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00:02:34,032\n到這個學校到社區導覽十一住行等等的接下來麻煩教育部要提出比較完整的配套因為現在你們新聞的說法是交給第一線的學校決定可是您現在又站在這裡說有完整的這個做法不能一刀切那到底是該怎麼做希望我可以提出完整的說明我們屆時現在我請這一個我們這一個國教署有等於說六年分兩個階段每一個階段有三年然後有一些具體的一些做法\n\n8\n00:02:34,352 --> 00:02:48,237\n相關配套措施什麼時候進行調整部長可不可以給一個明確的期程因為我們現在很多不管是大專院校還是中小學都還有雙語的預算啊是期程什麼時候會提出明確的調整措施配套措施\n\n9\n00:02:49,488 --> 00:03:01,073\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n\n10\n00:03:15,366 --> 00:03:22,188\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n\n11\n00:03:39,648 --> 00:04:06,663\n這個農業部他在11月底他會有一個整個政策上所以是11月底以前是是是會有一個完整的說法是嗎會開會會協調那再麻煩我們會持續追蹤那部長我想今天是教育部114年的預算詢答想先跟您分享我們的高教領頭羊我們臺灣大學即將在2028年邁向百年孝慶我也非常恭喜那我們陳校長也特別提出呼籲在近幾年的榮景之下\n\n12\n00:04:07,463 --> 00:04:27,694\n其實我們也應該要有更多的基礎建設更多的前瞻包含像日本的大學有每年100億日元的補助或者其他世界級的大學也都持續的在往前更加的推動但近來我們面臨人事費的增長甚至電價還有可能調整\n\n13\n00:04:28,334 --> 00:04:46,869\n非常難做一些相關經費的一些因應那非常多的大專院校也都積極呼籲,包含本席是不是可以再為高教請命,站在教育部的立場剛剛我們洪孟凱委員也說了可不可以再向行政院爭取高教前瞻基礎建設的經費,或用其他的方式剛剛他是說兩倍啦\n\n14\n00:04:47,930 --> 00:05:04,138\n那我想還提出了這個烏紗帽的請求我是不是請您再強化一下您的意願跟這個積極態度感謝委員對高等教育人才培育的一個關心其實事實上我跟委員還有我們所有的大學校長的心情是一樣的\n\n15\n00:05:04,838 --> 00:05:23,754\n所以我們在高教生跟今年我們就增加了跟去年比我們增加了20億所以我想這個部分我們怎麼樣持續的對高等教育資源給予更寬裕的一個機會讓他們有一個更大的一個對未來的想像的發展我想還是遠遠不足啦接下來可能還有很多費用要調整嘛\n\n16\n00:05:25,015 --> 00:05:46,634\n所以這個所有的價格都在上漲,所以麻煩您再積極爭取那同時這個非常多的校長,包含我們臺大陳校長也在現場包含本席也都提到,說其實現在的人才培育應該要有一個跨部會的小組從這個人才培育,我們只是舉AI為例好了\n\n17\n00:05:46,974 --> 00:06:15,209\n教育部、國科會、經濟部、國發會、速發部之間其實就有很多橫向的溝通可以做得更好更何況整體的人才培育所以我想請教部長臺灣未來如果要跟其他人競爭我們的人才培育的中長期的規劃甚至未來幾十年甚至百年的大計這是最重要的請教部長能不能向行政院爭取成立一個跨部會的人才培育小組讓大學可以有一個直接和各部會直接溝通的平台\n\n18\n00:06:15,669 --> 00:06:20,433\n最重要的是這個平台應該要讓各大學可以參與部長可不可以承諾\n\n19\n00:06:22,384 --> 00:06:49,777\n謝謝跟委員報告我們目前行政內部事實上在以國發會啟動本來我們在人才培育裡邊在人力的義孤他就有一個跨部會的一個所以現在全臺灣未來的人才是國發會在管不是教育部在管嗎我們當然也參與接下來這個平台到底要是誰我們現在一問了這個跨部會平台大家會在踢教育部踢國發會國發會踢國科會國科會又踢給辦公室到底是誰教育部長您能不能\n\n20\n00:06:50,157 --> 00:07:17,948\n感謝委員的一個提醒委員當然也是一種方式就是說在人才培育我們有更積極的成立一個那不然我們這麼多大學校長在這裡聽您說話幹嘛呢我們請國發會來就好啦人才培育嘛謝謝委員謝謝委員提醒我想我們可以更細膩的針對這個人才來組成這個小組我們來努力教育部可不可以直接啦我想教育部很重要希望可以跟行政院爭取那同時我們談到人才培育\n\n21\n00:07:18,928 --> 00:07:47,358\n其實我們也看到一些亂象其實我非常多次的質詢也都提起現在的這個多元入學很可能被坊間稱作多錢入學學習歷程檔案一個單一PTF只能上傳4M影片只能傳幾秒鐘就算了我們這個持續追蹤但是還是希望可以提高但是現在的問題是什麼有貧富不均的問題我們一再的詢問坊間一再的提醒教育部一再的說沒有但是怎麼樣\n\n22\n00:07:48,138 --> 00:08:10,235\n所有的課程都還在銷售甚至還有雙11特價蝦皮上面的所有的東西還賣出什麼?有的賣出10萬份有的賣出4.7萬份還評價很高五星好評到底有多少學生都用這些所謂的銷售的這種方式付費的方式來做多錢入學\n\n23\n00:08:10,615 --> 00:08:39,153\n那沒有錢的學生是不是不公平老師有沒有辦法去分辨出這些付費的服務這種做法難道是教育部想要的嗎同時啦我想接下來我們還有很多同學的這些資料很可能是用AI產生的AI也可能要付錢AI做出來的東西老師目前也沒有工具可以評斷接下來排山倒海而來的這些資料有的是付錢的有的是AI做的到底我們應該要怎麼做無獨有偶\n\n24\n00:08:39,753 --> 00:09:03,669\n近年來我們還推動了什麼呢?APCS的徵選有越來越多的名額要採用這個徵選的方式雖然報名考試的費用是教育部來支持的但是補習班如雨後春筍出來我想我們剛剛列了一系列的問題其實都在講我們的教育的方針跟政策不能變成多錢入學\n\n25\n00:09:04,269 --> 00:09:13,157\n有錢的人就可以入學部長面對多元入學變成多錢入學教育商品化我們一定要打擊這樣的現象教育部有沒有探討背後的原因\n\n26\n00:09:14,588 --> 00:09:36,984\n感謝委員的指導確實我想教育多元化我們就希望肯定人他就是有個別差異所以才希望他在生涯的發展金錢的個別差異嗎?能力的個別差異嗎?所以能力比較差的就要去補習嗎?不是,所以我們多元的入學管道本來就是因應學生希望他能夠適性能夠一個發展更好的發展\n\n27\n00:09:40,566 --> 00:09:52,174\n所以剛才委員所提的當然不是教育部所樂意看到的那我們也知道民間的業者有時候他當然在招生的一個手法或者從利潤上的一個考量\n\n28\n00:10:11,146 --> 00:10:30,634\n進一步的研議可以提供給本席有專家也提出善用AI工具當然有壞的就是他可能會偽造是自己做的但也有好的提升他的能力那我想請教一下部長您知道114學年度在中小學的階段一共編列多少預算來推動數位平權\n\n29\n00:10:36,906 --> 00:10:45,330\n跟委員報告在這個數位評審的這個部分數位學習的精進方案有27億27億除以200再來\n\n30\n00:10:49,301 --> 00:11:05,649\n其實就是這個答案沒錯啊有將近2億然後還有一個BYOD沒關係我們算過了啦每一個小學每一個中小學生平均起來大概就是3塊錢那一個月呢其實就是幾十塊錢跟這個我們營養午餐比起來相差18倍\n\n31\n00:11:11,332 --> 00:11:37,442\n這些錢可能要存一年才能買一個月的確GPT的費用我想確GPT一個月要20塊美金教育部如果真的有心要推動數位平權AI平權要讓不只是中小學的學生我們的大專院校的電腦教室我們的高等教育的這些同學都應該要有能力來使用這些服務完全看不出來教育部推動這些數位平權的決心這部分教育部長可不可以承諾來檢討一下\n\n32\n00:11:39,605 --> 00:11:52,336\n我想我們確實一直在努力因為以實際性剛才委員事實上在這個CHATGPT這個OpenAI確實在整個學習跟教學上影響是很深遠的我們講的是數位平權的預算好不好再麻煩再討論一下\n\n33\n00:11:56,259 --> 00:12:10,256\n接下來其實還有很大的問題是我們的數位素養啦恭喜啦我們的運算思維全球第一但是我們的資訊素養現在是排名第四但是加起來75%的人都只有基本的能力是什麼呢我用一張圖來表示\n\n34\n00:12:11,778 --> 00:12:34,674\n所有的這些學生所有的這些年輕人在沒有好的資訊素養教育情況之下變得很會吃不會挑這其實不是我們要看到的年輕人在數位世界裡的能力啦在各國包含美國歐洲日本都開始持續加強定義我們的數位素養而且應該要持續的來幫助他們否則就會遇到一些很不好的現象\n\n35\n00:12:35,755 --> 00:12:58,442\n這個是近期發生的一個悲劇有一個14歲的年輕人接下來非常多的人都在用AI結果沉迷AI聊天最後輕生到底我們台灣的學生不管是高等教育的不管是中小學生使用AI的比率使用的方法使用的是付費還免費教育部有沒有進行調查\n\n36\n00:12:59,383 --> 00:13:21,394\n首先謝謝委員我還是要先感謝我們全國的中小學老師讓我們的學生能夠在國際的評比在這個面對問題他的一個邏輯思考分析問題他能夠在世界這個排名第一那另外他的科技的一個素養事實上也明面堅保辨別真假的素養\n\n37\n00:13:22,274 --> 00:13:50,124\n我想這個不管怎麼樣它是一個國際評比然後它對臺灣的一個教育我們八年級的學生我想這個部分還是要真的要肯定我們老師的用心肯定嘛但是剛才委員所提的這個AI確實國外有許多的研究證據包括在今年裡面美國有一本書的我剛剛不好意思部長我打斷您齁因為這個主席先站起來我問的是臺灣臺灣的AI工具使用的比率跟現狀\n\n38\n00:14:00,239 --> 00:14:13,064\n教育部的學習平台上面我們有的AI工具每一天的10月份的話上課平均大概是3.3萬名學生那其他的部分我們沒有做一個全面的調查\n\n39\n00:14:13,684 --> 00:14:31,110\n在這裡具體向教育部提出兩點要求第一請教育部參考國外對數位素養的研究尤其是這些真假資訊的吸收跟辨別的能力參考他們的定義兩個月內來調整我們的數位教學指引中小學數位教學指引跟數位素養有關的定義\n\n40\n00:14:31,670 --> 00:14:59,909\n第二請教育部研議定期針對各個教育階段的學生進行AI工具使用情形的調查研議結果希望一個月內與書面回覆本席以上兩點部長可不可以承諾謝謝委員的關心確實因為AI所以我們在8月開學前就有一個數位指引給家長給小學給老師使用的狀況而且不是只是使用你們提供的工具不要活在平行時空\n\n41\n00:15:01,970 --> 00:15:12,697\n我相信所有的校長都非常關心希望知道這個數據主席也會很想知道好不好麻煩部長我們一定會再來更進一步的報告這個瞭解跟我們報告謝謝獨居委員的質詢部長等請回\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11306\t13408\t謝謝主席,有請教育部政要部長\n22472\t38422\t委員好部長早我想一樣向所有的校長還有先進前輩致意我曾經讀過三間學校也在兩間以上的學校教課也非常高興有這麼多人一起為教育努力部長您的責任很重\n38922\t58199\t那首先我先提兩個今天大家熱議的議題首先我過去多次關注雙語政策一直提到AI時代現在所有的手機AI的服務都可以做到同步翻譯未來還會更好但我們的教育政策卻為了配合過去的前行政院長\n60350\t70145\t投影片好像有點問題這個AI已經很進步了但我們在播放投影片有時候偶爾還是會遇到一些困難時間麻煩幫我暫停一下這是技術上的問題不是我們的問題謝謝\n75314\t103484\t謝謝麻煩繼續待會再補我個幾秒謝謝那我想這個配合這個雙語政策變成教育現場有一些亂象那很多的學科其實會變成反而學不好那現在有消息指出教育部願意迷途知返從善如流重新調整雙語的政策想請教一下部長因為在座大家都很關心嘛接下來到底要怎麼辦想向您確認是不是接下來除了英語課以外其他課程都不用採取英語授課\n105094\t110360\t中小學英語課是的但是跟委員報告就不能這樣簡化來這樣說我們希望國中小他是能夠從日常生活裡邊他能夠開始從最簡單的自我介紹\n124835\t154032\t到這個學校到社區導覽十一住行等等的接下來麻煩教育部要提出比較完整的配套因為現在你們新聞的說法是交給第一線的學校決定可是您現在又站在這裡說有完整的這個做法不能一刀切那到底是該怎麼做希望我可以提出完整的說明我們屆時現在我請這一個我們這一個國教署有等於說六年分兩個階段每一個階段有三年然後有一些具體的一些做法\n154352\t168237\t相關配套措施什麼時候進行調整部長可不可以給一個明確的期程因為我們現在很多不管是大專院校還是中小學都還有雙語的預算啊是期程什麼時候會提出明確的調整措施配套措施\n169488\t181073\t二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n195366\t202188\t二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n219648\t246663\t這個農業部他在11月底他會有一個整個政策上所以是11月底以前是是是會有一個完整的說法是嗎會開會會協調那再麻煩我們會持續追蹤那部長我想今天是教育部114年的預算詢答想先跟您分享我們的高教領頭羊我們臺灣大學即將在2028年邁向百年孝慶我也非常恭喜那我們陳校長也特別提出呼籲在近幾年的榮景之下\n247463\t267694\t其實我們也應該要有更多的基礎建設更多的前瞻包含像日本的大學有每年100億日元的補助或者其他世界級的大學也都持續的在往前更加的推動但近來我們面臨人事費的增長甚至電價還有可能調整\n268334\t286869\t非常難做一些相關經費的一些因應那非常多的大專院校也都積極呼籲,包含本席是不是可以再為高教請命,站在教育部的立場剛剛我們洪孟凱委員也說了可不可以再向行政院爭取高教前瞻基礎建設的經費,或用其他的方式剛剛他是說兩倍啦\n287930\t304138\t那我想還提出了這個烏紗帽的請求我是不是請您再強化一下您的意願跟這個積極態度感謝委員對高等教育人才培育的一個關心其實事實上我跟委員還有我們所有的大學校長的心情是一樣的\n304838\t323754\t所以我們在高教生跟今年我們就增加了跟去年比我們增加了20億所以我想這個部分我們怎麼樣持續的對高等教育資源給予更寬裕的一個機會讓他們有一個更大的一個對未來的想像的發展我想還是遠遠不足啦接下來可能還有很多費用要調整嘛\n325015\t346634\t所以這個所有的價格都在上漲,所以麻煩您再積極爭取那同時這個非常多的校長,包含我們臺大陳校長也在現場包含本席也都提到,說其實現在的人才培育應該要有一個跨部會的小組從這個人才培育,我們只是舉AI為例好了\n346974\t375209\t教育部、國科會、經濟部、國發會、速發部之間其實就有很多橫向的溝通可以做得更好更何況整體的人才培育所以我想請教部長臺灣未來如果要跟其他人競爭我們的人才培育的中長期的規劃甚至未來幾十年甚至百年的大計這是最重要的請教部長能不能向行政院爭取成立一個跨部會的人才培育小組讓大學可以有一個直接和各部會直接溝通的平台\n375669\t380433\t最重要的是這個平台應該要讓各大學可以參與部長可不可以承諾\n382384\t409777\t謝謝跟委員報告我們目前行政內部事實上在以國發會啟動本來我們在人才培育裡邊在人力的義孤他就有一個跨部會的一個所以現在全臺灣未來的人才是國發會在管不是教育部在管嗎我們當然也參與接下來這個平台到底要是誰我們現在一問了這個跨部會平台大家會在踢教育部踢國發會國發會踢國科會國科會又踢給辦公室到底是誰教育部長您能不能\n410157\t437948\t感謝委員的一個提醒委員當然也是一種方式就是說在人才培育我們有更積極的成立一個那不然我們這麼多大學校長在這裡聽您說話幹嘛呢我們請國發會來就好啦人才培育嘛謝謝委員謝謝委員提醒我想我們可以更細膩的針對這個人才來組成這個小組我們來努力教育部可不可以直接啦我想教育部很重要希望可以跟行政院爭取那同時我們談到人才培育\n438928\t467358\t其實我們也看到一些亂象其實我非常多次的質詢也都提起現在的這個多元入學很可能被坊間稱作多錢入學學習歷程檔案一個單一PTF只能上傳4M影片只能傳幾秒鐘就算了我們這個持續追蹤但是還是希望可以提高但是現在的問題是什麼有貧富不均的問題我們一再的詢問坊間一再的提醒教育部一再的說沒有但是怎麼樣\n468138\t490235\t所有的課程都還在銷售甚至還有雙11特價蝦皮上面的所有的東西還賣出什麼?有的賣出10萬份有的賣出4.7萬份還評價很高五星好評到底有多少學生都用這些所謂的銷售的這種方式付費的方式來做多錢入學\n490615\t519153\t那沒有錢的學生是不是不公平老師有沒有辦法去分辨出這些付費的服務這種做法難道是教育部想要的嗎同時啦我想接下來我們還有很多同學的這些資料很可能是用AI產生的AI也可能要付錢AI做出來的東西老師目前也沒有工具可以評斷接下來排山倒海而來的這些資料有的是付錢的有的是AI做的到底我們應該要怎麼做無獨有偶\n519753\t543669\t近年來我們還推動了什麼呢?APCS的徵選有越來越多的名額要採用這個徵選的方式雖然報名考試的費用是教育部來支持的但是補習班如雨後春筍出來我想我們剛剛列了一系列的問題其實都在講我們的教育的方針跟政策不能變成多錢入學\n544269\t553157\t有錢的人就可以入學部長面對多元入學變成多錢入學教育商品化我們一定要打擊這樣的現象教育部有沒有探討背後的原因\n554588\t576984\t感謝委員的指導確實我想教育多元化我們就希望肯定人他就是有個別差異所以才希望他在生涯的發展金錢的個別差異嗎?能力的個別差異嗎?所以能力比較差的就要去補習嗎?不是,所以我們多元的入學管道本來就是因應學生希望他能夠適性能夠一個發展更好的發展\n580566\t592174\t所以剛才委員所提的當然不是教育部所樂意看到的那我們也知道民間的業者有時候他當然在招生的一個手法或者從利潤上的一個考量\n611146\t630634\t進一步的研議可以提供給本席有專家也提出善用AI工具當然有壞的就是他可能會偽造是自己做的但也有好的提升他的能力那我想請教一下部長您知道114學年度在中小學的階段一共編列多少預算來推動數位平權\n636906\t645330\t跟委員報告在這個數位評審的這個部分數位學習的精進方案有27億27億除以200再來\n649301\t665649\t其實就是這個答案沒錯啊有將近2億然後還有一個BYOD沒關係我們算過了啦每一個小學每一個中小學生平均起來大概就是3塊錢那一個月呢其實就是幾十塊錢跟這個我們營養午餐比起來相差18倍\n671332\t697442\t這些錢可能要存一年才能買一個月的確GPT的費用我想確GPT一個月要20塊美金教育部如果真的有心要推動數位平權AI平權要讓不只是中小學的學生我們的大專院校的電腦教室我們的高等教育的這些同學都應該要有能力來使用這些服務完全看不出來教育部推動這些數位平權的決心這部分教育部長可不可以承諾來檢討一下\n699605\t712336\t我想我們確實一直在努力因為以實際性剛才委員事實上在這個CHAT GPT這個OpenAI確實在整個學習跟教學上影響是很深遠的我們講的是數位平權的預算好不好再麻煩再討論一下\n716259\t730256\t接下來其實還有很大的問題是我們的數位素養啦恭喜啦我們的運算思維全球第一但是我們的資訊素養現在是排名第四但是加起來75%的人都只有基本的能力是什麼呢我用一張圖來表示\n731778\t754674\t所有的這些學生所有的這些年輕人在沒有好的資訊素養教育情況之下變得很會吃不會挑這其實不是我們要看到的年輕人在數位世界裡的能力啦在各國包含美國歐洲日本都開始持續加強定義我們的數位素養而且應該要持續的來幫助他們否則就會遇到一些很不好的現象\n755755\t778442\t這個是近期發生的一個悲劇有一個14歲的年輕人接下來非常多的人都在用AI結果沉迷AI聊天最後輕生到底我們台灣的學生不管是高等教育的不管是中小學生使用AI的比率使用的方法使用的是付費還免費教育部有沒有進行調查\n779383\t801394\t首先謝謝委員我還是要先感謝我們全國的中小學老師讓我們的學生能夠在國際的評比在這個面對問題他的一個邏輯思考分析問題他能夠在世界這個排名第一那另外他的科技的一個素養事實上也明面堅保辨別真假的素養\n802274\t830124\t我想這個不管怎麼樣它是一個國際評比然後它對臺灣的一個教育我們八年級的學生我想這個部分還是要真的要肯定我們老師的用心肯定嘛但是剛才委員所提的這個AI確實國外有許多的研究證據包括在今年裡面美國有一本書的我剛剛不好意思部長我打斷您齁因為這個主席先站起來我問的是臺灣臺灣的AI工具使用的比率跟現狀\n840239\t853064\t教育部的學習平台上面我們有的AI工具每一天的10月份的話上課平均大概是3.3萬名學生那其他的部分我們沒有做一個全面的調查\n853684\t871110\t在這裡具體向教育部提出兩點要求第一請教育部參考國外對數位素養的研究尤其是這些真假資訊的吸收跟辨別的能力參考他們的定義兩個月內來調整我們的數位教學指引中小學數位教學指引跟數位素養有關的定義\n871670\t899909\t第二請教育部研議定期針對各個教育階段的學生進行AI工具使用情形的調查研議結果希望一個月內與書面回覆本席以上兩點部長可不可以承諾謝謝委員的關心確實因為AI所以我們在8月開學前就有一個數位指引給家長給小學給老師使用的狀況而且不是只是使用你們提供的工具不要活在平行時空\n901970\t912697\t我相信所有的校長都非常關心希望知道這個數據主席也會很想知道好不好麻煩部長我們一定會再來更進一步的報告這個瞭解跟我們報告謝謝獨居委員的質詢部長等請回\n","txt":"謝謝主席,有請教育部政要部長\n委員好部長早我想一樣向所有的校長還有先進前輩致意我曾經讀過三間學校也在兩間以上的學校教課也非常高興有這麼多人一起為教育努力部長您的責任很重\n那首先我先提兩個今天大家熱議的議題首先我過去多次關注雙語政策一直提到AI時代現在所有的手機AI的服務都可以做到同步翻譯未來還會更好但我們的教育政策卻為了配合過去的前行政院長\n投影片好像有點問題這個AI已經很進步了但我們在播放投影片有時候偶爾還是會遇到一些困難時間麻煩幫我暫停一下這是技術上的問題不是我們的問題謝謝\n謝謝麻煩繼續待會再補我個幾秒謝謝那我想這個配合這個雙語政策變成教育現場有一些亂象那很多的學科其實會變成反而學不好那現在有消息指出教育部願意迷途知返從善如流重新調整雙語的政策想請教一下部長因為在座大家都很關心嘛接下來到底要怎麼辦想向您確認是不是接下來除了英語課以外其他課程都不用採取英語授課\n中小學英語課是的但是跟委員報告就不能這樣簡化來這樣說我們希望國中小他是能夠從日常生活裡邊他能夠開始從最簡單的自我介紹\n到這個學校到社區導覽十一住行等等的接下來麻煩教育部要提出比較完整的配套因為現在你們新聞的說法是交給第一線的學校決定可是您現在又站在這裡說有完整的這個做法不能一刀切那到底是該怎麼做希望我可以提出完整的說明我們屆時現在我請這一個我們這一個國教署有等於說六年分兩個階段每一個階段有三年然後有一些具體的一些做法\n相關配套措施什麼時候進行調整部長可不可以給一個明確的期程因為我們現在很多不管是大專院校還是中小學都還有雙語的預算啊是期程什麼時候會提出明確的調整措施配套措施\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n這個農業部他在11月底他會有一個整個政策上所以是11月底以前是是是會有一個完整的說法是嗎會開會會協調那再麻煩我們會持續追蹤那部長我想今天是教育部114年的預算詢答想先跟您分享我們的高教領頭羊我們臺灣大學即將在2028年邁向百年孝慶我也非常恭喜那我們陳校長也特別提出呼籲在近幾年的榮景之下\n其實我們也應該要有更多的基礎建設更多的前瞻包含像日本的大學有每年100億日元的補助或者其他世界級的大學也都持續的在往前更加的推動但近來我們面臨人事費的增長甚至電價還有可能調整\n非常難做一些相關經費的一些因應那非常多的大專院校也都積極呼籲,包含本席是不是可以再為高教請命,站在教育部的立場剛剛我們洪孟凱委員也說了可不可以再向行政院爭取高教前瞻基礎建設的經費,或用其他的方式剛剛他是說兩倍啦\n那我想還提出了這個烏紗帽的請求我是不是請您再強化一下您的意願跟這個積極態度感謝委員對高等教育人才培育的一個關心其實事實上我跟委員還有我們所有的大學校長的心情是一樣的\n所以我們在高教生跟今年我們就增加了跟去年比我們增加了20億所以我想這個部分我們怎麼樣持續的對高等教育資源給予更寬裕的一個機會讓他們有一個更大的一個對未來的想像的發展我想還是遠遠不足啦接下來可能還有很多費用要調整嘛\n所以這個所有的價格都在上漲,所以麻煩您再積極爭取那同時這個非常多的校長,包含我們臺大陳校長也在現場包含本席也都提到,說其實現在的人才培育應該要有一個跨部會的小組從這個人才培育,我們只是舉AI為例好了\n教育部、國科會、經濟部、國發會、速發部之間其實就有很多橫向的溝通可以做得更好更何況整體的人才培育所以我想請教部長臺灣未來如果要跟其他人競爭我們的人才培育的中長期的規劃甚至未來幾十年甚至百年的大計這是最重要的請教部長能不能向行政院爭取成立一個跨部會的人才培育小組讓大學可以有一個直接和各部會直接溝通的平台\n最重要的是這個平台應該要讓各大學可以參與部長可不可以承諾\n謝謝跟委員報告我們目前行政內部事實上在以國發會啟動本來我們在人才培育裡邊在人力的義孤他就有一個跨部會的一個所以現在全臺灣未來的人才是國發會在管不是教育部在管嗎我們當然也參與接下來這個平台到底要是誰我們現在一問了這個跨部會平台大家會在踢教育部踢國發會國發會踢國科會國科會又踢給辦公室到底是誰教育部長您能不能\n感謝委員的一個提醒委員當然也是一種方式就是說在人才培育我們有更積極的成立一個那不然我們這麼多大學校長在這裡聽您說話幹嘛呢我們請國發會來就好啦人才培育嘛謝謝委員謝謝委員提醒我想我們可以更細膩的針對這個人才來組成這個小組我們來努力教育部可不可以直接啦我想教育部很重要希望可以跟行政院爭取那同時我們談到人才培育\n其實我們也看到一些亂象其實我非常多次的質詢也都提起現在的這個多元入學很可能被坊間稱作多錢入學學習歷程檔案一個單一PTF只能上傳4M影片只能傳幾秒鐘就算了我們這個持續追蹤但是還是希望可以提高但是現在的問題是什麼有貧富不均的問題我們一再的詢問坊間一再的提醒教育部一再的說沒有但是怎麼樣\n所有的課程都還在銷售甚至還有雙11特價蝦皮上面的所有的東西還賣出什麼?有的賣出10萬份有的賣出4.7萬份還評價很高五星好評到底有多少學生都用這些所謂的銷售的這種方式付費的方式來做多錢入學\n那沒有錢的學生是不是不公平老師有沒有辦法去分辨出這些付費的服務這種做法難道是教育部想要的嗎同時啦我想接下來我們還有很多同學的這些資料很可能是用AI產生的AI也可能要付錢AI做出來的東西老師目前也沒有工具可以評斷接下來排山倒海而來的這些資料有的是付錢的有的是AI做的到底我們應該要怎麼做無獨有偶\n近年來我們還推動了什麼呢?APCS的徵選有越來越多的名額要採用這個徵選的方式雖然報名考試的費用是教育部來支持的但是補習班如雨後春筍出來我想我們剛剛列了一系列的問題其實都在講我們的教育的方針跟政策不能變成多錢入學\n有錢的人就可以入學部長面對多元入學變成多錢入學教育商品化我們一定要打擊這樣的現象教育部有沒有探討背後的原因\n感謝委員的指導確實我想教育多元化我們就希望肯定人他就是有個別差異所以才希望他在生涯的發展金錢的個別差異嗎?能力的個別差異嗎?所以能力比較差的就要去補習嗎?不是,所以我們多元的入學管道本來就是因應學生希望他能夠適性能夠一個發展更好的發展\n所以剛才委員所提的當然不是教育部所樂意看到的那我們也知道民間的業者有時候他當然在招生的一個手法或者從利潤上的一個考量\n進一步的研議可以提供給本席有專家也提出善用AI工具當然有壞的就是他可能會偽造是自己做的但也有好的提升他的能力那我想請教一下部長您知道114學年度在中小學的階段一共編列多少預算來推動數位平權\n跟委員報告在這個數位評審的這個部分數位學習的精進方案有27億27億除以200再來\n其實就是這個答案沒錯啊有將近2億然後還有一個BYOD沒關係我們算過了啦每一個小學每一個中小學生平均起來大概就是3塊錢那一個月呢其實就是幾十塊錢跟這個我們營養午餐比起來相差18倍\n這些錢可能要存一年才能買一個月的確GPT的費用我想確GPT一個月要20塊美金教育部如果真的有心要推動數位平權AI平權要讓不只是中小學的學生我們的大專院校的電腦教室我們的高等教育的這些同學都應該要有能力來使用這些服務完全看不出來教育部推動這些數位平權的決心這部分教育部長可不可以承諾來檢討一下\n我想我們確實一直在努力因為以實際性剛才委員事實上在這個CHAT GPT這個OpenAI確實在整個學習跟教學上影響是很深遠的我們講的是數位平權的預算好不好再麻煩再討論一下\n接下來其實還有很大的問題是我們的數位素養啦恭喜啦我們的運算思維全球第一但是我們的資訊素養現在是排名第四但是加起來75%的人都只有基本的能力是什麼呢我用一張圖來表示\n所有的這些學生所有的這些年輕人在沒有好的資訊素養教育情況之下變得很會吃不會挑這其實不是我們要看到的年輕人在數位世界裡的能力啦在各國包含美國歐洲日本都開始持續加強定義我們的數位素養而且應該要持續的來幫助他們否則就會遇到一些很不好的現象\n這個是近期發生的一個悲劇有一個14歲的年輕人接下來非常多的人都在用AI結果沉迷AI聊天最後輕生到底我們台灣的學生不管是高等教育的不管是中小學生使用AI的比率使用的方法使用的是付費還免費教育部有沒有進行調查\n首先謝謝委員我還是要先感謝我們全國的中小學老師讓我們的學生能夠在國際的評比在這個面對問題他的一個邏輯思考分析問題他能夠在世界這個排名第一那另外他的科技的一個素養事實上也明面堅保辨別真假的素養\n我想這個不管怎麼樣它是一個國際評比然後它對臺灣的一個教育我們八年級的學生我想這個部分還是要真的要肯定我們老師的用心肯定嘛但是剛才委員所提的這個AI確實國外有許多的研究證據包括在今年裡面美國有一本書的我剛剛不好意思部長我打斷您齁因為這個主席先站起來我問的是臺灣臺灣的AI工具使用的比率跟現狀\n教育部的學習平台上面我們有的AI工具每一天的10月份的話上課平均大概是3.3萬名學生那其他的部分我們沒有做一個全面的調查\n在這裡具體向教育部提出兩點要求第一請教育部參考國外對數位素養的研究尤其是這些真假資訊的吸收跟辨別的能力參考他們的定義兩個月內來調整我們的數位教學指引中小學數位教學指引跟數位素養有關的定義\n第二請教育部研議定期針對各個教育階段的學生進行AI工具使用情形的調查研議結果希望一個月內與書面回覆本席以上兩點部長可不可以承諾謝謝委員的關心確實因為AI所以我們在8月開學前就有一個數位指引給家長給小學給老師使用的狀況而且不是只是使用你們提供的工具不要活在平行時空\n我相信所有的校長都非常關心希望知道這個數據主席也會很想知道好不好麻煩部長我們一定會再來更進一步的報告這個瞭解跟我們報告謝謝獨居委員的質詢部長等請回\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.306 --> 00:13.408\n謝謝主席,有請教育部政要部長\n\n00:22.472 --> 00:38.422\n委員好部長早我想一樣向所有的校長還有先進前輩致意我曾經讀過三間學校也在兩間以上的學校教課也非常高興有這麼多人一起為教育努力部長您的責任很重\n\n00:38.922 --> 00:58.199\n那首先我先提兩個今天大家熱議的議題首先我過去多次關注雙語政策一直提到AI時代現在所有的手機AI的服務都可以做到同步翻譯未來還會更好但我們的教育政策卻為了配合過去的前行政院長\n\n01:00.350 --> 01:10.145\n投影片好像有點問題這個AI已經很進步了但我們在播放投影片有時候偶爾還是會遇到一些困難時間麻煩幫我暫停一下這是技術上的問題不是我們的問題謝謝\n\n01:15.314 --> 01:43.484\n謝謝麻煩繼續待會再補我個幾秒謝謝那我想這個配合這個雙語政策變成教育現場有一些亂象那很多的學科其實會變成反而學不好那現在有消息指出教育部願意迷途知返從善如流重新調整雙語的政策想請教一下部長因為在座大家都很關心嘛接下來到底要怎麼辦想向您確認是不是接下來除了英語課以外其他課程都不用採取英語授課\n\n01:45.094 --> 01:50.360\n中小學英語課是的但是跟委員報告就不能這樣簡化來這樣說我們希望國中小他是能夠從日常生活裡邊他能夠開始從最簡單的自我介紹\n\n02:04.835 --> 02:34.032\n到這個學校到社區導覽十一住行等等的接下來麻煩教育部要提出比較完整的配套因為現在你們新聞的說法是交給第一線的學校決定可是您現在又站在這裡說有完整的這個做法不能一刀切那到底是該怎麼做希望我可以提出完整的說明我們屆時現在我請這一個我們這一個國教署有等於說六年分兩個階段每一個階段有三年然後有一些具體的一些做法\n\n02:34.352 --> 02:48.237\n相關配套措施什麼時候進行調整部長可不可以給一個明確的期程因為我們現在很多不管是大專院校還是中小學都還有雙語的預算啊是期程什麼時候會提出明確的調整措施配套措施\n\n02:49.488 --> 03:01.073\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n\n03:15.366 --> 03:22.188\n二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院\n\n03:39.648 --> 04:06.663\n這個農業部他在11月底他會有一個整個政策上所以是11月底以前是是是會有一個完整的說法是嗎會開會會協調那再麻煩我們會持續追蹤那部長我想今天是教育部114年的預算詢答想先跟您分享我們的高教領頭羊我們臺灣大學即將在2028年邁向百年孝慶我也非常恭喜那我們陳校長也特別提出呼籲在近幾年的榮景之下\n\n04:07.463 --> 04:27.694\n其實我們也應該要有更多的基礎建設更多的前瞻包含像日本的大學有每年100億日元的補助或者其他世界級的大學也都持續的在往前更加的推動但近來我們面臨人事費的增長甚至電價還有可能調整\n\n04:28.334 --> 04:46.869\n非常難做一些相關經費的一些因應那非常多的大專院校也都積極呼籲,包含本席是不是可以再為高教請命,站在教育部的立場剛剛我們洪孟凱委員也說了可不可以再向行政院爭取高教前瞻基礎建設的經費,或用其他的方式剛剛他是說兩倍啦\n\n04:47.930 --> 05:04.138\n那我想還提出了這個烏紗帽的請求我是不是請您再強化一下您的意願跟這個積極態度感謝委員對高等教育人才培育的一個關心其實事實上我跟委員還有我們所有的大學校長的心情是一樣的\n\n05:04.838 --> 05:23.754\n所以我們在高教生跟今年我們就增加了跟去年比我們增加了20億所以我想這個部分我們怎麼樣持續的對高等教育資源給予更寬裕的一個機會讓他們有一個更大的一個對未來的想像的發展我想還是遠遠不足啦接下來可能還有很多費用要調整嘛\n\n05:25.015 --> 05:46.634\n所以這個所有的價格都在上漲,所以麻煩您再積極爭取那同時這個非常多的校長,包含我們臺大陳校長也在現場包含本席也都提到,說其實現在的人才培育應該要有一個跨部會的小組從這個人才培育,我們只是舉AI為例好了\n\n05:46.974 --> 06:15.209\n教育部、國科會、經濟部、國發會、速發部之間其實就有很多橫向的溝通可以做得更好更何況整體的人才培育所以我想請教部長臺灣未來如果要跟其他人競爭我們的人才培育的中長期的規劃甚至未來幾十年甚至百年的大計這是最重要的請教部長能不能向行政院爭取成立一個跨部會的人才培育小組讓大學可以有一個直接和各部會直接溝通的平台\n\n06:15.669 --> 06:20.433\n最重要的是這個平台應該要讓各大學可以參與部長可不可以承諾\n\n06:22.384 --> 06:49.777\n謝謝跟委員報告我們目前行政內部事實上在以國發會啟動本來我們在人才培育裡邊在人力的義孤他就有一個跨部會的一個所以現在全臺灣未來的人才是國發會在管不是教育部在管嗎我們當然也參與接下來這個平台到底要是誰我們現在一問了這個跨部會平台大家會在踢教育部踢國發會國發會踢國科會國科會又踢給辦公室到底是誰教育部長您能不能\n\n06:50.157 --> 07:17.948\n感謝委員的一個提醒委員當然也是一種方式就是說在人才培育我們有更積極的成立一個那不然我們這麼多大學校長在這裡聽您說話幹嘛呢我們請國發會來就好啦人才培育嘛謝謝委員謝謝委員提醒我想我們可以更細膩的針對這個人才來組成這個小組我們來努力教育部可不可以直接啦我想教育部很重要希望可以跟行政院爭取那同時我們談到人才培育\n\n07:18.928 --> 07:47.358\n其實我們也看到一些亂象其實我非常多次的質詢也都提起現在的這個多元入學很可能被坊間稱作多錢入學學習歷程檔案一個單一PTF只能上傳4M影片只能傳幾秒鐘就算了我們這個持續追蹤但是還是希望可以提高但是現在的問題是什麼有貧富不均的問題我們一再的詢問坊間一再的提醒教育部一再的說沒有但是怎麼樣\n\n07:48.138 --> 08:10.235\n所有的課程都還在銷售甚至還有雙11特價蝦皮上面的所有的東西還賣出什麼?有的賣出10萬份有的賣出4.7萬份還評價很高五星好評到底有多少學生都用這些所謂的銷售的這種方式付費的方式來做多錢入學\n\n08:10.615 --> 08:39.153\n那沒有錢的學生是不是不公平老師有沒有辦法去分辨出這些付費的服務這種做法難道是教育部想要的嗎同時啦我想接下來我們還有很多同學的這些資料很可能是用AI產生的AI也可能要付錢AI做出來的東西老師目前也沒有工具可以評斷接下來排山倒海而來的這些資料有的是付錢的有的是AI做的到底我們應該要怎麼做無獨有偶\n\n08:39.753 --> 09:03.669\n近年來我們還推動了什麼呢?APCS的徵選有越來越多的名額要採用這個徵選的方式雖然報名考試的費用是教育部來支持的但是補習班如雨後春筍出來我想我們剛剛列了一系列的問題其實都在講我們的教育的方針跟政策不能變成多錢入學\n\n09:04.269 --> 09:13.157\n有錢的人就可以入學部長面對多元入學變成多錢入學教育商品化我們一定要打擊這樣的現象教育部有沒有探討背後的原因\n\n09:14.588 --> 09:36.984\n感謝委員的指導確實我想教育多元化我們就希望肯定人他就是有個別差異所以才希望他在生涯的發展金錢的個別差異嗎?能力的個別差異嗎?所以能力比較差的就要去補習嗎?不是,所以我們多元的入學管道本來就是因應學生希望他能夠適性能夠一個發展更好的發展\n\n09:40.566 --> 09:52.174\n所以剛才委員所提的當然不是教育部所樂意看到的那我們也知道民間的業者有時候他當然在招生的一個手法或者從利潤上的一個考量\n\n10:11.146 --> 10:30.634\n進一步的研議可以提供給本席有專家也提出善用AI工具當然有壞的就是他可能會偽造是自己做的但也有好的提升他的能力那我想請教一下部長您知道114學年度在中小學的階段一共編列多少預算來推動數位平權\n\n10:36.906 --> 10:45.330\n跟委員報告在這個數位評審的這個部分數位學習的精進方案有27億27億除以200再來\n\n10:49.301 --> 11:05.649\n其實就是這個答案沒錯啊有將近2億然後還有一個BYOD沒關係我們算過了啦每一個小學每一個中小學生平均起來大概就是3塊錢那一個月呢其實就是幾十塊錢跟這個我們營養午餐比起來相差18倍\n\n11:11.332 --> 11:37.442\n這些錢可能要存一年才能買一個月的確GPT的費用我想確GPT一個月要20塊美金教育部如果真的有心要推動數位平權AI平權要讓不只是中小學的學生我們的大專院校的電腦教室我們的高等教育的這些同學都應該要有能力來使用這些服務完全看不出來教育部推動這些數位平權的決心這部分教育部長可不可以承諾來檢討一下\n\n11:39.605 --> 11:52.336\n我想我們確實一直在努力因為以實際性剛才委員事實上在這個CHATGPT這個OpenAI確實在整個學習跟教學上影響是很深遠的我們講的是數位平權的預算好不好再麻煩再討論一下\n\n11:56.259 --> 12:10.256\n接下來其實還有很大的問題是我們的數位素養啦恭喜啦我們的運算思維全球第一但是我們的資訊素養現在是排名第四但是加起來75%的人都只有基本的能力是什麼呢我用一張圖來表示\n\n12:11.778 --> 12:34.674\n所有的這些學生所有的這些年輕人在沒有好的資訊素養教育情況之下變得很會吃不會挑這其實不是我們要看到的年輕人在數位世界裡的能力啦在各國包含美國歐洲日本都開始持續加強定義我們的數位素養而且應該要持續的來幫助他們否則就會遇到一些很不好的現象\n\n12:35.755 --> 12:58.442\n這個是近期發生的一個悲劇有一個14歲的年輕人接下來非常多的人都在用AI結果沉迷AI聊天最後輕生到底我們台灣的學生不管是高等教育的不管是中小學生使用AI的比率使用的方法使用的是付費還免費教育部有沒有進行調查\n\n12:59.383 --> 13:21.394\n首先謝謝委員我還是要先感謝我們全國的中小學老師讓我們的學生能夠在國際的評比在這個面對問題他的一個邏輯思考分析問題他能夠在世界這個排名第一那另外他的科技的一個素養事實上也明面堅保辨別真假的素養\n\n13:22.274 --> 13:50.124\n我想這個不管怎麼樣它是一個國際評比然後它對臺灣的一個教育我們八年級的學生我想這個部分還是要真的要肯定我們老師的用心肯定嘛但是剛才委員所提的這個AI確實國外有許多的研究證據包括在今年裡面美國有一本書的我剛剛不好意思部長我打斷您齁因為這個主席先站起來我問的是臺灣臺灣的AI工具使用的比率跟現狀\n\n14:00.239 --> 14:13.064\n教育部的學習平台上面我們有的AI工具每一天的10月份的話上課平均大概是3.3萬名學生那其他的部分我們沒有做一個全面的調查\n\n14:13.684 --> 14:31.110\n在這裡具體向教育部提出兩點要求第一請教育部參考國外對數位素養的研究尤其是這些真假資訊的吸收跟辨別的能力參考他們的定義兩個月內來調整我們的數位教學指引中小學數位教學指引跟數位素養有關的定義\n\n14:31.670 --> 14:59.909\n第二請教育部研議定期針對各個教育階段的學生進行AI工具使用情形的調查研議結果希望一個月內與書面回覆本席以上兩點部長可不可以承諾謝謝委員的關心確實因為AI所以我們在8月開學前就有一個數位指引給家長給小學給老師使用的狀況而且不是只是使用你們提供的工具不要活在平行時空\n\n15:01.970 --> 15:12.697\n我相信所有的校長都非常關心希望知道這個數據主席也會很想知道好不好麻煩部長我們一定會再來更進一步的報告這個瞭解跟我們報告謝謝獨居委員的質詢部長等請回\n\n","segments":[{"start":11.306,"end":13.408,"text":"謝謝主席,有請教育部政要部長"},{"start":22.472,"end":38.422,"text":"委員好部長早我想一樣向所有的校長還有先進前輩致意我曾經讀過三間學校也在兩間以上的學校教課也非常高興有這麼多人一起為教育努力部長您的責任很重"},{"start":38.922,"end":58.199,"text":"那首先我先提兩個今天大家熱議的議題首先我過去多次關注雙語政策一直提到AI時代現在所有的手機AI的服務都可以做到同步翻譯未來還會更好但我們的教育政策卻為了配合過去的前行政院長"},{"start":60.35,"end":70.145,"text":"投影片好像有點問題這個AI已經很進步了但我們在播放投影片有時候偶爾還是會遇到一些困難時間麻煩幫我暫停一下這是技術上的問題不是我們的問題謝謝"},{"start":75.314,"end":103.484,"text":"謝謝麻煩繼續待會再補我個幾秒謝謝那我想這個配合這個雙語政策變成教育現場有一些亂象那很多的學科其實會變成反而學不好那現在有消息指出教育部願意迷途知返從善如流重新調整雙語的政策想請教一下部長因為在座大家都很關心嘛接下來到底要怎麼辦想向您確認是不是接下來除了英語課以外其他課程都不用採取英語授課"},{"start":105.094,"end":110.36,"text":"中小學英語課是的但是跟委員報告就不能這樣簡化來這樣說我們希望國中小他是能夠從日常生活裡邊他能夠開始從最簡單的自我介紹"},{"start":124.835,"end":154.032,"text":"到這個學校到社區導覽十一住行等等的接下來麻煩教育部要提出比較完整的配套因為現在你們新聞的說法是交給第一線的學校決定可是您現在又站在這裡說有完整的這個做法不能一刀切那到底是該怎麼做希望我可以提出完整的說明我們屆時現在我請這一個我們這一個國教署有等於說六年分兩個階段每一個階段有三年然後有一些具體的一些做法"},{"start":154.352,"end":168.237,"text":"相關配套措施什麼時候進行調整部長可不可以給一個明確的期程因為我們現在很多不管是大專院校還是中小學都還有雙語的預算啊是期程什麼時候會提出明確的調整措施配套措施"},{"start":169.488,"end":181.073,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":195.366,"end":202.188,"text":"二、審查114年度教育部主管47所國立大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院"},{"start":219.648,"end":246.663,"text":"這個農業部他在11月底他會有一個整個政策上所以是11月底以前是是是會有一個完整的說法是嗎會開會會協調那再麻煩我們會持續追蹤那部長我想今天是教育部114年的預算詢答想先跟您分享我們的高教領頭羊我們臺灣大學即將在2028年邁向百年孝慶我也非常恭喜那我們陳校長也特別提出呼籲在近幾年的榮景之下"},{"start":247.463,"end":267.694,"text":"其實我們也應該要有更多的基礎建設更多的前瞻包含像日本的大學有每年100億日元的補助或者其他世界級的大學也都持續的在往前更加的推動但近來我們面臨人事費的增長甚至電價還有可能調整"},{"start":268.334,"end":286.869,"text":"非常難做一些相關經費的一些因應那非常多的大專院校也都積極呼籲,包含本席是不是可以再為高教請命,站在教育部的立場剛剛我們洪孟凱委員也說了可不可以再向行政院爭取高教前瞻基礎建設的經費,或用其他的方式剛剛他是說兩倍啦"},{"start":287.93,"end":304.138,"text":"那我想還提出了這個烏紗帽的請求我是不是請您再強化一下您的意願跟這個積極態度感謝委員對高等教育人才培育的一個關心其實事實上我跟委員還有我們所有的大學校長的心情是一樣的"},{"start":304.838,"end":323.754,"text":"所以我們在高教生跟今年我們就增加了跟去年比我們增加了20億所以我想這個部分我們怎麼樣持續的對高等教育資源給予更寬裕的一個機會讓他們有一個更大的一個對未來的想像的發展我想還是遠遠不足啦接下來可能還有很多費用要調整嘛"},{"start":325.015,"end":346.634,"text":"所以這個所有的價格都在上漲,所以麻煩您再積極爭取那同時這個非常多的校長,包含我們臺大陳校長也在現場包含本席也都提到,說其實現在的人才培育應該要有一個跨部會的小組從這個人才培育,我們只是舉AI為例好了"},{"start":346.974,"end":375.209,"text":"教育部、國科會、經濟部、國發會、速發部之間其實就有很多橫向的溝通可以做得更好更何況整體的人才培育所以我想請教部長臺灣未來如果要跟其他人競爭我們的人才培育的中長期的規劃甚至未來幾十年甚至百年的大計這是最重要的請教部長能不能向行政院爭取成立一個跨部會的人才培育小組讓大學可以有一個直接和各部會直接溝通的平台"},{"start":375.669,"end":380.433,"text":"最重要的是這個平台應該要讓各大學可以參與部長可不可以承諾"},{"start":382.384,"end":409.777,"text":"謝謝跟委員報告我們目前行政內部事實上在以國發會啟動本來我們在人才培育裡邊在人力的義孤他就有一個跨部會的一個所以現在全臺灣未來的人才是國發會在管不是教育部在管嗎我們當然也參與接下來這個平台到底要是誰我們現在一問了這個跨部會平台大家會在踢教育部踢國發會國發會踢國科會國科會又踢給辦公室到底是誰教育部長您能不能"},{"start":410.157,"end":437.948,"text":"感謝委員的一個提醒委員當然也是一種方式就是說在人才培育我們有更積極的成立一個那不然我們這麼多大學校長在這裡聽您說話幹嘛呢我們請國發會來就好啦人才培育嘛謝謝委員謝謝委員提醒我想我們可以更細膩的針對這個人才來組成這個小組我們來努力教育部可不可以直接啦我想教育部很重要希望可以跟行政院爭取那同時我們談到人才培育"},{"start":438.928,"end":467.358,"text":"其實我們也看到一些亂象其實我非常多次的質詢也都提起現在的這個多元入學很可能被坊間稱作多錢入學學習歷程檔案一個單一PTF只能上傳4M影片只能傳幾秒鐘就算了我們這個持續追蹤但是還是希望可以提高但是現在的問題是什麼有貧富不均的問題我們一再的詢問坊間一再的提醒教育部一再的說沒有但是怎麼樣"},{"start":468.138,"end":490.235,"text":"所有的課程都還在銷售甚至還有雙11特價蝦皮上面的所有的東西還賣出什麼?有的賣出10萬份有的賣出4.7萬份還評價很高五星好評到底有多少學生都用這些所謂的銷售的這種方式付費的方式來做多錢入學"},{"start":490.615,"end":519.153,"text":"那沒有錢的學生是不是不公平老師有沒有辦法去分辨出這些付費的服務這種做法難道是教育部想要的嗎同時啦我想接下來我們還有很多同學的這些資料很可能是用AI產生的AI也可能要付錢AI做出來的東西老師目前也沒有工具可以評斷接下來排山倒海而來的這些資料有的是付錢的有的是AI做的到底我們應該要怎麼做無獨有偶"},{"start":519.753,"end":543.669,"text":"近年來我們還推動了什麼呢?APCS的徵選有越來越多的名額要採用這個徵選的方式雖然報名考試的費用是教育部來支持的但是補習班如雨後春筍出來我想我們剛剛列了一系列的問題其實都在講我們的教育的方針跟政策不能變成多錢入學"},{"start":544.269,"end":553.157,"text":"有錢的人就可以入學部長面對多元入學變成多錢入學教育商品化我們一定要打擊這樣的現象教育部有沒有探討背後的原因"},{"start":554.588,"end":576.984,"text":"感謝委員的指導確實我想教育多元化我們就希望肯定人他就是有個別差異所以才希望他在生涯的發展金錢的個別差異嗎?能力的個別差異嗎?所以能力比較差的就要去補習嗎?不是,所以我們多元的入學管道本來就是因應學生希望他能夠適性能夠一個發展更好的發展"},{"start":580.566,"end":592.174,"text":"所以剛才委員所提的當然不是教育部所樂意看到的那我們也知道民間的業者有時候他當然在招生的一個手法或者從利潤上的一個考量"},{"start":611.146,"end":630.634,"text":"進一步的研議可以提供給本席有專家也提出善用AI工具當然有壞的就是他可能會偽造是自己做的但也有好的提升他的能力那我想請教一下部長您知道114學年度在中小學的階段一共編列多少預算來推動數位平權"},{"start":636.906,"end":645.33,"text":"跟委員報告在這個數位評審的這個部分數位學習的精進方案有27億27億除以200再來"},{"start":649.301,"end":665.649,"text":"其實就是這個答案沒錯啊有將近2億然後還有一個BYOD沒關係我們算過了啦每一個小學每一個中小學生平均起來大概就是3塊錢那一個月呢其實就是幾十塊錢跟這個我們營養午餐比起來相差18倍"},{"start":671.332,"end":697.442,"text":"這些錢可能要存一年才能買一個月的確GPT的費用我想確GPT一個月要20塊美金教育部如果真的有心要推動數位平權AI平權要讓不只是中小學的學生我們的大專院校的電腦教室我們的高等教育的這些同學都應該要有能力來使用這些服務完全看不出來教育部推動這些數位平權的決心這部分教育部長可不可以承諾來檢討一下"},{"start":699.605,"end":712.336,"text":"我想我們確實一直在努力因為以實際性剛才委員事實上在這個CHAT 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所國立大學校院校務基金、國立臺灣大學附設醫院作業基金、國立成功大學附設醫院作業基\n金、國立陽明交通大學附設醫院作業基金、教育部所屬機構作業基金、國立高級中等學校校務基\n金、學產基金、運動發展基金、私立高級中等以上學校退場基金；三、審查114年度行政法人國\n家運動訓練中心預算案；四、審查114年度行政法人國家運動科學中心預算案（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"1139901_00006"}}}