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00:00:33,303\n部長先跟你討論一個時事的議題2024這個世界棒球12強賽火熱在進行尤其是昨天昨天我們11比3大勝澳洲你知道現在一群人大家就是11月21到25大家都要到東京去那這個機票都買不到\n\n3\n00:00:34,669 --> 00:00:54,348\n報告員我們今天確實有看到數據就是今天的訂票率非常的高到昨天還沒什麼變化但今天變化就蠻大的那這個部分民航局也已經在協調我們自己的國航兩個方面一個方面是加開班機第二個方面是有沒有可能我們直接小機型換大機型讓載客的量可以再增加這個部分我們正在努力\n\n4\n00:00:55,109 --> 00:01:04,306\n那另外就是說我們也會協助如果有日本的航空公司他願意來幫忙飛的話我們也會盡量來協助他們來取得這個飛航的這個航班\n\n5\n00:01:04,738 --> 00:01:32,048\n好謝謝部長這個充分的反映民意神救援謝謝那接著我要跟你討論就是我們這個配合2050年今年排碳就是我們所有直轄市的這個電動公車在2030年可能就是說全面的電動化嗎這個有機會達到嗎那我先用台南市就是的案例來跟部長做一個探討\n\n6\n00:01:32,708 --> 00:01:33,589\n黃健豪等17人、黃健豪等17人、黃健豪等17人\n\n7\n00:01:55,862 --> 00:02:01,727\n委員黃健豪等17人、ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、ﻏ\n\n8\n00:02:26,285 --> 00:02:30,969\n委員黃健豪等17人、ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、ﻏ\n\n9\n00:02:50,982 --> 00:03:06,648\n因為這個補助的誘因是不足的。部長你怎麼看待?如果這是公車業者他如果在補助不足的時候他是不是會轉嫁到消費者身上來?這個是最直接的嘛。部長你有沒有一個比較好的方式來應對呢?\n\n10\n00:03:07,648 --> 00:03:35,680\n我們這個運具的電動化尤其在公共運輸的部分公車的部分其實我們確實有訂立出一個目標那目前我們其實全國的數字來看是有達到那個目標的進度啦今年2024年該達到的進度我們都有達到那台南的部分數字上應該也還是在進度當中嘛還在進度當中那未來確實委員您所說的就是這個誘因要充足的部分過去的運行到目前為止其實是都還大家都還能夠運行\n\n11\n00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:51,506\n你現在有達到不代表你在5年內你可以充分的就是說把所有還沒有達到的這1萬多的一個數量那你國內只有3家就是國產國造的這些電動車廠目前已經到4家應該還會再增加\n\n12\n00:03:52,807 --> 00:04:05,892\n二、副委員黃健豪等17人、二、副委員黃健豪等17人、二、副委員黃健豪等17人、二、副委員黃健豪等17人、二、副委員黃健豪等17人、二、副委員黃健豪等17人、二、副委員黃健豪等17人、二、副委員黃健豪等17人、二、副委員黃健豪等17人、二、副委員黃健豪等17人、二、副委員黃健豪等17人、二、副委員黃健豪等17人、二、副委員黃健豪等17人、二、副委員黃健豪等17人、二、副委員黃健豪等17人、\n\n13\n00:04:14,416 --> 00:04:27,808\n全台灣這幾萬台的公車的一個淘汰顯然你是認為就是說已經是第四家業者審核通過了那所以沒有問題五年內可以做出這麼多的一個電動公車的一個補足嗎\n\n14\n00:04:28,737 --> 00:04:45,033\n我們現在盡量一方面補助買車的業者二方面也希望說可以提供車輛的這些業者能夠健全一點經濟部也在協助這個部分尤其在國產化的部分也在努力當中那我們會跟委員您今天所提到的我們會趕快跟業者\n\n15\n00:04:45,734 --> 00:05:00,688\n尤其是客運業者趕快來溝通說如果還有需要什麼樣的幫助或協助讓他們未來可以能夠快速的達標的話這個部分我們來跟他們協調部長在這裡跟你做一些建議這個就是說我們其實就是在這整體的研究裡頭有\n\n16\n00:05:01,889 --> 00:05:05,250\n委員黃健豪等17人、委員黃健豪等17人、委員黃健豪等17人、委員黃健豪等17人、委員黃健豪等17人、\n\n17\n00:05:24,895 --> 00:05:25,676\n黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,\n\n18\n00:05:51,215 --> 00:06:17,027\n自己維修的保養的一個能力啊那避免就是你的電商就是延待的保養那是還有就是烘台會用那不知道就是說部長你怎麼來看待這些?是,報告委員他維修跟保養的這個部分是不是我們公路局其實有在協助啦有在協助他們客運公司自己訓練他們的人員可以自己來做維修跟保養就不會被製造商掐住脖子\n\n19\n00:06:17,427 --> 00:06:44,418\n我覺得這樣子就是這樣子一個胡搗是很正向的可是你的量要大你的量要大你的量能大的話你就不至於就是說被電商就是掐住你的脖子那我們也在這裡這個是客運業者希望我們轉達的一個就是說這個他們個人的一個建議他們說電動車就是一直透過客運者來領取政府的一個補助\n\n20\n00:06:44,858 --> 00:06:58,187\n可是這所有政府的補助相關部門驗收跟審查作業通通都是在刻印業者長期的一個承擔已經接近12年了喔那這個是一個好奇怪的政策啊怎麼為什麼這個補助款是電動業業者\n\n21\n00:07:01,809 --> 00:07:17,239\n他這些車傷領走了那所有的這些審查的作業而是客運業者要去那個來做的所以這個我想部長那個要注意這些問題那我也希望你給我一個書面的一個回應\n\n22\n00:07:18,160 --> 00:07:39,087\n最新的電動車大客車的登記的一個數量你要必須充分去掌握還有各縣市市區的公車電動化的一個進度電動巴士國產化目前推動的一個進度那在跟那個主席借用一分鐘的時間接著就是要跟部長特別提到了就是那個討論T-Bus\n\n23\n00:07:40,307 --> 00:07:41,448\n黃健豪等17人、黃健豪等17人、\n\n24\n00:07:52,708 --> 00:07:53,649\n黃健豪等17人、黃健豪等17人、黃健豪等17人\n\n25\n00:08:12,172 --> 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謝謝部長這個充分的反映民意神救援謝謝那接著我要跟你討論就是我們這個配合2050年今年排碳就是我們所有直轄市的這個電動公車在2030年可能就是說全面的電動化嗎這個有機會達到嗎那我先用台南市就是的案例來跟部長做一個探討\n92708\t93589\t黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人\n115862\t121727\t委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ\n146285\t150969\t委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ\n170982\t186648\t因為這個補助的誘因是不足的。部長你怎麼看待?如果這是公車業者他如果在補助不足的時候他是不是會轉嫁到消費者身上來?這個是最直接的嘛。部長你有沒有一個比較好的方式來應對呢?\n187648\t215680\t我們這個運具的電動化尤其在公共運輸的部分公車的部分其實我們確實有訂立出一個目標那目前我們其實全國的數字來看是有達到那個目標的進度啦今年2024年該達到的進度我們都有達到那台南的部分數字上應該也還是在進度當中嘛還在進度當中那未來確實委員您所說的就是這個誘因要充足的部分過去的運行到目前為止其實是都還大家都還能夠運行\n216880\t231506\t你現在有達到不代表你在5年內你可以充分的就是說把所有還沒有達到的這1萬多的一個數量那你國內只有3家就是國產國造的這些電動車廠目前已經到4家應該還會再增加\n232807\t245892\t二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、\n254416\t267808\t全台灣這幾萬台的公車的一個淘汰顯然你是認為就是說已經是第四家業者審核通過了那所以沒有問題五年內可以做出這麼多的一個電動公車的一個補足嗎\n268737\t285033\t我們現在盡量一方面補助買車的業者二方面也希望說可以提供車輛的這些業者能夠健全一點經濟部也在協助這個部分尤其在國產化的部分也在努力當中那我們會跟委員您今天所提到的我們會趕快跟業者\n285734\t300688\t尤其是客運業者趕快來溝通說如果還有需要什麼樣的幫助或協助讓他們未來可以能夠快速的達標的話這個部分我們來跟他們協調部長在這裡跟你做一些建議這個就是說我們其實就是在這整體的研究裡頭有\n301889\t305250\t委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、\n324895\t325676\t黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,\n351215\t377027\t自己維修的保養的一個能力啊那避免就是你的電商就是延待的保養那是還有就是烘台會用那不知道就是說部長你怎麼來看待這些?是,報告委員他維修跟保養的這個部分是不是我們公路局其實有在協助啦有在協助他們客運公司自己訓練他們的人員可以自己來做維修跟保養就不會被製造商掐住脖子\n377427\t404418\t我覺得這樣子就是這樣子一個胡搗是很正向的可是你的量要大你的量要大你的量能大的話你就不至於就是說被電商就是掐住你的脖子那我們也在這裡這個是客運業者希望我們轉達的一個就是說這個他們個人的一個建議他們說電動車就是一直透過客運者來領取政府的一個補助\n404858\t418187\t可是這所有政府的補助相關部門驗收跟審查作業通通都是在刻印業者長期的一個承擔已經接近12年了喔那這個是一個好奇怪的政策啊怎麼為什麼這個補助款是電動業業者\n421809\t437239\t他這些車傷領走了那所有的這些審查的作業而是客運業者要去那個來做的所以這個我想部長那個要注意這些問題那我也希望你給我一個書面的一個回應\n438160\t459087\t最新的電動車大客車的登記的一個數量你要必須充分去掌握還有各縣市市區的公車電動化的一個進度電動巴士國產化目前推動的一個進度那在跟那個主席借用一分鐘的時間接著就是要跟部長特別提到了就是那個討論T-Bus\n460307\t461448\t黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、\n472708\t473649\t黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人\n492172\t506023\t黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,\n519474\t546313\t沒有多少錢幾千萬而已你一定可以你絕對可以你再來再下一張這個為什麼為什麼只有幾千萬這個因為兩地的系統的整合卡關了那在嘉義的時候他的票務的系統跟那個南高坪的統一票務的一個系統他沒有辦法連結所以我希望就是說是不是部長你可以來幫我們處理這樣子一個很簡單的一個問題\n548390\t556344\t我們這個趕快跟地方政府來協調看要怎麼對大家要有共識啦大家有共識兩邊的地方政府都有共識就是沒錢\n558015\t559597\t二、審查 ﹝提供答案﹞\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請陳部長陳部長\n部長先跟你討論一個時事的議題2024這個世界棒球12強賽火熱在進行尤其是昨天昨天我們11比3大勝澳洲你知道現在一群人大家就是11月21到25大家都要到東京去那這個機票都買不到\n報告員我們今天確實有看到數據就是今天的訂票率非常的高到昨天還沒什麼變化但今天變化就蠻大的那這個部分民航局也已經在協調我們自己的國航兩個方面一個方面是加開班機第二個方面是有沒有可能我們直接小機型換大機型讓載客的量可以再增加這個部分我們正在努力\n那另外就是說我們也會協助如果有日本的航空公司他願意來幫忙飛的話我們也會盡量來協助他們來取得這個飛航的這個航班\n好 謝謝部長這個充分的反映民意神救援謝謝那接著我要跟你討論就是我們這個配合2050年今年排碳就是我們所有直轄市的這個電動公車在2030年可能就是說全面的電動化嗎這個有機會達到嗎那我先用台南市就是的案例來跟部長做一個探討\n黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人\n委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ\n委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ委員黃健豪等17人、 ﻏ\n因為這個補助的誘因是不足的。部長你怎麼看待?如果這是公車業者他如果在補助不足的時候他是不是會轉嫁到消費者身上來?這個是最直接的嘛。部長你有沒有一個比較好的方式來應對呢?\n我們這個運具的電動化尤其在公共運輸的部分公車的部分其實我們確實有訂立出一個目標那目前我們其實全國的數字來看是有達到那個目標的進度啦今年2024年該達到的進度我們都有達到那台南的部分數字上應該也還是在進度當中嘛還在進度當中那未來確實委員您所說的就是這個誘因要充足的部分過去的運行到目前為止其實是都還大家都還能夠運行\n你現在有達到不代表你在5年內你可以充分的就是說把所有還沒有達到的這1萬多的一個數量那你國內只有3家就是國產國造的這些電動車廠目前已經到4家應該還會再增加\n二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、 二、副委員黃健豪等17人、\n全台灣這幾萬台的公車的一個淘汰顯然你是認為就是說已經是第四家業者審核通過了那所以沒有問題五年內可以做出這麼多的一個電動公車的一個補足嗎\n我們現在盡量一方面補助買車的業者二方面也希望說可以提供車輛的這些業者能夠健全一點經濟部也在協助這個部分尤其在國產化的部分也在努力當中那我們會跟委員您今天所提到的我們會趕快跟業者\n尤其是客運業者趕快來溝通說如果還有需要什麼樣的幫助或協助讓他們未來可以能夠快速的達標的話這個部分我們來跟他們協調部長在這裡跟你做一些建議這個就是說我們其實就是在這整體的研究裡頭有\n委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、 委員黃健豪等17人、\n黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,\n自己維修的保養的一個能力啊那避免就是你的電商就是延待的保養那是還有就是烘台會用那不知道就是說部長你怎麼來看待這些?是,報告委員他維修跟保養的這個部分是不是我們公路局其實有在協助啦有在協助他們客運公司自己訓練他們的人員可以自己來做維修跟保養就不會被製造商掐住脖子\n我覺得這樣子就是這樣子一個胡搗是很正向的可是你的量要大你的量要大你的量能大的話你就不至於就是說被電商就是掐住你的脖子那我們也在這裡這個是客運業者希望我們轉達的一個就是說這個他們個人的一個建議他們說電動車就是一直透過客運者來領取政府的一個補助\n可是這所有政府的補助相關部門驗收跟審查作業通通都是在刻印業者長期的一個承擔已經接近12年了喔那這個是一個好奇怪的政策啊怎麼為什麼這個補助款是電動業業者\n他這些車傷領走了那所有的這些審查的作業而是客運業者要去那個來做的所以這個我想部長那個要注意這些問題那我也希望你給我一個書面的一個回應\n最新的電動車大客車的登記的一個數量你要必須充分去掌握還有各縣市市區的公車電動化的一個進度電動巴士國產化目前推動的一個進度那在跟那個主席借用一分鐘的時間接著就是要跟部長特別提到了就是那個討論T-Bus\n黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、\n黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人、 黃健豪等17人\n黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,黃健豪等17人,\n沒有多少錢幾千萬而已你一定可以你絕對可以你再來再下一張這個為什麼為什麼只有幾千萬這個因為兩地的系統的整合卡關了那在嘉義的時候他的票務的系統跟那個南高坪的統一票務的一個系統他沒有辦法連結所以我希望就是說是不是部長你可以來幫我們處理這樣子一個很簡單的一個問題\n我們這個趕快跟地方政府來協調看要怎麼對大家要有共識啦大家有共識兩邊的地方政府都有共識就是沒錢\n二、審查 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