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00:02:18,421\n是列管中的是有31處那當時根據11月份的資料統計總計118處其中是有86處還在做列管當中那全國118處特定對象住宿場所目前只有9處他們完成了登記那只有佔7.6%\n\n7\n00:02:20,802 --> 00:02:44,975\n本席不惜質疑目前我們觀光署是否有來積極協助這些業者來做轉型我們一直都在努力而且我們在定期每一季幾乎都有開會在做輔導那今年的部分是3月還特別邀集了相關單位譬如說涉及到一些相關的督導部分包括這個國防部、教育部我們都有在積極在協調\n\n8\n00:02:46,716 --> 00:03:07,794\n那主要是用地的問題國防部和教育部嗎?那其他單位呢?也都有參與包括這個退伍會對對退伍會目前還有21處的業者他們必須在1月21號後才能取得旅館業的登記嘛那部長、署長如果沒有完成修法那他們這21個業者他們要怎麼來做自救?\n\n9\n00:03:08,393 --> 00:03:19,711\n按照法令規定要退場。要退場?是。那我們剛才有看到那其實有一轉型的業者是相當多的那這邊公共署有沒有有沒有來成立專責的機構來進行輔導?\n\n10\n00:03:23,359 --> 00:03:43,747\n署長當初我們公關署有沒有成立部長也在提到了就是有一部分還在繼續努力但是我們覺得還在繼續努力明年他們1月21號還是要有一個因為我們當初是104年嘛還是在我們希望這個10年114年內把它完成是比較好\n\n11\n00:03:44,372 --> 00:04:00,719\n是那本期這邊也要提到因為疫情的關係那有意轉型的業者他們也都是在積極的辦理當中那因為當時疫情的關係那造成嚴盪那這邊我們先來看到部長請問您知道這個這個價目表算不算是提供特定對象的住宿場所\n\n12\n00:04:02,470 --> 00:04:27,600\n這個駕木錶對看起來不一定是特定對象吧不一定是特定對象那這邊吼那本席直接就跟部長說吼這個是海軍是海一家我們來看看海軍是海一家的資料他的主管機關是海軍嘛那開始營運的時間是民國39年8月21號那他的地址是在高雄市的左營區那他的優惠對象是現役的軍人、軍爵還有農民、農眷與國防相關的人員這邊部長\n\n13\n00:04:30,502 --> 00:04:41,537\n這個場所它是否為我們觀光署列管的對象目前應該是對但是高雄市政府它屬於地方政府他們也會分工來做列管\n\n14\n00:04:42,839 --> 00:05:03,559\n署長您提到高雄市政府對他並沒有說到我們觀光署列館在裡面清分的時候是市政府裡面他沒有提報嘛所以他沒有提報那我們這個條文都已經推動10年了對對所以高雄市政府他有本身有去做分工是由那個部長請問交通部要不要來做檢討\n\n15\n00:05:05,601 --> 00:05:19,574\n這個部分我們就一直在檢討沒有什麼問題因為這個目前的列管的部分的定義是透過22個縣市政府那他有沒有來做登記?他是不是?他是不是管理員?公司政府就表示他要退場\n\n16\n00:05:20,647 --> 00:05:41,440\n他目前並沒有退場我們目前得到的訊息是海軍司令部有表示說我們在1月21號之後他將會歇業或者是轉做其他的用途確實是這樣子所以署長您確認他明年會來做歇業嗎我們在3月開會的時候國防部也表示這樣子他沒有其他的意見\n\n17\n00:05:42,040 --> 00:06:09,758\n署長您就是最好先回去就是請相關單位提供資料我們再去跟會議資料再提問一下我們再去跟他們瞭解一下是不是真的有要追查目前得到的訊息是因為如果政府轄下單位可以不做旅館業登記那卻要求國軍英雄館然後還有青年活動中心他們要來做旅館業的登記那這樣子不免會讓其他單位所以是不是有雙重標準應該也是要做旅館業登記我也特別利用這個機會澄清一下譬如說\n\n18\n00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:26,014\n有些公司行號他自己提供給自己員工的他也沒收費沒有這種營業的行為我們剛才看到他確實是有收費這要查證請署長先去做查證我們就查證我們高中市政府時間一到我們就請高中市政府要查辦\n\n19\n00:06:33,444 --> 00:06:53,643\n那這邊本席也要希望這次的修法讓有意願登記的業者我們公安署這邊也要來協助他們這部分我們會來協助那我們接下來看那個防偽車牌那本席在上個月16號在委員會當中也有針對變造車牌來向部長提出進行跨部會的\n\n20\n00:06:54,484 --> 00:07:15,753\n寫上那上週五的時候公路局有邀請我們警政署還有高工局針對防偽車牌進行討論那針對防偽的部分那本席瞭解到交通部比較偏向實務面那所以找了警政署來進行研議那部長知道這個會議嗎我知道他們有開這個會議是那會議的會議討論下來有初步的規劃嗎可以跟委員報告嗎\n\n21\n00:07:25,709 --> 00:07:40,281\n跟我有報告就是我們是對於就是說防偽車牌的相關的一個未來的一個設計那請警政署、公共局給我們一些意見那基本上就是說大概有初步達成明年度大概防偽功能的一個增加的一個規劃的一個共識\n\n22\n00:07:42,703 --> 00:08:07,706\n那我這邊也在請局長提供當時的會議書面資料提供給本席那這邊最後一個問題那針對變造車牌提高罰則共有9位委員提案那提高罰則的部分洪孟楷委員有提1萬到3萬那王洪文委員、林俊信委員還有黃健豪委員是提6千到3萬6那陳書瑋委員也有提5萬到20萬那我們在簡報上面可以看到那對於提高罰則的部分部長的立場是\n\n23\n00:08:09,063 --> 00:08:25,040\n報告委員我們這個提高罰則的部分目前在我們的修法版本裡面有我們會提高到三萬六這個部分我們當然是朝這個方向那包含車輛沒入的部分我們也會把它加進來也就是說整體罰則都會來提高跟增加OK好謝謝部長出名以上\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5924\t9679\t謝謝主席 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退伍會目前還有21處的業者他們必須在1月21號後才能取得旅館業的登記嘛那部長、署長如果沒有完成修法那他們這21個業者他們要怎麼來做自救?\n188393\t199711\t按照法令規定要退場。要退場?是。那我們剛才有看到那其實有一轉型的業者是相當多的那這邊公共署有沒有有沒有來成立專責的機構來進行輔導?\n203359\t223747\t署長當初我們公關署有沒有成立部長也在提到了就是有一部分還在繼續努力但是我們覺得還在繼續努力明年他們1月21號還是要有一個因為我們當初是104年嘛還是在我們希望這個10年114年內把它完成是比較好\n224372\t240719\t是那本期這邊也要提到因為疫情的關係那有意轉型的業者他們也都是在積極的辦理當中那因為當時疫情的關係那造成嚴盪那這邊我們先來看到部長請問您知道這個這個價目表算不算是提供特定對象的住宿場所\n242470\t267600\t這個駕木錶對看起來不一定是特定對象吧不一定是特定對象那這邊吼那本席直接就跟部長說吼這個是海軍是海一家我們來看看海軍是海一家的資料他的主管機關是海軍嘛那開始營運的時間是民國39年8月21號那他的地址是在高雄市的左營區那他的優惠對象是現役的軍人、軍爵還有農民、農眷與國防相關的人員這邊部長\n270502\t281537\t這個場所它是否為我們觀光署列管的對象目前應該是對但是高雄市政府它屬於地方政府他們也會分工來做列管\n282839\t303559\t署長您提到高雄市政府對他並沒有說到我們觀光署列館在裡面清分的時候是市政府裡面他沒有提報嘛所以他沒有提報那我們這個條文都已經推動10年了對對所以高雄市政府他有本身有去做分工是由那個部長請問交通部要不要來做檢討\n305601\t319574\t這個部分我們就一直在檢討沒有什麼問題因為這個目前的列管的部分的定義是透過22個縣市政府那他有沒有來做登記?他是不是?他是不是管理員?公司政府就表示他要退場\n320647\t341440\t他目前並沒有退場我們目前得到的訊息是海軍司令部有表示說我們在1月21號之後他將會歇業或者是轉做其他的用途確實是這樣子所以署長您確認他明年會來做歇業嗎我們在3月開會的時候國防部也表示這樣子他沒有其他的意見\n342040\t369758\t署長您就是最好先回去就是請相關單位提供資料我們再去跟會議資料再提問一下我們再去跟他們瞭解一下是不是真的有要追查目前得到的訊息是因為如果政府轄下單位可以不做旅館業登記那卻要求國軍英雄館然後還有青年活動中心他們要來做旅館業的登記那這樣子不免會讓其他單位所以是不是有雙重標準應該也是要做旅館業登記我也特別利用這個機會澄清一下譬如說\n371279\t386014\t有些公司行號他自己提供給自己員工的他也沒收費沒有這種營業的行為我們剛才看到他確實是有收費這要查證請署長先去做查證我們就查證我們高中市政府時間一到我們就請高中市政府要查辦\n393444\t413643\t那這邊本席也要希望這次的修法讓有意願登記的業者我們公安署這邊也要來協助他們這部分我們會來協助那我們接下來看那個防偽車牌那本席在上個月16號在委員會當中也有針對變造車牌來向部長提出進行跨部會的\n414484\t435753\t寫上那上週五的時候公路局有邀請我們警政署還有高工局針對防偽車牌進行討論那針對防偽的部分那本席瞭解到交通部比較偏向實務面那所以找了警政署來進行研議那部長知道這個會議嗎我知道他們有開這個會議是那會議的會議討論下來有初步的規劃嗎可以跟委員報告嗎\n445709\t460281\t跟我有報告就是我們是對於就是說防偽車牌的相關的一個未來的一個設計那請警政署、公共局給我們一些意見那基本上就是說大概有初步達成明年度大概防偽功能的一個增加的一個規劃的一個共識\n462703\t487706\t那我這邊也在請局長提供當時的會議書面資料提供給本席那這邊最後一個問題那針對變造車牌提高罰則共有9位委員提案那提高罰則的部分洪孟楷委員有提1萬到3萬那王洪文委員、林俊信委員還有黃健豪委員是提6千到3萬6那陳書瑋委員也有提5萬到20萬那我們在簡報上面可以看到那對於提高罰則的部分部長的立場是\n489063\t505040\t報告委員我們這個提高罰則的部分目前在我們的修法版本裡面有我們會提高到三萬六這個部分我們當然是朝這個方向那包含車輛沒入的部分我們也會把它加進來也就是說整體罰則都會來提高跟增加OK 好 謝謝部長出名 以上\n","txt":"謝謝主席 主席請交通部陳部長還有觀光署周署長\n委員好部長好、署長好我們先來看到觀光的部分其實這邊要提到青年活動中心過去常常是學生社團辦理團康活動的好去處也是很多人學生時期的回憶我們台灣的宗教活動宗教文化活動也很盛行民間的宮廟常常有進香的活動這些香客大樓也是這些香客還有民眾的首選在參與宗教活動的時候\n特定對象住宿場所一發展觀光條例第70條之二之規定有10年的緩衝期將在明年的1月21日落日也是這一次本次修法的重點之一那這邊要針對我們發展觀光條例就叫部長還有署長幾個問題今年11月3號的時候全國各地的國軍英雄館提供了住宿的服務請問部長知道原因嗎\n是不是我請署長好不好對不起那個也是因應這個條文的這個規定啦他用地沒辦法取得旅館用地的話他沒辦法進行旅館所以這個部分他就對他們沒有辦法來申請這個登記為旅館業那部長署長你知道目前觀光署列館全國特定對象的住宿數總共有幾處我們現在全數裡面還有這個針對33處裡面在做輔導對\n列管的部分嗎?列管的部分當時是有118處當時有118處那目前轉型的情況如何?剩下目前86處的部分大概分3個部分一個部分呢他在還是在努力中另外一個就是退場三分之一的部分退場另外一個就是還在觀望\n是列管中的是有31處那當時根據11月份的資料統計總計118處其中是有86處還在做列管當中那全國118處特定對象住宿場所目前只有9處他們完成了登記那只有佔7.6%\n本席不惜質疑目前我們觀光署是否有來積極協助這些業者來做轉型我們一直都在努力而且我們在定期每一季幾乎都有開會在做輔導那今年的部分是3月還特別邀集了相關單位譬如說涉及到一些相關的督導部分包括這個國防部、教育部我們都有在積極在協調\n那主要是用地的問題 國防部和教育部嗎?那其他單位呢?也都有參與 包括這個退伍會對 對 退伍會目前還有21處的業者他們必須在1月21號後才能取得旅館業的登記嘛那部長、署長如果沒有完成修法那他們這21個業者他們要怎麼來做自救?\n按照法令規定要退場。要退場?是。那我們剛才有看到那其實有一轉型的業者是相當多的那這邊公共署有沒有有沒有來成立專責的機構來進行輔導?\n署長當初我們公關署有沒有成立部長也在提到了就是有一部分還在繼續努力但是我們覺得還在繼續努力明年他們1月21號還是要有一個因為我們當初是104年嘛還是在我們希望這個10年114年內把它完成是比較好\n是那本期這邊也要提到因為疫情的關係那有意轉型的業者他們也都是在積極的辦理當中那因為當時疫情的關係那造成嚴盪那這邊我們先來看到部長請問您知道這個這個價目表算不算是提供特定對象的住宿場所\n這個駕木錶對看起來不一定是特定對象吧不一定是特定對象那這邊吼那本席直接就跟部長說吼這個是海軍是海一家我們來看看海軍是海一家的資料他的主管機關是海軍嘛那開始營運的時間是民國39年8月21號那他的地址是在高雄市的左營區那他的優惠對象是現役的軍人、軍爵還有農民、農眷與國防相關的人員這邊部長\n這個場所它是否為我們觀光署列管的對象目前應該是對但是高雄市政府它屬於地方政府他們也會分工來做列管\n署長您提到高雄市政府對他並沒有說到我們觀光署列館在裡面清分的時候是市政府裡面他沒有提報嘛所以他沒有提報那我們這個條文都已經推動10年了對對所以高雄市政府他有本身有去做分工是由那個部長請問交通部要不要來做檢討\n這個部分我們就一直在檢討沒有什麼問題因為這個目前的列管的部分的定義是透過22個縣市政府那他有沒有來做登記?他是不是?他是不是管理員?公司政府就表示他要退場\n他目前並沒有退場我們目前得到的訊息是海軍司令部有表示說我們在1月21號之後他將會歇業或者是轉做其他的用途確實是這樣子所以署長您確認他明年會來做歇業嗎我們在3月開會的時候國防部也表示這樣子他沒有其他的意見\n署長您就是最好先回去就是請相關單位提供資料我們再去跟會議資料再提問一下我們再去跟他們瞭解一下是不是真的有要追查目前得到的訊息是因為如果政府轄下單位可以不做旅館業登記那卻要求國軍英雄館然後還有青年活動中心他們要來做旅館業的登記那這樣子不免會讓其他單位所以是不是有雙重標準應該也是要做旅館業登記我也特別利用這個機會澄清一下譬如說\n有些公司行號他自己提供給自己員工的他也沒收費沒有這種營業的行為我們剛才看到他確實是有收費這要查證請署長先去做查證我們就查證我們高中市政府時間一到我們就請高中市政府要查辦\n那這邊本席也要希望這次的修法讓有意願登記的業者我們公安署這邊也要來協助他們這部分我們會來協助那我們接下來看那個防偽車牌那本席在上個月16號在委員會當中也有針對變造車牌來向部長提出進行跨部會的\n寫上那上週五的時候公路局有邀請我們警政署還有高工局針對防偽車牌進行討論那針對防偽的部分那本席瞭解到交通部比較偏向實務面那所以找了警政署來進行研議那部長知道這個會議嗎我知道他們有開這個會議是那會議的會議討論下來有初步的規劃嗎可以跟委員報告嗎\n跟我有報告就是我們是對於就是說防偽車牌的相關的一個未來的一個設計那請警政署、公共局給我們一些意見那基本上就是說大概有初步達成明年度大概防偽功能的一個增加的一個規劃的一個共識\n那我這邊也在請局長提供當時的會議書面資料提供給本席那這邊最後一個問題那針對變造車牌提高罰則共有9位委員提案那提高罰則的部分洪孟楷委員有提1萬到3萬那王洪文委員、林俊信委員還有黃健豪委員是提6千到3萬6那陳書瑋委員也有提5萬到20萬那我們在簡報上面可以看到那對於提高罰則的部分部長的立場是\n報告委員我們這個提高罰則的部分目前在我們的修法版本裡面有我們會提高到三萬六這個部分我們當然是朝這個方向那包含車輛沒入的部分我們也會把它加進來也就是說整體罰則都會來提高跟增加OK 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好 謝謝部長出名 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