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\"score\": 0.98}, {\"word\": \"好\", \"start\": 971.896, \"end\": 971.916, \"score\": 0.083}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}, {\"word\": \"謝\"}], \"language\": \"zh\"}","srt":"1\n00:00:17,831 --> 00:00:18,092\n麻煩請卓院長備選\n\n2\n00:00:33,227 --> 00:01:00,793\n主委好主委好主委長時間有限我想幾個部分先跟您做請教也確認您現在的態度喔首先上午我們有看到您針對媒體答詢的時候有回答到NCC的人士因為我們上禮拜的這個三讀通過那確定現在代理主委的資格是沒有辦法符合的那你說你要用最快的速度要來做再檢視委員的名單我想請教你是現在三位委員還要再重新提出還是說\n\n3\n00:01:02,369 --> 00:01:29,627\n只要針對翁柏中一個人的部分好謝謝委員我想我們共同的目的都是希望讓通傳會能夠順利正常合法的運作所以在這個前提底下因為到底經過了一段的時間也波折了很多的事情我必須回頭去看看已經被提名的被提名人當中是不是還要請問他們是不是還願意留在提名的名額方面的裡面我當然很誠懇的希望他們繼續留在\n\n4\n00:01:30,578 --> 00:01:52,195\n被提名的名單裡面那如果不足的人數我們就去盡量找尋適當的人數我認為這個事情一快步一慢越快越好因為從今年第二會期立法院開議到現在9月開議到現在11月多了您知道NCC的人事是哪個委員會來審查嗎\n\n5\n00:01:54,320 --> 00:02:11,465\n在審查的過程我一直知道他卡在卡在這個程序委員會沒有啊7月12號的時候就已經進入程序委員會了9月的時候就可以審查了但是我們委員會一直沒有排審是在交通委員會那民進黨的召委一直都沒有排這個人事審查\n\n6\n00:02:12,145 --> 00:02:24,946\n所以換言之民進黨他可能也覺得是說是不是民進黨稍微也認為說你現在提名的名單是讓國人沒有辦法接受的那為什麼會沒有排審這個名單在520之前就提名為什麼會沒有排審您知道嗎\n\n7\n00:02:26,833 --> 00:02:53,791\n這個可能要請委員去在院裡面去了解一下可能是議程上有所延誤或是我不知道狀況是啊就是你們民進黨的召委刻意不排審我有期待說盡快排審啦這是民進黨的召委刻意不排審嘛好所以你會在最快速度提出相關的名單本席一直講人事的部分我們專業審查嚴格把關所以只要能夠審查我們一定會直球對決好好審查所以最快什麼時候你會提出來\n\n8\n00:02:54,790 --> 00:03:21,204\n我說今年這個月底會提出來嗎12月我甚至希望能夠再快一點因為12月以後可能11月底就要提出來12月以後的NCC通傳會的功能會受到一些限制所以11月底還有10天左右在這個氣氛底下要去請適當的人能夠來擔任被提名人如果有需要再增加人選的話這過程還要經過一番的\n\n9\n00:03:21,684 --> 00:03:36,680\n考量所以院長現在決定權在你阿你不要拖延我們就可以進促審查我說適當的人要找到適當的人要爭過一定的時間好院長那我們就看您所謂的盡快到底是多快好不好那再來第二個部分喔昨天我們有召委前往\n\n10\n00:03:38,022 --> 00:04:00,757\n這個相關的司法單位去了解才發覺說有一個很嚴重的問題我想雖然這是司法院的問題可是這跟我們法務部也息息相關國人更是高度關切就是在今年的大法官釋憲死刑的這個案件之後發覺現在37名死刑定驗的死刑犯他們有30位他們的這個所謂的判決部他是不見了\n\n11\n00:04:01,718 --> 00:04:28,178\n所以換言之評議部不見了所以換言之他就會變成說他可以提出非常上訴那我們甚至我們的召委有講到說這個30名的死刑的評議部已經銷毀所以未來他們申請非常上訴的時候有可能就會要求可以回家院長如果三審定宴的死刑犯突然間可以要求回家回到一般的民間\n\n12\n00:04:29,964 --> 00:04:36,929\n你會不會覺得這個事情非常嚴重知識體大對我們台灣的治安民眾的觀感來講您怎麼看\n\n13\n00:04:37,916 --> 00:05:04,883\n當然經過法律司法三審定院這個應該執行死刑的這些受刑犯應該都有相當的反社會性或許他個人有一些自己身體精神上的問題但是反社會性的行為已經被法律所認定了那麼在憲判當中提到必須要一致決那就可能要從相關的現在就是因為當初的評議部不見了所以他沒有辦法證明一致決與否\n\n14\n00:05:06,303 --> 00:05:16,774\n那所以說他們才可以提出非常上訴而且這樣子提出來是一定會被非常上訴那我們現在在講說這30位因為這30位可能是之前就三省定讞的\n\n15\n00:05:18,336 --> 00:05:43,328\n所以我知道這個問題可能牽扯到最後會發生的就是到底他們有沒有經過憲法法庭要求的那個程序那如果程序因為這樣而沒有辦法得到印證說已經有經過法定條的程序的時候院長能不能承諾即便他們有相關的非常上述可以來進行但是在這個當中的過程裡面絕對不允許已經三審定驗的37名死刑犯離開監獄\n\n16\n00:05:45,388 --> 00:06:13,868\n當然這個決定在法院那我認為依照現在社會的氣氛如果因為這個事情沒有辦法去認證他過去是不是已經履行了這個法定的憲法所要求的程序那因為這樣的原因我是覺得法院應該要審慎的來評估未來這些這個受刑人他應不應該在一定的保護當中不要對社會造成另外負面的討論會比較好所以我的建議是應該從嚴來看\n\n17\n00:06:15,149 --> 00:06:32,965\n是當然應該從原來看而且未來本席也會提出相關的修法包括已經判決實行定業即便他未來他有可能做翻盤或說他沒有一致決的話也終生不得假釋或者是無期徒刑的判決也終生不得假釋院長你同意嗎\n\n18\n00:06:33,926 --> 00:06:50,055\n如果經過大院的討論那也跟國人的共識有這樣的一個連結的話那我們再經過法律你的態度啦我經過法律的連結這樣審慎之後我覺得法律如果這樣定下來那行政機關當然是依法行政我也認為應該考慮到社會的觀感\n\n19\n00:06:52,315 --> 00:07:07,960\n考慮到社會的感感所以百分之八十的民眾都認為不應該廢除死刑我要拜託求求行行好我們民進黨政府真的不要再推廢死了我們會很重視百分之八十的民意但是這一些個人的問題我們還是要去尊重來講到\n\n20\n00:07:09,910 --> 00:07:31,478\n這個部分今天也有一個民調說死亡交叉我不知道院長有沒有看到因為這當然不是一個好聽的話啦人家如果說是候選人跟候選人叫黃金交叉但自己跟自己比尤其滿意跟不滿意交叉了就叫死亡交叉來今天最新的民調說不滿意高於滿意再來下一張\n\n21\n00:07:33,228 --> 00:07:47,567\n上任半年這個機構認為是說卓內閣的好日子結束了而且他代表的卓內閣一個月內流失超過一百萬的支持者當不滿意超過滿意的時候代表卓內閣已經失去多數民意的支持\n\n22\n00:07:49,690 --> 00:08:11,599\n院長身為當事人您怎麼看當然所有的民調對我們來看都是非常嚴謹的一個鞭策那從過去歷史的民調當中起起落落都有沒有只有落沒有起有啦也有啦這比較殘酷啦因為這民調很科學如果有起我一定講起但有落尤其是同一份民調裡面一直是\n\n23\n00:08:12,299 --> 00:08:39,809\n有死亡交叉也有起也有落啦今天這種狀況對我們來講是一個比較大的警訊我會要求內閣團隊要非常的嚴正看待社會國人對我們的看法因為一定是我們在政策推動的時候不夠的踏實說明的不夠清楚院長你自己認為過去這半年的時間因為11月19嘛回推520剛好半年這半年裡面你覺得做最不好的有哪一些\n\n24\n00:08:40,802 --> 00:08:42,507\n哪幾個部會是讓你最頭痛的\n\n25\n00:08:44,144 --> 00:09:11,038\n哪幾個部會我想部長都非常的認真但是底下有一些人事上的糾紛是我們一再的出現人事我倒是覺得這應該可以我們應該有能力來避免像最近幾個部會裡面有一些任用上的問題那麼一段時間沒有辦法給社會一個正面的說明我覺得我們應該有能力來處理另外就是在一些人事的任用上面引起社會一些討論這個我們都引以為戒\n\n26\n00:09:12,250 --> 00:09:38,533\n院長您點到重點了人事的任用跟在野黨沒有一點關係因為人事的任用安排選擇以及發布這完全都是行政部門的權利所以我沒有規則在野黨任何問題所以本席要提醒的就是過去到現在在野黨理性專業的監督但我們一直一而再再而三提醒不要用人為財用人為律用人為親\n\n27\n00:09:40,407 --> 00:09:43,993\n用人為財啦不要用人為青用人為綠啊但說實在話\n\n28\n00:09:46,001 --> 00:10:14,108\n好像過去這大半年不是這麼一回事也因此人事的部分一直讓外界認為是說是不是有關係就沒關係沒關係就大大有關係才會變成這樣的情況不是嗎無論如何都是有嚴重的問題因為我們在一些金融機構國營事業任用的人也得到社會一些掌聲但是當中有一些出現了他個人的因素等等問題我們以後會多更審慎的考量院長如果你可以學一學我們現在中華隊的教練\n\n29\n00:10:15,236 --> 00:10:28,806\n把是才是所好的投手好的打者放在正確的位置上不要考慮派系不要考慮出身不要考慮他是哪一個職棒球隊的我相信你會獲得更多的掌聲我們一起為中華隊加油好不好來院長\n\n30\n00:10:31,147 --> 00:10:56,876\n本席拉回來今天在講的所謂的這個追加預算一千億的部分現在今年要再補貼台電一千億明年要再補貼也編列了一千億再加上過去有所謂的強化經濟韌性計劃多補五百億以及過去有兩千五百億的增資其實短短這兩年我們給台電已經近五千億它的一個成長了\n\n31\n00:10:57,836 --> 00:11:12,638\n但是我們要講錯誤的能源政策比貪污可能更恐怖啊我們要問的是說到底現在民進黨為什麼在能源提供永續以及國際大環境的詢視之下是不是還死抱著非核家園這個神主牌\n\n32\n00:11:14,175 --> 00:11:31,131\n包括有廢核家園是環境基本法23條所明定的但也是民進黨主政以及民進黨人數多數之下所以說才去修訂阿我想你應該不否認廢核家園是民進黨神主牌這句話吧不是神主牌是法律的規定所以你現在說是民進黨神主牌我們應該記得歷任的總統\n\n33\n00:11:34,858 --> 00:11:55,980\n對於非核家園都採取正面的態度當然是採取正面態度當然採取正面態度但馬總統當時一直強調是要以核養綠就是認為是說未來有一天當人類的技術跟科技到達一定程度的時候我們可以完全的用綠能取代任何的能源的時候我們當然就要擁抱綠能可是在現在過渡的時候有比\n\n34\n00:11:57,571 --> 00:12:22,367\n核能有比其他能源更加困難而且不現實的情況那就是什麼火力發電啊所以有看到最近COVID-19正在開會嘛童子賢董事長怎麼講核能不是綠能對付的目標啊我們一直強調是核能要對付的是火力發電是燃煤燃氣因為燃煤燃氣的排碳才是大宗下一頁\n\n35\n00:12:24,942 --> 00:12:41,412\n臺灣是不是應該能夠務實地談核能因為COVID-19對於核能的態度是開放的有20幾個國家已經簽署了到2050年核能三倍宣言2050年讓核能成長發電三倍院長有看到這個新聞嗎有您認為呢\n\n36\n00:12:45,345 --> 00:13:12,893\n這29個國家他們是罔顧民意不注重民生還是他們認為說應該要實際務實面對檢探目標院長台灣身為一個現在科技生產的主要國家我們也希望世界大廠能夠來台灣設廠設立它的研發中心等等那麼他們要求要求綠電的這個強烈要求我們應該滿足所以發展綠能還是現在我們的主力\n\n37\n00:13:13,453 --> 00:13:40,697\n除了發展綠能之外從頭到尾沒有反對阿發展綠能去發展阿本席百分之百雙手贊成發展綠能但是在發展綠能的同時現在是你們用火力發電來滿足還沒有綠能成熟情況的缺口這才是現在台灣的問題阿我們發展綠能之外現在我們台灣的火力發電高達幾成深度的節約用電跟科技的儲能我們都一併發展也強化電網同時之下我們對於新的核能技術\n\n38\n00:13:41,317 --> 00:13:57,327\n院長你應該很了解現在台灣的發電現況吧我們來看一下台灣2023年統計只有16.9%是低碳發電而高達八成都是火力發電包括燃氣跟燃煤再來\n\n39\n00:13:58,641 --> 00:14:21,768\n世界各國怎麼看我們為什麼一直強調是說核能是選擇我們沒有說一定要如果有更好的不排碳的能源可以取代核能用電低廉並且穩定發電我們也希望能夠支持但是現在的技術就是有限制但是核能一直是穩定的發電它不會因為氣候不會因為環境的變化而起伏\n\n40\n00:14:22,301 --> 00:14:45,134\n你看一下當太陽下山的時候其實光電的發電就會消失的來再下一張瑞士他們放棄了非核家園的政策瑞典放棄非核家園的政策義大利放棄了非核家園的政策芬蘭重啟電廠法國以核能科技為傲下一頁義大利宣布要重啟核能下一頁\n\n41\n00:14:46,365 --> 00:15:14,084\n瑞士我們常講瑞士算是我們這個先進國家裡面環境人文都名列前茅的但他們認為他們的發電比例高達44%的核能高達47%的水力太陽能佔8點多趴他們不用火力發電就是因為他們認為是說火力發電其實會影響到整個空污而減少風電跟光電這才能夠讓環境永續\n\n42\n00:15:16,545 --> 00:15:38,045\n好最後時間有限但院長我希望你看一下你今天有喊話說陳啟鈺要出來但鄭明謙法務部長他講說南檢是有掌握他的行蹤的所以與其信心喊話你要不要要求一下法務部長應該要叫南檢交人我已經速度要求部長能夠儘速把這個案子辦好出來人怎麼辦\n\n43\n00:16:08,347 --> 00:16:11,916\n院長履行要求保護競速辦理好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n17831\t18092\t麻煩請卓院長備選\n33227\t60793\t主委好主委好主委長時間有限我想幾個部分先跟您做請教也確認您現在的態度喔首先上午我們有看到您針對媒體答詢的時候有回答到NCC的人士因為我們上禮拜的這個三讀通過那確定現在代理主委的資格是沒有辦法符合的那你說你要用最快的速度要來做再檢視委員的名單我想請教你是現在三位委員還要再重新提出還是說\n62369\t89627\t只要針對翁柏中一個人的部分好 謝謝委員我想我們共同的目的都是希望讓通傳會能夠順利正常合法的運作所以在這個前提底下因為到底經過了一段的時間也波折了很多的事情我必須回頭去看看已經被提名的被提名人當中是不是還要請問他們是不是還願意留在提名的名額方面的裡面我當然很誠懇的希望他們繼續留在\n90578\t112195\t被提名的名單裡面那如果不足的人數我們就去盡量找尋適當的人數我認為這個事情一快步一慢越快越好因為從今年第二會期立法院開議到現在9月開議到現在11月多了您知道NCC的人事是哪個委員會來審查嗎\n114320\t131465\t在審查的過程我一直知道他卡在卡在這個程序委員會沒有啊7月12號的時候就已經進入程序委員會了9月的時候就可以審查了但是我們委員會一直沒有排審是在交通委員會那民進黨的召委一直都沒有排這個人事審查\n132145\t144946\t所以換言之民進黨他可能也覺得是說是不是民進黨稍微也認為說你現在提名的名單是讓國人沒有辦法接受的那為什麼會沒有排審這個名單在520之前就提名為什麼會沒有排審 您知道嗎\n146833\t173791\t這個可能要請委員去在院裡面去了解一下可能是議程上有所延誤或是我不知道狀況是啊 就是你們民進黨的召委刻意不排審我有期待說盡快排審啦這是民進黨的召委刻意不排審嘛好 所以你會在最快速度提出相關的名單本席一直講人事的部分我們專業審查 嚴格把關所以只要能夠審查我們一定會直球對決好好審查所以最快什麼時候你會提出來\n174790\t201204\t我說今年這個月底會提出來嗎12月我甚至希望能夠再快一點因為12月以後可能11月底就要提出來12月以後的NCC通傳會的功能會受到一些限制所以11月底還有10天左右在這個氣氛底下要去請適當的人能夠來擔任被提名人如果有需要再增加人選的話這過程還要經過一番的\n201684\t216680\t考量所以院長現在決定權在你阿你不要拖延我們就可以進促審查我說適當的人要找到適當的人要爭過一定的時間好院長那我們就看您所謂的盡快到底是多快好不好那再來第二個部分喔昨天我們有召委前往\n218022\t240757\t這個相關的司法單位去了解才發覺說有一個很嚴重的問題我想雖然這是司法院的問題可是這跟我們法務部也息息相關國人更是高度關切就是在今年的大法官釋憲死刑的這個案件之後發覺現在37名死刑定驗的死刑犯他們有30位他們的這個所謂的判決部他是不見了\n241718\t268178\t所以換言之評議部不見了所以換言之他就會變成說他可以提出非常上訴那我們甚至我們的召委有講到說這個30名的死刑的評議部已經銷毀所以未來他們申請非常上訴的時候有可能就會要求可以回家院長如果三審定宴的死刑犯突然間可以要求回家回到一般的民間\n269964\t276929\t你會不會覺得這個事情非常嚴重知識體大對我們台灣的治安民眾的觀感來講您怎麼看\n277916\t304883\t當然經過法律司法三審定院這個應該執行死刑的這些受刑犯應該都有相當的反社會性或許他個人有一些自己身體精神上的問題但是反社會性的行為已經被法律所認定了那麼在憲判當中提到必須要一致決那就可能要從相關的現在就是因為當初的評議部不見了所以他沒有辦法證明一致決與否\n306303\t316774\t那所以說他們才可以提出非常上訴而且這樣子提出來是一定會被非常上訴那我們現在在講說這30位因為這30位可能是之前就三省定讞的\n318336\t343328\t所以我知道這個問題可能牽扯到最後會發生的就是到底他們有沒有經過憲法法庭要求的那個程序那如果程序因為這樣而沒有辦法得到印證說已經有經過法定條的程序的時候院長能不能承諾即便他們有相關的非常上述可以來進行但是在這個當中的過程裡面絕對不允許已經三審定驗的37名死刑犯離開監獄\n345388\t373868\t當然這個決定在法院那我認為依照現在社會的氣氛如果因為這個事情沒有辦法去認證他過去是不是已經履行了這個法定的憲法所要求的程序那因為這樣的原因我是覺得法院應該要審慎的來評估未來這些這個受刑人他應不應該在一定的保護當中不要對社會造成另外負面的討論會比較好所以我的建議是應該從嚴來看\n375149\t392965\t是當然應該從原來看而且未來本席也會提出相關的修法包括已經判決實行定業即便他未來他有可能做翻盤或說他沒有一致決的話也終生不得假釋或者是無期徒刑的判決也終生不得假釋院長你同意嗎\n393926\t410055\t如果經過大院的討論那也跟國人的共識有這樣的一個連結的話那我們再經過法律你的態度啦我經過法律的連結這樣審慎之後我覺得法律如果這樣定下來那行政機關當然是依法行政我也認為應該考慮到社會的觀感\n412315\t427960\t考慮到社會的感感所以百分之八十的民眾都認為不應該廢除死刑我要拜託求求行行好我們民進黨政府真的不要再推廢死了我們會很重視百分之八十的民意但是這一些個人的問題我們還是要去尊重來講到\n429910\t451478\t這個部分今天也有一個民調說死亡交叉我不知道院長有沒有看到因為這當然不是一個好聽的話啦人家如果說是候選人跟候選人叫黃金交叉但自己跟自己比尤其滿意跟不滿意交叉了就叫死亡交叉來今天最新的民調說不滿意高於滿意再來下一張\n453228\t467567\t上任半年這個機構認為是說卓內閣的好日子結束了而且他代表的卓內閣一個月內流失超過一百萬的支持者當不滿意超過滿意的時候代表卓內閣已經失去多數民意的支持\n469690\t491599\t院長身為當事人您怎麼看當然所有的民調對我們來看都是非常嚴謹的一個鞭策那從過去歷史的民調當中起起落落都有沒有只有落沒有起有啦也有啦這比較殘酷啦因為這民調很科學如果有起我一定講起但有落尤其是同一份民調裡面一直是\n492299\t519809\t有死亡交叉也有起也有落啦今天這種狀況對我們來講是一個比較大的警訊我會要求內閣團隊要非常的嚴正看待社會國人對我們的看法因為一定是我們在政策推動的時候不夠的踏實說明的不夠清楚院長你自己認為過去這半年的時間因為11月19嘛回推520剛好半年這半年裡面你覺得做最不好的有哪一些\n520802\t522507\t哪幾個部會是讓你最頭痛的\n524144\t551038\t哪幾個部會我想部長都非常的認真但是底下有一些人事上的糾紛是我們一再的出現人事我倒是覺得這應該可以我們應該有能力來避免像最近幾個部會裡面有一些任用上的問題那麼一段時間沒有辦法給社會一個正面的說明我覺得我們應該有能力來處理另外就是在一些人事的任用上面引起社會一些討論這個我們都引以為戒\n552250\t578533\t院長您點到重點了人事的任用跟在野黨沒有一點關係因為人事的任用安排選擇以及發布這完全都是行政部門的權利所以我沒有規則在野黨任何問題所以本席要提醒的就是過去到現在在野黨理性專業的監督但我們一直一而再再而三提醒不要用人為財用人為律用人為親\n580407\t583993\t用人為財啦不要用人為青用人為綠啊但說實在話\n586001\t614108\t好像過去這大半年不是這麼一回事也因此人事的部分一直讓外界認為是說是不是有關係就沒關係沒關係就大大有關係才會變成這樣的情況不是嗎無論如何都是有嚴重的問題因為我們在一些金融機構國營事業任用的人也得到社會一些掌聲但是當中有一些出現了他個人的因素等等問題我們以後會多更審慎的考量院長如果你可以學一學我們現在中華隊的教練\n615236\t628806\t把是才是所好的投手好的打者放在正確的位置上不要考慮派系不要考慮出身不要考慮他是哪一個職棒球隊的我相信你會獲得更多的掌聲我們一起為中華隊加油好不好來 院長\n631147\t656876\t本席拉回來今天在講的所謂的這個追加預算一千億的部分現在今年要再補貼台電一千億明年要再補貼也編列了一千億再加上過去有所謂的強化經濟韌性計劃多補五百億以及過去有兩千五百億的增資其實短短這兩年我們給台電已經近五千億它的一個成長了\n657836\t672638\t但是我們要講錯誤的能源政策比貪污可能更恐怖啊我們要問的是說到底現在民進黨為什麼在能源提供永續以及國際大環境的詢視之下是不是還死抱著非核家園這個神主牌\n674175\t691131\t包括有廢核家園是環境基本法23條所明定的但也是民進黨主政以及民進黨人數多數之下所以說才去修訂阿我想你應該不否認廢核家園是民進黨神主牌這句話吧不是神主牌是法律的規定所以你現在說是民進黨神主牌我們應該記得歷任的總統\n694858\t715980\t對於非核家園都採取正面的態度當然是採取正面態度當然採取正面態度但馬總統當時一直強調是要以核養綠就是認為是說未來有一天當人類的技術跟科技到達一定程度的時候我們可以完全的用綠能取代任何的能源的時候我們當然就要擁抱綠能可是在現在過渡的時候有比\n717571\t742367\t核能有比其他能源更加困難而且不現實的情況那就是什麼火力發電啊所以有看到最近COVID-19正在開會嘛童子賢董事長怎麼講核能不是綠能對付的目標啊我們一直強調是核能要對付的是火力發電是燃煤燃氣因為燃煤燃氣的排碳才是大宗下一頁\n744942\t761412\t臺灣是不是應該能夠務實地談核能因為COVID-19對於核能的態度是開放的有20幾個國家已經簽署了到2050年核能三倍宣言2050年讓核能成長發電三倍院長有看到這個新聞嗎有您認為呢\n765345\t792893\t這29個國家他們是罔顧民意不注重民生還是他們認為說應該要實際務實面對檢探目標院長台灣身為一個現在科技生產的主要國家我們也希望世界大廠能夠來台灣設廠 設立它的研發中心等等那麼他們要求要求綠電的這個強烈要求我們應該滿足所以發展綠能還是現在我們的主力\n793453\t820697\t除了發展綠能之外從頭到尾沒有反對阿發展綠能去發展阿本席百分之百雙手贊成發展綠能但是在發展綠能的同時現在是你們用火力發電來滿足還沒有綠能成熟情況的缺口這才是現在台灣的問題阿我們發展綠能之外現在我們台灣的火力發電高達幾成深度的節約用電跟科技的儲能我們都一併發展也強化電網同時之下我們對於新的核能技術\n821317\t837327\t院長你應該很了解現在台灣的發電現況吧我們來看一下台灣2023年統計只有16.9%是低碳發電而高達八成都是火力發電包括燃氣跟燃煤再來\n838641\t861768\t世界各國怎麼看我們為什麼一直強調是說核能是選擇我們沒有說一定要如果有更好的不排碳的能源可以取代核能用電低廉並且穩定發電我們也希望能夠支持但是現在的技術就是有限制但是核能一直是穩定的發電它不會因為氣候不會因為環境的變化而起伏\n862301\t885134\t你看一下當太陽下山的時候其實光電的發電就會消失的來再下一張瑞士他們放棄了非核家園的政策瑞典放棄非核家園的政策義大利放棄了非核家園的政策芬蘭重啟電廠法國以核能科技為傲下一頁義大利宣布要重啟核能下一頁\n886365\t914084\t瑞士我們常講瑞士算是我們這個先進國家裡面環境人文都名列前茅的但他們認為他們的發電比例高達44%的核能高達47%的水力太陽能佔8點多趴他們不用火力發電就是因為他們認為是說火力發電其實會影響到整個空污而減少風電跟光電這才能夠讓環境永續\n916545\t938045\t好 最後時間有限 但院長我希望你看一下你今天有喊話說陳啟鈺要出來但鄭明謙法務部長他講說南檢是有掌握他的行蹤的所以與其信心喊話你要不要要求一下法務部長應該要叫南檢交人我已經速度要求部長能夠儘速把這個案子辦好出來人怎麼辦\n968347\t971916\t院長履行要求保護競速辦理好 謝謝\n","txt":"麻煩請卓院長備選\n主委好主委好主委長時間有限我想幾個部分先跟您做請教也確認您現在的態度喔首先上午我們有看到您針對媒體答詢的時候有回答到NCC的人士因為我們上禮拜的這個三讀通過那確定現在代理主委的資格是沒有辦法符合的那你說你要用最快的速度要來做再檢視委員的名單我想請教你是現在三位委員還要再重新提出還是說\n只要針對翁柏中一個人的部分好 謝謝委員我想我們共同的目的都是希望讓通傳會能夠順利正常合法的運作所以在這個前提底下因為到底經過了一段的時間也波折了很多的事情我必須回頭去看看已經被提名的被提名人當中是不是還要請問他們是不是還願意留在提名的名額方面的裡面我當然很誠懇的希望他們繼續留在\n被提名的名單裡面那如果不足的人數我們就去盡量找尋適當的人數我認為這個事情一快步一慢越快越好因為從今年第二會期立法院開議到現在9月開議到現在11月多了您知道NCC的人事是哪個委員會來審查嗎\n在審查的過程我一直知道他卡在卡在這個程序委員會沒有啊7月12號的時候就已經進入程序委員會了9月的時候就可以審查了但是我們委員會一直沒有排審是在交通委員會那民進黨的召委一直都沒有排這個人事審查\n所以換言之民進黨他可能也覺得是說是不是民進黨稍微也認為說你現在提名的名單是讓國人沒有辦法接受的那為什麼會沒有排審這個名單在520之前就提名為什麼會沒有排審 您知道嗎\n這個可能要請委員去在院裡面去了解一下可能是議程上有所延誤或是我不知道狀況是啊 就是你們民進黨的召委刻意不排審我有期待說盡快排審啦這是民進黨的召委刻意不排審嘛好 所以你會在最快速度提出相關的名單本席一直講人事的部分我們專業審查 嚴格把關所以只要能夠審查我們一定會直球對決好好審查所以最快什麼時候你會提出來\n我說今年這個月底會提出來嗎12月我甚至希望能夠再快一點因為12月以後可能11月底就要提出來12月以後的NCC通傳會的功能會受到一些限制所以11月底還有10天左右在這個氣氛底下要去請適當的人能夠來擔任被提名人如果有需要再增加人選的話這過程還要經過一番的\n考量所以院長現在決定權在你阿你不要拖延我們就可以進促審查我說適當的人要找到適當的人要爭過一定的時間好院長那我們就看您所謂的盡快到底是多快好不好那再來第二個部分喔昨天我們有召委前往\n這個相關的司法單位去了解才發覺說有一個很嚴重的問題我想雖然這是司法院的問題可是這跟我們法務部也息息相關國人更是高度關切就是在今年的大法官釋憲死刑的這個案件之後發覺現在37名死刑定驗的死刑犯他們有30位他們的這個所謂的判決部他是不見了\n所以換言之評議部不見了所以換言之他就會變成說他可以提出非常上訴那我們甚至我們的召委有講到說這個30名的死刑的評議部已經銷毀所以未來他們申請非常上訴的時候有可能就會要求可以回家院長如果三審定宴的死刑犯突然間可以要求回家回到一般的民間\n你會不會覺得這個事情非常嚴重知識體大對我們台灣的治安民眾的觀感來講您怎麼看\n當然經過法律司法三審定院這個應該執行死刑的這些受刑犯應該都有相當的反社會性或許他個人有一些自己身體精神上的問題但是反社會性的行為已經被法律所認定了那麼在憲判當中提到必須要一致決那就可能要從相關的現在就是因為當初的評議部不見了所以他沒有辦法證明一致決與否\n那所以說他們才可以提出非常上訴而且這樣子提出來是一定會被非常上訴那我們現在在講說這30位因為這30位可能是之前就三省定讞的\n所以我知道這個問題可能牽扯到最後會發生的就是到底他們有沒有經過憲法法庭要求的那個程序那如果程序因為這樣而沒有辦法得到印證說已經有經過法定條的程序的時候院長能不能承諾即便他們有相關的非常上述可以來進行但是在這個當中的過程裡面絕對不允許已經三審定驗的37名死刑犯離開監獄\n當然這個決定在法院那我認為依照現在社會的氣氛如果因為這個事情沒有辦法去認證他過去是不是已經履行了這個法定的憲法所要求的程序那因為這樣的原因我是覺得法院應該要審慎的來評估未來這些這個受刑人他應不應該在一定的保護當中不要對社會造成另外負面的討論會比較好所以我的建議是應該從嚴來看\n是當然應該從原來看而且未來本席也會提出相關的修法包括已經判決實行定業即便他未來他有可能做翻盤或說他沒有一致決的話也終生不得假釋或者是無期徒刑的判決也終生不得假釋院長你同意嗎\n如果經過大院的討論那也跟國人的共識有這樣的一個連結的話那我們再經過法律你的態度啦我經過法律的連結這樣審慎之後我覺得法律如果這樣定下來那行政機關當然是依法行政我也認為應該考慮到社會的觀感\n考慮到社會的感感所以百分之八十的民眾都認為不應該廢除死刑我要拜託求求行行好我們民進黨政府真的不要再推廢死了我們會很重視百分之八十的民意但是這一些個人的問題我們還是要去尊重來講到\n這個部分今天也有一個民調說死亡交叉我不知道院長有沒有看到因為這當然不是一個好聽的話啦人家如果說是候選人跟候選人叫黃金交叉但自己跟自己比尤其滿意跟不滿意交叉了就叫死亡交叉來今天最新的民調說不滿意高於滿意再來下一張\n上任半年這個機構認為是說卓內閣的好日子結束了而且他代表的卓內閣一個月內流失超過一百萬的支持者當不滿意超過滿意的時候代表卓內閣已經失去多數民意的支持\n院長身為當事人您怎麼看當然所有的民調對我們來看都是非常嚴謹的一個鞭策那從過去歷史的民調當中起起落落都有沒有只有落沒有起有啦也有啦這比較殘酷啦因為這民調很科學如果有起我一定講起但有落尤其是同一份民調裡面一直是\n有死亡交叉也有起也有落啦今天這種狀況對我們來講是一個比較大的警訊我會要求內閣團隊要非常的嚴正看待社會國人對我們的看法因為一定是我們在政策推動的時候不夠的踏實說明的不夠清楚院長你自己認為過去這半年的時間因為11月19嘛回推520剛好半年這半年裡面你覺得做最不好的有哪一些\n哪幾個部會是讓你最頭痛的\n哪幾個部會我想部長都非常的認真但是底下有一些人事上的糾紛是我們一再的出現人事我倒是覺得這應該可以我們應該有能力來避免像最近幾個部會裡面有一些任用上的問題那麼一段時間沒有辦法給社會一個正面的說明我覺得我們應該有能力來處理另外就是在一些人事的任用上面引起社會一些討論這個我們都引以為戒\n院長您點到重點了人事的任用跟在野黨沒有一點關係因為人事的任用安排選擇以及發布這完全都是行政部門的權利所以我沒有規則在野黨任何問題所以本席要提醒的就是過去到現在在野黨理性專業的監督但我們一直一而再再而三提醒不要用人為財用人為律用人為親\n用人為財啦不要用人為青用人為綠啊但說實在話\n好像過去這大半年不是這麼一回事也因此人事的部分一直讓外界認為是說是不是有關係就沒關係沒關係就大大有關係才會變成這樣的情況不是嗎無論如何都是有嚴重的問題因為我們在一些金融機構國營事業任用的人也得到社會一些掌聲但是當中有一些出現了他個人的因素等等問題我們以後會多更審慎的考量院長如果你可以學一學我們現在中華隊的教練\n把是才是所好的投手好的打者放在正確的位置上不要考慮派系不要考慮出身不要考慮他是哪一個職棒球隊的我相信你會獲得更多的掌聲我們一起為中華隊加油好不好來 院長\n本席拉回來今天在講的所謂的這個追加預算一千億的部分現在今年要再補貼台電一千億明年要再補貼也編列了一千億再加上過去有所謂的強化經濟韌性計劃多補五百億以及過去有兩千五百億的增資其實短短這兩年我們給台電已經近五千億它的一個成長了\n但是我們要講錯誤的能源政策比貪污可能更恐怖啊我們要問的是說到底現在民進黨為什麼在能源提供永續以及國際大環境的詢視之下是不是還死抱著非核家園這個神主牌\n包括有廢核家園是環境基本法23條所明定的但也是民進黨主政以及民進黨人數多數之下所以說才去修訂阿我想你應該不否認廢核家園是民進黨神主牌這句話吧不是神主牌是法律的規定所以你現在說是民進黨神主牌我們應該記得歷任的總統\n對於非核家園都採取正面的態度當然是採取正面態度當然採取正面態度但馬總統當時一直強調是要以核養綠就是認為是說未來有一天當人類的技術跟科技到達一定程度的時候我們可以完全的用綠能取代任何的能源的時候我們當然就要擁抱綠能可是在現在過渡的時候有比\n核能有比其他能源更加困難而且不現實的情況那就是什麼火力發電啊所以有看到最近COVID-19正在開會嘛童子賢董事長怎麼講核能不是綠能對付的目標啊我們一直強調是核能要對付的是火力發電是燃煤燃氣因為燃煤燃氣的排碳才是大宗下一頁\n臺灣是不是應該能夠務實地談核能因為COVID-19對於核能的態度是開放的有20幾個國家已經簽署了到2050年核能三倍宣言2050年讓核能成長發電三倍院長有看到這個新聞嗎有您認為呢\n這29個國家他們是罔顧民意不注重民生還是他們認為說應該要實際務實面對檢探目標院長台灣身為一個現在科技生產的主要國家我們也希望世界大廠能夠來台灣設廠 設立它的研發中心等等那麼他們要求要求綠電的這個強烈要求我們應該滿足所以發展綠能還是現在我們的主力\n除了發展綠能之外從頭到尾沒有反對阿發展綠能去發展阿本席百分之百雙手贊成發展綠能但是在發展綠能的同時現在是你們用火力發電來滿足還沒有綠能成熟情況的缺口這才是現在台灣的問題阿我們發展綠能之外現在我們台灣的火力發電高達幾成深度的節約用電跟科技的儲能我們都一併發展也強化電網同時之下我們對於新的核能技術\n院長你應該很了解現在台灣的發電現況吧我們來看一下台灣2023年統計只有16.9%是低碳發電而高達八成都是火力發電包括燃氣跟燃煤再來\n世界各國怎麼看我們為什麼一直強調是說核能是選擇我們沒有說一定要如果有更好的不排碳的能源可以取代核能用電低廉並且穩定發電我們也希望能夠支持但是現在的技術就是有限制但是核能一直是穩定的發電它不會因為氣候不會因為環境的變化而起伏\n你看一下當太陽下山的時候其實光電的發電就會消失的來再下一張瑞士他們放棄了非核家園的政策瑞典放棄非核家園的政策義大利放棄了非核家園的政策芬蘭重啟電廠法國以核能科技為傲下一頁義大利宣布要重啟核能下一頁\n瑞士我們常講瑞士算是我們這個先進國家裡面環境人文都名列前茅的但他們認為他們的發電比例高達44%的核能高達47%的水力太陽能佔8點多趴他們不用火力發電就是因為他們認為是說火力發電其實會影響到整個空污而減少風電跟光電這才能夠讓環境永續\n好 最後時間有限 但院長我希望你看一下你今天有喊話說陳啟鈺要出來但鄭明謙法務部長他講說南檢是有掌握他的行蹤的所以與其信心喊話你要不要要求一下法務部長應該要叫南檢交人我已經速度要求部長能夠儘速把這個案子辦好出來人怎麼辦\n院長履行要求保護競速辦理好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:17.831 --> 00:18.092\n麻煩請卓院長備選\n\n00:33.227 --> 01:00.793\n主委好主委好主委長時間有限我想幾個部分先跟您做請教也確認您現在的態度喔首先上午我們有看到您針對媒體答詢的時候有回答到NCC的人士因為我們上禮拜的這個三讀通過那確定現在代理主委的資格是沒有辦法符合的那你說你要用最快的速度要來做再檢視委員的名單我想請教你是現在三位委員還要再重新提出還是說\n\n01:02.369 --> 01:29.627\n只要針對翁柏中一個人的部分好謝謝委員我想我們共同的目的都是希望讓通傳會能夠順利正常合法的運作所以在這個前提底下因為到底經過了一段的時間也波折了很多的事情我必須回頭去看看已經被提名的被提名人當中是不是還要請問他們是不是還願意留在提名的名額方面的裡面我當然很誠懇的希望他們繼續留在\n\n01:30.578 --> 01:52.195\n被提名的名單裡面那如果不足的人數我們就去盡量找尋適當的人數我認為這個事情一快步一慢越快越好因為從今年第二會期立法院開議到現在9月開議到現在11月多了您知道NCC的人事是哪個委員會來審查嗎\n\n01:54.320 --> 02:11.465\n在審查的過程我一直知道他卡在卡在這個程序委員會沒有啊7月12號的時候就已經進入程序委員會了9月的時候就可以審查了但是我們委員會一直沒有排審是在交通委員會那民進黨的召委一直都沒有排這個人事審查\n\n02:12.145 --> 02:24.946\n所以換言之民進黨他可能也覺得是說是不是民進黨稍微也認為說你現在提名的名單是讓國人沒有辦法接受的那為什麼會沒有排審這個名單在520之前就提名為什麼會沒有排審您知道嗎\n\n02:26.833 --> 02:53.791\n這個可能要請委員去在院裡面去了解一下可能是議程上有所延誤或是我不知道狀況是啊就是你們民進黨的召委刻意不排審我有期待說盡快排審啦這是民進黨的召委刻意不排審嘛好所以你會在最快速度提出相關的名單本席一直講人事的部分我們專業審查嚴格把關所以只要能夠審查我們一定會直球對決好好審查所以最快什麼時候你會提出來\n\n02:54.790 --> 03:21.204\n我說今年這個月底會提出來嗎12月我甚至希望能夠再快一點因為12月以後可能11月底就要提出來12月以後的NCC通傳會的功能會受到一些限制所以11月底還有10天左右在這個氣氛底下要去請適當的人能夠來擔任被提名人如果有需要再增加人選的話這過程還要經過一番的\n\n03:21.684 --> 03:36.680\n考量所以院長現在決定權在你阿你不要拖延我們就可以進促審查我說適當的人要找到適當的人要爭過一定的時間好院長那我們就看您所謂的盡快到底是多快好不好那再來第二個部分喔昨天我們有召委前往\n\n03:38.022 --> 04:00.757\n這個相關的司法單位去了解才發覺說有一個很嚴重的問題我想雖然這是司法院的問題可是這跟我們法務部也息息相關國人更是高度關切就是在今年的大法官釋憲死刑的這個案件之後發覺現在37名死刑定驗的死刑犯他們有30位他們的這個所謂的判決部他是不見了\n\n04:01.718 --> 04:28.178\n所以換言之評議部不見了所以換言之他就會變成說他可以提出非常上訴那我們甚至我們的召委有講到說這個30名的死刑的評議部已經銷毀所以未來他們申請非常上訴的時候有可能就會要求可以回家院長如果三審定宴的死刑犯突然間可以要求回家回到一般的民間\n\n04:29.964 --> 04:36.929\n你會不會覺得這個事情非常嚴重知識體大對我們台灣的治安民眾的觀感來講您怎麼看\n\n04:37.916 --> 05:04.883\n當然經過法律司法三審定院這個應該執行死刑的這些受刑犯應該都有相當的反社會性或許他個人有一些自己身體精神上的問題但是反社會性的行為已經被法律所認定了那麼在憲判當中提到必須要一致決那就可能要從相關的現在就是因為當初的評議部不見了所以他沒有辦法證明一致決與否\n\n05:06.303 --> 05:16.774\n那所以說他們才可以提出非常上訴而且這樣子提出來是一定會被非常上訴那我們現在在講說這30位因為這30位可能是之前就三省定讞的\n\n05:18.336 --> 05:43.328\n所以我知道這個問題可能牽扯到最後會發生的就是到底他們有沒有經過憲法法庭要求的那個程序那如果程序因為這樣而沒有辦法得到印證說已經有經過法定條的程序的時候院長能不能承諾即便他們有相關的非常上述可以來進行但是在這個當中的過程裡面絕對不允許已經三審定驗的37名死刑犯離開監獄\n\n05:45.388 --> 06:13.868\n當然這個決定在法院那我認為依照現在社會的氣氛如果因為這個事情沒有辦法去認證他過去是不是已經履行了這個法定的憲法所要求的程序那因為這樣的原因我是覺得法院應該要審慎的來評估未來這些這個受刑人他應不應該在一定的保護當中不要對社會造成另外負面的討論會比較好所以我的建議是應該從嚴來看\n\n06:15.149 --> 06:32.965\n是當然應該從原來看而且未來本席也會提出相關的修法包括已經判決實行定業即便他未來他有可能做翻盤或說他沒有一致決的話也終生不得假釋或者是無期徒刑的判決也終生不得假釋院長你同意嗎\n\n06:33.926 --> 06:50.055\n如果經過大院的討論那也跟國人的共識有這樣的一個連結的話那我們再經過法律你的態度啦我經過法律的連結這樣審慎之後我覺得法律如果這樣定下來那行政機關當然是依法行政我也認為應該考慮到社會的觀感\n\n06:52.315 --> 07:07.960\n考慮到社會的感感所以百分之八十的民眾都認為不應該廢除死刑我要拜託求求行行好我們民進黨政府真的不要再推廢死了我們會很重視百分之八十的民意但是這一些個人的問題我們還是要去尊重來講到\n\n07:09.910 --> 07:31.478\n這個部分今天也有一個民調說死亡交叉我不知道院長有沒有看到因為這當然不是一個好聽的話啦人家如果說是候選人跟候選人叫黃金交叉但自己跟自己比尤其滿意跟不滿意交叉了就叫死亡交叉來今天最新的民調說不滿意高於滿意再來下一張\n\n07:33.228 --> 07:47.567\n上任半年這個機構認為是說卓內閣的好日子結束了而且他代表的卓內閣一個月內流失超過一百萬的支持者當不滿意超過滿意的時候代表卓內閣已經失去多數民意的支持\n\n07:49.690 --> 08:11.599\n院長身為當事人您怎麼看當然所有的民調對我們來看都是非常嚴謹的一個鞭策那從過去歷史的民調當中起起落落都有沒有只有落沒有起有啦也有啦這比較殘酷啦因為這民調很科學如果有起我一定講起但有落尤其是同一份民調裡面一直是\n\n08:12.299 --> 08:39.809\n有死亡交叉也有起也有落啦今天這種狀況對我們來講是一個比較大的警訊我會要求內閣團隊要非常的嚴正看待社會國人對我們的看法因為一定是我們在政策推動的時候不夠的踏實說明的不夠清楚院長你自己認為過去這半年的時間因為11月19嘛回推520剛好半年這半年裡面你覺得做最不好的有哪一些\n\n08:40.802 --> 08:42.507\n哪幾個部會是讓你最頭痛的\n\n08:44.144 --> 09:11.038\n哪幾個部會我想部長都非常的認真但是底下有一些人事上的糾紛是我們一再的出現人事我倒是覺得這應該可以我們應該有能力來避免像最近幾個部會裡面有一些任用上的問題那麼一段時間沒有辦法給社會一個正面的說明我覺得我們應該有能力來處理另外就是在一些人事的任用上面引起社會一些討論這個我們都引以為戒\n\n09:12.250 --> 09:38.533\n院長您點到重點了人事的任用跟在野黨沒有一點關係因為人事的任用安排選擇以及發布這完全都是行政部門的權利所以我沒有規則在野黨任何問題所以本席要提醒的就是過去到現在在野黨理性專業的監督但我們一直一而再再而三提醒不要用人為財用人為律用人為親\n\n09:40.407 --> 09:43.993\n用人為財啦不要用人為青用人為綠啊但說實在話\n\n09:46.001 --> 10:14.108\n好像過去這大半年不是這麼一回事也因此人事的部分一直讓外界認為是說是不是有關係就沒關係沒關係就大大有關係才會變成這樣的情況不是嗎無論如何都是有嚴重的問題因為我們在一些金融機構國營事業任用的人也得到社會一些掌聲但是當中有一些出現了他個人的因素等等問題我們以後會多更審慎的考量院長如果你可以學一學我們現在中華隊的教練\n\n10:15.236 --> 10:28.806\n把是才是所好的投手好的打者放在正確的位置上不要考慮派系不要考慮出身不要考慮他是哪一個職棒球隊的我相信你會獲得更多的掌聲我們一起為中華隊加油好不好來院長\n\n10:31.147 --> 10:56.876\n本席拉回來今天在講的所謂的這個追加預算一千億的部分現在今年要再補貼台電一千億明年要再補貼也編列了一千億再加上過去有所謂的強化經濟韌性計劃多補五百億以及過去有兩千五百億的增資其實短短這兩年我們給台電已經近五千億它的一個成長了\n\n10:57.836 --> 11:12.638\n但是我們要講錯誤的能源政策比貪污可能更恐怖啊我們要問的是說到底現在民進黨為什麼在能源提供永續以及國際大環境的詢視之下是不是還死抱著非核家園這個神主牌\n\n11:14.175 --> 11:31.131\n包括有廢核家園是環境基本法23條所明定的但也是民進黨主政以及民進黨人數多數之下所以說才去修訂阿我想你應該不否認廢核家園是民進黨神主牌這句話吧不是神主牌是法律的規定所以你現在說是民進黨神主牌我們應該記得歷任的總統\n\n11:34.858 --> 11:55.980\n對於非核家園都採取正面的態度當然是採取正面態度當然採取正面態度但馬總統當時一直強調是要以核養綠就是認為是說未來有一天當人類的技術跟科技到達一定程度的時候我們可以完全的用綠能取代任何的能源的時候我們當然就要擁抱綠能可是在現在過渡的時候有比\n\n11:57.571 --> 12:22.367\n核能有比其他能源更加困難而且不現實的情況那就是什麼火力發電啊所以有看到最近COVID-19正在開會嘛童子賢董事長怎麼講核能不是綠能對付的目標啊我們一直強調是核能要對付的是火力發電是燃煤燃氣因為燃煤燃氣的排碳才是大宗下一頁\n\n12:24.942 --> 12:41.412\n臺灣是不是應該能夠務實地談核能因為COVID-19對於核能的態度是開放的有20幾個國家已經簽署了到2050年核能三倍宣言2050年讓核能成長發電三倍院長有看到這個新聞嗎有您認為呢\n\n12:45.345 --> 13:12.893\n這29個國家他們是罔顧民意不注重民生還是他們認為說應該要實際務實面對檢探目標院長台灣身為一個現在科技生產的主要國家我們也希望世界大廠能夠來台灣設廠設立它的研發中心等等那麼他們要求要求綠電的這個強烈要求我們應該滿足所以發展綠能還是現在我們的主力\n\n13:13.453 --> 13:40.697\n除了發展綠能之外從頭到尾沒有反對阿發展綠能去發展阿本席百分之百雙手贊成發展綠能但是在發展綠能的同時現在是你們用火力發電來滿足還沒有綠能成熟情況的缺口這才是現在台灣的問題阿我們發展綠能之外現在我們台灣的火力發電高達幾成深度的節約用電跟科技的儲能我們都一併發展也強化電網同時之下我們對於新的核能技術\n\n13:41.317 --> 13:57.327\n院長你應該很了解現在台灣的發電現況吧我們來看一下台灣2023年統計只有16.9%是低碳發電而高達八成都是火力發電包括燃氣跟燃煤再來\n\n13:58.641 --> 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院長"},{"start":631.147,"end":656.876,"text":"本席拉回來今天在講的所謂的這個追加預算一千億的部分現在今年要再補貼台電一千億明年要再補貼也編列了一千億再加上過去有所謂的強化經濟韌性計劃多補五百億以及過去有兩千五百億的增資其實短短這兩年我們給台電已經近五千億它的一個成長了"},{"start":657.836,"end":672.638,"text":"但是我們要講錯誤的能源政策比貪污可能更恐怖啊我們要問的是說到底現在民進黨為什麼在能源提供永續以及國際大環境的詢視之下是不是還死抱著非核家園這個神主牌"},{"start":674.175,"end":691.131,"text":"包括有廢核家園是環境基本法23條所明定的但也是民進黨主政以及民進黨人數多數之下所以說才去修訂阿我想你應該不否認廢核家園是民進黨神主牌這句話吧不是神主牌是法律的規定所以你現在說是民進黨神主牌我們應該記得歷任的總統"},{"start":694.858,"end":715.98,"text":"對於非核家園都採取正面的態度當然是採取正面態度當然採取正面態度但馬總統當時一直強調是要以核養綠就是認為是說未來有一天當人類的技術跟科技到達一定程度的時候我們可以完全的用綠能取代任何的能源的時候我們當然就要擁抱綠能可是在現在過渡的時候有比"},{"start":717.571,"end":742.367,"text":"核能有比其他能源更加困難而且不現實的情況那就是什麼火力發電啊所以有看到最近COVID-19正在開會嘛童子賢董事長怎麼講核能不是綠能對付的目標啊我們一直強調是核能要對付的是火力發電是燃煤燃氣因為燃煤燃氣的排碳才是大宗下一頁"},{"start":744.942,"end":761.412,"text":"臺灣是不是應該能夠務實地談核能因為COVID-19對於核能的態度是開放的有20幾個國家已經簽署了到2050年核能三倍宣言2050年讓核能成長發電三倍院長有看到這個新聞嗎有您認為呢"},{"start":765.345,"end":792.893,"text":"這29個國家他們是罔顧民意不注重民生還是他們認為說應該要實際務實面對檢探目標院長台灣身為一個現在科技生產的主要國家我們也希望世界大廠能夠來台灣設廠 設立它的研發中心等等那麼他們要求要求綠電的這個強烈要求我們應該滿足所以發展綠能還是現在我們的主力"},{"start":793.453,"end":820.697,"text":"除了發展綠能之外從頭到尾沒有反對阿發展綠能去發展阿本席百分之百雙手贊成發展綠能但是在發展綠能的同時現在是你們用火力發電來滿足還沒有綠能成熟情況的缺口這才是現在台灣的問題阿我們發展綠能之外現在我們台灣的火力發電高達幾成深度的節約用電跟科技的儲能我們都一併發展也強化電網同時之下我們對於新的核能技術"},{"start":821.317,"end":837.327,"text":"院長你應該很了解現在台灣的發電現況吧我們來看一下台灣2023年統計只有16.9%是低碳發電而高達八成都是火力發電包括燃氣跟燃煤再來"},{"start":838.641,"end":861.768,"text":"世界各國怎麼看我們為什麼一直強調是說核能是選擇我們沒有說一定要如果有更好的不排碳的能源可以取代核能用電低廉並且穩定發電我們也希望能夠支持但是現在的技術就是有限制但是核能一直是穩定的發電它不會因為氣候不會因為環境的變化而起伏"},{"start":862.301,"end":885.134,"text":"你看一下當太陽下山的時候其實光電的發電就會消失的來再下一張瑞士他們放棄了非核家園的政策瑞典放棄非核家園的政策義大利放棄了非核家園的政策芬蘭重啟電廠法國以核能科技為傲下一頁義大利宣布要重啟核能下一頁"},{"start":886.365,"end":914.084,"text":"瑞士我們常講瑞士算是我們這個先進國家裡面環境人文都名列前茅的但他們認為他們的發電比例高達44%的核能高達47%的水力太陽能佔8點多趴他們不用火力發電就是因為他們認為是說火力發電其實會影響到整個空污而減少風電跟光電這才能夠讓環境永續"},{"start":916.545,"end":938.045,"text":"好 最後時間有限 但院長我希望你看一下你今天有喊話說陳啟鈺要出來但鄭明謙法務部長他講說南檢是有掌握他的行蹤的所以與其信心喊話你要不要要求一下法務部長應該要叫南檢交人我已經速度要求部長能夠儘速把這個案子辦好出來人怎麼辦"},{"start":968.347,"end":971.916,"text":"院長履行要求保護競速辦理好 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什麼一直強調核能是選擇，我們沒有說百分百、一定要，如果有更好的不排碳能源可以取代核能，用電低廉並且穩定發電，我們也希望能夠支持。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們現在發展小水力。"],["洪委員孟楷：現在的技術就是有限制，但核能一直是穩定的發電，它不會因為氣候，也不會因為環境的變化而起伏。你看一下，當太陽下山的時候，光電的發電就會消失。瑞士放棄了非核家園的政策，瑞典放棄非核家園的政策，義大利放棄了非核家園的政策，芬蘭重啟電廠，法國以核能科技為傲，義大利宣布要重啟核能。我們常講瑞士算是先進國家裡面環境、人文都名列前茅的，但他們認為他們的發電比例高達44%的核能、高達47%的水力、太陽能占八點多%，他們不用火力發電，就是因為他們認為火力發電其實會影響到整個空污，而減少風電跟光電，這才能夠讓環境永續。","最後時間有限，院長，我希望你看一下，你今天有喊話說陳啟昱要出來，但法務部長鄭銘謙講說南檢是有掌握他的行蹤的，所以與其信心喊話，你要不要要求一下法務部長應該要叫南檢交人？"],["卓院長榮泰：我已經數度要求部長能夠儘速把這個案子辦好出來，人……"],["洪委員孟楷：怎麼辦？他已經講說他有掌握行蹤，為什麼到目前為止一個月的時間，他還不見？還要賴總統信心喊話、卓院長溫情喊話？照理講，該怎麼辦就怎麼辦啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：檢調辦案不是我能在這裡指揮的，我希望他能夠專業進行，儘速讓這個人到案。"],["洪委員孟楷：但是法務部長已經有說掌握行蹤，要嘛就是他說謊，要嘛就是他掌握行蹤但是不交人，要嘛就是說有什麼更大咖在包庇他，但不管怎樣，國人都沒有辦法接受，希望院長履行，要求法務部儘速辦理。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，我一定要求法務部這麼做，謝謝。"],["主席：好，謝謝，時間已到，謝謝洪孟楷委員的質詢，謝謝。謝謝卓院長、經濟部長的備詢，謝謝。","接下來我們請登記第11號吳思瑤委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":224,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-9","speakers":["韓國瑜","傅崐萁","張啓楷","洪申翰","林思銘","賴瑞隆","王鴻薇","陳培瑜","黃健豪","蔡易餘","洪孟楷","吳思瑤","廖偉翔","李坤城","張智倫","邱志偉"],"page_start":149,"meetingDate":["2024-11-19"],"gazette_id":"1139501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139501_00003","1139501_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第9次會議紀錄","content":"邀請行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「113年度中央政府總預算追加\n預算案」編製經過並備質詢─ 詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1139501_00013"}}}