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00:01:21,224\n報告委員幾個部分一個部分針對公共運輸的部分確實超高齡之後很多的長者他們需要更多的公共運輸尤其是比較偏鄉的部分這個部分我們有在做努力那另外針對這個坦白說我們這個公共運輸的這個公車業者、客運業者他們的這個駕駛不足我們也把這個年齡有調升讓一些比較超過65歲以上的還可以繼續來做駕駛昨天在喜來登那邊就發生一個\n\n4\n00:01:23,285 --> 00:01:42,771\n車禍,一個車禍對不對有死亡車禍就是年輕的公車駕駛者那撞死了這個高齡的行人好OK這個這個現在目前這個我們到我們溫德公路局根據這一個的調查現在\n\n5\n00:01:46,489 --> 00:02:10,618\n現在這個駕車肇事率是隨著年齡增加而遞減年齡增加從這個表來看18歲到29歲有2900多件每10萬人70歲以上只有1100多件事實上是人口的最低\n\n6\n00:02:11,836 --> 00:02:31,369\n這是駕車造勢70歲以上的是最低的所有00層當中最低在行人當中出事的雖然年齡增加而遞增最年輕的只有10.66件70歲以上只有最高有46.66件\n\n7\n00:02:41,827 --> 00:02:56,558\n這一個我們從去年113年1到8月65歲上高齡者的交通死亡人數前十大原因當中第一個排名第一名的是重型機車\n\n8\n00:02:58,837 --> 00:03:17,826\n重型機車死亡最多占所有死亡當中的57%高齡者騎重型機車非常危險第二就是行人行人走路高齡者走路很危險占了19%第二名第三個是什麼\n\n9\n00:03:18,926 --> 00:03:39,460\n自行車、騎腳踏車危險佔9%第四個是當乘客、坐車當乘客佔4%開小客車佔3%這個沒有錯吧局長沒有錯那現在目前公路局上面我來看請問75歲是不是要\n\n10\n00:03:43,393 --> 00:04:07,104\n要換照?要取消他的駕照?75歲要再做認知功能測驗之後才能夠繼續就是說擁有駕照那為什麼他已經是出事最低的為什麼要特別有他特別待遇呢?什麼原因?跟委員報告其實高齡者跟年輕人其實都是在事故的統計上面其實是兩個高峰\n\n11\n00:04:09,265 --> 00:04:25,879\n六五以上一直到七五其實都還是算是高峰高峰是高峰所以剛才從那個那個是你們統計的數據嘛他開車出事是佔3%是最低的嘛那你不開車他就會變成前面騎腳踏車騎車或者當行人對不對\n\n12\n00:04:30,202 --> 00:04:47,748\n你剝奪他開車的權利他就會變成風險更高嘛你到底是想要降低那個風險還是增加那個風險這不是剝奪他開車的權利我們只是做體檢確認他的跑路速度夠快那每一個都要體檢我只是說這個重要政策其實這個隱含的是叫高齡歧視這違憲你知道嗎剝奪你要剝奪這個叫壯實在的開車權利嗎行動移動的自由嗎\n\n13\n00:04:55,877 --> 00:05:00,658\n請檢討這個政策接下來我告訴我們部長現在75歲以上的人你看那個2024年有160萬人這些已經都被歧視了都要吊銷駕照了到了2050年會多少呢?\n\n14\n00:05:23,045 --> 00:05:44,500\n會到420萬人這些人都要被你列管嗎這個真的要檢討這個政策好不好要檢討這個政策另外一個不好意思再借我一分鐘就是另外一個就是觀光觀光產業建立交通部來鼓勵發展撞油\n\n15\n00:05:45,861 --> 00:05:58,431\n因為現在我們對於所謂的引髮想像的旅遊業都是坐著上車睡覺、下車尿尿把那個安全係數引髮旅遊搞得非常無趣其實這一塊\n\n16\n00:06:00,174 --> 00:06:18,920\n這一塊我們從這裡振興國旅壯實在是主力啊主力從你各種的數據旅遊最多的包括非假日旅遊最多的錢最多的最有時間最有錢最有意願做什麼結果我們對這塊是任其方無\n\n17\n00:06:20,188 --> 00:06:47,860\n任其方無而且這一塊台灣如果內部旅遊把它做起來還可以吸引觀光台灣是這一塊聖地耶寶島聖地旅遊中的交通部在這一部分好好的重視因為為什麼都不重視其實我推廣的各個部位我很清楚都是叫做年齡歧視我們都覺得你年紀到了一個程度以後就不好了隨便啦輕輕菜菜啦\n\n18\n00:06:49,241 --> 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