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00:00:37,120\n部長,我先請教,上禮拜有問到濾烈溪的問題,現在雲林、雲林以南都淪陷了,這問題嚴重,上次有講到20萬支,我看到你們在接下來有4個年度,必定大概1.2億的經費,每年大概3000萬來做處理,部長接下來要怎麼做?\n\n3\n00:00:37,662 --> 00:00:50,062\n我想第一個我會把經費再做一些調整第二個部分就是經費怎麼調整我想現在目前編列的部分大概是他是跟還有一些那個叫做那個\n\n4\n00:00:51,960 --> 00:01:19,119\n埃及聖環本身的一些經費我們可以做調整。埃及聖環本身的這些獵捕的這些動作其實可以複製在濾鏈系的部分。那相對的埃及聖環本身它有一組團隊用獵槍的方式去處理。那濾鏈系的部分現在是沒有。所以未來我們會組一個團隊。所以會朝向用空氣槍的方式。對,類似這樣。\n\n5\n00:01:20,700 --> 00:01:42,212\n有沒有一個目標啊?因為你四年每年三千萬這樣子其實第一年最重要的其實要趕快嚇阻下來如果你二十萬是要慢慢漲到三十、四十上去你越來越難處理了我現在就擔心的就是我們捕捉的數量比他、遠比他繁殖的數量你一定要比他還要來得快,不然就是他只會越來越多嘛有沒有預定這個量?\n\n6\n00:01:43,072 --> 00:01:55,797\n我先跟委員報告我們現在會用民間如果抓的話我們也給他獎勵這個獎勵金提高的話我想全民民間現在是大字500小字200嗎?再加碼多少?比照嗎?\n\n7\n00:01:59,438 --> 00:02:13,179\n我們會可能會用200,變成500或800的方式,變成500、800的方式去處理。小至500、大至800。對,用這樣的方式去處理。加碼到小至500、大至800。對,類似這樣子的概念,我們會精算。那預定可以達到多大的成效?量,量多少?\n\n8\n00:02:18,999 --> 00:02:38,570\n我們現在會協調縣市政府啦,因為過去這段時間...預定的目標咧,總要編的預算總要一個預定目標吧,20萬支希望...我們希望捕捉的那個支數可以逐年開始減少啦,對,因為現在...捕捉支數要增加啦,總體的量沒有辦法補算,對,所以我們每年捕捉的...有沒有一個預定的量?\n\n9\n00:02:40,023 --> 00:02:49,719\n預算要編出來,總要一個目標值吧?我們希望4年內可以讓它壓縮到在這個高雄、屏東、以南那不能夠往北擴\n\n10\n00:02:51,323 --> 00:02:51,363\n發言委員：\n\n11\n00:03:14,014 --> 00:03:35,756\n聽起來你好像屏東高雄以南那難道先放屏東高雄其他先抓?屏東高雄現在也在抓我一定說部長這個總體要數量要降下來我希望看到有個具體的成果比如說如果明年的目標先把10萬隻都抓下來的話那你至少控制住了一半的數量了嘛\n\n12\n00:03:36,116 --> 00:04:05,127\n對我跟委員報告齁就是第一個部分就是各縣市我們一定讓他同步然後因為上禮拜開始我們密集的討論那到時候年度的目標我想我們會後等這個規劃出來以後我們再提供給委員當參考要加快那個速度啦你後面賞越多你越難處理啦你前面如果有辦法在明年度把它控制比如說控制到10萬隻甚至10萬以下的數量的話那你至少取得一個出息率很大的一個成功你後面的控制就更好控制嘛\n\n13\n00:04:05,407 --> 00:04:28,708\n瞭解我想我們會查這個目標來做加碼然後用更專業的方式去捕捉然後用人道的方式來做處理我認為這是一個好的方法我希望加大力道然後一定要統籌啦要不然你這邊抓完那邊跑這邊抓那邊跑縣市間沒有統籌的話由部會間然後由農業部來加碼來做處理我認為是個有效我期盼明年好不好至少降一半好不好\n\n14\n00:04:29,389 --> 00:04:36,593\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案\n\n15\n00:04:59,364 --> 00:05:24,595\n因為前面黃色的大概在12月初大概陸續都會出來了啦應該影響是不大那應該現在看比較大的大概在會在1月的上旬、中旬的時候發生嘛對不對大概年就是年前的部分啦過年前開始如果量過大的話有可能是這種那時候但是就不會再做我還是希望加強做宣導跟說明好不好對我們會來強調那特別是我們在做警示的時候的疫苗廠\n\n16\n00:05:25,515 --> 00:05:44,476\n我們現在想辦法控制苗量的出貨啦。苗量出貨農民就會受。所以其實那個應該是說苗量超過一定以上告訴你你這些苗將來如果你虧損我是不服服你的。對所以我們會更積極的。前面如果在前面出的應該那些還是要去。我們針對前端的這些疫苗檔出貨的部分我想我們會更想到一個方法。\n\n17\n00:05:44,616 --> 00:05:51,239\n非營業部分：農田水利事業作業基金、農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利事業作業基金及農田水利\n\n18\n00:06:09,529 --> 00:06:11,011\n公平性公平性公平性公平性公平性公平性公平性公平性公平性公平性公平性\n\n19\n00:06:25,769 --> 00:06:42,667\n現在目前齁其實龍虎幫過去齁大部分都是銷中國大陸但是這幾年來齁其實內銷的部...國內的使用的部分也增加了最主要目的就是以前都是整隻在吃現在很多切片的部分那銷往其他國家的還有嗎?美國的部分其實也在推\n\n20\n00:06:44,606 --> 00:06:45,927\n除了石斑魚之外其實包括虱目魚包括吳郭魚包括鱸魚包括\n\n21\n00:07:10,985 --> 00:07:14,166\n我希望這幾個魚種都是很好的養殖魚種也都很好的競爭力我希望都持續的推出去了好不好\n\n22\n00:07:40,293 --> 00:08:06,902\n讓漁民有更好的收益我剛講這幾個都是很好的漁種大家認為是最好吃的養殖漁種所以我認為應該努力的推出去好不好走向世界你看那個我們到比例持續都還得到三星高雄的虱目魚我認為就是不斷的行銷不斷走出去才能達到最好的一個效果再來最後問一下過去基金其實也辦過由於秋刀魚都是石斑魚虱目魚都是高雄的五寶\n\n23\n00:08:07,822 --> 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02:49.719\n預算要編出來,總要一個目標值吧?我們希望4年內可以讓它壓縮到在這個高雄、屏東、以南那不能夠往北擴\n\n02:51.323 --> 02:51.363\n發言委員：\n\n03:14.014 --> 03:35.756\n聽起來你好像屏東高雄以南那難道先放屏東高雄其他先抓?屏東高雄現在也在抓我一定說部長這個總體要數量要降下來我希望看到有個具體的成果比如說如果明年的目標先把10萬隻都抓下來的話那你至少控制住了一半的數量了嘛\n\n03:36.116 --> 04:05.127\n對我跟委員報告齁就是第一個部分就是各縣市我們一定讓他同步然後因為上禮拜開始我們密集的討論那到時候年度的目標我想我們會後等這個規劃出來以後我們再提供給委員當參考要加快那個速度啦你後面賞越多你越難處理啦你前面如果有辦法在明年度把它控制比如說控制到10萬隻甚至10萬以下的數量的話那你至少取得一個出息率很大的一個成功你後面的控制就更好控制嘛\n\n04:05.407 --> 04:28.708\n瞭解我想我們會查這個目標來做加碼然後用更專業的方式去捕捉然後用人道的方式來做處理我認為這是一個好的方法我希望加大力道然後一定要統籌啦要不然你這邊抓完那邊跑這邊抓那邊跑縣市間沒有統籌的話由部會間然後由農業部來加碼來做處理我認為是個有效我期盼明年好不好至少降一半好不好\n\n04:29.389 --> 04:36.593\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案附屬單位預算案\n\n04:59.364 --> 05:24.595\n因為前面黃色的大概在12月初大概陸續都會出來了啦應該影響是不大那應該現在看比較大的大概在會在1月的上旬、中旬的時候發生嘛對不對大概年就是年前的部分啦過年前開始如果量過大的話有可能是這種那時候但是就不會再做我還是希望加強做宣導跟說明好不好對我們會來強調那特別是我們在做警示的時候的疫苗廠\n\n05:25.515 --> 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