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00:03:23,091\n委員好,我想我先回答,這是管局,那等一下如果相關的那個單位也可以補充來說明,那針對這種AI的技術的演進,它生成這種深偽的影片,這應該已經是趨勢了,這個沒有辦法阻擋,所以重點是…氾濫,它不是趨勢,氾濫\n\n10\n00:03:24,292 --> 00:03:25,092\n本局負責徵訊情報的掌收如果涉及國安跟社安\n\n11\n00:03:46,565 --> 00:04:06,337\n這部分我們會立刻的掌搜以後透由我們在之前跟政府相關部門成立的一個機制去做辯委、溯源、處理那經由相關的單位來做事實的澄清如果涉及到違法的話那就會\n\n12\n00:04:07,498 --> 00:04:32,330\n後由我們的警察司法機關去請這個平台業者能夠下架那所以機制是有的現在是怎麼快速的應酬因為這個數量可能會越來越多現在你們快速你們有沒有定一個時間比如說你們必須在多久時間只要有人去通報檢舉你們必須在多少時間之內要把它檢舉掉跟我們報告這個部分重點還是在我們一方面機制有了\n\n13\n00:04:32,890 --> 00:04:52,910\n另外一方面我們要有相關的一個技術的引入因為用AI速度太快所以我們在我們報告裡面有提到我們會引用最新的技術不斷的去引用最新的技術的防止那技術只有國安局有嗎光只有你們有些來不及的我們相關的警察機關他們目前也有建立這樣的能量跟機制\n\n14\n00:04:54,352 --> 00:04:54,552\n委員好跟委員報告\n\n15\n00:05:09,292 --> 00:05:10,153\n法務部調查局有見識,刑事局也有。\n\n16\n00:05:26,643 --> 00:05:50,248\n對,所以我們和刑事局其實是有一個共通的使用兩種工具然後基本上我們的同仁會在opensource裡面先去做一些應用然後再使用鑑識工具去判別那理論上我們最快可以在至少在兩個小時內我們就可以把這個鑑識的成果先去做出來兩個小時就可以鑑識成果對不對就可以初步判定它是不是真的還假的\n\n17\n00:05:51,688 --> 00:06:13,193\n其實過去有好幾個政治人物的影片,到現在都沒有見識結果,所以不要變成一個只是用政治解決。好,我想問一下數發部,前兩天發生一個事情,就是Meta亂槍打鳥,該下架的沒下架,不該下架人家正版的正牌的下架,然後最離譜的連我們證交所的粉專都被人家下架,請問為什麼?\n\n18\n00:06:14,973 --> 00:06:17,194\n發生什麼事情?這太扯了吧?對,趕快說明啊!你到下午都不知道發生什麼事?趕快說明\n\n19\n00:06:35,031 --> 00:07:03,031\n那我們不管怎樣我們就是馬上那個跟臉書聯絡然後幫那些被那個下架的那些那個財經粉讓他恢復那個上架後來據我們的了解就是說是那個內政部警政署他們在通報一批那個疑似那個詐騙網站的時候結果Facebook他的海外的執行單位因為他的溝通發生問題結果他們把那些\n\n20\n00:07:04,392 --> 00:07:07,314\n這問題是內政部警政署的問題嗎?主席給我一點時間,內政部警政署今天副局長在,是你們出包嗎?蘇巴布現在把鍋丟到你這裡\n\n21\n00:07:22,583 --> 00:07:25,486\n並不是警政署、刑事警察局這邊的問題而是臉書他們內部有個篩選機制在聯繫作業的部分他們發生這個問題他怎麼會篩到正版的呢?所以你講這個黑名單應該是我們送上去的嗎?我們送給業者,請他要趕快下架為什麼一些正版的,包括我們證交所\n\n22\n00:07:43,683 --> 00:07:43,703\n韓國瑜議員\n\n23\n00:07:57,223 --> 00:08:18,902\n是真實的這部分我們有提供個白名單給他們可是他們內部在篩選機制的時候所以我們把白名單給刪掉了他們把白名單給下架他們聯繫上可能發生了一些問題所以是Meta的問題是是他們的海外問題是他們海外那邊的問題所以我們立刻跟他們反映之後他當天晚上就把這些屬於真實的網站都把它做恢復\n\n24\n00:08:19,965 --> 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