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00:03:04,355\n我想問一個問題就是說因為我們其實講生物多樣性其實跟野生動物的保育是非常非常的有關有關就是非常的有關連可是呢我看到我們第一個我們現在在農業部今年的預算裡面化解野生動物危害農業及冰危物種與人衝突經費時預算是跟上年度相同可是我們的遊蕩犬的數量明明就是增加的為什麼經費是一樣的這點我是很納悶\n\n9\n00:03:07,690 --> 00:03:30,467\n民喉與流浪犬之間的一個衝突的一個方案。但是我們現在並不是只有民喉而已,因為這個計畫是與人衝突,還有兵為物種。我們這個十五的部分,還有...這個董老師有沒有相關的說明一下?跟委員報告,我們現在處理那個流浪犬的預算,大概控制的預算大概會維持在4000萬左右,比去年增加大概一成。\n\n10\n00:03:31,427 --> 00:03:56,233\n遊蕩犬的有增加一成是不是?可是那是那個計畫一成部分是增加的原因是什麼呢?就是我們現在會補助地方政府加強他們在地的一些絕育的工作那這部分是我們的重點懂了齁那我想部長我覺得我們因為我們遊蕩犬有16萬頭嘛對不對還不含遊蕩貓喔對不對可是我們現在收容所其實只能我們自己只能對不到1萬喔\n\n11\n00:03:57,093 --> 00:03:57,193\n發言委員：\n\n12\n00:04:16,255 --> 00:04:36,091\n我想分兩個層次,第一個層次就是在前段的時候施主的責任包括進食餵養的部分我們會去加強但是委員所關心的這些後續的收容所的部分我們會更,因為現在很多縣市想要做但是找不到地所以我們現在是要蓋所有的收容所收容所有的犬貓嗎?我們的策略是這樣嗎?\n\n13\n00:04:37,711 --> 00:04:51,802\n我們要加強它的週轉率就是說收容以後一段時間應該去增揚因為其實我對於你們的這個週轉率要怎麼去因為其實要怎麼去執行我其實蠻納悶的啦我想我們會後來討論這個資訊落實這個週轉率的彈性跟監督管理品質\n\n14\n00:04:55,265 --> 00:04:56,145\n您覺得這樣子的做法是﹖您的看法是什麼?\n\n15\n00:05:21,823 --> 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了解那再來就是說我想部長也知道最近有一個非常轟轟烈烈的新聞就是台南的賽馬被遊蕩犬咬死了有非常多的馬匹死亡\n我想問一個問題就是說因為我們其實講生物多樣性其實跟野生動物的保育是非常非常的有關有關就是非常的有關連可是呢我看到我們第一個我們現在在農業部今年的預算裡面化解野生動物危害農業及冰危物種與人衝突經費時預算是跟上年度相同可是我們的遊蕩犬的數量明明就是增加的為什麼經費是一樣的這點我是很納悶\n民喉與流浪犬之間的一個衝突的一個方案。但是我們現在並不是只有民喉而已,因為這個計畫是與人衝突,還有兵為物種。我們這個十五的部分,還有...這個董老師有沒有相關的說明一下?跟委員報告,我們現在處理那個流浪犬的預算,大概控制的預算大概會維持在4000萬左右,比去年增加大概一成。\n遊蕩犬的有增加一成是不是?可是那是那個計畫一成部分是增加的原因是什麼呢?就是我們現在會補助地方政府加強他們在地的一些絕育的工作那這部分是我們的重點懂了齁那我想部長我覺得我們因為我們遊蕩犬有16萬頭嘛對不對還不含遊蕩貓喔對不對可是我們現在收容所其實只能我們自己只能對不到1萬喔\n發言委員：\n我想分兩個層次,第一個層次就是在前段的時候施主的責任包括進食餵養的部分我們會去加強但是委員所關心的這些後續的收容所的部分我們會更,因為現在很多縣市想要做但是找不到地所以我們現在是要蓋所有的收容所收容所有的犬貓嗎?我們的策略是這樣嗎?\n我們要加強它的週轉率就是說收容以後一段時間應該去增揚因為其實我對於你們的這個週轉率要怎麼去因為其實要怎麼去執行我其實蠻納悶的啦我想我們會後來討論這個資訊落實這個週轉率的彈性跟監督管理品質\n您覺得這樣子的做法是﹖您的看法是什麼?\n我覺得所有的動保相關的這些處理我們一定會跟警政單位來做一個協調那該處理我們還是會處理那我們也會跟動保團體做一些溝通啦因為這個蠻重要而不是無限上綱造成一些動保後面的一些議題更難處理我想我們會加強這部分\n對,我想就是說,我希望其實部長可以針對這個部分,因為其實警察去執法,因為確保我們的動保處可以捕抓這個遊蕩犬,我覺得這還是蠻重要的一件事情,因為就像光這一個禮拜就已經有這麼多的生命死去了,這是非常嚴重的一件事情。那在鄉間,很多小孩會說他不敢通行某些路段,因為有遊蕩犬大居。\n﹝問答﹞\n好,我們會來努力,就是說動保跟野保的相關的知識跟相關的這些觀念的部分應該在課綱裡面從小就應該有一些課綱的處理,我們會跟教育部來看看怎麼樣那大概什麼時候我們可以有一個討論的我想要跟跨部會討論可能需要一點時間,但是我們可以透過相關的我們農業部的相關的推廣系統去跟學校來合作\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案附屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金及所屬單位預算部分．非營業部分．非農田水利事業作業基金及所屬單位預算部分。\n議員議員議員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.983 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