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00:01:22,987\n罰款的部分是六千到兩萬四但是五年內如果第二次再來那直接罰最高的兩萬四那被罰兩萬四我們發覺重複比例高達39%其實這中間有個意義啦\n\n5\n00:01:26,803 --> 00:01:49,264\n他可能每天都在開啦只是不想被弄到兩次啦所以這個的部分這種不管是僥倖的程度或者你分析這個問題我是真的覺得我們交通部跟我們這個司長甚至整個監理體系你們真的要去好好思考到這個問題啦那目前這個是朝向提高罰款的方向來修嗎\n\n6\n00:01:50,385 --> 00:01:56,650\n除了提高罰款之外我們針對吊扣牌照的部分如果它是累犯的話吊扣牌照的部分我們也會提高\n\n7\n00:01:58,404 --> 00:02:22,315\n好那我們看看無照駕駛部分青少年的部分其實我們也是覺得蠻憂心的蠻憂心的那整個部分正好監察院的調查報告今年的4月11號也出來了嘛他這邊講說兒少無照駕駛警方雖然持續起跌我們副組長也上來一下這個持續起跌但仍然沒有這個有效的改善\n\n8\n00:02:23,355 --> 00:02:43,605\n確實我們警政機關是在最後一線設防但是我們前面假設可以擋的不擋住漏過去其實現有的警力他們這麼繁忙不見得能夠有效去做處理那我們請問一下副署長對青少年無照駕駛你就覺得要怎麼樣去改善他們這些人的一個行為你在執法端你有沒有什麼一個建言\n\n9\n00:02:46,192 --> 00:03:12,024\n目前我們路邊在交通稽查的時候那我們查獲到這些青少年無照駕駛如果是載學學生的話我們都會在剛剛我的報告裡面就特別提到我們會給學校希望能夠納入列管來輔導甚至於我們也希望說學校輔導他們去考駕照\n\n10\n00:03:14,858 --> 00:03:35,783\n好那也要輔導家長這個交通工具很奇怪尤其汽車就這樣被開出去我是覺得這個部分是整個社會要一起來做那我還是問一下警政署這個副署長那接下來講變造車牌啦我們看到這個數字剛剛很多委員都講囉從109年來看到113年到今年還沒到年底啦\n\n11\n00:03:36,363 --> 00:03:45,387\n大約可能會成長10倍成長10倍就是變造車牌被抓到的一個數量這個數字是滿可觀的尤其113年跟112年比的話\n\n12\n00:03:48,570 --> 00:04:13,436\n預估直接成長3倍抓到這個數量那剛剛其實林俊彥委員講的我認為是一個確實的事實那我特別統計啦我沒有做表出來從去年6月30號我們新增把超速40公里認定為危險駕駛之後直接調扣車牌6個月6個月之後呢我統計了從7月1號開始\n\n13\n00:04:15,296 --> 00:04:25,037\n到今年的二月為什麼這樣統計呢因為他有很多申訴期啊你統計到這個月他就講說還不一定還在申訴所以我們乾脆就統計到二月八個月的時間\n\n14\n00:04:26,684 --> 00:04:47,999\n因為超速40公里被抓到的有6萬5千次那其中真正吊扣真正吊扣的先不要假車牌先不談這個真正最後被吊扣大家就6萬5就吊扣6萬5啊到底發生了什麼怎麼有人超速40不用吊扣呢\n\n15\n00:04:50,080 --> 00:05:14,999\n結論是吊扣三分之一沒有吊扣平均吊扣比例是66%所以第一個問題剛剛林俊賢委員講的我也是建議你們好好思考一下啦如果修法不能執行或者抓到人之後他比較大尾他理由比較充足他含淚來他說他去接誰你們撤銷理由你們自己去研究我本來專題來報告這不是今天一個重點但是奇怪了就是這麼多人超出40%抱歉40公里\n\n16\n00:05:17,941 --> 00:05:38,553\n然後沒事的你自己看嘛6萬5只有4萬34萬3被調控就我剛講這8個月的時間那到底什麼原因呢什麼原因呢那如果說原因有這麼多人可以免那是不是考慮你們是不是法律有問題是不是法律有問題那除了變造車牌之外\n\n17\n00:05:40,302 --> 00:05:59,919\n還有其他的像我們中立前陣子抓到因為疫情都有口罩奇怪他的車也感冒了他的車牌也放口罩去遮各種招數都有那確實這個一定我們覺得非常有機率不管是他為了違法是一個治安後續大案件的一個問題\n\n18\n00:06:01,260 --> 00:06:23,173\n第二個他是想他是違規避免我們飆車這等等的這個部分部長你剛才總結一下針對這個部分你們現在什麼時候會把案子送到立法院來報告委員我們希望在一個月之內能夠送到委員會來然後希望在這個會期看可不可以審議的可以通過那你這麼慢那我們要自己先審啦還是要等你啊\n\n19\n00:06:23,913 --> 00:06:47,071\n我們會加速我們會加速快一點啊是是我們整體的版本已經都擬定好了然後這兩天會送到行政院那很快的速度會送到大院那部長或者署長或者法務部法務部不用上來了你們覺得說你們現在要立一個法我覺得你們要稍微細節一點啦剛剛好多委員都在談這個問題到底法規是不是\n\n20\n00:06:47,931 --> 00:07:12,986\n讓大家很容易違法呢是不是40公里是危險駕駛那是不是要修成50公里呢還是怎麼回事我們事實上常常在走突然平均的時速假設60公里突然他寫一個公區公區30說真的你根本也沒有辦法所以這個的部分我倒是覺得警政署或者交通部也不知道是誰你們去研究一下有沒有那種變造車牌是變造成自己號碼的\n\n21\n00:07:16,098 --> 00:07:39,918\n你聽懂我意思嗎我變造了半天其實這個東西就不是犯案啦我變造了半天就是過去的行為我變造車牌偽造車牌偽造成我自己行造的號碼這種其實我知道是不少喔他其實他只是想要開車而已啦他也沒有犯案那這個東西我覺得你們要值得去研究最後啊這個署長周署長其實大家請錄裂喔謝謝那個\n\n22\n00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:53,416\n我們有提到就是發展觀光條例70之二條啦那這個的部分我是給你建議一下第一個\n\n23\n00:07:54,912 --> 00:08:20,693\n我們現在想第一個問題我們給他10年的時間不管是教師會館、香客大樓甚至救國團的新年活動中心等等的他什麼事都沒做現在又要來跟我們要幾年如果是這樣我也覺得怪怪的如果是這樣可是我要再真的做一個報告就是你們總共列館的這些零零總總包括香客大樓等等的118家\n\n24\n00:08:23,018 --> 00:08:38,456\n一百一十八家因為現在數字沒有出來大家會想說好像三五千家跟旅館業影響的幅度大概多大一百一十八家那現在是不是都沒處理處理完畢的六十三間\n\n25\n00:08:39,798 --> 00:08:41,059\n委員黃健豪等17人、黃健豪等17人、黃健豪等17人、黃健豪等17人、\n\n26\n00:09:02,979 --> 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那也要輔導家長這個交通工具很奇怪尤其汽車就這樣被開出去我是覺得這個部分是整個社會要一起來做那我還是問一下警政署這個副署長那接下來講變造車牌啦我們看到這個數字剛剛很多委員都講囉從109年來看到113年到今年還沒到年底啦\n216363\t225387\t大約可能會成長10倍成長10倍就是變造車牌被抓到的一個數量這個數字是滿可觀的尤其113年跟112年比的話\n228570\t253436\t預估直接成長3倍抓到這個數量那剛剛其實林俊彥委員講的我認為是一個確實的事實那我特別統計啦我沒有做表出來從去年6月30號我們新增把超速40公里認定為危險駕駛之後直接調扣車牌6個月6個月之後呢我統計了從7月1號開始\n255296\t265037\t到今年的二月為什麼這樣統計呢因為他有很多申訴期啊你統計到這個月他就講說還不一定還在申訴所以我們乾脆就統計到二月八個月的時間\n266684\t287999\t因為超速40公里被抓到的有6萬5千次那其中真正吊扣真正吊扣的先不要假車牌先不談這個真正最後被吊扣大家就6萬5就吊扣6萬5啊到底發生了什麼怎麼有人超速40不用吊扣呢\n290080\t314999\t結論是吊扣三分之一沒有吊扣平均吊扣比例是66%所以第一個問題剛剛林俊賢委員講的我也是建議你們好好思考一下啦如果修法不能執行或者抓到人之後他比較大尾他理由比較充足他含淚來他說他去接誰你們撤銷理由你們自己去研究我本來專題來報告這不是今天一個重點但是奇怪了就是這麼多人超出40%抱歉40公里\n317941\t338553\t然後沒事的你自己看嘛6萬5只有4萬34萬3被調控就我剛講這8個月的時間那到底什麼原因呢什麼原因呢那如果說原因有這麼多人可以免那是不是考慮你們是不是法律有問題是不是法律有問題那除了變造車牌之外\n340302\t359919\t還有其他的像我們中立前陣子抓到因為疫情都有口罩奇怪他的車也感冒了他的車牌也放口罩去遮各種招數都有那確實這個一定我們覺得非常有機率不管是他為了違法是一個治安後續大案件的一個問題\n361260\t383173\t第二個他是想他是違規避免我們飆車這等等的這個部分部長你剛才總結一下針對這個部分你們現在什麼時候會把案子送到立法院來報告委員我們希望在一個月之內能夠送到委員會來然後希望在這個會期看可不可以審議的可以通過那你這麼慢那我們要自己先審啦還是要等你啊\n383913\t407071\t我們會加速我們會加速快一點啊是是我們整體的版本已經都擬定好了然後這兩天會送到行政院那很快的速度會送到大院那部長或者署長或者法務部法務部不用上來了你們覺得說你們現在要立一個法我覺得你們要稍微細節一點啦剛剛好多委員都在談這個問題到底法規是不是\n407931\t432986\t讓大家很容易違法呢是不是40公里是危險駕駛那是不是要修成50公里呢還是怎麼回事我們事實上常常在走突然平均的時速假設60公里突然他寫一個公區公區30說真的你根本也沒有辦法所以這個的部分我倒是覺得警政署或者交通部也不知道是誰你們去研究一下有沒有那種變造車牌是變造成自己號碼的\n436098\t459918\t你聽懂我意思嗎我變造了半天其實這個東西就不是犯案啦我變造了半天就是過去的行為我變造車牌偽造車牌偽造成我自己行造的號碼這種其實我知道是不少喔他其實他只是想要開車而已啦他也沒有犯案那這個東西我覺得你們要值得去研究最後啊這個署長周署長其實大家請錄裂喔謝謝那個\n465000\t473416\t我們有提到就是發展觀光條例70之二條啦那這個的部分我是給你建議一下第一個\n474912\t500693\t我們現在想第一個問題我們給他10年的時間不管是教師會館、香客大樓甚至救國團的新年活動中心等等的他什麼事都沒做現在又要來跟我們要幾年如果是這樣我也覺得怪怪的如果是這樣可是我要再真的做一個報告就是你們總共列館的這些零零總總包括香客大樓等等的118家\n503018\t518456\t一百一十八家因為現在數字沒有出來大家會想說好像三五千家跟旅館業影響的幅度大概多大一百一十八家那現在是不是都沒處理處理完畢的六十三間\n519798\t521059\t委員黃健豪等17人、 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這個首先針對今天幾個我們委員修法的第一個提案\n那把我的看法提出來首先是無照駕駛因為10月份一個15歲的算青少年然後說偷來車開出去然後就撞死了三條人命那事實上沒有駕照尤其青少年孩子們\n他們不管是騎機車、衝出去或者開車不光是對所有的用路人非常危險對自己的生命我覺得也非常輕忽我看你們報告有特別來寫每一天無照駕駛每一年被抓到的案件大概都30萬上下今年1到10月大概22.7萬所以這個數字是蠻多的其中一個再犯比率因為你們現在的規定\n罰款的部分是六千到兩萬四但是五年內如果第二次再來那直接罰最高的兩萬四那被罰兩萬四我們發覺重複比例高達39%其實這中間有個意義啦\n他可能每天都在開啦只是不想被弄到兩次啦所以這個的部分這種不管是僥倖的程度或者你分析這個問題我是真的覺得我們交通部跟我們這個司長甚至整個監理體系你們真的要去好好思考到這個問題啦那目前這個是朝向提高罰款的方向來修嗎\n除了提高罰款之外我們針對吊扣牌照的部分如果它是累犯的話吊扣牌照的部分我們也會提高\n好 那我們看看無照駕駛部分青少年的部分其實我們也是覺得蠻憂心的 蠻憂心的那整個部分正好監察院的調查報告今年的4月11號也出來了嘛他這邊講說兒少無照駕駛警方雖然持續起跌我們副組長也上來一下這個持續起跌但仍然沒有這個有效的改善\n確實我們警政機關是在最後一線設防但是我們前面假設可以擋的不擋住漏過去其實現有的警力他們這麼繁忙不見得能夠有效去做處理那我們請問一下副署長對青少年無照駕駛你就覺得要怎麼樣去改善他們這些人的一個行為你在執法端你有沒有什麼一個建言\n目前我們路邊在交通稽查的時候那我們查獲到這些青少年無照駕駛如果是載學學生的話我們都會在剛剛我的報告裡面就特別提到我們會給學校希望能夠納入列管來輔導甚至於我們也希望說學校輔導他們去考駕照\n好 那也要輔導家長這個交通工具很奇怪尤其汽車就這樣被開出去我是覺得這個部分是整個社會要一起來做那我還是問一下警政署這個副署長那接下來講變造車牌啦我們看到這個數字剛剛很多委員都講囉從109年來看到113年到今年還沒到年底啦\n大約可能會成長10倍成長10倍就是變造車牌被抓到的一個數量這個數字是滿可觀的尤其113年跟112年比的話\n預估直接成長3倍抓到這個數量那剛剛其實林俊彥委員講的我認為是一個確實的事實那我特別統計啦我沒有做表出來從去年6月30號我們新增把超速40公里認定為危險駕駛之後直接調扣車牌6個月6個月之後呢我統計了從7月1號開始\n到今年的二月為什麼這樣統計呢因為他有很多申訴期啊你統計到這個月他就講說還不一定還在申訴所以我們乾脆就統計到二月八個月的時間\n因為超速40公里被抓到的有6萬5千次那其中真正吊扣真正吊扣的先不要假車牌先不談這個真正最後被吊扣大家就6萬5就吊扣6萬5啊到底發生了什麼怎麼有人超速40不用吊扣呢\n結論是吊扣三分之一沒有吊扣平均吊扣比例是66%所以第一個問題剛剛林俊賢委員講的我也是建議你們好好思考一下啦如果修法不能執行或者抓到人之後他比較大尾他理由比較充足他含淚來他說他去接誰你們撤銷理由你們自己去研究我本來專題來報告這不是今天一個重點但是奇怪了就是這麼多人超出40%抱歉40公里\n然後沒事的你自己看嘛6萬5只有4萬34萬3被調控就我剛講這8個月的時間那到底什麼原因呢什麼原因呢那如果說原因有這麼多人可以免那是不是考慮你們是不是法律有問題是不是法律有問題那除了變造車牌之外\n還有其他的像我們中立前陣子抓到因為疫情都有口罩奇怪他的車也感冒了他的車牌也放口罩去遮各種招數都有那確實這個一定我們覺得非常有機率不管是他為了違法是一個治安後續大案件的一個問題\n第二個他是想他是違規避免我們飆車這等等的這個部分部長你剛才總結一下針對這個部分你們現在什麼時候會把案子送到立法院來報告委員我們希望在一個月之內能夠送到委員會來然後希望在這個會期看可不可以審議的可以通過那你這麼慢那我們要自己先審啦還是要等你啊\n我們會加速我們會加速快一點啊是是我們整體的版本已經都擬定好了然後這兩天會送到行政院那很快的速度會送到大院那部長或者署長或者法務部法務部不用上來了你們覺得說你們現在要立一個法我覺得你們要稍微細節一點啦剛剛好多委員都在談這個問題到底法規是不是\n讓大家很容易違法呢是不是40公里是危險駕駛那是不是要修成50公里呢還是怎麼回事我們事實上常常在走突然平均的時速假設60公里突然他寫一個公區公區30說真的你根本也沒有辦法所以這個的部分我倒是覺得警政署或者交通部也不知道是誰你們去研究一下有沒有那種變造車牌是變造成自己號碼的\n你聽懂我意思嗎我變造了半天其實這個東西就不是犯案啦我變造了半天就是過去的行為我變造車牌偽造車牌偽造成我自己行造的號碼這種其實我知道是不少喔他其實他只是想要開車而已啦他也沒有犯案那這個東西我覺得你們要值得去研究最後啊這個署長周署長其實大家請錄裂喔謝謝那個\n我們有提到就是發展觀光條例70之二條啦那這個的部分我是給你建議一下第一個\n我們現在想第一個問題我們給他10年的時間不管是教師會館、香客大樓甚至救國團的新年活動中心等等的他什麼事都沒做現在又要來跟我們要幾年如果是這樣我也覺得怪怪的如果是這樣可是我要再真的做一個報告就是你們總共列館的這些零零總總包括香客大樓等等的118家\n一百一十八家因為現在數字沒有出來大家會想說好像三五千家跟旅館業影響的幅度大概多大一百一十八家那現在是不是都沒處理處理完畢的六十三間\n委員黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、\n轉型呂素月的有9家然後依照這個規費收規費啦我不不營利了齁包括景觀會館等等的還要轉做其他用途的好吧那我們就餐飲啦或者會議場址總共已經處理處理完畢63家齁大概53%所以這10年不是沒有成果我現在講很多人努力在想要轉型上代處理的55家齁那我們來看一下\n因為大家都講說不要這個都救國團可是因為我覺得這種說法有點不公平啦因為數字怎麼說呢118家救國團也12家啦你就算總數他也10%百分之十啦那有更多的地方地方很多的香客大樓教師會館甚至娛樂勞工娛樂中心他還需要時間處理所以我要在這裡也要拜託觀光署跟部長\n他還有有意繼續要經營那在有很多案他已經在申請中了但因為疫情的關係說真的不是我們用疫情所有的工程因為延期軟硬體全部都延期那他們現在也提出來因為疫情兩到三年這個時間讓他們有點延誤那這個正在申請中的又有33家而且按照觀光署給我們的回報\n這33家呢現在已經在申請中間的階段甚至要收尾了預計在明年到期日之前大概有12家可以申請到那後面持續要申請的有21家所以我在這裡是不是建議說這個審到這個法條的時候是不是能夠給他們一些彈性我們並沒有要改變你法律的本質呂樹葉本身就要合法但是時間他有些剛剛我講了已經有拼過的\n還在努力中的再給他一些時間我相信這是我們提的這個部分部長你看你怎麼說報告委員還在努力中的等一下我跟署長來討論一下看什麼樣的機制可以讓他能夠趕快可以趕快完成他所努力的方向那這個時間的部分我們也盡量討論一下看有沒有可能給他一些彈性好謝謝委員好謝謝盧明哲、張偉的質詢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.895 --> 00:08.677\n好謝謝主席有請交通部陳部長好我們請交通部陳部長好這個首先針對今天幾個我們委員修法的第一個提案\n\n00:22.079 --> 00:39.973\n那把我的看法提出來首先是無照駕駛因為10月份一個15歲的算青少年然後說偷來車開出去然後就撞死了三條人命那事實上沒有駕照尤其青少年孩子們\n\n00:40.794 --> 01:09.423\n他們不管是騎機車、衝出去或者開車不光是對所有的用路人非常危險對自己的生命我覺得也非常輕忽我看你們報告有特別來寫每一天無照駕駛每一年被抓到的案件大概都30萬上下今年1到10月大概22.7萬所以這個數字是蠻多的其中一個再犯比率因為你們現在的規定\n\n01:10.943 --> 01:22.987\n罰款的部分是六千到兩萬四但是五年內如果第二次再來那直接罰最高的兩萬四那被罰兩萬四我們發覺重複比例高達39%其實這中間有個意義啦\n\n01:26.803 --> 01:49.264\n他可能每天都在開啦只是不想被弄到兩次啦所以這個的部分這種不管是僥倖的程度或者你分析這個問題我是真的覺得我們交通部跟我們這個司長甚至整個監理體系你們真的要去好好思考到這個問題啦那目前這個是朝向提高罰款的方向來修嗎\n\n01:50.385 --> 01:56.650\n除了提高罰款之外我們針對吊扣牌照的部分如果它是累犯的話吊扣牌照的部分我們也會提高\n\n01:58.404 --> 02:22.315\n好那我們看看無照駕駛部分青少年的部分其實我們也是覺得蠻憂心的蠻憂心的那整個部分正好監察院的調查報告今年的4月11號也出來了嘛他這邊講說兒少無照駕駛警方雖然持續起跌我們副組長也上來一下這個持續起跌但仍然沒有這個有效的改善\n\n02:23.355 --> 02:43.605\n確實我們警政機關是在最後一線設防但是我們前面假設可以擋的不擋住漏過去其實現有的警力他們這麼繁忙不見得能夠有效去做處理那我們請問一下副署長對青少年無照駕駛你就覺得要怎麼樣去改善他們這些人的一個行為你在執法端你有沒有什麼一個建言\n\n02:46.192 --> 03:12.024\n目前我們路邊在交通稽查的時候那我們查獲到這些青少年無照駕駛如果是載學學生的話我們都會在剛剛我的報告裡面就特別提到我們會給學校希望能夠納入列管來輔導甚至於我們也希望說學校輔導他們去考駕照\n\n03:14.858 --> 03:35.783\n好那也要輔導家長這個交通工具很奇怪尤其汽車就這樣被開出去我是覺得這個部分是整個社會要一起來做那我還是問一下警政署這個副署長那接下來講變造車牌啦我們看到這個數字剛剛很多委員都講囉從109年來看到113年到今年還沒到年底啦\n\n03:36.363 --> 03:45.387\n大約可能會成長10倍成長10倍就是變造車牌被抓到的一個數量這個數字是滿可觀的尤其113年跟112年比的話\n\n03:48.570 --> 04:13.436\n預估直接成長3倍抓到這個數量那剛剛其實林俊彥委員講的我認為是一個確實的事實那我特別統計啦我沒有做表出來從去年6月30號我們新增把超速40公里認定為危險駕駛之後直接調扣車牌6個月6個月之後呢我統計了從7月1號開始\n\n04:15.296 --> 04:25.037\n到今年的二月為什麼這樣統計呢因為他有很多申訴期啊你統計到這個月他就講說還不一定還在申訴所以我們乾脆就統計到二月八個月的時間\n\n04:26.684 --> 04:47.999\n因為超速40公里被抓到的有6萬5千次那其中真正吊扣真正吊扣的先不要假車牌先不談這個真正最後被吊扣大家就6萬5就吊扣6萬5啊到底發生了什麼怎麼有人超速40不用吊扣呢\n\n04:50.080 --> 05:14.999\n結論是吊扣三分之一沒有吊扣平均吊扣比例是66%所以第一個問題剛剛林俊賢委員講的我也是建議你們好好思考一下啦如果修法不能執行或者抓到人之後他比較大尾他理由比較充足他含淚來他說他去接誰你們撤銷理由你們自己去研究我本來專題來報告這不是今天一個重點但是奇怪了就是這麼多人超出40%抱歉40公里\n\n05:17.941 --> 05:38.553\n然後沒事的你自己看嘛6萬5只有4萬34萬3被調控就我剛講這8個月的時間那到底什麼原因呢什麼原因呢那如果說原因有這麼多人可以免那是不是考慮你們是不是法律有問題是不是法律有問題那除了變造車牌之外\n\n05:40.302 --> 05:59.919\n還有其他的像我們中立前陣子抓到因為疫情都有口罩奇怪他的車也感冒了他的車牌也放口罩去遮各種招數都有那確實這個一定我們覺得非常有機率不管是他為了違法是一個治安後續大案件的一個問題\n\n06:01.260 --> 06:23.173\n第二個他是想他是違規避免我們飆車這等等的這個部分部長你剛才總結一下針對這個部分你們現在什麼時候會把案子送到立法院來報告委員我們希望在一個月之內能夠送到委員會來然後希望在這個會期看可不可以審議的可以通過那你這麼慢那我們要自己先審啦還是要等你啊\n\n06:23.913 --> 06:47.071\n我們會加速我們會加速快一點啊是是我們整體的版本已經都擬定好了然後這兩天會送到行政院那很快的速度會送到大院那部長或者署長或者法務部法務部不用上來了你們覺得說你們現在要立一個法我覺得你們要稍微細節一點啦剛剛好多委員都在談這個問題到底法規是不是\n\n06:47.931 --> 07:12.986\n讓大家很容易違法呢是不是40公里是危險駕駛那是不是要修成50公里呢還是怎麼回事我們事實上常常在走突然平均的時速假設60公里突然他寫一個公區公區30說真的你根本也沒有辦法所以這個的部分我倒是覺得警政署或者交通部也不知道是誰你們去研究一下有沒有那種變造車牌是變造成自己號碼的\n\n07:16.098 --> 07:39.918\n你聽懂我意思嗎我變造了半天其實這個東西就不是犯案啦我變造了半天就是過去的行為我變造車牌偽造車牌偽造成我自己行造的號碼這種其實我知道是不少喔他其實他只是想要開車而已啦他也沒有犯案那這個東西我覺得你們要值得去研究最後啊這個署長周署長其實大家請錄裂喔謝謝那個\n\n07:45.000 --> 07:53.416\n我們有提到就是發展觀光條例70之二條啦那這個的部分我是給你建議一下第一個\n\n07:54.912 --> 08:20.693\n我們現在想第一個問題我們給他10年的時間不管是教師會館、香客大樓甚至救國團的新年活動中心等等的他什麼事都沒做現在又要來跟我們要幾年如果是這樣我也覺得怪怪的如果是這樣可是我要再真的做一個報告就是你們總共列館的這些零零總總包括香客大樓等等的118家\n\n08:23.018 --> 08:38.456\n一百一十八家因為現在數字沒有出來大家會想說好像三五千家跟旅館業影響的幅度大概多大一百一十八家那現在是不是都沒處理處理完畢的六十三間\n\n08:39.798 --> 08:41.059\n委員黃健豪等17人、黃健豪等17人、黃健豪等17人、黃健豪等17人、\n\n09:02.979 --> 09:29.503\n轉型呂素月的有9家然後依照這個規費收規費啦我不不營利了齁包括景觀會館等等的還要轉做其他用途的好吧那我們就餐飲啦或者會議場址總共已經處理處理完畢63家齁大概53%所以這10年不是沒有成果我現在講很多人努力在想要轉型上代處理的55家齁那我們來看一下\n\n09:30.967 --> 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那也要輔導家長這個交通工具很奇怪尤其汽車就這樣被開出去我是覺得這個部分是整個社會要一起來做那我還是問一下警政署這個副署長那接下來講變造車牌啦我們看到這個數字剛剛很多委員都講囉從109年來看到113年到今年還沒到年底啦"},{"start":216.363,"end":225.387,"text":"大約可能會成長10倍成長10倍就是變造車牌被抓到的一個數量這個數字是滿可觀的尤其113年跟112年比的話"},{"start":228.57,"end":253.436,"text":"預估直接成長3倍抓到這個數量那剛剛其實林俊彥委員講的我認為是一個確實的事實那我特別統計啦我沒有做表出來從去年6月30號我們新增把超速40公里認定為危險駕駛之後直接調扣車牌6個月6個月之後呢我統計了從7月1號開始"},{"start":255.296,"end":265.037,"text":"到今年的二月為什麼這樣統計呢因為他有很多申訴期啊你統計到這個月他就講說還不一定還在申訴所以我們乾脆就統計到二月八個月的時間"},{"start":266.684,"end":287.999,"text":"因為超速40公里被抓到的有6萬5千次那其中真正吊扣真正吊扣的先不要假車牌先不談這個真正最後被吊扣大家就6萬5就吊扣6萬5啊到底發生了什麼怎麼有人超速40不用吊扣呢"},{"start":290.08,"end":314.999,"text":"結論是吊扣三分之一沒有吊扣平均吊扣比例是66%所以第一個問題剛剛林俊賢委員講的我也是建議你們好好思考一下啦如果修法不能執行或者抓到人之後他比較大尾他理由比較充足他含淚來他說他去接誰你們撤銷理由你們自己去研究我本來專題來報告這不是今天一個重點但是奇怪了就是這麼多人超出40%抱歉40公里"},{"start":317.941,"end":338.553,"text":"然後沒事的你自己看嘛6萬5只有4萬34萬3被調控就我剛講這8個月的時間那到底什麼原因呢什麼原因呢那如果說原因有這麼多人可以免那是不是考慮你們是不是法律有問題是不是法律有問題那除了變造車牌之外"},{"start":340.302,"end":359.919,"text":"還有其他的像我們中立前陣子抓到因為疫情都有口罩奇怪他的車也感冒了他的車牌也放口罩去遮各種招數都有那確實這個一定我們覺得非常有機率不管是他為了違法是一個治安後續大案件的一個問題"},{"start":361.26,"end":383.173,"text":"第二個他是想他是違規避免我們飆車這等等的這個部分部長你剛才總結一下針對這個部分你們現在什麼時候會把案子送到立法院來報告委員我們希望在一個月之內能夠送到委員會來然後希望在這個會期看可不可以審議的可以通過那你這麼慢那我們要自己先審啦還是要等你啊"},{"start":383.913,"end":407.071,"text":"我們會加速我們會加速快一點啊是是我們整體的版本已經都擬定好了然後這兩天會送到行政院那很快的速度會送到大院那部長或者署長或者法務部法務部不用上來了你們覺得說你們現在要立一個法我覺得你們要稍微細節一點啦剛剛好多委員都在談這個問題到底法規是不是"},{"start":407.931,"end":432.986,"text":"讓大家很容易違法呢是不是40公里是危險駕駛那是不是要修成50公里呢還是怎麼回事我們事實上常常在走突然平均的時速假設60公里突然他寫一個公區公區30說真的你根本也沒有辦法所以這個的部分我倒是覺得警政署或者交通部也不知道是誰你們去研究一下有沒有那種變造車牌是變造成自己號碼的"},{"start":436.098,"end":459.918,"text":"你聽懂我意思嗎我變造了半天其實這個東西就不是犯案啦我變造了半天就是過去的行為我變造車牌偽造車牌偽造成我自己行造的號碼這種其實我知道是不少喔他其實他只是想要開車而已啦他也沒有犯案那這個東西我覺得你們要值得去研究最後啊這個署長周署長其實大家請錄裂喔謝謝那個"},{"start":465,"end":473.416,"text":"我們有提到就是發展觀光條例70之二條啦那這個的部分我是給你建議一下第一個"},{"start":474.912,"end":500.693,"text":"我們現在想第一個問題我們給他10年的時間不管是教師會館、香客大樓甚至救國團的新年活動中心等等的他什麼事都沒做現在又要來跟我們要幾年如果是這樣我也覺得怪怪的如果是這樣可是我要再真的做一個報告就是你們總共列館的這些零零總總包括香客大樓等等的118家"},{"start":503.018,"end":518.456,"text":"一百一十八家因為現在數字沒有出來大家會想說好像三五千家跟旅館業影響的幅度大概多大一百一十八家那現在是不是都沒處理處理完畢的六十三間"},{"start":519.798,"end":521.059,"text":"委員黃健豪等17人、 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Saidhai Tahovecahe 等20人擬具「發展觀光條\n例第五十五條、第五十五條之一及第五十五條之三條文修正草案」案及(七)委員游顥等38人擬具\n「發展觀光條例第七十條之二條文修正草案」案","agenda_id":"11310302_00002"}}}