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00:00:49,130\n市長早安你知道現在氣候變遷嗎你說要提高我們的農業韌性現在台北我們大家在穿毛衣你知道彰化或者是更南現在是大太陽代表了氣候環境的改變對我們農業的影響非常大是不是是\n\n3\n00:00:50,790 --> 00:01:10,788\n所以過去以來我們強力的就是在支持農業部的科技發展預算但是我發現了在我們大力支持希望我們科技發展可以協助農業生產的時候但是在農民端發生了一個問題\n\n4\n00:01:12,089 --> 00:01:12,590\n發言委員：發言委員：\n\n5\n00:01:28,459 --> 00:01:44,079\n不過我想可能委員誤會了齁我們科技發展它不只是只有農機具它所有的品種開發栽培技術改良跟採收或處理那農機的研究只是一小部分而已它並不是代表全部我知道\n\n6\n00:01:44,540 --> 00:02:10,950\n但是從農民他們所接觸的生產的積雪就是說他們接觸的所有的不管是肥料也好或者是種苗也好他們會認為他們的生產成本因為技術的提高而增加而他們的收入卻沒有因為技術的就是說他們這些成本的增加而有大幅度的增加這要怎麼解決?\n\n7\n00:02:12,070 --> 00:02:35,829\n我想要分兩個部分就是說品種的開發我想我們試驗單位會根據氣候變遷一些耐候性的這些品種那品種的推廣我們盡可能用推廣跟授權的方式處理那栽培技術的改良我們有農民學院還有非常多的這些說明會透過產交班來做溝通這個部分我想我們持續在做\n\n8\n00:02:36,289 --> 00:02:36,749\n對,他會認為說你補助的是機械。\n\n9\n00:02:52,578 --> 00:02:52,718\n發言委員：\n\n10\n00:03:08,646 --> 00:03:34,608\n他們也會認為他們的生產成本就是業者就是那些機具業者的成本也相對的價格也會提高那造成他們成本的提高那現在又導致了我們可能我們需求不夠的情況下會導致他們沒有辦法獲得了一個就是說一個相當的收益啊是不是\n\n11\n00:03:35,528 --> 00:03:51,936\n這個我想我們已經一直在集合就是說通常我們補助下去的時候農機區的價格就變高了就變稀釋了所以我們在前端的這些市售的價格我們會不斷的去集合跟滾動檢討不要因為我們補助50%結果它的整個售價也提高了40%那這樣的話對農民來講也是一種負擔\n\n12\n00:04:00,020 --> 00:04:19,558\n所以這個部分我想我們會來努力盡量去結合相關的事項的部分。這個問題很大。我知道。這個問題是在於我們今天在審預算我們都一直在協助農業部的預算。是。但是我們希望說農業部的不管是科技的發展等等的都可以協助農民但是\n\n13\n00:04:19,998 --> 00:04:36,333\n沒有想到反而造成了生產成本的增加那導致他們最後的收益沒有辦法如同生產成本等比例的增加這個時候就會造成大幅度的影響剛才也有委員質詢到相關於颱風的災損的申報\n\n14\n00:04:40,776 --> 00:05:05,022\n當然我們知道公務人員有公務人員應有的法則但是在於災損的申報重寬重延重檢這個部分目前在基層的確沒有辦法達到那這個部分農業部也需要來檢討怎麼樣子簡化流程目前的確流程沒有達到大幅度的簡化\n\n15\n00:05:06,363 --> 00:05:31,552\n我跟您報告應該在這個月底應該在11月底的時候我們會把新的天然災害救助辦法重新更新那有一部分就是我們過往比較大的災害農業部都會有主動公告在這次四個颱風就已經呈現它很快速的可是相對的我們也發現說當農業部主動公告的越快的時候那地方政府就用喊的就是希望中央總安公告理論上來講\n\n16\n00:05:32,452 --> 00:05:36,055\n農業部不可能面對所有的限制每一個品項所以後續的整個公告的程序我們會來做簡化\n\n17\n00:05:50,689 --> 00:06:14,502\n然後做更大的一個彈性的處理才能夠達到從寬的這個跟重塑的這個態度。從目前看來的確沒有辦法達到。就是大家都沒有辦法按照說天然災害的辦法重塑重建。特別是彰化、雲林、嘉義、台南它面積比較大的時候公所的人力不夠的時候造成它的速度會變慢。\n\n18\n00:06:15,915 --> 00:06:31,043\n對這個部分這應該也不是公所的那個就是當農民申報的時候你們對於到底是不是補助的範圍因為有時候有耕期的問題你們也沒有辦法沒有公道就確定他申請以後就去現勘了\n\n19\n00:06:31,903 --> 00:06:32,523\n我想要知道你現在推的怎麼樣?\n\n20\n00:07:03,193 --> 00:07:31,549\n我想從現在目前開始有一個那個CS本身還有一個TGAP的部分那這個標章我們會鏈接到產交履歷的部分所以我們現在目前應該在那個保久乳的部分我們現在已經開始在處理這個CS的部分CS的部分還有產交履歷的部分那我們希望說透過產交履歷透過CS或TGAP的認證標章讓我們的消費者\n\n21\n00:07:32,030 --> 00:07:34,788\n為什麽從包周入開始?為什麽先入不行?\n\n22\n00:07:35,808 --> 00:07:39,692\n新的標章嗎?對,已經7月1號就設計過了。新的,已經貼在鮮乳標章了。已經改了。就是台灣的鮮乳標章。所以經過這個新的標章認證的就是台灣鮮乳。對對。那未來是連保酒乳也要同樣認證,是不是?也要認證,是這樣子的。\n\n23\n00:08:03,432 --> 00:08:25,312\n我想要知道的是現在食藥署對於這個臺灣鮮乳的標章的看法是怎麼樣?他不是對臺灣鮮乳標章是沒問題他是針對進口的長效鮮乳有沒有那個名稱他們有疑慮他們專家會議此不同的意見我們是希望說他用長效乳\n\n24\n00:08:27,314 --> 00:08:50,700\n不要先制,但是他們是覺得應該用長效先入。所以他們還是不認為,他們還是需要保留先入這個部分,是不是?對,因為這是衛福部他們專家會議的決定,但是我想我們還是持續的堅持我們的立場。好,那我還有一個意見,就是我們2025年傳統豬瘟是不是有可能會八針?\n\n25\n00:08:53,004 --> 00:08:54,526\n臺灣的傳統豬瘟,你們已經提出申請了是不是?\n\n26\n00:08:54,526 --> 00:08:55,607\n有沒有提出申請?\n\n27\n00:08:55,607 --> 00:08:55,968\n那有沒有可能拔針?\n\n28\n00:08:55,968 --> 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他申請以後就去現勘了\n391903\t392523\t我想要知道你現在推的怎麼樣?\n423193\t451549\t我想從現在目前開始有一個那個CS本身還有一個TGAP的部分那這個標章我們會鏈接到產交履歷的部分所以我們現在目前應該在那個保久乳的部分我們現在已經開始在處理這個CS的部分CS的部分還有產交履歷的部分那我們希望說透過產交履歷透過CS或TGAP的認證標章讓我們的消費者\n452030\t454788\t為什麽從包周入開始?為什麽先入不行?\n455808\t459692\t新的標章嗎?對,已經7月1號就設計過了。新的,已經貼在鮮乳標章了。已經改了。就是台灣的鮮乳標章。所以經過這個新的標章認證的就是台灣鮮乳。對對。那未來是連保酒乳也要同樣認證,是不是?也要認證,是這樣子的。\n483432\t505312\t我想要知道的是現在食藥署對於這個臺灣鮮乳的標章的看法是怎麼樣?他不是對臺灣鮮乳標章是沒問題他是針對進口的長效鮮乳有沒有那個名稱他們有疑慮他們專家會議此不同的意見我們是希望說他用長效乳\n507314\t530700\t不要先制,但是他們是覺得應該用長效先入。所以他們還是不認為,他們還是需要保留先入這個部分,是不是?對,因為這是衛福部他們專家會議的決定,但是我想我們還是持續的堅持我們的立場。好,那我還有一個意見,就是我們2025年傳統豬瘟是不是有可能會八針?\n533004\t534526\t臺灣的傳統豬瘟,你們已經提出申請了是不是?\n534526\t535607\t有沒有提出申請?\n535607\t535968\t那有沒有可能拔針?\n535968\t537049\t絕對我們應該是非常樂觀以對,如果國內對待時間不會再發生絕對沒問題。\n550245\t567379\t好 那我希望說你們可以非常嚴謹的處理這件事情因為這牽涉到我們稻草要輸往日本的規定是不是對 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是\n所以過去以來我們強力的就是在支持農業部的科技發展預算但是我發現了在我們大力支持希望我們科技發展可以協助農業生產的時候但是在農民端發生了一個問題\n發言委員：發言委員：\n不過我想可能委員誤會了齁我們科技發展它不只是只有農機具它所有的品種開發栽培技術改良跟採收或處理那農機的研究只是一小部分而已它並不是代表全部我知道\n但是從農民他們所接觸的生產的積雪就是說他們接觸的所有的不管是肥料也好或者是種苗也好他們會認為他們的生產成本因為技術的提高而增加而他們的收入卻沒有因為技術的就是說他們這些成本的增加而有大幅度的增加這要怎麼解決?\n我想要分兩個部分就是說品種的開發我想我們試驗單位會根據氣候變遷一些耐候性的這些品種那品種的推廣我們盡可能用推廣跟授權的方式處理那栽培技術的改良我們有農民學院還有非常多的這些說明會透過產交班來做溝通這個部分我想我們持續在做\n對,他會認為說你補助的是機械。\n發言委員：\n他們也會認為他們的生產成本就是業者就是那些機具業者的成本也相對的價格也會提高那造成他們成本的提高那現在又導致了我們可能我們需求不夠的情況下會導致他們沒有辦法獲得了一個就是說一個相當的收益啊是不是\n這個我想我們已經一直在集合就是說通常我們補助下去的時候農機區的價格就變高了就變稀釋了所以我們在前端的這些市售的價格我們會不斷的去集合跟滾動檢討不要因為我們補助50%結果它的整個售價也提高了40%那這樣的話對農民來講也是一種負擔\n所以這個部分我想我們會來努力盡量去結合相關的事項的部分。 這個問題很大。我知道。 這個問題是在於我們今天在審預算我們都一直在協助農業部的預算。 是。但是我們希望說農業部的不管是科技的發展等等的都可以協助農民但是\n沒有想到反而造成了生產成本的增加那導致他們最後的收益沒有辦法如同生產成本等比例的增加這個時候就會造成大幅度的影響剛才也有委員質詢到相關於颱風的災損的申報\n當然我們知道公務人員有公務人員應有的法則但是在於災損的申報重寬重延重檢這個部分目前在基層的確沒有辦法達到那這個部分農業部也需要來檢討怎麼樣子簡化流程目前的確流程沒有達到大幅度的簡化\n我跟您報告應該在這個月底應該在11月底的時候我們會把新的天然災害救助辦法重新更新那有一部分就是我們過往比較大的災害農業部都會有主動公告在這次四個颱風就已經呈現它很快速的可是相對的我們也發現說當農業部主動公告的越快的時候那地方政府就用喊的就是希望中央總安公告理論上來講\n農業部不可能面對所有的限制每一個品項所以後續的整個公告的程序我們會來做簡化\n然後做更大的一個彈性的處理才能夠達到從寬的這個跟重塑的這個態度。從目前看來的確沒有辦法達到。就是大家都沒有辦法按照說天然災害的辦法重塑重建。特別是彰化、雲林、嘉義、台南它面積比較大的時候公所的人力不夠的時候造成它的速度會變慢。\n對 這個部分 這應該也不是公所的那個 就是當農民申報的時候 你們對於到底是不是補助的範圍 因為有時候有耕期的問題 你們也沒有辦法 沒有 公道就確定 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