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00:02:07,794\n所以你看到你知道是地方轉存上來58%所以是不是要給他們有監督為了58%的這個資金放到農業金庫不會被你們乾坤打挪移放到哪裡去我都不知道他們是應該有可以監督的權益他們權益不能被抹殺掉\n\n7\n00:02:18,943 --> 00:02:37,250\n所以農業金庫它負擔的比較高的利率是給地方所以農業金庫它本身是是所謂的農會的信用部的上級的一個單位所以它負責一些相關的信用部的一個監督的部分所以他們一樣有上繳這些錢、存入這些錢58%所以部長不要忽略了他們的權利\n\n8\n00:02:40,711 --> 00:03:00,883\n他們只是要有效的有角色的來監督你農業金庫的運作有沒有公平公開透明而且不會把那錢萬用出去一個很重要的就是農業金庫本身的經營管理團隊的好壞那是一個重要的部長你願不願意來承諾說你要做一個修正對這些58%的農業會才是公平的我們現在並沒有考慮去修正58%沒有權利提讀懂的話那你認為公平嗎我想\n\n9\n00:03:10,468 --> 00:03:32,260\n讀懂的部分我農業部本身來推薦但是農業部在推薦的時候也會徵求各地方的意見所以相對的有沒有好處?我們也有所以在裡面有兩席就是農業會的部分所以我們也會所以就讓他們提嘛既然有兩席給他們就讓他們提嘛那不是說告訴你我要提這兩席就是這兩席不是這個態度啦所以部長我還有我的問題要問請你\n\n10\n00:03:35,983 --> 00:03:36,223\n發言委員：\n\n11\n00:03:51,920 --> 00:03:54,661\n我們都需要要穩定所以要被監督要被監督才會正常的運作好不好?\n\n12\n00:04:10,734 --> 00:04:29,322\n我們農業部有38%,可以加起來變42%,所以你不要說會災難,你要有誠意的、有態度的、一個要有魄力的,讓我們的讀懂是有專業性跟代表性的,好不好?你回去研議,再來跟本席報告,好不好?\n\n13\n00:04:30,242 --> 00:04:32,864\n大陸方面就用檢疫所害的生物跟更嚴苛的審查程序卡關了我國的鳳梨跟釋迦還有石斑魚出口到大陸所以在今年9月\n\n14\n00:04:50,435 --> 00:04:53,377\n大陸的這個商務部啊又取消了臺灣34項的農漁產品這關稅的減免這就是讓我們農漁民的權益一再的被犧牲那現在的2023年大陸在4月的時候又宣布了這個貿易的限制要進行貿易壁壘的調查就是我國對大陸有2450\n\n15\n00:05:15,936 --> 00:05:16,076\n發言委員：\n\n16\n00:05:37,392 --> 00:05:55,720\n是不是我跟委員報告齁就是我們縣市進口大陸本來830項因為稅責號列改變變成1077項大概1077項的一個限制最主要是去保障我們國內的農民的一個生產我知道要保障所以我希望部長你看到這個問題的時候你就要知道\n\n17\n00:05:58,101 --> 00:06:06,403\n我們限制了它2455項1077項就是我們農業產品我們是不是可以盤整一下跟大陸的相關產品比較沒有競爭的比較沒有爭端的可以降低我們的這個爭端的話這些產品我們釋出善意給它開放這樣子的話我們的農業民才不會一再的受到犧牲這是我們一貫的態度我們可以盤整一下嗎沒有競爭的兩岸的部分齁\n\n18\n00:06:24,087 --> 00:06:24,167\n發言委員：\n\n19\n00:06:44,252 --> 00:06:44,392\n發言委員：\n\n20\n00:07:03,016 --> 00:07:19,040\n貿易創意已經在這個五月份在第二階段談判當中我們也希望說他可以合足我們進這個香腸肉鬆或者鳳梨這些產品在現在你們談的結果怎麼樣?第一個我要先跟委員報告就是說\n\n21\n00:07:20,307 --> 00:07:31,962\n中國大陸暫停以後我們積極開發包括美國的市場那美國現在很多整個的一個大陸以外的外銷金從109年的48億我們現在就談美國部長\n\n22\n00:07:36,047 --> 00:07:36,087\n發言委員：\n\n23\n00:08:03,311 --> 00:08:03,531\n發言委員：\n\n24\n00:08:33,931 --> 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