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00:03:45,590\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案\n\n11\n00:04:11,195 --> 00:04:29,826\n因為農股辦現在目前還在算,因為農股辦現在才能夠做好。現在還剛開放,我希望你能把這個運費補貼啊,把它趕快算出來,讓這個漁民知道,他們輸入往日本可以有多少量,那可以多少補貼。同樣的其他的這個漁產品,其他市場的補貼你們這個我覺得也要足以增加啦。\n\n12\n00:04:31,347 --> 00:04:56,298\n另外,養殖漁業振興二期計畫,這個我去看過好多次了,我想王署長也知道,現在這個部分,我們在永安是石斑魚生產基地,目前永安LNG的海水管線供水面積只有450公頃,那你這些計畫裡面,第二期的計畫能不能優先把永安做的第二期計畫推動要點,推動地點。\n\n13\n00:04:59,183 --> 00:05:27,193\n對,我想我們之前也討論過就是永安那邊的那個海水供應系統我們會列為一個優先但是也會再跟高雄市政府這邊來討論現在最大的問題在哪裡?現在最大問題在哪裡?跟委員報告齁現在LNG廠因為往後延伸會那個要加壓的問題來跟高雄市政府來討論積極好不好趕快把第二期的這個落實到永安因為還有大概750公頃還沒有列入這個範圍嗎?\n\n14\n00:05:28,877 --> 00:05:55,376\n是那後續我們跟高雄市政委來討論來往後延伸的問題第三個問題想討論這個我們農地的生產如果以農戶來看廣義的農家跟主力農家他的所得有差距然後這個主力農家是大概目前有21.2萬戶但是這個只佔總體農家的不到三成但是他的收入高達七成五\n\n15\n00:05:56,237 --> 00:05:56,617\n農地租賃的專法或配套措施?\n\n16\n00:06:23,022 --> 00:06:38,413\n我想現在目前農業的租賃的部分最大的一個問題就是口頭約的部分那口頭約的部分最主要也是375減租的一個陰影所以我們現在建立了這個租賃的一個平台但是其實我們也檢討這些租賃平台效果並不是那麼好\n\n17\n00:06:39,293 --> 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billion應該是37那現在從美國進口值你未來可能會增加到未來一年可能會增加到多少這個我們還我們現在還在還在做精算品價會不會增加\n122062\t127265\t農業特別收入基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業\n145576\t162370\t從中國這個出口值的佔比逐年是降低目前大概是10%左右出口值也大概到5億多嘛大概5億左右5億多未來有沒有可能繼續再調降因為在中國生產出口到中國的確是有很大的風險嘛\n163211\t191886\t是,我想中國市場當然我們不會放棄但是中國市場以外的高端市場是我們積極努力的一個目標啦那以過去三年,應該四年之間我們消亡中國以外的市場其實從38億美元變成43億美元分散市場我要講的是你從中國的佔比是從20降到10對不對,這很明顯但是到日本的出口值卻沒有明顯增加去美國的出口值也沒有明顯增加\n192446\t217885\t所以你要分散東協市場那增加幅度不高啦沒有 我們是分散所以每一個國家增加的幅度加起來我剛才說的已經比過去109年38億現在變成43億了足足增加了5億但是 overall 來看啦你們整體出口市場是衰退的狀況並沒有並沒有在網上在這個大幅度的提升我希望要拿出積極的作為把這個出口市場能夠大躍進大成長\n220347\t225590\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案\n251195\t269826\t因為農股辦現在目前還在算,因為農股辦現在才能夠做好。現在還剛開放,我希望你能把這個運費補貼啊,把它趕快算出來,讓這個漁民知道,他們輸入往日本可以有多少量,那可以多少補貼。同樣的其他的這個漁產品,其他市場的補貼你們這個我覺得也要足以增加啦。\n271347\t296298\t另外,養殖漁業振興二期計畫,這個我去看過好多次了,我想王署長也知道,現在這個部分,我們在永安是石斑魚生產基地,目前永安LNG的海水管線供水面積只有450公頃,那你這些計畫裡面,第二期的計畫能不能優先把永安做的第二期計畫推動要點,推動地點。\n299183\t327193\t對,我想我們之前也討論過就是永安那邊的那個海水供應系統我們會列為一個優先但是也會再跟高雄市政府這邊來討論現在最大的問題在哪裡?現在最大問題在哪裡?跟委員報告齁現在LNG廠因為往後延伸會那個要加壓的問題來跟高雄市政府來討論積極好不好趕快把第二期的這個落實到永安因為還有大概750公頃還沒有列入這個範圍嗎?\n328877\t355376\t是 那後續我們跟高雄市政委來討論來往後延伸的問題第三個問題想討論這個我們農地的生產如果以農戶來看廣義的農家跟主力農家他的所得有差距然後這個主力農家是大概目前有21.2萬戶但是這個只佔總體農家的不到三成但是他的收入高達七成五\n356237\t356617\t農地租賃的專法或配套措施?\n383022\t398413\t我想現在目前農業的租賃的部分最大的一個問題就是口頭約的部分那口頭約的部分最主要也是375減租的一個陰影所以我們現在建立了這個租賃的一個平台但是其實我們也檢討這些租賃平台效果並不是那麼好\n399293\t412308\t所以我們看看說有沒有什麼樣的方式就是透過我們後端的政策的政策的這些補貼的時候去採實名制的部分然後讓這些...您知道問題要提出更有效解決問題的方法嘛你希望公請\n415151\t430682\t非營業部分：農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及\n444951\t453694\t二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利\n467559\t468280\t你那個農損的部分\n492543\t512177\t我們每年讓天災這個極端氣候從2021到2023啦你們救助比例大概就是每年天災農損的大概三成左右不到三成你是有一定的比例嗎我們現在目前救助是用他災損的百分之二十以上我時間到齁那你這個我這個問題再用書面回答給我好謝謝\n","txt":"求主委委員執行,等了很不耐煩,沒有關係啦,像我這個時間就是說延長兩分鐘再加一分鐘。謝謝陳沙明委員當主席是非常的公正,非常的客觀,令人敬佩。謝謝主席,有請農業部陳部長。\n第二問題請教川普上來之後我們央行楊金榮總裁對於這個川普執政之後可能會產生的國際經貿的變局他可能提出建議希望能夠加強加大對美國的採購他具體的建議是央行總裁\n那目前從美國進口到國內的農漁產品有哪些項目?大概金額是多少錢?我跟委員報告齁,就是跟美國比較大眾的採購就是我們的飼料的玉米跟大豆。那這個部分我想我們每一年或是每隔年的時候我們就會組一個團。你說是飼料跟大豆?對,飼料玉米。未來有沒有可能已經增加稻米呢?\n農業部有沒有擬定相關的因應方案,會加強對美國農漁產品的採購?對,我們對農漁產品的採購基本上是我剛才說的是以我們國內所缺的飼料玉米跟大豆。未來會增加哪些品項?大概就是玉米那個力道會加強。\n那個是他們現在特別是玉米跟飼料玉米跟飼料他每年應該是3.7百億美金喔那個3.7 billion應該是37那現在從美國進口值你未來可能會增加到未來一年可能會增加到多少這個我們還我們現在還在還在做精算品價會不會增加\n農業特別收入基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業\n從中國這個出口值的佔比逐年是降低目前大概是10%左右出口值也大概到5億多嘛大概5億左右5億多未來有沒有可能繼續再調降因為在中國生產出口到中國的確是有很大的風險嘛\n是,我想中國市場當然我們不會放棄但是中國市場以外的高端市場是我們積極努力的一個目標啦那以過去三年,應該四年之間我們消亡中國以外的市場其實從38億美元變成43億美元分散市場我要講的是你從中國的佔比是從20降到10對不對,這很明顯但是到日本的出口值卻沒有明顯增加去美國的出口值也沒有明顯增加\n所以你要分散東協市場那增加幅度不高啦沒有 我們是分散所以每一個國家增加的幅度加起來我剛才說的已經比過去109年38億現在變成43億了足足增加了5億但是 overall 來看啦你們整體出口市場是衰退的狀況並沒有並沒有在網上在這個大幅度的提升我希望要拿出積極的作為把這個出口市場能夠大躍進大成長\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案\n因為農股辦現在目前還在算,因為農股辦現在才能夠做好。現在還剛開放,我希望你能把這個運費補貼啊,把它趕快算出來,讓這個漁民知道,他們輸入往日本可以有多少量,那可以多少補貼。同樣的其他的這個漁產品,其他市場的補貼你們這個我覺得也要足以增加啦。\n另外,養殖漁業振興二期計畫,這個我去看過好多次了,我想王署長也知道,現在這個部分,我們在永安是石斑魚生產基地,目前永安LNG的海水管線供水面積只有450公頃,那你這些計畫裡面,第二期的計畫能不能優先把永安做的第二期計畫推動要點,推動地點。\n對,我想我們之前也討論過就是永安那邊的那個海水供應系統我們會列為一個優先但是也會再跟高雄市政府這邊來討論現在最大的問題在哪裡?現在最大問題在哪裡?跟委員報告齁現在LNG廠因為往後延伸會那個要加壓的問題來跟高雄市政府來討論積極好不好趕快把第二期的這個落實到永安因為還有大概750公頃還沒有列入這個範圍嗎?\n是 那後續我們跟高雄市政委來討論來往後延伸的問題第三個問題想討論這個我們農地的生產如果以農戶來看廣義的農家跟主力農家他的所得有差距然後這個主力農家是大概目前有21.2萬戶但是這個只佔總體農家的不到三成但是他的收入高達七成五\n農地租賃的專法或配套措施?\n我想現在目前農業的租賃的部分最大的一個問題就是口頭約的部分那口頭約的部分最主要也是375減租的一個陰影所以我們現在建立了這個租賃的一個平台但是其實我們也檢討這些租賃平台效果並不是那麼好\n所以我們看看說有沒有什麼樣的方式就是透過我們後端的政策的政策的這些補貼的時候去採實名制的部分然後讓這些...您知道問題要提出更有效解決問題的方法嘛你希望公請\n非營業部分：農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及農民退休基金及\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利\n你那個農損的部分\n我們每年讓天災這個極端氣候從2021到2023啦你們救助比例大概就是每年天災農損的大概三成左右不到三成你是有一定的比例嗎我們現在目前救助是用他災損的百分之二十以上我時間到齁那你這個我這個問題再用書面回答給我好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:19.700\n求主委委員執行,等了很不耐煩,沒有關係啦,像我這個時間就是說延長兩分鐘再加一分鐘。謝謝陳沙明委員當主席是非常的公正,非常的客觀,令人敬佩。謝謝主席,有請農業部陳部長。\n\n00:27.929 --> 00:48.277\n第二問題請教川普上來之後我們央行楊金榮總裁對於這個川普執政之後可能會產生的國際經貿的變局他可能提出建議希望能夠加強加大對美國的採購他具體的建議是央行總裁\n\n00:49.537 --> 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