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00:02:16,996\n金門縣政府之前提的綜合規劃裡頭要把金門打造成精緻購物免稅島是金門縣的願景這個是在民國99年那時候的縣長就說了希望達成全島免稅\n\n8\n00:02:33,273 --> 00:02:37,916\n中央政府總預算案有關財政部賦稅、臺北國稅局及所屬、高雄國稅局及所屬、南區國稅局及所屬歲出預算部分暨融資財源調度。\n\n9\n00:03:02,932 --> 00:03:09,297\n3免免徵關稅、貨物稅、營業稅、二退、煙酒稅及煙瓶健康復旧營業稅、出口限量退稅李島經濟條例第10條也有說（蓬佛金門馬祖、李島藍雲、劉球這些營業人士李島經濟條例說（與當地交付的貨物或是提供的免徵營業稅這些地方免徵營業稅這個辦法你們定資的\n\n10\n00:03:30,430 --> 00:03:35,133\n但是因為金門地區90%貨物都是從臺灣進口臺灣島來進口所以運費進口貨物課的5%因為現在這個稅制金門現在是免徵營稅但是造成競向無法扣抵這個就變成直接轉嫁到消費者身上所以事實上民眾是百姓消費者中端消費者是感受不到營業稅的優惠\n\n11\n00:03:57,003 --> 00:04:23,783\n我們算了一下離島三個縣市以金門來講如果離島三個縣實行三年數稅損是影響很少的你看每一年大概金門的部分大概一年是3億元副會主署長我也請他來溝通過所以我們是希望說把營業稅的部分變成零稅率變成零這個我跟副會主溝通過很多次稅損的部分事實上也只有影響\n\n12\n00:04:25,945 --> 00:04:47,258\n3億那如果再按照我看現在我們要通過的這個財化法事實上這個部分如果很大的部分營業稅是歸地方所以最後事實上它這個稅損是地方政府而不會影響到我們中央政府因為也只有3億元的這個部分你們那時候說影響租稅公平性不利在地的這個但是呢我們剛剛說按照這個財化法的這個規定\n\n13\n00:04:50,820 --> 00:05:12,009\n這樣子事實上對中央的稅稅損事實上如果通過這個以後是沒有影響的所以說是不是在這個法律部分如果配合這個法律的這個相關修正對因為要考慮我們離島有一些地理條件啊什麼都不一樣你看世界各國對離島都有一些特別的國土發展的這個計畫那這個部分是不是也應該適度的做一些政策的這個調整啊\n\n14\n00:05:13,550 --> 00:05:24,178\n不然90%都從臺灣進口商家沒有真正的享受到基本的商家反應這個反應很多年了都沒有真正的享受到減免這個就是免徵營業稅那個優惠這樣子也沒有辦法真正照顧到離島地區的消費者我請那個負稅署署長署長對這個議題應該我跟您討論過很多次\n\n15\n00:05:33,439 --> 00:05:33,499\n主席\n\n16\n00:05:52,916 --> 00:06:08,613\n作成我說的零稅率的話稅損就更少了現在以5%來算是3億如果只有1%的話只有5分那一年的稅損也才6千萬那就更少了對中央影響太小了我跟委員報告其實我們在考慮一個租稅政策的時候有時候不是單純\n\n17\n00:06:10,094 --> 00:06:10,474\n委員會主席委員會主席委員會主席\n\n18\n00:06:28,572 --> 00:06:54,978\n我們就一個金門島來這樣考慮了我想你還是研究一下這個法律部分因為如果以後財化法通過以後營業稅還是地方的到時候少收也是地方政府少收也許在法院上面我們得一個什麼依據不然以後地方政府如果可以自己願意讓地方政府可以地方可以多發展我們願意自己來承擔這些東西也是有可能以後就不會影響到中央營業稅中央臺北收歸臺北新竹歸收歸新竹我們金門稅損是我們自己承擔變成我們自己縣政府來承擔\n\n19\n00:06:57,778 --> 00:07:23,314\n這個部分的話就影響你們更小了。您瞭解我的意思嗎?我瞭解,但是可能要看財政所屬。我們會願意為了促進我們地方的發展,所以我們願意提供一些比較好的政策。今天現在地方政府也自己提供一些優惠的獎勵投資政策,因為離島比較遠,有些人不太願意過去投資,所以我們自己也提供一些營所所得補助什麼各方面的政策,還是沒有那麼多人去投資,但是我們盡量在政策上給離島一些\n\n20\n00:07:24,429 --> 00:07:33,932\n事實上又對中央的收入是沒有影響的你了解嗎?這個可能你回去再研究一下因為在營業稅第一影響都這麼少如果再算算只有6千萬第二個還都是影響金門縣自己的收入不是影響你們中央政府的收入你這個再想看法律上我們怎麼來做好不好?讓金門的地方有更多的發展第二個我要問請問關務署這個是金門一道免稅商店有4家\n\n21\n00:07:49,978 --> 00:07:49,998\n僅詢答．1\n\n22\n00:08:09,066 --> 00:08:34,957\n我昨天回金門去接待一些大陸觀光客他們都特別喜歡到免稅商店去購物對金門的這個整個當然很多產業還有觀光客會來嘛到免稅店去買那對金門的這個幫助也很大但是設立到免稅條件他資本要求5000萬以下那這個跟設立這個全臺灣免稅那種店一般的免稅商店資格一致這個很對這個當然這店不好做但是對於這個\n\n23\n00:08:36,438 --> 00:09:04,753\n資本的這麼高事實上對於這個金門的一般商家還是會相對起來辛苦啦所以說事實上這樣變成是財團才有能力去做我們要推的是整個金門都變成這樣一個區的所以你看看這個部分的話是不是還是需要去再檢討這個法規的相關對於遇到免稅的部分是給比較寬鬆的這個條件了是了解委員的意思就是比較寬鬆一點不要說只有財團才能做這樣的生意啦\n\n24\n00:09:06,212 --> 00:09:28,043\n可以嗎?去研究一下看這個有什麼好方法,或者在政策上面有沒有什麼可以幫助金門地方更多的,因為這是你們關務署這邊比較重要的,可以推行的,來研議看看喔。那還有,剛剛也有委員問到這個就是數位海關的那個再造計畫那個部分,6千多萬,很奇怪,你們的那個核定版的這個\n\n25\n00:09:30,465 --> 00:09:52,294\n這個計劃裡頭你們需要的錢是兩億六千五嘛齁但是你們的預算編列是兩億五千萬啦這個你們看到嗎?你們的核定版對我們是大概預估明年總共要兩億六千五百多萬但是110人只有編列兩億五是核定的寫得太高還是你們錢不夠啊還是你們不需要啊\n\n26\n00:09:52,814 --> 00:09:53,234\n市委會委員\n\n27\n00:10:18,075 --> 00:10:38,464\n其他的115或116等那邊就是還有你要注意再提問如果你要注意一點你們在113年4月依據政府採購法的三四條第一項規定徵求廠商對一些意見但沒有廠商提出來我在想說到底是完全做得太好了沒有廠商可以提出任何改正的意見或者是廠商\n\n28\n00:10:39,584 --> 00:10:53,750\n不敢表達意見這個可能要思考一下跟委員報告還是有廠商來跟我們提供這個需求的意見有啦有一家非常大型的國際然後棄屍計畫裡頭你也剛因為袁昆文也問我只是簡單的在說金門市作為邊境這個棄屍計畫你們這個神城市AI這個棄屍計畫裡頭的這個可能在金門地區也要特別注意這個部分可能也要加強到時候在我們金門地區邊境避免這個毒品進入金門的這個部分不過這個當然\n\n29\n00:11:08,797 --> 00:11:09,318\n我自己宣告我自己\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1303\t3425\t國民黨財化沒有鬧雙包,我們就是只有我們通過去的那個版本,那在這中間當然這個\n20644\t40023\t國民黨有智庫,智庫提供了很多種的不同的版本試算的給我們參考,我們都有拿來看但是我們後來決定選用的版本就是上上禮拜通過的那個版本不過我不知道你們現在還有沒有打算還是不打算提出行政院的版本是什麼,就是財政部這邊的院版\n41307\t41668\t財政委員會議\n64591\t71295\t等於是變成是立法院帶領著行政院這個前進所以到目前為止還你們也已經從我們上次從6月結議到9月現在都11月你們跟地方的溝通到現在你們都還沒有辦法拿出一個你們的板\n90175\t106831\t我們跟地方在討論的時候是先就指標就水平分配的指標部分在討論就如同委員也知道就原來全部每個縣市都同意是不可能的你們就是要也要縮小期限而且要凝聚一個最大的不是最後上市已經說只剩下幾項嗎只剩下一兩樣嗎\n110034\t128472\t有三個指標的部分還有一些爭議另外其實更重要的是後面的權重跟調整係數其實也要審慎的一個再做進一步的討論反正我們尊重這是你們的權利要放棄這個權利我們也是尊重你們反正立法是立法院應該做的事情權責今天要請教這個應該是\n134013\t136996\t金門縣政府之前提的綜合規劃裡頭要把金門打造成精緻購物免稅島是金門縣的願景這個是在民國99年那時候的縣長就說了希望達成全島免稅\n153273\t157916\t中央政府總預算案有關財政部賦稅、臺北國稅局及所屬、高雄國稅局及所屬、南區國稅局及所屬歲出預算部分暨融資財源調度。\n182932\t189297\t3免免徵關稅、貨物稅、營業稅、二退、煙酒稅及煙瓶健康復旧營業稅、出口限量退稅李島經濟條例第10條也有說（蓬佛金門馬祖、李島藍雲、劉球這些營業人士李島經濟條例說（與當地交付的貨物或是提供的免徵營業稅這些地方免徵營業稅這個辦法你們定資的\n210430\t215133\t但是因為金門地區90%貨物都是從臺灣進口臺灣島來進口所以運費進口貨物課的5%因為現在這個稅制金門現在是免徵營稅但是造成競向無法扣抵這個就變成直接轉嫁到消費者身上所以事實上民眾是百姓消費者中端消費者是感受不到營業稅的優惠\n237003\t263783\t我們算了一下離島三個縣市以金門來講如果離島三個縣實行三年數稅損是影響很少的你看每一年大概金門的部分大概一年是3億元副會主署長我也請他來溝通過所以我們是希望說把營業稅的部分變成零稅率變成零這個我跟副會主溝通過很多次稅損的部分事實上也只有影響\n265945\t287258\t3億那如果再按照我看現在我們要通過的這個財化法事實上這個部分如果很大的部分營業稅是歸地方所以最後事實上它這個稅損是地方政府而不會影響到我們中央政府因為也只有3億元的這個部分你們那時候說影響租稅公平性不利在地的這個但是呢我們剛剛說按照這個財化法的這個規定\n290820\t312009\t這樣子事實上對中央的稅稅損事實上如果通過這個以後是沒有影響的所以說是不是在這個法律部分如果配合這個法律的這個相關修正對因為要考慮我們離島有一些地理條件啊什麼都不一樣你看世界各國對離島都有一些特別的國土發展的這個計畫那這個部分是不是也應該適度的做一些政策的這個調整啊\n313550\t324178\t不然90%都從臺灣進口商家沒有真正的享受到基本的商家反應這個反應很多年了都沒有真正的享受到減免這個就是免徵營業稅那個優惠這樣子也沒有辦法真正照顧到離島地區的消費者我請那個負稅署署長署長對這個議題應該我跟您討論過很多次\n333439\t333499\t主席\n352916\t368613\t作成我說的零稅率的話稅損就更少了現在以5%來算是3億如果只有1%的話只有5分那一年的稅損也才6千萬那就更少了對中央影響太小了我跟委員報告其實我們在考慮一個租稅政策的時候有時候不是單純\n370094\t370474\t委員會主席委員會主席委員會主席\n388572\t414978\t我們就一個金門島來這樣考慮了我想你還是研究一下這個法律部分因為如果以後財化法通過以後營業稅還是地方的到時候少收也是地方政府少收也許在法院上面我們得一個什麼依據不然以後地方政府如果可以自己願意讓地方政府可以地方可以多發展我們願意自己來承擔這些東西也是有可能以後就不會影響到中央營業稅中央臺北收歸臺北新竹歸收歸新竹我們金門稅損是我們自己承擔變成我們自己縣政府來承擔\n417778\t443314\t這個部分的話就影響你們更小了。您瞭解我的意思嗎?我瞭解,但是可能要看財政所屬。我們會願意為了促進我們地方的發展,所以我們願意提供一些比較好的政策。今天現在地方政府也自己提供一些優惠的獎勵投資政策,因為離島比較遠,有些人不太願意過去投資,所以我們自己也提供一些營所所得補助什麼各方面的政策,還是沒有那麼多人去投資,但是我們盡量在政策上給離島一些\n444429\t453932\t事實上又對中央的收入是沒有影響的你了解嗎?這個可能你回去再研究一下因為在營業稅第一影響都這麼少如果再算算只有6千萬第二個還都是影響金門縣自己的收入不是影響你們中央政府的收入你這個再想看法律上我們怎麼來做好不好?讓金門的地方有更多的發展第二個我要問請問關務署這個是金門一道免稅商店有4家\n469978\t469998\t僅詢答．1\n489066\t514957\t我昨天回金門去接待一些大陸觀光客他們都特別喜歡到免稅商店去購物對金門的這個整個當然很多產業還有觀光客會來嘛到免稅店去買那對金門的這個幫助也很大但是設立到免稅條件他資本要求5000萬以下那這個跟設立這個全臺灣免稅那種店一般的免稅商店資格一致這個很對這個當然這店不好做但是對於這個\n516438\t544753\t資本的這麼高事實上對於這個金門的一般商家還是會相對起來辛苦啦所以說事實上這樣變成是財團才有能力去做我們要推的是整個金門都變成這樣一個區的所以你看看這個部分的話是不是還是需要去再檢討這個法規的相關對於遇到免稅的部分是給比較寬鬆的這個條件了是了解委員的意思就是比較寬鬆一點不要說只有財團才能做這樣的生意啦\n546212\t568043\t可以嗎?去研究一下看這個有什麼好方法,或者在政策上面有沒有什麼可以幫助金門地方更多的,因為這是你們關務署這邊比較重要的,可以推行的,來研議看看喔。那還有,剛剛也有委員問到這個就是數位海關的那個再造計畫那個部分,6千多萬,很奇怪,你們的那個核定版的這個\n570465\t592294\t這個計劃裡頭你們需要的錢是兩億六千五嘛齁但是你們的預算編列是兩億五千萬啦這個你們看到嗎?你們的核定版對我們是大概預估明年總共要兩億六千五百多萬但是110人只有編列兩億五是核定的寫得太高還是你們錢不夠啊還是你們不需要啊\n592814\t593234\t市委會委員\n618075\t638464\t其他的115或116等那邊就是還有你要注意再提問如果你要注意一點你們在113年4月依據政府採購法的三四條第一項規定徵求廠商對一些意見但沒有廠商提出來我在想說到底是完全做得太好了沒有廠商可以提出任何改正的意見或者是廠商\n639584\t653750\t不敢表達意見這個可能要思考一下跟委員報告還是有廠商來跟我們提供這個需求的意見 有啦 有一家非常大型的國際然後棄屍計畫裡頭你也剛因為袁昆文也問我只是簡單的在說金門市作為邊境這個棄屍計畫你們這個神城市AI這個棄屍計畫裡頭的這個可能在金門地區也要特別注意這個部分可能也要加強到時候在我們金門地區邊境避免這個毒品進入金門的這個部分不過這個當然\n668797\t669318\t我自己宣告我自己\n","txt":"國民黨財化沒有鬧雙包,我們就是只有我們通過去的那個版本,那在這中間當然這個\n國民黨有智庫,智庫提供了很多種的不同的版本試算的給我們參考,我們都有拿來看但是我們後來決定選用的版本就是上上禮拜通過的那個版本不過我不知道你們現在還有沒有打算還是不打算提出行政院的版本是什麼,就是財政部這邊的院版\n財政委員會議\n等於是變成是立法院帶領著行政院這個前進所以到目前為止還你們也已經從我們上次從6月結議到9月現在都11月你們跟地方的溝通到現在你們都還沒有辦法拿出一個你們的板\n我們跟地方在討論的時候是先就指標就水平分配的指標部分在討論就如同委員也知道就原來全部每個縣市都同意是不可能的你們就是要也要縮小期限而且要凝聚一個最大的不是最後上市已經說只剩下幾項嗎只剩下一兩樣嗎\n有三個指標的部分還有一些爭議另外其實更重要的是後面的權重跟調整係數其實也要審慎的一個再做進一步的討論反正我們尊重這是你們的權利要放棄這個權利我們也是尊重你們反正立法是立法院應該做的事情權責今天要請教這個應該是\n金門縣政府之前提的綜合規劃裡頭要把金門打造成精緻購物免稅島是金門縣的願景這個是在民國99年那時候的縣長就說了希望達成全島免稅\n中央政府總預算案有關財政部賦稅、臺北國稅局及所屬、高雄國稅局及所屬、南區國稅局及所屬歲出預算部分暨融資財源調度。\n3免免徵關稅、貨物稅、營業稅、二退、煙酒稅及煙瓶健康復旧營業稅、出口限量退稅李島經濟條例第10條也有說（蓬佛金門馬祖、李島藍雲、劉球這些營業人士李島經濟條例說（與當地交付的貨物或是提供的免徵營業稅這些地方免徵營業稅這個辦法你們定資的\n但是因為金門地區90%貨物都是從臺灣進口臺灣島來進口所以運費進口貨物課的5%因為現在這個稅制金門現在是免徵營稅但是造成競向無法扣抵這個就變成直接轉嫁到消費者身上所以事實上民眾是百姓消費者中端消費者是感受不到營業稅的優惠\n我們算了一下離島三個縣市以金門來講如果離島三個縣實行三年數稅損是影響很少的你看每一年大概金門的部分大概一年是3億元副會主署長我也請他來溝通過所以我們是希望說把營業稅的部分變成零稅率變成零這個我跟副會主溝通過很多次稅損的部分事實上也只有影響\n3億那如果再按照我看現在我們要通過的這個財化法事實上這個部分如果很大的部分營業稅是歸地方所以最後事實上它這個稅損是地方政府而不會影響到我們中央政府因為也只有3億元的這個部分你們那時候說影響租稅公平性不利在地的這個但是呢我們剛剛說按照這個財化法的這個規定\n這樣子事實上對中央的稅稅損事實上如果通過這個以後是沒有影響的所以說是不是在這個法律部分如果配合這個法律的這個相關修正對因為要考慮我們離島有一些地理條件啊什麼都不一樣你看世界各國對離島都有一些特別的國土發展的這個計畫那這個部分是不是也應該適度的做一些政策的這個調整啊\n不然90%都從臺灣進口商家沒有真正的享受到基本的商家反應這個反應很多年了都沒有真正的享受到減免這個就是免徵營業稅那個優惠這樣子也沒有辦法真正照顧到離島地區的消費者我請那個負稅署署長署長對這個議題應該我跟您討論過很多次\n主席\n作成我說的零稅率的話稅損就更少了現在以5%來算是3億如果只有1%的話只有5分那一年的稅損也才6千萬那就更少了對中央影響太小了我跟委員報告其實我們在考慮一個租稅政策的時候有時候不是單純\n委員會主席委員會主席委員會主席\n我們就一個金門島來這樣考慮了我想你還是研究一下這個法律部分因為如果以後財化法通過以後營業稅還是地方的到時候少收也是地方政府少收也許在法院上面我們得一個什麼依據不然以後地方政府如果可以自己願意讓地方政府可以地方可以多發展我們願意自己來承擔這些東西也是有可能以後就不會影響到中央營業稅中央臺北收歸臺北新竹歸收歸新竹我們金門稅損是我們自己承擔變成我們自己縣政府來承擔\n這個部分的話就影響你們更小了。您瞭解我的意思嗎?我瞭解,但是可能要看財政所屬。我們會願意為了促進我們地方的發展,所以我們願意提供一些比較好的政策。今天現在地方政府也自己提供一些優惠的獎勵投資政策,因為離島比較遠,有些人不太願意過去投資,所以我們自己也提供一些營所所得補助什麼各方面的政策,還是沒有那麼多人去投資,但是我們盡量在政策上給離島一些\n事實上又對中央的收入是沒有影響的你了解嗎?這個可能你回去再研究一下因為在營業稅第一影響都這麼少如果再算算只有6千萬第二個還都是影響金門縣自己的收入不是影響你們中央政府的收入你這個再想看法律上我們怎麼來做好不好?讓金門的地方有更多的發展第二個我要問請問關務署這個是金門一道免稅商店有4家\n僅詢答．1\n我昨天回金門去接待一些大陸觀光客他們都特別喜歡到免稅商店去購物對金門的這個整個當然很多產業還有觀光客會來嘛到免稅店去買那對金門的這個幫助也很大但是設立到免稅條件他資本要求5000萬以下那這個跟設立這個全臺灣免稅那種店一般的免稅商店資格一致這個很對這個當然這店不好做但是對於這個\n資本的這麼高事實上對於這個金門的一般商家還是會相對起來辛苦啦所以說事實上這樣變成是財團才有能力去做我們要推的是整個金門都變成這樣一個區的所以你看看這個部分的話是不是還是需要去再檢討這個法規的相關對於遇到免稅的部分是給比較寬鬆的這個條件了是了解委員的意思就是比較寬鬆一點不要說只有財團才能做這樣的生意啦\n可以嗎?去研究一下看這個有什麼好方法,或者在政策上面有沒有什麼可以幫助金門地方更多的,因為這是你們關務署這邊比較重要的,可以推行的,來研議看看喔。那還有,剛剛也有委員問到這個就是數位海關的那個再造計畫那個部分,6千多萬,很奇怪,你們的那個核定版的這個\n這個計劃裡頭你們需要的錢是兩億六千五嘛齁但是你們的預算編列是兩億五千萬啦這個你們看到嗎?你們的核定版對我們是大概預估明年總共要兩億六千五百多萬但是110人只有編列兩億五是核定的寫得太高還是你們錢不夠啊還是你們不需要啊\n市委會委員\n其他的115或116等那邊就是還有你要注意再提問如果你要注意一點你們在113年4月依據政府採購法的三四條第一項規定徵求廠商對一些意見但沒有廠商提出來我在想說到底是完全做得太好了沒有廠商可以提出任何改正的意見或者是廠商\n不敢表達意見這個可能要思考一下跟委員報告還是有廠商來跟我們提供這個需求的意見 有啦 有一家非常大型的國際然後棄屍計畫裡頭你也剛因為袁昆文也問我只是簡單的在說金門市作為邊境這個棄屍計畫你們這個神城市AI這個棄屍計畫裡頭的這個可能在金門地區也要特別注意這個部分可能也要加強到時候在我們金門地區邊境避免這個毒品進入金門的這個部分不過這個當然\n我自己宣告我自己\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.303 --> 00:03.425\n國民黨財化沒有鬧雙包,我們就是只有我們通過去的那個版本,那在這中間當然這個\n\n00:20.644 --> 00:40.023\n國民黨有智庫,智庫提供了很多種的不同的版本試算的給我們參考,我們都有拿來看但是我們後來決定選用的版本就是上上禮拜通過的那個版本不過我不知道你們現在還有沒有打算還是不打算提出行政院的版本是什麼,就是財政部這邊的院版\n\n00:41.307 --> 00:41.668\n財政委員會議\n\n01:04.591 --> 01:11.295\n等於是變成是立法院帶領著行政院這個前進所以到目前為止還你們也已經從我們上次從6月結議到9月現在都11月你們跟地方的溝通到現在你們都還沒有辦法拿出一個你們的板\n\n01:30.175 --> 01:46.831\n我們跟地方在討論的時候是先就指標就水平分配的指標部分在討論就如同委員也知道就原來全部每個縣市都同意是不可能的你們就是要也要縮小期限而且要凝聚一個最大的不是最後上市已經說只剩下幾項嗎只剩下一兩樣嗎\n\n01:50.034 --> 02:08.472\n有三個指標的部分還有一些爭議另外其實更重要的是後面的權重跟調整係數其實也要審慎的一個再做進一步的討論反正我們尊重這是你們的權利要放棄這個權利我們也是尊重你們反正立法是立法院應該做的事情權責今天要請教這個應該是\n\n02:14.013 --> 02:16.996\n金門縣政府之前提的綜合規劃裡頭要把金門打造成精緻購物免稅島是金門縣的願景這個是在民國99年那時候的縣長就說了希望達成全島免稅\n\n02:33.273 --> 02:37.916\n中央政府總預算案有關財政部賦稅、臺北國稅局及所屬、高雄國稅局及所屬、南區國稅局及所屬歲出預算部分暨融資財源調度。\n\n03:02.932 --> 03:09.297\n3免免徵關稅、貨物稅、營業稅、二退、煙酒稅及煙瓶健康復旧營業稅、出口限量退稅李島經濟條例第10條也有說（蓬佛金門馬祖、李島藍雲、劉球這些營業人士李島經濟條例說（與當地交付的貨物或是提供的免徵營業稅這些地方免徵營業稅這個辦法你們定資的\n\n03:30.430 --> 03:35.133\n但是因為金門地區90%貨物都是從臺灣進口臺灣島來進口所以運費進口貨物課的5%因為現在這個稅制金門現在是免徵營稅但是造成競向無法扣抵這個就變成直接轉嫁到消費者身上所以事實上民眾是百姓消費者中端消費者是感受不到營業稅的優惠\n\n03:57.003 --> 04:23.783\n我們算了一下離島三個縣市以金門來講如果離島三個縣實行三年數稅損是影響很少的你看每一年大概金門的部分大概一年是3億元副會主署長我也請他來溝通過所以我們是希望說把營業稅的部分變成零稅率變成零這個我跟副會主溝通過很多次稅損的部分事實上也只有影響\n\n04:25.945 --> 04:47.258\n3億那如果再按照我看現在我們要通過的這個財化法事實上這個部分如果很大的部分營業稅是歸地方所以最後事實上它這個稅損是地方政府而不會影響到我們中央政府因為也只有3億元的這個部分你們那時候說影響租稅公平性不利在地的這個但是呢我們剛剛說按照這個財化法的這個規定\n\n04:50.820 --> 05:12.009\n這樣子事實上對中央的稅稅損事實上如果通過這個以後是沒有影響的所以說是不是在這個法律部分如果配合這個法律的這個相關修正對因為要考慮我們離島有一些地理條件啊什麼都不一樣你看世界各國對離島都有一些特別的國土發展的這個計畫那這個部分是不是也應該適度的做一些政策的這個調整啊\n\n05:13.550 --> 05:24.178\n不然90%都從臺灣進口商家沒有真正的享受到基本的商家反應這個反應很多年了都沒有真正的享受到減免這個就是免徵營業稅那個優惠這樣子也沒有辦法真正照顧到離島地區的消費者我請那個負稅署署長署長對這個議題應該我跟您討論過很多次\n\n05:33.439 --> 05:33.499\n主席\n\n05:52.916 --> 06:08.613\n作成我說的零稅率的話稅損就更少了現在以5%來算是3億如果只有1%的話只有5分那一年的稅損也才6千萬那就更少了對中央影響太小了我跟委員報告其實我們在考慮一個租稅政策的時候有時候不是單純\n\n06:10.094 --> 06:10.474\n委員會主席委員會主席委員會主席\n\n06:28.572 --> 06:54.978\n我們就一個金門島來這樣考慮了我想你還是研究一下這個法律部分因為如果以後財化法通過以後營業稅還是地方的到時候少收也是地方政府少收也許在法院上面我們得一個什麼依據不然以後地方政府如果可以自己願意讓地方政府可以地方可以多發展我們願意自己來承擔這些東西也是有可能以後就不會影響到中央營業稅中央臺北收歸臺北新竹歸收歸新竹我們金門稅損是我們自己承擔變成我們自己縣政府來承擔\n\n06:57.778 --> 07:23.314\n這個部分的話就影響你們更小了。您瞭解我的意思嗎?我瞭解,但是可能要看財政所屬。我們會願意為了促進我們地方的發展,所以我們願意提供一些比較好的政策。今天現在地方政府也自己提供一些優惠的獎勵投資政策,因為離島比較遠,有些人不太願意過去投資,所以我們自己也提供一些營所所得補助什麼各方面的政策,還是沒有那麼多人去投資,但是我們盡量在政策上給離島一些\n\n07:24.429 --> 07:33.932\n事實上又對中央的收入是沒有影響的你了解嗎?這個可能你回去再研究一下因為在營業稅第一影響都這麼少如果再算算只有6千萬第二個還都是影響金門縣自己的收入不是影響你們中央政府的收入你這個再想看法律上我們怎麼來做好不好?讓金門的地方有更多的發展第二個我要問請問關務署這個是金門一道免稅商店有4家\n\n07:49.978 --> 07:49.998\n僅詢答．1\n\n08:09.066 --> 08:34.957\n我昨天回金門去接待一些大陸觀光客他們都特別喜歡到免稅商店去購物對金門的這個整個當然很多產業還有觀光客會來嘛到免稅店去買那對金門的這個幫助也很大但是設立到免稅條件他資本要求5000萬以下那這個跟設立這個全臺灣免稅那種店一般的免稅商店資格一致這個很對這個當然這店不好做但是對於這個\n\n08:36.438 --> 09:04.753\n資本的這麼高事實上對於這個金門的一般商家還是會相對起來辛苦啦所以說事實上這樣變成是財團才有能力去做我們要推的是整個金門都變成這樣一個區的所以你看看這個部分的話是不是還是需要去再檢討這個法規的相關對於遇到免稅的部分是給比較寬鬆的這個條件了是了解委員的意思就是比較寬鬆一點不要說只有財團才能做這樣的生意啦\n\n09:06.212 --> 09:28.043\n可以嗎?去研究一下看這個有什麼好方法,或者在政策上面有沒有什麼可以幫助金門地方更多的,因為這是你們關務署這邊比較重要的,可以推行的,來研議看看喔。那還有,剛剛也有委員問到這個就是數位海關的那個再造計畫那個部分,6千多萬,很奇怪,你們的那個核定版的這個\n\n09:30.465 --> 09:52.294\n這個計劃裡頭你們需要的錢是兩億六千五嘛齁但是你們的預算編列是兩億五千萬啦這個你們看到嗎?你們的核定版對我們是大概預估明年總共要兩億六千五百多萬但是110人只有編列兩億五是核定的寫得太高還是你們錢不夠啊還是你們不需要啊\n\n09:52.814 --> 09:53.234\n市委會委員\n\n10:18.075 --> 10:38.464\n其他的115或116等那邊就是還有你要注意再提問如果你要注意一點你們在113年4月依據政府採購法的三四條第一項規定徵求廠商對一些意見但沒有廠商提出來我在想說到底是完全做得太好了沒有廠商可以提出任何改正的意見或者是廠商\n\n10:39.584 --> 10:53.750\n不敢表達意見這個可能要思考一下跟委員報告還是有廠商來跟我們提供這個需求的意見有啦有一家非常大型的國際然後棄屍計畫裡頭你也剛因為袁昆文也問我只是簡單的在說金門市作為邊境這個棄屍計畫你們這個神城市AI這個棄屍計畫裡頭的這個可能在金門地區也要特別注意這個部分可能也要加強到時候在我們金門地區邊境避免這個毒品進入金門的這個部分不過這個當然\n\n11:08.797 --> 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有一家非常大型的國際然後棄屍計畫裡頭你也剛因為袁昆文也問我只是簡單的在說金門市作為邊境這個棄屍計畫你們這個神城市AI這個棄屍計畫裡頭的這個可能在金門地區也要特別注意這個部分可能也要加強到時候在我們金門地區邊境避免這個毒品進入金門的這個部分不過這個當然"},{"start":668.797,"end":669.318,"text":"我自己宣告我自己"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":701,"blocks":[["陳委員玉珍：（10時52分）謝謝。主席，我們先請部長，然後等一下是賦稅署跟關務署。"],["莊部長翠雲：委員好。"],["陳委員玉珍：部長，剛剛李坤城委員說國民黨的財劃法鬧雙胞，我在這裡鄭重說明一下，因為我是國民黨黨團在財委會的召集委員，國民黨財劃法沒有鬧雙胞，就只有我們通過的那個版本，在這中間，當然國民黨有智庫，智庫提供了很多不同版本的試算給我們參考，我們都有拿來看，但後來決定選用的版本就是上上禮拜通過的那個版本，不過，我不知道你們現在是不是還不打算提出行政院的版本，就是財政部這邊的院版？"],["莊部長翠雲：跟委員報告，剛剛講的財劃法修正，是一個非常重大的事情，我們認為要審慎規劃。"],["陳委員玉珍：對，但上會期我們已經說要給你們3個月研究，然後你剛剛也說沒錯，事權要改變，所以如果你們一直不提出來，之後可能就變成立法院財政委員會帶領著行政院前進，我們往前走，把蛋糕切好以後，然後其他事權要改變的部分，各部會就要趕快跟上，當然也包括內政部及其他部會的事權要跟上，劃分就要跟上嘛！等於變成是立法院帶領著行政院前進。上次我們6月決議是到9月，現在都11月了，你們跟地方溝通到現在，還是沒有辦法拿出你們的版本嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：我們跟地方討論的時候，是先就水平分配的指標部分……"],["陳委員玉珍：我知道。"],["莊部長翠雲：在討論，就如同委員也知道，原來要……"],["陳委員玉珍：要每個縣市全部都同意是不可能的，你們就是要有……"],["莊部長翠雲：也要縮小歧見，而且要凝聚最大的共識……"],["陳委員玉珍：不是，上次不是說已經只剩下幾項嗎？只剩下一、兩樣嗎？"],["莊部長翠雲：有三個指標的部分還有一些爭議。其實更重要的是後面的權重跟調整係數，也需要審慎的再做進一步的討論。"],["陳委員玉珍：沒關係啦！反正我們尊重嘛！因為這是你們的權力，要放棄這個權力，我們也尊重你們，反正立法是立法院應該做的事情、權責。","另外，我今天要請教的問題，是有關金門縣政府之前提的綜合規劃，希望把金門打造成精緻購物免稅島，這是金門縣的願景，這個在民國99年時，當時的縣長就提了，希望達成全島免稅，初期當然是市區免稅，這是短期目標，就是市區有一間一間的免稅店；中程我們希望有購物商圈，並希望中央給我們更多財稅、簽證、兩岸交流、金融等相關待遇，落實全島免稅，這在民國99年就提出來了，而且是行政院核定的綜合計畫。那時候的規劃是希望金門全島以境內關外方向推動三免二退，所謂三免是免徵關稅、貨物稅、營業稅；二退是指菸酒稅及菸品健康福利捐出境時限量退稅。離島建設條例第十條也有規定，澎湖、金門、馬祖、綠島、蘭嶼及琉球地區之營業人，於當地銷售並交付使用之貨物或於當地提供之勞務，免徵營業稅；還有這些地方免徵的辦法，由財政部定之。但是因為金門地區90%的貨物都是從臺灣島進口，除了運費，進口貨物課徵的5%營業稅因進項無法扣抵，變成直接轉嫁到消費者身上，所以事實上民眾、百姓、終端消費者是感受不到免營業稅的優惠。我們算了一下，如果離島三個縣市實行三免稅，稅損影響是很少的，以金門縣為例，大概一年是3億元，這個問題我也和賦稅署署長溝通過很多次，希望營業稅稅率變成零，其實稅損是很少的，影響只有3億元，如果再按照現在我們要通過的財劃法，事實上，營業稅很大部分是歸地方，所以最後這個稅損也是地方政府，不會影響到中央政府，而金門也只有3億元。你們那時候說會影響租稅公平性、不利在地競爭力等等，但就像我剛剛說的，按照財劃法規定，如果通過以後，事實上對中央的稅損是沒有影響的，所以是不是配合在法令上作相關修正？因為考慮到離島的一些地理條件，你看世界各國對離島都有一些特別的國土發展計畫，這個部分是不是也應該適度做一些政策的調整？不然90%都從臺灣進口，商家並沒有真正享受到優惠。這個問題金門商家反映很多年了，他們沒有辦法真正享受到免徵營業稅的優惠，這樣也就沒有辦法真正照顧到離島地區的消費者。賦稅署署長，對於這個議題，我應該跟你討論過很多次了吧？"],["宋署長秀玲：報告委員，我們也跟你特別報告過，以現在這個條例規定，金門離島地區的有效稅率，所謂有效稅率就是真正我們去除它的銷售來看，其實大概只有1%左右，簡單講，我們……"],["陳委員玉珍：這樣跟我說的零稅率相較的話，稅損就更少了，對不對？現在以5%計算是3億，如果只有1%，那只有五分之一，一年稅損也才6,000萬，那就更少了啦！對中央影響太小了。"],["宋署長秀玲：是，跟委員報告，其實我們考慮租稅政策，有時候不是單純從稅收損失的角度……"],["陳委員玉珍：稅損的金額啦！我知道。"],["宋署長秀玲：稅損當然是我們考慮的因素……"],["陳委員玉珍：很小啦！很小。"],["宋署長秀玲：對，因為也有所謂制度上的因素，譬如我在每一個環節……"],["陳委員玉珍：我知道，但是因為我們是一個島嘛！事實上，金管會也要做一個什麼金融特區等等的，所以我們認為應該就一個金門島來考慮，我想你還是研究一下法律的部分，因為如果財劃法通過，營業稅還是地方的，到時候少收也是地方政府少收，所以在法源上，希望給地方一個依據，以後地方政府如果願意讓自己的地方可以多多發展，願意自己來承擔這些東西，也是有可能啦！以後就不會影響到中央，營業稅是臺北收的歸臺北，新竹收的歸新竹，我們金門的稅損就是我們自己承擔，變成我們自己縣政府來承擔，那這個部分影響到你們就更小了，你了解我的意思嗎？"],["宋署長秀玲：我了解，但可能要看財政收支劃分法……"],["陳委員玉珍：為了促進地方發展，我們願意提供一些比較好的政策，金門縣地方政府自己也提供一些優惠的獎勵投資政策，但因為離島比較遠，有些人不大願意過去投資，所以雖然我們也有提供一些營所稅的補助等各方面的政策，但還是沒有那麼多人過去投資，所以我們希望儘量在政策上給離島一些優惠，事實上對中央的收入也沒有影響，你了解嗎？這個部分可能你回去再研究一下，因為在營業稅上，第一，影響這麼少……"],["宋署長秀玲：還是要看財政收支劃分法的修正方向。"],["陳委員玉珍：再算算也只有6,000萬，第二，影響的還都是金門縣自己的收入，不會影響到中央政府的收入，這部分你再想想在法律上要怎麼做，好不好？讓金門的地方有更多的發展。","第二個，我要問關務署，金門離島免稅商店有4家，還有免稅商店，就是大的那種免稅商店，而不是離島免稅，離島免稅是有限量的，您知道喔！"],["彭署長英偉：是。"],["陳委員玉珍：限量，什麼東西都有限額的啦！4家。當然免稅商店開起來有增加一些就業機會啦！還有旅遊，像我昨天回金門去接待一些大陸觀光客，他們都特別喜歡到免稅商店去購物，對於金門的整個……當然很多產業還有觀光客會來嘛！到免稅店去買，對金門的幫助也很大。","但是設立離島免稅商店的條件，它的資本額要求5,000萬以上，跟全臺灣設立一般的免稅商店資格一致，當然這個店不好做，但是資本額這麼高，事實上對於金門的一般商家相對起來還是辛苦啦！所以這樣變成是財團才有能力去做，我們要推的是整個金門都變成這樣一個區，所以您看看這個部分的話，是不是還需要再去檢討相關法規，對於離島免稅的部分是不是給予比較寬鬆的條件？你了解我在說什麼嗎？"],["彭署長英偉：是，了解委員的意思。"],["陳委員玉珍：就是比較寬鬆一點，不要說只有財團才能做這樣的生意啦！可以嗎？"],["彭署長英偉：好，我們……"],["陳委員玉珍：去研究一下看有沒有什麼好方法，在政策上面有沒有什麼可以幫助金門地方更多的？因為這是你們關務署這邊比較重要可以推行的。"],["彭署長英偉：好，我們研議一下。"],["陳委員玉珍：來研議看看。還有，剛剛也有委員問到數位海關的再造計畫，那個部分六千多萬，很奇怪，你們核定版的計畫裡頭，你們需要的錢是2億6,500萬嘛！但是你們的預算編列是2億5,000萬，有看到嗎？你們的核定版……"],["彭署長英偉：了解。"],["陳委員玉珍：對嘛？"],["彭署長英偉：對，我們預估明年大概是2億6……"],["陳委員玉珍：總共要兩億六千五百多萬，但是114年只有編列2億5，是核定的寫得太高，還是你們錢不夠啊？還是你們不需要？什麼原因？"],["彭署長英偉：跟委員報告，因為我們行政院的科技計畫，它是整個總數額的啦！當然各部會都有提出申請，2億5大概就是院裡面評估之後，從整個經費裡面……"],["陳委員玉珍：所以你114年到118年整個就沒辦法了？"],["彭署長英偉：明年如果我們沒有辦法編列在這裡面的話，我們會往後，其他的115或116來編這些……"],["陳委員玉珍：還有，你要注意一點，你們在113年4月依據政府採購法第三十四條第一項規定，徵求廠商一些意見，但沒有廠商提出來。我在想到底是完全做得太好了，沒有廠商可以提出任何改正的意見，或者是廠商不敢表達意見？這個可能要思考一下。"],["彭署長英偉：跟委員報告，還是有廠商來跟我們提供需求的意見……"],["陳委員玉珍：也有提供意見喔？"],["彭署長英偉：有，有一家非常大型的國際……"],["陳委員玉珍：然後緝私計畫裡頭，因為剛剛顏寬恒委員有問了，我只是簡單的再說，金門是作為邊境嘛！你們生成式AI緝私計畫裡頭，可能在金門地區也要特別注意，這個部分可能也要加強，到時候在我們金門地區邊境……"],["彭署長英偉：是，謝謝委員提醒。"],["陳委員玉珍：避免毒品進入金門的這個部分。"],["彭署長英偉：好，沒問題，應該要做。"],["陳委員玉珍：當然我知道料羅港、貨物港也是要做，來避免毒品進入金門去危害金門，好，謝謝。"],["彭署長英偉：是，謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝，陳玉珍委員的質詢結束。","接下來楊瓊瓔、楊瓊瓔、楊瓊瓔委員不在。"],["主席（陳委員玉珍）：接下來請李彥秀委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":212,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-20-9","speakers":["陳玉珍","林德福","吳秉叡","賴士葆","郭國文","賴惠員","王鴻薇","顏寬恒","李坤城","李彥秀","羅明才","鍾佳濱","黃珊珊","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","王世堅"],"page_start":133,"meetingDate":["2024-11-18"],"gazette_id":"11310101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310101_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期財政委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"審查中華民國114年度中央政府總預算案有關財政部賦稅署、臺北國稅局、高雄國稅局、北區國\n稅局及所屬、中區國稅局及所屬、南區國稅局及所屬、關務署及所屬、國有財產署及所屬歲出預\n算部分暨融資財源調度（僅詢答）","agenda_id":"11310101_00003"}}}