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00:02:14,126\n歐盟的數字?沒關係,我跟你說差不多4.5億那請問一下東南亞各國的人口總共多少人?\n\n7\n00:02:20,798 --> 00:02:46,793\n東南亞的話我們是算新南向是18國那如果南亞是6國那這個部分只有講東南亞的話呢大概就是目前的差不多6億6億左右因為印度的話就已經佔了印度不算對印度跟東南亞是分開的因為我們的觀光政策來講現在是補助東南亞的旅客來台一個人5000塊應該超過6億了對超過6億對超過6億\n\n8\n00:02:49,935 --> 00:03:10,102\n我們現在看到的就是說這就是本席很不能理解的地方歐盟4.5億那東南亞6億加起來差不多10.5億將近11億的人口那我們中間還要補助他們的這些來台的來台旅遊的費用那我們直接看到據我所知最新的報告差不多中國大陸將近14億人口對吧\n\n9\n00:03:11,109 --> 00:03:28,353\n那我們很明顯的就是說我有點不太理解以商業的角度來看或發展產業的角度來看我們很直接的去掠過我們旁邊的14億人口的市場然後我們一天到晚想去拉至少要跟我們差不多16個小時以上的飛機或者是我們還要補貼人家5000塊的顧客來去衝我們現在的人數\n\n10\n00:03:34,255 --> 00:03:51,825\n我如果看了沒有說因為這份報告這份都是目前我看到的報告我們現在報告已經跟我講說我們現在只要有從台灣到大陸的飛機載客率已經恢復到如同2019年的時候的將近八成的載客率是不是真的啊\n\n11\n00:03:52,546 --> 00:03:54,528\n黃健豪等17人、黃健豪等17人、黃健豪等17人\n\n12\n00:04:08,345 --> 00:04:33,962\n但是我們目前的航班跟航點其實比過去是減少滿多的這就是我等一下要提的東西不好意思部長既然您都講了因為我們現在在我現在看到的數字就是說我們現在差不多希望說我們今年能夠衝到1000萬人次不過目前來講我們差不多在750萬左右老實講現在已經是11月28號我們有很多很多的因素導致說我們現在這個回復到這個我記得沒有錯是2019年我們的人數是1184萬人次是史上最高\n\n13\n00:04:38,905 --> 00:04:57,196\n可是如果說剛好也是輪流查了一下就是我們最高峰的時候光大陸的人次來到台灣就差不多418萬那如果跟現在750萬加起來剛好回到2019年那個時候當然2019年的時候那個大陸的旅客也沒有這麼多但是很明顯的就是說我們現在\n\n14\n00:04:58,834 --> 00:05:23,489\n因為我們的專攻人數的不夠多所以我們現在實質上我們觀光產業的產值逆差高達7300億當然我們可以講說因為天災、因為颱風我們可以講很多理由但是我想請問署長我們是不是還要去爭取大陸旅遊客這塊市場跟委員報告一下2019年的時候入客是271\n\n15\n00:05:25,330 --> 00:05:40,511\n那您剛剛那個數字是四年2015年418對但是我們在算的時候是這樣子就是我們歡迎各國來部長那個署長我只是想很單純說我們還不要爭取大陸大陸旅遊市場我們也歡迎啊也歡迎啊沒有說不歡迎啊\n\n16\n00:05:40,751 --> 00:05:56,723\n那如果是這樣子的話我本席常常聽過一句話啦其實本席像是不是預設立場的人我想部長可能很能夠理解那一句話叫戰爭是政治的延續而政治是為了經濟而服務到目前為止臺灣都能夠希望能夠發展成為所謂的觀光大國\n\n17\n00:05:59,145 --> 00:06:26,406\n因為觀光財基本上是成本目前我們知道除了不計垃圾跟社會成本之外觀光財應該是目前來講成本最少的財源所以說當我們的觀光業者我們要發展觀光大國但是我們很刻意的去忽略到全世界將近快五分之一的人口去忽略到這麼大一塊市場的時候那這樣其實對我們的觀光業者其實也難怪他們會叫苦連天啦\n\n18\n00:06:26,966 --> 00:06:42,012\n所以這邊我會在這邊本席會建請我們的會強烈建議建請我們的觀光署甚至交通部來跟路委會來談一下有沒有可能只要恢復到在在這個疫情之前的直航點就好了\n\n19\n00:06:42,532 --> 00:06:59,924\n像幾個點我就直接講像是說濟南、長沙、西安、合肥、南昌、天津、溫州等等這些都是在疫情前我們有的執行點這不是說我們現在去設新的航點而是疫情前我們就有執行點是不是能夠把它恢復我想部長跟署長認為呢\n\n20\n00:07:01,641 --> 00:07:27,789\n是這個部分我們的立場還是很希望能夠多一些觀光客來臺灣包含中國的觀光客我們也都很歡迎不過非航的部分其實有一些是商業上面的機制就是說它的需求有沒有到如果有到的時候業者就會提出申請提出申請就看國安單位跟陸委會那邊他們的判斷這個部分我們當然是希望說多一些人可以過來我們是非常歡迎的\n\n21\n00:07:28,190 --> 00:07:29,577\n所以從交通部的觀點來講是樂觀其成對吧\n\n22\n00:07:32,731 --> 00:08:00,394\n好那希望說我今天因為質詢都有都有在錄影都有在各方面都回答那我是認為是說與其一天到晚觀光業者不停的向我們請命說我們需要活下去我們需要活下去不如就是說明明那邊有一塊很大的市場那我們不去談然後我們一天到晚去找這東南亞的客人我們要付他200塊美金我覺得這個思維邏輯上好像哪裡不太對勁委員有一個釐清一下就是我們全球啊每個國家都有些優惠措施\n\n23\n00:08:01,135 --> 00:08:02,597\n黃健豪等17人、黃健豪等17人、黃健豪等17人\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4795\t14261\t好,謝謝主席。有請交通部陳部長、我們公路總、公路局的陳局長跟高工局的趙局長。高工局趙局長。\n19843\t48302\t部長、兩位局長我記得上次本席在質詢的時候因為基隆市有常態性塞車基隆市他們現在跟台北交接的國道1號上面有常態性塞車那時候交通部部長也跟盜運說要給本席說有關這個臨時入權撥用的這個study那現在我據我剛剛才看三分鐘之前現在基隆跟台北還在塞車那我想請問有關這個臨時如果遇到臨時入權\n49723\t74137\t需要解決交通問題請問這個研究報告做好了沒有?這個我上次有跟委員報告我們會來著手進行那這個部分是不是請局長來跟您回答跟委員報告因為現在的法令規定本來就有就是說塞子因為一般的客運它雖然有它行駛的路線不過就是說基本上在擁塞或是事故然後這一條路線它已經阻塞了不能就是行駛的\n74697\t97962\t他當然可以就是說行使其他的替代路線那這個部分的話法令有規定那我們也請客運業者就是提出就是說他們如果說在比如說這個高速公路有相關的一個用塞的話他比如說從國一改走國三或者是其他的一個路線這部分沒有問題我希望未來這個SOP這個能夠盡快能夠越來越及時只要業者提出申請我們這邊就會來處理\n98482\t125789\t那可能這邊也要不是只有公路局還有高工局也可能要配合一下因為哪一條高速公路出問題的時候這是對民眾對基隆也對基隆所有通行圖最關心的事情好 謝謝兩位局長再來我想請觀光署的周署長好 周署長部長跟署長我想請問一下歐盟總人口多少人\n129818\t134126\t歐盟的數字?沒關係,我跟你說差不多4.5億那請問一下東南亞各國的人口總共多少人?\n140798\t166793\t東南亞的話我們是算新南向是18國那如果南亞是6國那這個部分只有講東南亞的話呢大概就是目前的差不多6億6億左右因為印度的話就已經佔了印度不算對印度跟東南亞是分開的因為我們的觀光政策來講現在是補助東南亞的旅客來台一個人5000塊應該超過6億了對超過6億對超過6億\n169935\t190102\t我們現在看到的就是說這就是本席很不能理解的地方歐盟4.5億那東南亞6億加起來差不多10.5億將近11億的人口那我們中間還要補助他們的這些來台的來台旅遊的費用那我們直接看到據我所知最新的報告差不多中國大陸將近14億人口對吧\n191109\t208353\t那我們很明顯的就是說我有點不太理解以商業的角度來看或發展產業的角度來看我們很直接的去掠過我們旁邊的14億人口的市場然後我們一天到晚想去拉至少要跟我們差不多16個小時以上的飛機或者是我們還要補貼人家5000塊的顧客來去衝我們現在的人數\n214255\t231825\t我如果看了沒有說因為這份報告這份都是目前我看到的報告我們現在報告已經跟我講說我們現在只要有從台灣到大陸的飛機載客率已經恢復到如同2019年的時候的將近八成的載客率是不是真的啊\n232546\t234528\t黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人\n248345\t273962\t但是我們目前的航班跟航點其實比過去是減少滿多的這就是我等一下要提的東西不好意思部長既然您都講了因為我們現在在我現在看到的數字就是說我們現在差不多希望說我們今年能夠衝到1000萬人次不過目前來講我們差不多在750萬左右老實講現在已經是11月28號我們有很多很多的因素導致說我們現在這個回復到這個我記得沒有錯是2019年我們的人數是1184萬人次是史上最高\n278905\t297196\t可是如果說剛好也是輪流查了一下就是我們最高峰的時候光大陸的人次來到台灣就差不多418萬那如果跟現在750萬加起來剛好回到2019年那個時候當然2019年的時候那個大陸的旅客也沒有這麼多但是很明顯的就是說我們現在\n298834\t323489\t因為我們的專攻人數的不夠多所以我們現在實質上我們觀光產業的產值逆差高達7300億當然我們可以講說因為天災、因為颱風我們可以講很多理由但是我想請問署長我們是不是還要去爭取大陸旅遊客這塊市場跟委員報告一下2019年的時候入客是271\n325330\t340511\t那您剛剛那個數字是四年2015年418對但是我們在算的時候是這樣子就是我們歡迎各國來部長那個署長我只是想很單純說我們還不要爭取大陸大陸旅遊市場我們也歡迎啊也歡迎啊沒有說不歡迎啊\n340751\t356723\t那如果是這樣子的話我本席常常聽過一句話啦其實本席像是不是預設立場的人我想部長可能很能夠理解那一句話叫戰爭是政治的延續而政治是為了經濟而服務到目前為止臺灣都能夠希望能夠發展成為所謂的觀光大國\n359145\t386406\t因為觀光財基本上是成本目前我們知道除了不計垃圾跟社會成本之外觀光財應該是目前來講成本最少的財源所以說當我們的觀光業者我們要發展觀光大國但是我們很刻意的去忽略到全世界將近快五分之一的人口去忽略到這麼大一塊市場的時候那這樣其實對我們的觀光業者其實也難怪他們會叫苦連天啦\n386966\t402012\t所以這邊我會在這邊本席會建請我們的會強烈建議建請我們的觀光署甚至交通部來跟路委會來談一下有沒有可能只要恢復到在在這個疫情之前的直航點就好了\n402532\t419924\t像幾個點我就直接講像是說濟南、長沙、西安、合肥、南昌、天津、溫州等等這些都是在疫情前我們有的執行點這不是說我們現在去設新的航點而是疫情前我們就有執行點是不是能夠把它恢復我想部長跟署長認為呢\n421641\t447789\t是 這個部分我們的立場還是很希望能夠多一些觀光客來臺灣包含中國的觀光客我們也都很歡迎不過非航的部分其實有一些是商業上面的機制就是說它的需求有沒有到如果有到的時候業者就會提出申請提出申請就看國安單位跟陸委會那邊他們的判斷這個部分我們當然是希望說多一些人可以過來我們是非常歡迎的\n448190\t449577\t所以從交通部的觀點來講是樂觀其成 對吧\n452731\t480394\t好那希望說我今天因為質詢都有都有在錄影都有在各方面都回答那我是認為是說與其一天到晚觀光業者不停的向我們請命說我們需要活下去我們需要活下去不如就是說明明那邊有一塊很大的市場那我們不去談然後我們一天到晚去找這東南亞的客人我們要付他200塊美金我覺得這個思維邏輯上好像哪裡不太對勁委員有一個釐清一下就是我們全球啊每個國家都有些優惠措施\n481135\t482597\t黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人\n","txt":"好,謝謝主席。有請交通部陳部長、我們公路總、公路局的陳局長跟高工局的趙局長。高工局趙局長。\n部長、兩位局長我記得上次本席在質詢的時候因為基隆市有常態性塞車基隆市他們現在跟台北交接的國道1號上面有常態性塞車那時候交通部部長也跟盜運說要給本席說有關這個臨時入權撥用的這個study那現在我據我剛剛才看三分鐘之前現在基隆跟台北還在塞車那我想請問有關這個臨時如果遇到臨時入權\n需要解決交通問題請問這個研究報告做好了沒有?這個我上次有跟委員報告我們會來著手進行那這個部分是不是請局長來跟您回答跟委員報告因為現在的法令規定本來就有就是說塞子因為一般的客運它雖然有它行駛的路線不過就是說基本上在擁塞或是事故然後這一條路線它已經阻塞了不能就是行駛的\n他當然可以就是說行使其他的替代路線那這個部分的話法令有規定那我們也請客運業者就是提出就是說他們如果說在比如說這個高速公路有相關的一個用塞的話他比如說從國一改走國三或者是其他的一個路線這部分沒有問題我希望未來這個SOP這個能夠盡快能夠越來越及時只要業者提出申請我們這邊就會來處理\n那可能這邊也要不是只有公路局還有高工局也可能要配合一下因為哪一條高速公路出問題的時候這是對民眾對基隆也對基隆所有通行圖最關心的事情好 謝謝兩位局長再來我想請觀光署的周署長好 周署長部長跟署長我想請問一下歐盟總人口多少人\n歐盟的數字?沒關係,我跟你說差不多4.5億那請問一下東南亞各國的人口總共多少人?\n東南亞的話我們是算新南向是18國那如果南亞是6國那這個部分只有講東南亞的話呢大概就是目前的差不多6億6億左右因為印度的話就已經佔了印度不算對印度跟東南亞是分開的因為我們的觀光政策來講現在是補助東南亞的旅客來台一個人5000塊應該超過6億了對超過6億對超過6億\n我們現在看到的就是說這就是本席很不能理解的地方歐盟4.5億那東南亞6億加起來差不多10.5億將近11億的人口那我們中間還要補助他們的這些來台的來台旅遊的費用那我們直接看到據我所知最新的報告差不多中國大陸將近14億人口對吧\n那我們很明顯的就是說我有點不太理解以商業的角度來看或發展產業的角度來看我們很直接的去掠過我們旁邊的14億人口的市場然後我們一天到晚想去拉至少要跟我們差不多16個小時以上的飛機或者是我們還要補貼人家5000塊的顧客來去衝我們現在的人數\n我如果看了沒有說因為這份報告這份都是目前我看到的報告我們現在報告已經跟我講說我們現在只要有從台灣到大陸的飛機載客率已經恢復到如同2019年的時候的將近八成的載客率是不是真的啊\n黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人\n但是我們目前的航班跟航點其實比過去是減少滿多的這就是我等一下要提的東西不好意思部長既然您都講了因為我們現在在我現在看到的數字就是說我們現在差不多希望說我們今年能夠衝到1000萬人次不過目前來講我們差不多在750萬左右老實講現在已經是11月28號我們有很多很多的因素導致說我們現在這個回復到這個我記得沒有錯是2019年我們的人數是1184萬人次是史上最高\n可是如果說剛好也是輪流查了一下就是我們最高峰的時候光大陸的人次來到台灣就差不多418萬那如果跟現在750萬加起來剛好回到2019年那個時候當然2019年的時候那個大陸的旅客也沒有這麼多但是很明顯的就是說我們現在\n因為我們的專攻人數的不夠多所以我們現在實質上我們觀光產業的產值逆差高達7300億當然我們可以講說因為天災、因為颱風我們可以講很多理由但是我想請問署長我們是不是還要去爭取大陸旅遊客這塊市場跟委員報告一下2019年的時候入客是271\n那您剛剛那個數字是四年2015年418對但是我們在算的時候是這樣子就是我們歡迎各國來部長那個署長我只是想很單純說我們還不要爭取大陸大陸旅遊市場我們也歡迎啊也歡迎啊沒有說不歡迎啊\n那如果是這樣子的話我本席常常聽過一句話啦其實本席像是不是預設立場的人我想部長可能很能夠理解那一句話叫戰爭是政治的延續而政治是為了經濟而服務到目前為止臺灣都能夠希望能夠發展成為所謂的觀光大國\n因為觀光財基本上是成本目前我們知道除了不計垃圾跟社會成本之外觀光財應該是目前來講成本最少的財源所以說當我們的觀光業者我們要發展觀光大國但是我們很刻意的去忽略到全世界將近快五分之一的人口去忽略到這麼大一塊市場的時候那這樣其實對我們的觀光業者其實也難怪他們會叫苦連天啦\n所以這邊我會在這邊本席會建請我們的會強烈建議建請我們的觀光署甚至交通部來跟路委會來談一下有沒有可能只要恢復到在在這個疫情之前的直航點就好了\n像幾個點我就直接講像是說濟南、長沙、西安、合肥、南昌、天津、溫州等等這些都是在疫情前我們有的執行點這不是說我們現在去設新的航點而是疫情前我們就有執行點是不是能夠把它恢復我想部長跟署長認為呢\n是 這個部分我們的立場還是很希望能夠多一些觀光客來臺灣包含中國的觀光客我們也都很歡迎不過非航的部分其實有一些是商業上面的機制就是說它的需求有沒有到如果有到的時候業者就會提出申請提出申請就看國安單位跟陸委會那邊他們的判斷這個部分我們當然是希望說多一些人可以過來我們是非常歡迎的\n所以從交通部的觀點來講是樂觀其成 對吧\n好那希望說我今天因為質詢都有都有在錄影都有在各方面都回答那我是認為是說與其一天到晚觀光業者不停的向我們請命說我們需要活下去我們需要活下去不如就是說明明那邊有一塊很大的市場那我們不去談然後我們一天到晚去找這東南亞的客人我們要付他200塊美金我覺得這個思維邏輯上好像哪裡不太對勁委員有一個釐清一下就是我們全球啊每個國家都有些優惠措施\n黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.795 --> 00:14.261\n好,謝謝主席。有請交通部陳部長、我們公路總、公路局的陳局長跟高工局的趙局長。高工局趙局長。\n\n00:19.843 --> 00:48.302\n部長、兩位局長我記得上次本席在質詢的時候因為基隆市有常態性塞車基隆市他們現在跟台北交接的國道1號上面有常態性塞車那時候交通部部長也跟盜運說要給本席說有關這個臨時入權撥用的這個study那現在我據我剛剛才看三分鐘之前現在基隆跟台北還在塞車那我想請問有關這個臨時如果遇到臨時入權\n\n00:49.723 --> 01:14.137\n需要解決交通問題請問這個研究報告做好了沒有?這個我上次有跟委員報告我們會來著手進行那這個部分是不是請局長來跟您回答跟委員報告因為現在的法令規定本來就有就是說塞子因為一般的客運它雖然有它行駛的路線不過就是說基本上在擁塞或是事故然後這一條路線它已經阻塞了不能就是行駛的\n\n01:14.697 --> 01:37.962\n他當然可以就是說行使其他的替代路線那這個部分的話法令有規定那我們也請客運業者就是提出就是說他們如果說在比如說這個高速公路有相關的一個用塞的話他比如說從國一改走國三或者是其他的一個路線這部分沒有問題我希望未來這個SOP這個能夠盡快能夠越來越及時只要業者提出申請我們這邊就會來處理\n\n01:38.482 --> 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