名專任人力而且提高到65萬那為什麼我要這樣子問其實這幾年我們常常可以接到很多關於大學原資中心的陳情有一點點違背他原來的設立目的因為是為了要促進\n\n6\n00:01:58,343 --> 00:02:02,647\n委員會主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管\n\n7\n00:02:13,396 --> 00:02:36,166\n一百九十五名的專任人力有百分之六十五他的薪資拿到的是在三萬六以下我們來細看因為我想要所資但是教育部告訴我沒有做這方面的資料所以助理自己一間一間去問以中區的九間學校調查我們可以看到\n\n8\n00:02:37,102 --> 00:02:57,765\n有一個領31K的他還要負責原專班的所有事務有一個領29K的他還要做僑生的相關業務以及課外組的交辦事項有一個是碩士他領35K他還要去做園民會的計畫的一些申請\n\n9\n00:02:58,846 --> 00:03:14,288\n好,這樣子來看,我們可以看我們的專任人力他們有一些困境。第一個,他們覺得薪資沒有達到補助的經費。為什麼?因為教育部沒有要求薪資下限。\n\n10\n00:03:15,129 --> 00:03:40,521\n另外他們的業務很繁雜即便申請人力達標我們有問學校為什麼不願意徵聘因為他說我們不確定到底教育部會不會核定給我所以他們也不敢來徵聘來編列而且我們看到他們的人力流動率是很高的根本沒有辦法達到陪伴這樣的一個目的他們也覺得說做的事情很雜總而言之我覺得\n\n11\n00:04:07,609 --> 00:04:16,013\n謝謝委員關心我們原住民學生的一些發展跟受教的前提我們希望一次次的檢討可以邁向更好我們教育部都會積極地按照規定來補助\n\n12\n00:04:23,476 --> 00:04:40,252\n好謝謝部長勇於認識見急履急那麼我第二個部分我也要談的就是失陪的部分我們都在抱怨教育部這個我們的這個看不見的民族教育開缺還有好辛苦的原住民公費生為什麼\n\n13\n00:04:41,673 --> 00:05:01,888\n因為教育部112到114我們有一個叫做原住民族教育去做完備師資培育跟聘用但是部長我跟您說從108推動以來已經出現了第一批的畢業生而且有兩位他是通過了高級認證但是有什麼用沒有缺\n\n14\n00:05:02,688 --> 00:05:27,010\n然後呢這些原住民公費生很難他除了跟一般的學校一樣他要通過教檢他的學科能力要精熟他也要有英語能力的測驗通過他必須要通過足語中高級而且他要加修12學分的民族教育次專長所以部長你有沒有聽過原住民公費生他其實折損率很高啊\n\n15\n00:05:27,731 --> 00:05:30,753\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功\n\n16\n00:06:05,129 --> 00:06:26,271\n如果我們的原住民及師資換算出來應該要有1800位但是我們目前只有900多位還缺800多位那目前呢我們的師培公費生如果全部順利畢業有330位還是大大的短缺更何況是這些國高中他要分科來聘更加的困難\n\n17\n00:06:26,992 --> 00:06:51,371\n所以這些主語專任教師也根本找不到缺還要涉及到縣市開缺所以我想這個部分因為時間的關係我們不能夠讓這些原住民的師資生他有什麼未來可以相信他好難畢業他畢了業找不到缺所以我覺得這個部分我們要好好的來檢討所以部長我是希望說也可以一併的來辦公室我們來討論好不好\n\n18\n00:06:52,832 --> 00:07:08,671\n謝謝委員關心確實當然原住民工會的老師他還是會有一些調動因為這樣區域上會有一些落差但是確實我們也看到了原住民的整個失色培育包含我們在\n\n19\n00:07:09,232 --> 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謝謝部長勇於認識 見急履急那麼我第二個部分我也要談的就是失陪的部分我們都在抱怨教育部這個我們的這個看不見的民族教育開缺還有好辛苦的原住民公費生為什麼\n281673\t301888\t因為教育部112到114我們有一個叫做原住民族教育去做完備師資培育跟聘用但是部長我跟您說從108推動以來已經出現了第一批的畢業生而且有兩位他是通過了高級認證但是有什麼用沒有缺\n302688\t327010\t然後呢這些原住民公費生很難他除了跟一般的學校一樣他要通過教檢他的學科能力要精熟他也要有英語能力的測驗通過他必須要通過足語中高級而且他要加修12學分的民族教育次專長所以部長你有沒有聽過原住民公費生他其實折損率很高啊\n327731\t330753\t二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功\n349087\t365009\t議員議員議員\n365129\t386271\t如果我們的原住民及師資換算出來應該要有1800位但是我們目前只有900多位還缺800多位那目前呢我們的師培公費生如果全部順利畢業有330位還是大大的短缺更何況是這些國高中他要分科來聘更加的困難\n386992\t411371\t所以這些主語專任教師也根本找不到缺還要涉及到縣市開缺所以我想這個部分因為時間的關係我們不能夠讓這些原住民的師資生他有什麼未來可以相信他好難畢業他畢了業找不到缺所以我覺得這個部分我們要好好的來檢討所以部長我是希望說也可以一併的來辦公室我們來討論好不好\n412832\t428671\t謝謝委員關心 確實當然原住民工會的老師他還是會有一些調動因為這樣區域上會有一些落差但是確實我們也看到了原住民的整個失色培育包含我們在\n429232\t454911\t原住民語言是不是只有在校生的一個培育方式還是用線上用許多的方式其他的方式包含那個標準我們是我也已經我們這個責成我們這一個業務單位也排好這一個跟延民會主委能夠有一個面對面的一個請希望對原住民的一個教育在這邊能夠有一個更精進的一些作為\n455311\t465117\t部長您已經有看到所以我希望能夠好好的坐下來談把這些問題改善那最後給我30秒我30秒我請台大校長10秒鐘台大校長請陳文張校長10秒10秒我就講一句話你就一句話然後一句話回答好嗎校長您好您認得照片上這些人嗎\n484354\t488569\t不認得,但是看過照片,謝謝。好,我跟您說這張照片\n489781\t517006\t恰恰是去年的今天滿一週年那我今天終於在質詢台上看到您了但是他們也很想看到您那我想這個部分山水有相逢那他們都很期待跟您後會有期是不是可以一週內到我的辦公室可以啦那事後跟委員口頭或書面說明好嗎我是希望到本席辦公室我們可以準備書面說明跟委員報告 謝謝\n517687\t518067\t請到本席\n","txt":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文\n委員好部長好您辛苦了今天我們現場來了非常多的大學在原教法第25條它有一個規定就是為了要建立原住民學生他的生活的文化支持系統\n護導原住民學生的生活學業,促進校園的友善,所以鼓勵設置原住民族學生資源中心,我們都說那個叫做原資中心。那麼開設以來呢,其實從一開始只有園民會提供的開辦費30萬,\n後來教育部很用心在我們多方的質詢跟要求關心之下在109年有增加了專任人力一名那個時候是45萬到了112年更好了每增加200名人民學生再增加一個專任人力這時候是一名50萬\n現在又又更好了因為明年每增加100名的原民學生會再可以增加一名專任人力而且提高到65萬那為什麼我要這樣子問其實這幾年我們常常可以接到很多關於大學原資中心的陳情有一點點違背他原來的設立目的因為是為了要促進\n委員會主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管\n一百九十五名的專任人力有百分之六十五他的薪資拿到的是在三萬六以下我們來細看因為我想要所資但是教育部告訴我沒有做這方面的資料所以助理自己一間一間去問以中區的九間學校調查我們可以看到\n有一個領31K的他還要負責原專班的所有事務有一個領29K的他還要做僑生的相關業務以及課外組的交辦事項有一個是碩士他領35K他還要去做園民會的計畫的一些申請\n好,這樣子來看,我們可以看我們的專任人力他們有一些困境。第一個,他們覺得薪資沒有達到補助的經費。為什麼?因為教育部沒有要求薪資下限。\n另外他們的業務很繁雜即便申請人力達標我們有問學校為什麼不願意徵聘因為他說我們不確定到底教育部會不會核定給我所以他們也不敢來徵聘來編列而且我們看到他們的人力流動率是很高的根本沒有辦法達到陪伴這樣的一個目的他們也覺得說做的事情很雜總而言之我覺得\n議員議員議員\n謝謝委員關心我們原住民學生的一些發展跟受教的前提我們希望一次次的檢討可以邁向更好我們教育部都會積極地按照規定來補助\n好 謝謝部長勇於認識 見急履急那麼我第二個部分我也要談的就是失陪的部分我們都在抱怨教育部這個我們的這個看不見的民族教育開缺還有好辛苦的原住民公費生為什麼\n因為教育部112到114我們有一個叫做原住民族教育去做完備師資培育跟聘用但是部長我跟您說從108推動以來已經出現了第一批的畢業生而且有兩位他是通過了高級認證但是有什麼用沒有缺\n然後呢這些原住民公費生很難他除了跟一般的學校一樣他要通過教檢他的學科能力要精熟他也要有英語能力的測驗通過他必須要通過足語中高級而且他要加修12學分的民族教育次專長所以部長你有沒有聽過原住民公費生他其實折損率很高啊\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功\n議員議員議員\n如果我們的原住民及師資換算出來應該要有1800位但是我們目前只有900多位還缺800多位那目前呢我們的師培公費生如果全部順利畢業有330位還是大大的短缺更何況是這些國高中他要分科來聘更加的困難\n所以這些主語專任教師也根本找不到缺還要涉及到縣市開缺所以我想這個部分因為時間的關係我們不能夠讓這些原住民的師資生他有什麼未來可以相信他好難畢業他畢了業找不到缺所以我覺得這個部分我們要好好的來檢討所以部長我是希望說也可以一併的來辦公室我們來討論好不好\n謝謝委員關心 確實當然原住民工會的老師他還是會有一些調動因為這樣區域上會有一些落差但是確實我們也看到了原住民的整個失色培育包含我們在\n原住民語言是不是只有在校生的一個培育方式還是用線上用許多的方式其他的方式包含那個標準我們是我也已經我們這個責成我們這一個業務單位也排好這一個跟延民會主委能夠有一個面對面的一個請希望對原住民的一個教育在這邊能夠有一個更精進的一些作為\n部長您已經有看到所以我希望能夠好好的坐下來談把這些問題改善那最後給我30秒我30秒我請台大校長10秒鐘台大校長請陳文張校長10秒10秒我就講一句話你就一句話然後一句話回答好嗎校長您好您認得照片上這些人嗎\n不認得,但是看過照片,謝謝。好,我跟您說這張照片\n恰恰是去年的今天滿一週年那我今天終於在質詢台上看到您了但是他們也很想看到您那我想這個部分山水有相逢那他們都很期待跟您後會有期是不是可以一週內到我的辦公室可以啦那事後跟委員口頭或書面說明好嗎我是希望到本席辦公室我們可以準備書面說明跟委員報告 謝謝\n請到本席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.063 --> 00:15.352\n立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第2會期教育及文化委員會第3會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文化委員會第4會期教育及文\n\n00:27.816 --> 00:45.656\n委員好部長好您辛苦了今天我們現場來了非常多的大學在原教法第25條它有一個規定就是為了要建立原住民學生他的生活的文化支持系統\n\n00:47.118 --> 01:04.879\n護導原住民學生的生活學業,促進校園的友善,所以鼓勵設置原住民族學生資源中心,我們都說那個叫做原資中心。那麼開設以來呢,其實從一開始只有園民會提供的開辦費30萬,\n\n01:06.721 --> 01:28.261\n後來教育部很用心在我們多方的質詢跟要求關心之下在109年有增加了專任人力一名那個時候是45萬到了112年更好了每增加200名人民學生再增加一個專任人力這時候是一名50萬\n\n01:30.158 --> 01:57.203\n現在又又更好了因為明年每增加100名的原民學生會再可以增加一名專任人力而且提高到65萬那為什麼我要這樣子問其實這幾年我們常常可以接到很多關於大學原資中心的陳情有一點點違背他原來的設立目的因為是為了要促進\n\n01:58.343 --> 02:02.647\n委員會主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管124年度教育部主管\n\n02:13.396 --> 02:36.166\n一百九十五名的專任人力有百分之六十五他的薪資拿到的是在三萬六以下我們來細看因為我想要所資但是教育部告訴我沒有做這方面的資料所以助理自己一間一間去問以中區的九間學校調查我們可以看到\n\n02:37.102 --> 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Tahovecahe委員：是，我們希望一次次的檢討可以邁向更好。"],["鄭部長英耀：我想包含待遇這一個部分，我們教育部都會積極的按照規定來補助。"],["伍麗華Saidhai 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Tahovecahe委員：部長您已經有看到了，所以我希望能夠好好的坐下來談，把這些問題改善。最後給我30秒，我請臺大校長。"],["主席：10秒鐘，好不好？"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，10秒鐘，請臺大校長陳文章校長。"],["主席：因為已經超時，你就一句話，然後他一句話回答，好嗎？因為已經超時了。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好。校長您好，您認得照片上這些人嗎？"],["陳校長文章：不認得，但是看過照片，謝謝。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，我跟您說，這張照片恰恰是在去年的今天，所以滿一週年，我今天終於在質詢臺上看到您了，但是他們也很想看到您，我想這個部分山水有相逢，他們都很期待跟您後會有期，是不是可以一週內到我的辦公室？可以嗎？"],["主席：事後請跟伍委員口頭或書面說明，好嗎？"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：我是希望到本席辦公室。"],["主席：到委員辦公室，OK。"],["陳校長文章：我們可以準備書面說明跟委員報告，謝謝。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：請到本席的辦公室。"],["主席：好，時間到了。"],["伍麗華Saidhai Tahovecahe委員：好，謝謝部長，謝謝校長，謝謝主席。"],["主席：部長請回，校長請回，謝謝伍麗華委員的質詢。再來我們請葉元之委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":422,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-8","speakers":["范雲","洪孟楷","葛如鈞","萬美玲","陳培瑜","林倩綺","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","林宜瑾","張雅琳","吳沛憶","黃健豪","吳思瑤","林德福","王育敏","陳昭姿","涂權吉","楊瓊瓔","吳春城","羅智強","林月琴","羅廷瑋","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","葉元之","陳俊宇","翁曉玲","柯志恩","邱志偉","何欣純"],"page_start":339,"meetingDate":["2024-11-14"],"gazette_id":"1139901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139901_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關教育部及所屬單位預算案；二、審查114年度教育部主管\n47 所國立大學校院校務基金、國立臺灣大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基\n金、國立陽明交通大學附設醫院作業基金、教育部所屬機構作業基金、國立高級中等學校校務基\n金、學產基金、運動發展基金、私立高級中等以上學校退場基金；三、審查114年度行政法人國\n家運動訓練中心預算案；四、審查114年度行政法人國家運動科學中心預算案（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"1139901_00006"}}}