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--> 00:00:37,382\n好謝謝不然喔那延續了剛才不管是我們的林明哲召委、黃健豪委員包括李昆哲委員還有蔡啟展委員有提到目前的話國內這個觀光困境、產業發展的困境啊因為它也包含著就包括今天討論的部分的提案那這個部分都是希望能夠來振興觀光的產業那在\n\n3\n00:00:38,763 --> 00:01:07,116\n對觀光好的一個政策或建議那其實是不分藍綠過去國民黨也曾經執政那所以國民黨智庫還有在上禮拜四召開一個座談會那有提到了許多很好的一個建議包括不僅是上面的五項的一個挑戰的建議甚至有包括是這個就是能夠讓入客那能夠如何能夠再來重新振興畢竟現在來台的人數畢竟確實是需要再做努力那\n\n4\n00:01:07,816 --> 00:01:20,092\n本期這邊有一個智庫的時候的一個座談會的一個建議、建言書那我就想說直接就給部長因為想說你防忙之餘也能夠看一下這些國民黨智庫的建議沒問題謝謝委員\n\n5\n00:01:31,872 --> 00:01:55,298\n好,那接著我們再看今天的這個議題就是在偽造車牌還有包括這個今天所討論的這個重中之重那我們看到一個圖表那這個大家可能都知道這個故事這是蒙面加飛貓的故事那在偽造或是在蒙面他有時候他可能做壞事\n\n6\n00:01:56,198 --> 00:02:03,946\n他可能帶動更多的壞事或是有這個示範效果他還在逃跑的其實就是我們的人民跟百姓那我們看下一頁\n\n7\n00:02:05,595 --> 00:02:32,086\n那所以說某一面就是不想讓大家知道那就是有些這個偽造變造車牌他這個也是不想讓人家知道他同時他影響的也是就是可能是某一個車牌車主他是一個合理合法的一個駕駛人他的車牌那本期在這裡還是重申也強調不管是剛才許多委員有提到的一個修正案那包括是末路以及包括提高罰則甚至這樣子是等同於是一個危險駕駛的一個狀況\n\n8\n00:02:34,187 --> 00:02:51,297\n那他甚至在最高罰則其實甚至3萬到9萬的這種競輸都是被一個考慮的一個範圍那相信行政院的版本到時候提出那也參考國民黨委員其實許多委員不分藍綠都有提出的道路狀況管理條例的處罰那還是要建議因為\n\n9\n00:02:52,057 --> 00:03:16,047\n有幾位啦,就是說探險的行李有人走啦,抬刀的行李沒人走那我們要如何從源頭來去遏止它這個許多偽造車牌或是使用這個偽造車牌的這個動機包括讓他們覺得說這是料警的行李所以說這個部分要讓這個消動部一定要在這個修法的部分來保護我們這個未來這個偽造車牌能夠去降低\n\n10\n00:03:16,647 --> 00:03:36,540\n那同樣的剛才在質詢的時候提到如果說今天來講通知那個速發部的話如果說網路上下架的這種速度的話大概多少時間內可以完成我們是每天都會在網路上巡查巡查之後馬上就會移送那移送之後的速度是不是我請局長多少一天之內可以\n\n11\n00:03:37,160 --> 00:04:02,291\n跟委員報告因為他大概還是要查緝不過就是說像這一個網購平台的部分像這一個相關的這個Yahoo這個采賣的相關的一些這個網購平台的部分其實已經都下架了現在比較難的大概就是說一些比如說是自己的臉書LINE的那些部分的話因為大概我們透過這一個我們自己每天巡查以後\n\n12\n00:04:02,711 --> 00:04:17,452\n其實在移送給這一個速發部然後也請相關的單位協助下架那這個部分的話像我們現在大概已經移了500多件那下架了41件局長那個我直接回覆這個我的疑問\n\n13\n00:04:18,433 --> 00:04:47,000\n就是說其實訴發部他要通知各種的平台他下架的話他要請他們喝咖啡或是直接跟他們通知那是在一天內、一週內還是一個月內還是在半天內還是即通知即下架那我覺得這個部分的話交通部需要跟訴發部溝通因為在網路上面在下一頁甚至還在就與新知大家能夠來大家告訴大家哪裡買這個假車牌所以這個本期在這裡還是要建議跟部的平行聯繫是非常的重要好\n\n14\n00:04:47,780 --> 00:05:08,398\n跟蘇法部合作。謝謝。那最後本席在針對發展公安條例70之二的部分,那還是要強調一下,今天許多,因為剛才在提案說明的時候有看到部長其實講到救國團、講到青年活動中心,他也一直在點頭表示其實跟救國團跟青年活動中心其實一直都可能都有參加許多的活動,或是都有連結。參加過。\n\n15\n00:05:09,399 --> 00:05:23,235\n對,那所以說這個剛才部長也提到說能夠給予說這個部分有一些寬容寬限因為他們畢竟是要轉型成合法的部分那過去他們在疫情期間也都配合了政府政策在做這個防疫旅館\n\n16\n00:05:24,276 --> 00:05:42,748\n還我相信不管是救國團或是包括國際英雄館或是甚至這個勞工運動中心還青年活動中心其實他們在那段時間疫情他們也都在佩服政府政策他們那時候也是放下了手上那時候在申請轉型的這個過程那也是不斷的在做努力\n\n17\n00:05:43,308 --> 00:06:00,968\n那本期還是請這個部長還跟署長還能夠在這一案的部分還給他們一個期間因為輔導轉型的話其實他也要有成效因為過去的話他們並不是衝突衝擊的原本的旅宿業者他們是一直並行並存的幾十年\n\n18\n00:06:01,618 --> 00:06:20,254\n那而現在來講像國軍英雄館他也會因為這樣子他才評估要不要熄燈但是這是大家所不樂見的他們還是有他們的意義跟他們的族群存在那如何能夠在輔導轉型的部分能夠拿出成績以及在他們過去在防疫期間的這個也算是防疫有功\n\n19\n00:06:20,794 --> 00:06:37,051\n配合政府政策我們現在給他們一些空間緩衝就像魯明哲教所提出的數據一樣那是不是能夠來配合讓他們盡快來輔導成因為他們很多案子還在申請中這時候給他們斷頭的時候那其實傷的都是這些所有員工家庭的生計啊\n\n20\n00:06:38,739 --> 00:06:53,600\n報告委員還在申請中的就是還在努力當中的這些案子我們會盡量來輔導他那對於這個我們的期限如果到了之後還需要短暫的這個寬限期的話這個部分我們跟署這邊來協調一下看要怎麼樣去輔導這些業者\n\n21\n00:06:54,761 --> 00:07:21,783\n所以說可以給他們一些寬限的期間嗎?這個部分我們還要再討論希望說能夠用最短的速度啦大家不要再去去做這個時間上的調整但是我們用最短的時間能夠來協助但是我坦白講就是在這次的提案的部分還是希望給他們一個合理的一個緩衝期那因為這個部分法不修那他們沒有這個緩衝期那所以說今天他牽扯是很大包括那時候配合防疫我是覺得如果可以的話\n\n22\n00:07:22,483 --> 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國內這個觀光困境、產業發展的困境啊因為它也包含著就包括今天討論的部分的提案那這個部分都是希望能夠來振興觀光的產業那在\n38763\t67116\t對觀光好的一個政策或建議那其實是不分藍綠過去國民黨也曾經執政那所以國民黨智庫還有在上禮拜四召開一個座談會那有提到了許多很好的一個建議包括不僅是上面的五項的一個挑戰的建議甚至有包括是這個就是能夠讓入客那能夠如何能夠再來重新振興畢竟現在來台的人數畢竟確實是需要再做努力那\n67816\t80092\t本期這邊有一個智庫的時候的一個座談會的一個建議、建言書那我就想說直接就給部長因為想說你防忙之餘也能夠看一下這些國民黨智庫的建議沒問題謝謝委員\n91872\t115298\t好,那接著我們再看今天的這個議題就是在偽造車牌還有包括這個今天所討論的這個重中之重那我們看到一個圖表那這個大家可能都知道這個故事這是蒙面加飛貓的故事那在偽造或是在蒙面他有時候他可能做壞事\n116198\t123946\t他可能帶動更多的壞事或是有這個示範效果他還在逃跑的其實就是我們的人民跟百姓那我們看下一頁\n125595\t152086\t那所以說某一面就是不想讓大家知道那就是有些這個偽造變造車牌他這個也是不想讓人家知道他同時他影響的也是就是可能是某一個車牌車主他是一個合理合法的一個駕駛人他的車牌那本期在這裡還是重申也強調不管是剛才許多委員有提到的一個修正案那包括是末路以及包括提高罰則甚至這樣子是等同於是一個危險駕駛的一個狀況\n154187\t171297\t那他甚至在最高罰則其實甚至3萬到9萬的這種競輸都是被一個考慮的一個範圍那相信行政院的版本到時候提出那也參考國民黨委員其實許多委員不分藍綠都有提出的道路狀況管理條例的處罰那還是要建議因為\n172057\t196047\t有幾位啦,就是說探險的行李有人走啦,抬刀的行李沒人走那我們要如何從源頭來去遏止它這個許多偽造車牌或是使用這個偽造車牌的這個動機包括讓他們覺得說這是料警的行李所以說這個部分要讓這個消動部一定要在這個修法的部分來保護我們這個未來這個偽造車牌能夠去降低\n196647\t216540\t那同樣的剛才在質詢的時候提到如果說今天來講通知那個速發部的話如果說網路上下架的這種速度的話大概多少時間內可以完成我們是每天都會在網路上巡查巡查之後馬上就會移送那移送之後的速度是不是我請局長多少一天之內可以\n217160\t242291\t跟委員報告因為他大概還是要查緝不過就是說像這一個網購平台的部分像這一個相關的這個Yahoo這個采賣的相關的一些這個網購平台的部分其實已經都下架了現在比較難的大概就是說一些比如說是自己的臉書LINE的那些部分的話因為大概我們透過這一個我們自己每天巡查以後\n242711\t257452\t其實在移送給這一個速發部然後也請相關的單位協助下架那這個部分的話像我們現在大概已經移了500多件那下架了41件局長那個我直接回覆這個我的疑問\n258433\t287000\t就是說其實訴發部他要通知各種的平台他下架的話他要請他們喝咖啡或是直接跟他們通知那是在一天內、一週內還是一個月內還是在半天內還是即通知即下架那我覺得這個部分的話交通部需要跟訴發部溝通因為在網路上面在下一頁甚至還在就與新知大家能夠來大家告訴大家哪裡買這個假車牌所以這個本期在這裡還是要建議跟部的平行聯繫是非常的重要好\n287780\t308398\t跟蘇法部合作。謝謝。那最後本席在針對發展公安條例70之二的部分,那還是要強調一下,今天許多,因為剛才在提案說明的時候有看到部長其實講到救國團、講到青年活動中心,他也一直在點頭表示其實跟救國團跟青年活動中心其實一直都可能都有參加許多的活動,或是都有連結。參加過。\n309399\t323235\t對,那所以說這個剛才部長也提到說能夠給予說這個部分有一些寬容寬限因為他們畢竟是要轉型成合法的部分那過去他們在疫情期間也都配合了政府政策在做這個防疫旅館\n324276\t342748\t還我相信不管是救國團或是包括國際英雄館或是甚至這個勞工運動中心還青年活動中心其實他們在那段時間疫情他們也都在佩服政府政策他們那時候也是放下了手上那時候在申請轉型的這個過程那也是不斷的在做努力\n343308\t360968\t那本期還是請這個部長還跟署長還能夠在這一案的部分還給他們一個期間因為輔導轉型的話其實他也要有成效因為過去的話他們並不是衝突衝擊的原本的旅宿業者他們是一直並行並存的幾十年\n361618\t380254\t那而現在來講像國軍英雄館他也會因為這樣子他才評估要不要熄燈但是這是大家所不樂見的他們還是有他們的意義跟他們的族群存在那如何能夠在輔導轉型的部分能夠拿出成績以及在他們過去在防疫期間的這個也算是防疫有功\n380794\t397051\t配合政府政策我們現在給他們一些空間緩衝就像魯明哲教所提出的數據一樣那是不是能夠來配合讓他們盡快來輔導成因為他們很多案子還在申請中這時候給他們斷頭的時候那其實傷的都是這些所有員工家庭的生計啊\n398739\t413600\t報告委員還在申請中的就是還在努力當中的這些案子我們會盡量來輔導他那對於這個我們的期限如果到了之後還需要短暫的這個寬限期的話這個部分我們跟署這邊來協調一下看要怎麼樣去輔導這些業者\n414761\t441783\t所以說可以給他們一些寬限的期間嗎?這個部分我們還要再討論希望說能夠用最短的速度啦大家不要再去去做這個時間上的調整但是我們用最短的時間能夠來協助但是我坦白講就是在這次的提案的部分還是希望給他們一個合理的一個緩衝期那因為這個部分法不修那他們沒有這個緩衝期那所以說今天他牽扯是很大包括那時候配合防疫我是覺得如果可以的話\n442483\t462376\t部內跟署內應該要積極的來協助?如果他現在已經在這個申請的過程我們希望能夠在明年底明年底之前看可不可以全部把他們輔導到合法那我們就在這緩衝期呢盡量給他們一個輔導到因為這個修法必須要給他們一個空間那就有在這個交通部公關署這邊盡量來協助他們謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝趙偉,有請部長。好,陳部長。\n好 謝謝 不然喔那 延續了剛才不管是我們的林明哲召委、黃健豪委員包括李昆哲委員還有蔡啟展委員有提到目前的話 國內這個觀光困境、產業發展的困境啊因為它也包含著就包括今天討論的部分的提案那這個部分都是希望能夠來振興觀光的產業那在\n對觀光好的一個政策或建議那其實是不分藍綠過去國民黨也曾經執政那所以國民黨智庫還有在上禮拜四召開一個座談會那有提到了許多很好的一個建議包括不僅是上面的五項的一個挑戰的建議甚至有包括是這個就是能夠讓入客那能夠如何能夠再來重新振興畢竟現在來台的人數畢竟確實是需要再做努力那\n本期這邊有一個智庫的時候的一個座談會的一個建議、建言書那我就想說直接就給部長因為想說你防忙之餘也能夠看一下這些國民黨智庫的建議沒問題謝謝委員\n好,那接著我們再看今天的這個議題就是在偽造車牌還有包括這個今天所討論的這個重中之重那我們看到一個圖表那這個大家可能都知道這個故事這是蒙面加飛貓的故事那在偽造或是在蒙面他有時候他可能做壞事\n他可能帶動更多的壞事或是有這個示範效果他還在逃跑的其實就是我們的人民跟百姓那我們看下一頁\n那所以說某一面就是不想讓大家知道那就是有些這個偽造變造車牌他這個也是不想讓人家知道他同時他影響的也是就是可能是某一個車牌車主他是一個合理合法的一個駕駛人他的車牌那本期在這裡還是重申也強調不管是剛才許多委員有提到的一個修正案那包括是末路以及包括提高罰則甚至這樣子是等同於是一個危險駕駛的一個狀況\n那他甚至在最高罰則其實甚至3萬到9萬的這種競輸都是被一個考慮的一個範圍那相信行政院的版本到時候提出那也參考國民黨委員其實許多委員不分藍綠都有提出的道路狀況管理條例的處罰那還是要建議因為\n有幾位啦,就是說探險的行李有人走啦,抬刀的行李沒人走那我們要如何從源頭來去遏止它這個許多偽造車牌或是使用這個偽造車牌的這個動機包括讓他們覺得說這是料警的行李所以說這個部分要讓這個消動部一定要在這個修法的部分來保護我們這個未來這個偽造車牌能夠去降低\n那同樣的剛才在質詢的時候提到如果說今天來講通知那個速發部的話如果說網路上下架的這種速度的話大概多少時間內可以完成我們是每天都會在網路上巡查巡查之後馬上就會移送那移送之後的速度是不是我請局長多少一天之內可以\n跟委員報告因為他大概還是要查緝不過就是說像這一個網購平台的部分像這一個相關的這個Yahoo這個采賣的相關的一些這個網購平台的部分其實已經都下架了現在比較難的大概就是說一些比如說是自己的臉書LINE的那些部分的話因為大概我們透過這一個我們自己每天巡查以後\n其實在移送給這一個速發部然後也請相關的單位協助下架那這個部分的話像我們現在大概已經移了500多件那下架了41件局長那個我直接回覆這個我的疑問\n就是說其實訴發部他要通知各種的平台他下架的話他要請他們喝咖啡或是直接跟他們通知那是在一天內、一週內還是一個月內還是在半天內還是即通知即下架那我覺得這個部分的話交通部需要跟訴發部溝通因為在網路上面在下一頁甚至還在就與新知大家能夠來大家告訴大家哪裡買這個假車牌所以這個本期在這裡還是要建議跟部的平行聯繫是非常的重要好\n跟蘇法部合作。謝謝。那最後本席在針對發展公安條例70之二的部分,那還是要強調一下,今天許多,因為剛才在提案說明的時候有看到部長其實講到救國團、講到青年活動中心,他也一直在點頭表示其實跟救國團跟青年活動中心其實一直都可能都有參加許多的活動,或是都有連結。參加過。\n對,那所以說這個剛才部長也提到說能夠給予說這個部分有一些寬容寬限因為他們畢竟是要轉型成合法的部分那過去他們在疫情期間也都配合了政府政策在做這個防疫旅館\n還我相信不管是救國團或是包括國際英雄館或是甚至這個勞工運動中心還青年活動中心其實他們在那段時間疫情他們也都在佩服政府政策他們那時候也是放下了手上那時候在申請轉型的這個過程那也是不斷的在做努力\n那本期還是請這個部長還跟署長還能夠在這一案的部分還給他們一個期間因為輔導轉型的話其實他也要有成效因為過去的話他們並不是衝突衝擊的原本的旅宿業者他們是一直並行並存的幾十年\n那而現在來講像國軍英雄館他也會因為這樣子他才評估要不要熄燈但是這是大家所不樂見的他們還是有他們的意義跟他們的族群存在那如何能夠在輔導轉型的部分能夠拿出成績以及在他們過去在防疫期間的這個也算是防疫有功\n配合政府政策我們現在給他們一些空間緩衝就像魯明哲教所提出的數據一樣那是不是能夠來配合讓他們盡快來輔導成因為他們很多案子還在申請中這時候給他們斷頭的時候那其實傷的都是這些所有員工家庭的生計啊\n報告委員還在申請中的就是還在努力當中的這些案子我們會盡量來輔導他那對於這個我們的期限如果到了之後還需要短暫的這個寬限期的話這個部分我們跟署這邊來協調一下看要怎麼樣去輔導這些業者\n所以說可以給他們一些寬限的期間嗎?這個部分我們還要再討論希望說能夠用最短的速度啦大家不要再去去做這個時間上的調整但是我們用最短的時間能夠來協助但是我坦白講就是在這次的提案的部分還是希望給他們一個合理的一個緩衝期那因為這個部分法不修那他們沒有這個緩衝期那所以說今天他牽扯是很大包括那時候配合防疫我是覺得如果可以的話\n部內跟署內應該要積極的來協助?如果他現在已經在這個申請的過程我們希望能夠在明年底明年底之前看可不可以全部把他們輔導到合法那我們就在這緩衝期呢盡量給他們一個輔導到因為這個修法必須要給他們一個空間那就有在這個交通部公關署這邊盡量來協助他們謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.213 --> 00:06.535\n謝謝趙偉,有請部長。好,陳部長。\n\n00:15.782 --> 00:37.382\n好謝謝不然喔那延續了剛才不管是我們的林明哲召委、黃健豪委員包括李昆哲委員還有蔡啟展委員有提到目前的話國內這個觀光困境、產業發展的困境啊因為它也包含著就包括今天討論的部分的提案那這個部分都是希望能夠來振興觀光的產業那在\n\n00:38.763 --> 01:07.116\n對觀光好的一個政策或建議那其實是不分藍綠過去國民黨也曾經執政那所以國民黨智庫還有在上禮拜四召開一個座談會那有提到了許多很好的一個建議包括不僅是上面的五項的一個挑戰的建議甚至有包括是這個就是能夠讓入客那能夠如何能夠再來重新振興畢竟現在來台的人數畢竟確實是需要再做努力那\n\n01:07.816 --> 01:20.092\n本期這邊有一個智庫的時候的一個座談會的一個建議、建言書那我就想說直接就給部長因為想說你防忙之餘也能夠看一下這些國民黨智庫的建議沒問題謝謝委員\n\n01:31.872 --> 01:55.298\n好,那接著我們再看今天的這個議題就是在偽造車牌還有包括這個今天所討論的這個重中之重那我們看到一個圖表那這個大家可能都知道這個故事這是蒙面加飛貓的故事那在偽造或是在蒙面他有時候他可能做壞事\n\n01:56.198 --> 02:03.946\n他可能帶動更多的壞事或是有這個示範效果他還在逃跑的其實就是我們的人民跟百姓那我們看下一頁\n\n02:05.595 --> 02:32.086\n那所以說某一面就是不想讓大家知道那就是有些這個偽造變造車牌他這個也是不想讓人家知道他同時他影響的也是就是可能是某一個車牌車主他是一個合理合法的一個駕駛人他的車牌那本期在這裡還是重申也強調不管是剛才許多委員有提到的一個修正案那包括是末路以及包括提高罰則甚至這樣子是等同於是一個危險駕駛的一個狀況\n\n02:34.187 --> 02:51.297\n那他甚至在最高罰則其實甚至3萬到9萬的這種競輸都是被一個考慮的一個範圍那相信行政院的版本到時候提出那也參考國民黨委員其實許多委員不分藍綠都有提出的道路狀況管理條例的處罰那還是要建議因為\n\n02:52.057 --> 03:16.047\n有幾位啦,就是說探險的行李有人走啦,抬刀的行李沒人走那我們要如何從源頭來去遏止它這個許多偽造車牌或是使用這個偽造車牌的這個動機包括讓他們覺得說這是料警的行李所以說這個部分要讓這個消動部一定要在這個修法的部分來保護我們這個未來這個偽造車牌能夠去降低\n\n03:16.647 --> 03:36.540\n那同樣的剛才在質詢的時候提到如果說今天來講通知那個速發部的話如果說網路上下架的這種速度的話大概多少時間內可以完成我們是每天都會在網路上巡查巡查之後馬上就會移送那移送之後的速度是不是我請局長多少一天之內可以\n\n03:37.160 --> 04:02.291\n跟委員報告因為他大概還是要查緝不過就是說像這一個網購平台的部分像這一個相關的這個Yahoo這個采賣的相關的一些這個網購平台的部分其實已經都下架了現在比較難的大概就是說一些比如說是自己的臉書LINE的那些部分的話因為大概我們透過這一個我們自己每天巡查以後\n\n04:02.711 --> 04:17.452\n其實在移送給這一個速發部然後也請相關的單位協助下架那這個部分的話像我們現在大概已經移了500多件那下架了41件局長那個我直接回覆這個我的疑問\n\n04:18.433 --> 04:47.000\n就是說其實訴發部他要通知各種的平台他下架的話他要請他們喝咖啡或是直接跟他們通知那是在一天內、一週內還是一個月內還是在半天內還是即通知即下架那我覺得這個部分的話交通部需要跟訴發部溝通因為在網路上面在下一頁甚至還在就與新知大家能夠來大家告訴大家哪裡買這個假車牌所以這個本期在這裡還是要建議跟部的平行聯繫是非常的重要好\n\n04:47.780 --> 05:08.398\n跟蘇法部合作。謝謝。那最後本席在針對發展公安條例70之二的部分,那還是要強調一下,今天許多,因為剛才在提案說明的時候有看到部長其實講到救國團、講到青年活動中心,他也一直在點頭表示其實跟救國團跟青年活動中心其實一直都可能都有參加許多的活動,或是都有連結。參加過。\n\n05:09.399 --> 05:23.235\n對,那所以說這個剛才部長也提到說能夠給予說這個部分有一些寬容寬限因為他們畢竟是要轉型成合法的部分那過去他們在疫情期間也都配合了政府政策在做這個防疫旅館\n\n05:24.276 --> 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