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00:02:44,958\n那未來我們運動部成立之後其實棒球外交也是一個非常重要的一個目的之一嘛那我想說我們棒球其實實力這麼堅強那是不是未來在我們的外交這方面棒球外交也有一個再有一個一定重要的角色是的用\n\n8\n00:02:46,260 --> 00:03:13,591\n有台灣原住的國際賽事如果能在台灣舉行對台灣的能見度是非常增高的那麼一樣的我們的運動的好手或是這樣強勁的隊伍能夠到國際賽事上面去進行比賽也將台灣的榮耀帶出去這個都是雙向的那我們也一直對於體育跟運動的發展投下相當多的關注所以未來明年我們希望在大院的支持底下我們的運動部就能夠很順利的完成成功\n\n9\n00:03:14,091 --> 00:03:36,428\n我查了一下規定按照國光獎章的規定世界棒球十二強是符合國光獎章一等二級的獎勵資格所以拿到冠軍的話每個人可獲得700萬亞軍500萬季軍300萬我看到有一些地方政府也紛紛加碼了請問一下我們行政院或是體育署有沒有其他的獎勵或是加碼\n\n10\n00:03:37,639 --> 00:03:54,789\n目前我們是依照現在的獎勵制度啦地方政府會有所表示那很多的國內的大企業也會互相的幫忙加油我覺得這個都是覺得歡迎的除了國光獎章之外我們是不是還有如果拿到冠軍的拿到前三名的有沒有其他額外的獎勵\n\n11\n00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:19,398\n如果在這樣的規定底下那就是國光獎章奧運有奧運亞運有亞運那這個世界棒球比賽它有一定的這個獎勵的規定我們希望大家共襄盛舉因為有好的激烈我相信選手能夠打出更好的成績那我剛才講到這一個運動外交其實我也在期待這個美國職棒大聯盟其實是棒球的最高殿堂\n\n12\n00:04:19,918 --> 00:04:42,514\n他們在2024年就是在這個今年的3月洛杉磯稻妻跟聖地牙哥教師隊在韓國的首爾進行海外戰然後明年呢他們已經確定了在洛杉磯稻妻跟芝加哥小熊會在日本的東京那我是相當期待啦說按照這個台灣的這個棒球的實力\n\n13\n00:04:44,715 --> 00:05:06,973\n這個2026年不知道有沒有機會能夠邀請美國職棒大聯盟來到我們台灣台北大巨蛋來做這個海外的開幕賽如果大巨蛋的營運團隊跟我們的職棒協會都能夠有這樣的想法那需要政府來做後盾的話我覺得我們可以連成起來變成一個黃金鐵三角向國際來爭取增加台灣在國際上的能見度\n\n14\n00:05:07,553 --> 00:05:25,468\n因為打這種海外賽其實像韓國他們有爭取到其實我認為我們台灣也可以爭取到畢竟我們有台灣的選手也曾經在不論是美國職棒隊都打過其實都有這個機會能夠邀請他們來我希望朝著2026年邀請他們來台灣打這個海外賽好不好\n\n15\n00:05:26,673 --> 00:05:41,948\n我們一起去加油今天我們是討論台電的追加預算其實我看你們的報告我們波波台電在113年今年已經要追加預算1000億\n\n16\n00:05:43,610 --> 00:06:01,498\n然後明年我們公務預算也編了一千億那因為台電有虧損虧損的理由大部分你講說是在這個惡霧戰爭我們買燃油的成本就提高了那我們願意給他補助其實也是要降低民生用電他的條幅\n\n17\n00:06:02,654 --> 00:06:23,004\n所以說第一個我們減少累積的虧損也避免台電負債高於資產發生公司法上面的破綻第二個減少舉債也會減輕利息的負擔我看了一下資料2023年以來政府已經編列經費為台電增資了2500億元實收資本額提高到5800億元\n\n18\n00:06:30,049 --> 00:06:30,350\n台電持續虧損2023年撥補500億\n\n19\n00:06:39,140 --> 00:06:54,505\n在2024年就是今年呢我們現在就要討論最佳預算1000億那明年我剛提過公務預算有1000億但是我看了一下台電的決算報告在111年、112年呢仍然是虧損111年虧損了2265億112年虧損了1985億但是我又看到這個今年度113年度這個台電的預算還有實際虧損的情況我發現\n\n20\n00:07:08,831 --> 00:07:31,543\n好像有稍微好轉如果按照這個全年前三季累積的話預算盈虧分配數累積應該是負的1338.8億但是呢按照這個季報的實際盈虧呢這個前三季累積呢是縮小到這個278.3億在第三季的時候有賺了323.4億元\n\n21\n00:07:37,246 --> 00:07:56,480\n查了一下在第三季有賺盈餘的原因第一個是國際油價緩和下降第二個是適度調整工業用電的價格第三7、8、9下月的用電費率比較高所以我就要請教一下院長\n\n22\n00:07:58,181 --> 00:08:23,309\n如果按照這個這個季報的實際盈虧的情況來看的話全年累積的這個這個金額虧損的情況應該不會到這個你們預算就是本來這個預算的盈虧分配數到1887億那你們有算過說到了這個第四季出來之後全年累積大概虧損的情況是怎麼樣如果加上這個\n\n23\n00:08:25,034 --> 00:08:51,303\n最佳預算算在內的話如果不算在內啦因為接下來還不知道會不會進去啦如果不算在內的話可能就沒有這麼樂觀的數字啦那大概多少勒還是我記得是四、五百億左右吧就是四、五百億對對好像四、五百億四、五百億那還是比這個預算的這個盈虧分配數1887還要再低就對了因為我們今年還是有經過十月份的調整\n\n24\n00:08:53,244 --> 00:09:19,721\n這個電價那這個調整也很感謝用電大戶調整的速度幅度是幾乎是我們反映成本的一個狀況所以會比較彌補以前這個成本不足的虧損那所以大概你說院長說大概全年的這個實際上的盈虧大概還是會到四五百億就對了我們都減少這個一千億我們的將會虧損大概五百六十億左右\n\n25\n00:09:20,182 --> 00:09:32,456\n五百六十億左右那所以如果說這個一千餘的追加預算通過之後應該會有一個比較好的但是不會因此而滯滿我覺得這個還是因為補貼的政策不是長久之計剛剛有提到說這個\n\n26\n00:09:36,460 --> 00:09:55,873\n利息因為我們這個利息我看每一度的成本利息支出都偏高根據110年的決算這個利息支出是佔2%到了113年9月利息支出每一度的成本裡面有0.1247是佔利息支出比例是3.42%\n\n27\n00:09:56,994 --> 00:10:17,734\n那從利息支出從0.0811年的0.08到113年的0.12其實是成長了將近50%所以我想請教一下院長就是有沒有辦法減少利息的支出那當然我們撥補預算就會減少利息的支出啦那有沒有辦法再降低每一度這個發電成本讓它再更低一點\n\n28\n00:10:19,147 --> 00:10:33,605\n降低利息因為利息過去這幾年它也有利率的調整再來就是剛剛我們所提到的台電如果虧損繼續擴大的話它的信用評比會降低可能對銀行端來看就會比較有調高利率的可能那\n\n29\n00:10:34,902 --> 00:10:59,138\n剛剛已經有委員建議我們應該朝向公股的行庫去做一些比較優惠性的利率的使用那這個部分的貸款我想台電跟我們的公股行庫應該一對一去做一些努力啦那至於說發電成本的降低未來我們可能用三個方面第一個那就是我們採購像採購這個煤等等它過去有長期但我們希望能夠更靈活的運用這個契約\n\n30\n00:11:00,359 --> 00:11:17,595\n第二個是就是這樣的資金的靈活運用調度可以減少利息跟其他的支出第三個當然希望台電內控上做人事的有效的管理雖然他人事現在非常的辛苦但是我覺得在做有效的管理一定可以再從人事成本上再做合理的調整\n\n31\n00:11:19,164 --> 00:11:44,603\n台電的虧損也不是說一定會這樣持續發生下去那我是希望說按照院長剛才所提示的這個三個方向好好去做不然你看今年我們在討論追加預算那其實明年也就變了一千億那當然明年來看政府稅收可能還是有但是如果說遇到一些情況比如說整體的經濟情勢受到影響或是說有哪一些地方情勢比較不穩\n\n32\n00:11:45,484 --> 00:11:58,718\n那讓我們這個購明的成本又增加那一樣台電又會遇到今年一樣的問題啦那我希望說這個問題不要重複的重複的再發生受國際因素的影響很大那我們盡量努力把它降低到影響讓它減少\n\n33\n00:12:00,748 --> 00:12:23,404\n那再請教一下院長我來自新北市那我給這個院長看一個歷史的資料在2019年8月的時候侯友宜當時是新北市市長當然現在還是啦當時他還沒有要選總統所以他是怎麼講的呢他講說核四是假議題因為燃料棒都不在了他這個是在回應我們現在的院長當時候的國民黨的這個總統的參選人韓國瑜\n\n34\n00:12:29,050 --> 00:12:40,497\n當時國民黨總統參選韓國瑜提出重啟核四這個議題但是新北市長侯友就說核四是假議題因為藍料棒都不在了這是2019年8月的時候隔天他又再講\n\n35\n00:12:41,537 --> 00:13:01,992\n這個沒有能力處理核廢料的就沒有資格用核電因為他那時候沒有要選總統我認為他講話比較實在那這兩句話我請教一下院長核四是假議題嗎因為燃料棒都不在了第二個沒有能力處理核廢料就沒有資格用核電這樣的講法是非常理性的\n\n36\n00:13:02,534 --> 00:13:17,864\n是非常理性的好那我再問一下這個我們賴總統的這個核能政策其實院長都清楚了第一個核一、核二、核三除一是根據法律至於核四重啟與否呢因為已經經過公投了所以沒有重不重啟的這個問題了\n\n37\n00:13:19,065 --> 00:13:45,119\n好那所以呢核四商轉公投不通過之後呢核四呢就沒有重啟的問題只有長指後續如何運用的問題那我查了一下經濟部對核四的一個三大處理原則第一個啦說跟這個在地鄉親溝通第二個保持多元開放選項第三個呢這個因應再生能源發展的需求讓核四資產價值極大化這三個那但是我要請教一下院長這個第一個\n\n38\n00:13:47,318 --> 00:14:01,058\n目前的核四的這個這個地幕還是屬於核能電廠的用地那既然這個核四已經沒有要重啟沒有去運轉的話地幕有沒有機會來做變更這很多鄉親的期待\n\n39\n00:14:02,046 --> 00:14:28,457\n目前我想整個社會討論的空間應該還不至於讓我們有馬上去做這樣變更地幕的努力可是你現在核四不會再用了啊是不會再用但是社會上還是有一些討論的議題嘛那如果說我們能夠取得最大的共識就是核四這個議題讓它不會再發生的話那應該就這個土地的合理使用讓它活化或者做其他更有效益的用途我們才能進到這個方面來談\n\n40\n00:14:28,797 --> 00:14:45,340\n那所以長期來講這地幕是不是要做變更如果未來有草這樣的發展絕對是要進行變更而且對很多土地的損害當時的損害政府也應該有所考慮那第二個就是說那有沒有機會轉做其他的發電廠或是其他的用途來做規劃\n\n41\n00:14:47,231 --> 00:15:04,137\n也不排除啦但是這個還是技術層面的問題啦所以我這個是跟著政策在走喔就政策大方向決定了如果今天核四不重啟了核四不用了然後接下來就要處理說地幕怎麼去做處理接下來再處理說那地幕處理完之後要變成什麼樣的用地啊\n\n42\n00:15:04,617 --> 00:15:24,615\n我認為他如果有做其他的公共的用途的話那也要跟周遭的居民跟地主好好的溝通因為大家忍受了數十年來那個地方現在這個現況我們還要做跟原來徵收目的不一樣的使用我們必須要履行過一定的程序才可以核四工程費用2838億目前列為資產那這些設備資產要如何去處理呢\n\n43\n00:15:29,186 --> 00:15:30,551\n我們會讓設備價值最大化財務損失最小化\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n16929\t40600\t謝謝院長我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢李委員好院長好來院長有沒有看到我手上這條毛巾我身上也有請台灣請台灣那你知道這條毛巾是什麼樣的應援毛巾嗎\n44619\t62348\t這是這一次十二強的應援毛巾然後這個現在我們的蔡啟昌會長也帶了這條毛巾然後到了這個東京那為這個四強的這個超級循環賽為台灣隊加油那院長可不可以利用這個場合為我們的台灣隊的台灣的選手來為他們來加油\n66635\t82510\t這幾天上個禮拜啦整個禮拜我們看到我們台灣隊的選手在場上的表現我們都非常的振奮也給國人很大的信心運動是一個最可以團結國人的一個比賽項目所以我們希望這一次到東京的複賽\n84073\t99026\t在全國國人的祝福加油聲下他們能夠發揮自己個人最好的狀況拿下我們史上最好的成績但是無論如何現在已經是成功的出發我們希望他滿載而歸好希望能夠拿到冠軍對不對\n100512\t121031\t是 要有信心阿這個是我們賴總統講的台灣最好要前進東京然後我也看到這個卓院長在臉書上面那也有這個發布這個照片然後這個祝賀我們的台灣隊選手然後到這個東京參加復賽然後呢 下一張我們看\n122152\t147615\t這個是捷克的這個棒球的選手跟這個我們的賴清德總統擁抱在一起這個平常我們要這樣抱賴總統不太容易但是捷克選手他做到了然後還有這一個看到是這個我們的台灣隊長陳潔憲披著這個捷克的國旗然後捷克選手披著中華民國的國旗這都是相當成功的棒球外交啦\n148436\t164958\t那未來我們運動部成立之後其實棒球外交也是一個非常重要的一個目的之一嘛那我想說我們棒球其實實力這麼堅強那是不是未來在我們的外交這方面棒球外交也有一個再有一個一定重要的角色是的用\n166260\t193591\t有台灣原住的國際賽事如果能在台灣舉行對台灣的能見度是非常增高的那麼一樣的我們的運動的好手或是這樣強勁的隊伍能夠到國際賽事上面去進行比賽也將台灣的榮耀帶出去這個都是雙向的那我們也一直對於體育跟運動的發展投下相當多的關注所以未來明年我們希望在大院的支持底下我們的運動部就能夠很順利的完成成功\n194091\t216428\t我查了一下規定按照國光獎章的規定世界棒球十二強是符合國光獎章一等二級的獎勵資格所以拿到冠軍的話每個人可獲得700萬亞軍500萬 季軍300萬我看到有一些地方政府也紛紛加碼了請問一下我們行政院或是體育署有沒有其他的獎勵或是加碼\n217639\t234789\t目前我們是依照現在的獎勵制度啦地方政府會有所表示那很多的國內的大企業也會互相的幫忙加油我覺得這個都是覺得歡迎的除了國光獎章之外我們是不是還有如果拿到冠軍的拿到前三名的有沒有其他額外的獎勵\n237520\t259398\t如果在這樣的規定底下那就是國光獎章奧運有奧運 亞運有亞運那這個世界棒球比賽它有一定的這個獎勵的規定我們希望大家共襄盛舉因為有好的激烈我相信選手能夠打出更好的成績那我剛才講到這一個運動外交其實我也在期待這個美國職棒大聯盟其實是棒球的最高殿堂\n259918\t282514\t他們在2024年就是在這個今年的3月洛杉磯稻妻跟聖地牙哥教師隊在韓國的首爾進行海外戰然後明年呢他們已經確定了在洛杉磯稻妻跟芝加哥小熊會在日本的東京那我是相當期待啦說按照這個台灣的這個棒球的實力\n284715\t306973\t這個2026年不知道有沒有機會能夠邀請美國職棒大聯盟來到我們台灣台北大巨蛋來做這個海外的開幕賽如果大巨蛋的營運團隊跟我們的職棒協會都能夠有這樣的想法那需要政府來做後盾的話我覺得我們可以連成起來變成一個黃金鐵三角向國際來爭取增加台灣在國際上的能見度\n307553\t325468\t因為打這種海外賽其實像韓國他們有爭取到其實我認為我們台灣也可以爭取到畢竟我們有台灣的選手也曾經在不論是美國職棒隊都打過其實都有這個機會能夠邀請他們來我希望朝著2026年邀請他們來台灣打這個海外賽好不好\n326673\t341948\t我們一起去加油今天我們是討論台電的追加預算其實我看你們的報告我們波波台電在113年今年已經要追加預算1000億\n343610\t361498\t然後明年我們公務預算也編了一千億那因為台電有虧損虧損的理由大部分你講說是在這個惡霧戰爭我們買燃油的成本就提高了那我們願意給他補助其實也是要降低民生用電他的條幅\n362654\t383004\t所以說第一個我們減少累積的虧損也避免台電負債高於資產發生公司法上面的破綻第二個減少舉債也會減輕利息的負擔我看了一下資料2023年以來政府已經編列經費為台電增資了2500億元實收資本額提高到5800億元\n390049\t390350\t台電持續虧損2023年撥補500億\n399140\t414505\t在2024年就是今年呢我們現在就要討論最佳預算1000億那明年我剛提過公務預算有1000億但是我看了一下台電的決算報告在111年、112年呢仍然是虧損111年虧損了2265億112年虧損了1985億但是我又看到這個今年度113年度這個台電的預算還有實際虧損的情況我發現\n428831\t451543\t好像有稍微好轉如果按照這個全年前三季累積的話預算盈虧分配數累積應該是負的1338.8億但是呢按照這個季報的實際盈虧呢這個前三季累積呢是縮小到這個278.3億在第三季的時候有賺了323.4億元\n457246\t476480\t查了一下在第三季有賺盈餘的原因第一個是國際油價緩和下降第二個是適度調整工業用電的價格第三7、8、9下月的用電費率比較高所以我就要請教一下院長\n478181\t503309\t如果按照這個這個季報的實際盈虧的情況來看的話全年累積的這個這個金額虧損的情況應該不會到這個你們預算就是本來這個預算的盈虧分配數到1887億那你們有算過說到了這個第四季出來之後全年累積大概虧損的情況是怎麼樣如果加上這個\n505034\t531303\t最佳預算算在內的話如果不算在內啦因為接下來還不知道會不會進去啦如果不算在內的話可能就沒有這麼樂觀的數字啦那大概多少勒還是我記得是四、五百億左右吧就是四、五百億對對好像四、五百億四、五百億那還是比這個預算的這個盈虧分配數1887還要再低就對了因為我們今年還是有經過十月份的調整\n533244\t559721\t這個電價那這個調整也很感謝用電大戶調整的速度幅度是幾乎是我們反映成本的一個狀況所以會比較彌補以前這個成本不足的虧損那所以大概你說院長說大概全年的這個實際上的盈虧大概還是會到四五百億就對了我們都減少這個一千億我們的將會虧損大概五百六十億左右\n560182\t572456\t五百六十億左右那所以如果說這個一千餘的追加預算通過之後應該會有一個比較好的但是不會因此而滯滿我覺得這個還是因為補貼的政策不是長久之計剛剛有提到說這個\n576460\t595873\t利息因為我們這個利息我看每一度的成本利息支出都偏高根據110年的決算這個利息支出是佔2%到了113年9月利息支出每一度的成本裡面有0.1247是佔利息支出比例是3.42%\n596994\t617734\t那從利息支出從0.0811年的0.08到113年的0.12其實是成長了將近50%所以我想請教一下院長就是有沒有辦法減少利息的支出那當然我們撥補預算就會減少利息的支出啦那有沒有辦法再降低每一度這個發電成本讓它再更低一點\n619147\t633605\t降低利息因為利息過去這幾年它也有利率的調整再來就是剛剛我們所提到的台電如果虧損繼續擴大的話它的信用評比會降低可能對銀行端來看就會比較有調高利率的可能那\n634902\t659138\t剛剛已經有委員建議我們應該朝向公股的行庫去做一些比較優惠性的利率的使用那這個部分的貸款我想台電跟我們的公股行庫應該一對一去做一些努力啦那至於說發電成本的降低未來我們可能用三個方面第一個那就是我們採購像採購這個煤等等它過去有長期但我們希望能夠更靈活的運用這個契約\n660359\t677595\t第二個是就是這樣的資金的靈活運用調度可以減少利息跟其他的支出第三個當然希望台電內控上做人事的有效的管理雖然他人事現在非常的辛苦但是我覺得在做有效的管理一定可以再從人事成本上再做合理的調整\n679164\t704603\t台電的虧損也不是說一定會這樣持續發生下去那我是希望說按照院長剛才所提示的這個三個方向好好去做不然你看今年我們在討論追加預算那其實明年也就變了一千億那當然明年來看政府稅收可能還是有但是如果說遇到一些情況比如說整體的經濟情勢受到影響或是說有哪一些地方情勢比較不穩\n705484\t718718\t那讓我們這個購明的成本又增加那一樣台電又會遇到今年一樣的問題啦那我希望說這個問題不要重複的重複的再發生受國際因素的影響很大那我們盡量努力把它降低到影響讓它減少\n720748\t743404\t那再請教一下院長我來自新北市那我給這個院長看一個歷史的資料在2019年8月的時候侯友宜當時是新北市市長當然現在還是啦當時他還沒有要選總統所以他是怎麼講的呢他講說核四是假議題因為燃料棒都不在了他這個是在回應我們現在的院長當時候的國民黨的這個總統的參選人韓國瑜\n749050\t760497\t當時國民黨總統參選韓國瑜提出重啟核四這個議題但是新北市長侯友就說核四是假議題因為藍料棒都不在了這是2019年8月的時候隔天他又再講\n761537\t781992\t這個沒有能力處理核廢料的就沒有資格用核電因為他那時候沒有要選總統我認為他講話比較實在那這兩句話我請教一下院長核四是假議題嗎因為燃料棒都不在了第二個沒有能力處理核廢料就沒有資格用核電這樣的講法是非常理性的\n782534\t797864\t是非常理性的好 那我再問一下這個我們賴總統的這個核能政策其實院長都清楚了第一個核一、核二、核三除一是根據法律至於核四重啟與否呢因為已經經過公投了所以沒有重不重啟的這個問題了\n799065\t825119\t好那所以呢核四商轉公投不通過之後呢核四呢就沒有重啟的問題只有長指後續如何運用的問題那我查了一下經濟部對核四的一個三大處理原則第一個啦說跟這個在地鄉親溝通第二個保持多元開放選項第三個呢這個因應再生能源發展的需求讓核四資產價值極大化這三個那但是我要請教一下院長這個第一個\n827318\t841058\t目前的核四的這個這個地幕還是屬於核能電廠的用地那既然這個核四已經沒有要重啟沒有去運轉的話地幕有沒有機會來做變更這很多鄉親的期待\n842046\t868457\t目前我想整個社會討論的空間應該還不至於讓我們有馬上去做這樣變更地幕的努力可是你現在核四不會再用了啊是不會再用但是社會上還是有一些討論的議題嘛那如果說我們能夠取得最大的共識就是核四這個議題讓它不會再發生的話那應該就這個土地的合理使用讓它活化或者做其他更有效益的用途我們才能進到這個方面來談\n868797\t885340\t那所以長期來講這地幕是不是要做變更如果未來有草這樣的發展絕對是要進行變更而且對很多土地的損害當時的損害政府也應該有所考慮那第二個就是說那有沒有機會轉做其他的發電廠或是其他的用途來做規劃\n887231\t904137\t也不排除啦但是這個還是技術層面的問題啦所以我這個是跟著政策在走喔就政策大方向決定了如果今天核四不重啟了核四不用了然後接下來就要處理說地幕怎麼去做處理接下來再處理說那地幕處理完之後要變成什麼樣的用地啊\n904617\t924615\t我認為他如果有做其他的公共的用途的話那也要跟周遭的居民跟地主好好的溝通因為大家忍受了數十年來那個地方現在這個現況我們還要做跟原來徵收目的不一樣的使用我們必須要履行過一定的程序才可以核四工程費用2838億目前列為資產那這些設備資產要如何去處理呢\n929186\t930551\t我們會讓設備價值最大化財務損失最小化\n979906\t980350\t謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝院長我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢李委員好院長好來院長有沒有看到我手上這條毛巾我身上也有請台灣請台灣那你知道這條毛巾是什麼樣的應援毛巾嗎\n這是這一次十二強的應援毛巾然後這個現在我們的蔡啟昌會長也帶了這條毛巾然後到了這個東京那為這個四強的這個超級循環賽為台灣隊加油那院長可不可以利用這個場合為我們的台灣隊的台灣的選手來為他們來加油\n這幾天上個禮拜啦整個禮拜我們看到我們台灣隊的選手在場上的表現我們都非常的振奮也給國人很大的信心運動是一個最可以團結國人的一個比賽項目所以我們希望這一次到東京的複賽\n在全國國人的祝福加油聲下他們能夠發揮自己個人最好的狀況拿下我們史上最好的成績但是無論如何現在已經是成功的出發我們希望他滿載而歸好希望能夠拿到冠軍對不對\n是 要有信心阿這個是我們賴總統講的台灣最好要前進東京然後我也看到這個卓院長在臉書上面那也有這個發布這個照片然後這個祝賀我們的台灣隊選手然後到這個東京參加復賽然後呢 下一張我們看\n這個是捷克的這個棒球的選手跟這個我們的賴清德總統擁抱在一起這個平常我們要這樣抱賴總統不太容易但是捷克選手他做到了然後還有這一個看到是這個我們的台灣隊長陳潔憲披著這個捷克的國旗然後捷克選手披著中華民國的國旗這都是相當成功的棒球外交啦\n那未來我們運動部成立之後其實棒球外交也是一個非常重要的一個目的之一嘛那我想說我們棒球其實實力這麼堅強那是不是未來在我們的外交這方面棒球外交也有一個再有一個一定重要的角色是的用\n有台灣原住的國際賽事如果能在台灣舉行對台灣的能見度是非常增高的那麼一樣的我們的運動的好手或是這樣強勁的隊伍能夠到國際賽事上面去進行比賽也將台灣的榮耀帶出去這個都是雙向的那我們也一直對於體育跟運動的發展投下相當多的關注所以未來明年我們希望在大院的支持底下我們的運動部就能夠很順利的完成成功\n我查了一下規定按照國光獎章的規定世界棒球十二強是符合國光獎章一等二級的獎勵資格所以拿到冠軍的話每個人可獲得700萬亞軍500萬 季軍300萬我看到有一些地方政府也紛紛加碼了請問一下我們行政院或是體育署有沒有其他的獎勵或是加碼\n目前我們是依照現在的獎勵制度啦地方政府會有所表示那很多的國內的大企業也會互相的幫忙加油我覺得這個都是覺得歡迎的除了國光獎章之外我們是不是還有如果拿到冠軍的拿到前三名的有沒有其他額外的獎勵\n如果在這樣的規定底下那就是國光獎章奧運有奧運 亞運有亞運那這個世界棒球比賽它有一定的這個獎勵的規定我們希望大家共襄盛舉因為有好的激烈我相信選手能夠打出更好的成績那我剛才講到這一個運動外交其實我也在期待這個美國職棒大聯盟其實是棒球的最高殿堂\n他們在2024年就是在這個今年的3月洛杉磯稻妻跟聖地牙哥教師隊在韓國的首爾進行海外戰然後明年呢他們已經確定了在洛杉磯稻妻跟芝加哥小熊會在日本的東京那我是相當期待啦說按照這個台灣的這個棒球的實力\n這個2026年不知道有沒有機會能夠邀請美國職棒大聯盟來到我們台灣台北大巨蛋來做這個海外的開幕賽如果大巨蛋的營運團隊跟我們的職棒協會都能夠有這樣的想法那需要政府來做後盾的話我覺得我們可以連成起來變成一個黃金鐵三角向國際來爭取增加台灣在國際上的能見度\n因為打這種海外賽其實像韓國他們有爭取到其實我認為我們台灣也可以爭取到畢竟我們有台灣的選手也曾經在不論是美國職棒隊都打過其實都有這個機會能夠邀請他們來我希望朝著2026年邀請他們來台灣打這個海外賽好不好\n我們一起去加油今天我們是討論台電的追加預算其實我看你們的報告我們波波台電在113年今年已經要追加預算1000億\n然後明年我們公務預算也編了一千億那因為台電有虧損虧損的理由大部分你講說是在這個惡霧戰爭我們買燃油的成本就提高了那我們願意給他補助其實也是要降低民生用電他的條幅\n所以說第一個我們減少累積的虧損也避免台電負債高於資產發生公司法上面的破綻第二個減少舉債也會減輕利息的負擔我看了一下資料2023年以來政府已經編列經費為台電增資了2500億元實收資本額提高到5800億元\n台電持續虧損2023年撥補500億\n在2024年就是今年呢我們現在就要討論最佳預算1000億那明年我剛提過公務預算有1000億但是我看了一下台電的決算報告在111年、112年呢仍然是虧損111年虧損了2265億112年虧損了1985億但是我又看到這個今年度113年度這個台電的預算還有實際虧損的情況我發現\n好像有稍微好轉如果按照這個全年前三季累積的話預算盈虧分配數累積應該是負的1338.8億但是呢按照這個季報的實際盈虧呢這個前三季累積呢是縮小到這個278.3億在第三季的時候有賺了323.4億元\n查了一下在第三季有賺盈餘的原因第一個是國際油價緩和下降第二個是適度調整工業用電的價格第三7、8、9下月的用電費率比較高所以我就要請教一下院長\n如果按照這個這個季報的實際盈虧的情況來看的話全年累積的這個這個金額虧損的情況應該不會到這個你們預算就是本來這個預算的盈虧分配數到1887億那你們有算過說到了這個第四季出來之後全年累積大概虧損的情況是怎麼樣如果加上這個\n最佳預算算在內的話如果不算在內啦因為接下來還不知道會不會進去啦如果不算在內的話可能就沒有這麼樂觀的數字啦那大概多少勒還是我記得是四、五百億左右吧就是四、五百億對對好像四、五百億四、五百億那還是比這個預算的這個盈虧分配數1887還要再低就對了因為我們今年還是有經過十月份的調整\n這個電價那這個調整也很感謝用電大戶調整的速度幅度是幾乎是我們反映成本的一個狀況所以會比較彌補以前這個成本不足的虧損那所以大概你說院長說大概全年的這個實際上的盈虧大概還是會到四五百億就對了我們都減少這個一千億我們的將會虧損大概五百六十億左右\n五百六十億左右那所以如果說這個一千餘的追加預算通過之後應該會有一個比較好的但是不會因此而滯滿我覺得這個還是因為補貼的政策不是長久之計剛剛有提到說這個\n利息因為我們這個利息我看每一度的成本利息支出都偏高根據110年的決算這個利息支出是佔2%到了113年9月利息支出每一度的成本裡面有0.1247是佔利息支出比例是3.42%\n那從利息支出從0.0811年的0.08到113年的0.12其實是成長了將近50%所以我想請教一下院長就是有沒有辦法減少利息的支出那當然我們撥補預算就會減少利息的支出啦那有沒有辦法再降低每一度這個發電成本讓它再更低一點\n降低利息因為利息過去這幾年它也有利率的調整再來就是剛剛我們所提到的台電如果虧損繼續擴大的話它的信用評比會降低可能對銀行端來看就會比較有調高利率的可能那\n剛剛已經有委員建議我們應該朝向公股的行庫去做一些比較優惠性的利率的使用那這個部分的貸款我想台電跟我們的公股行庫應該一對一去做一些努力啦那至於說發電成本的降低未來我們可能用三個方面第一個那就是我們採購像採購這個煤等等它過去有長期但我們希望能夠更靈活的運用這個契約\n第二個是就是這樣的資金的靈活運用調度可以減少利息跟其他的支出第三個當然希望台電內控上做人事的有效的管理雖然他人事現在非常的辛苦但是我覺得在做有效的管理一定可以再從人事成本上再做合理的調整\n台電的虧損也不是說一定會這樣持續發生下去那我是希望說按照院長剛才所提示的這個三個方向好好去做不然你看今年我們在討論追加預算那其實明年也就變了一千億那當然明年來看政府稅收可能還是有但是如果說遇到一些情況比如說整體的經濟情勢受到影響或是說有哪一些地方情勢比較不穩\n那讓我們這個購明的成本又增加那一樣台電又會遇到今年一樣的問題啦那我希望說這個問題不要重複的重複的再發生受國際因素的影響很大那我們盡量努力把它降低到影響讓它減少\n那再請教一下院長我來自新北市那我給這個院長看一個歷史的資料在2019年8月的時候侯友宜當時是新北市市長當然現在還是啦當時他還沒有要選總統所以他是怎麼講的呢他講說核四是假議題因為燃料棒都不在了他這個是在回應我們現在的院長當時候的國民黨的這個總統的參選人韓國瑜\n當時國民黨總統參選韓國瑜提出重啟核四這個議題但是新北市長侯友就說核四是假議題因為藍料棒都不在了這是2019年8月的時候隔天他又再講\n這個沒有能力處理核廢料的就沒有資格用核電因為他那時候沒有要選總統我認為他講話比較實在那這兩句話我請教一下院長核四是假議題嗎因為燃料棒都不在了第二個沒有能力處理核廢料就沒有資格用核電這樣的講法是非常理性的\n是非常理性的好 那我再問一下這個我們賴總統的這個核能政策其實院長都清楚了第一個核一、核二、核三除一是根據法律至於核四重啟與否呢因為已經經過公投了所以沒有重不重啟的這個問題了\n好那所以呢核四商轉公投不通過之後呢核四呢就沒有重啟的問題只有長指後續如何運用的問題那我查了一下經濟部對核四的一個三大處理原則第一個啦說跟這個在地鄉親溝通第二個保持多元開放選項第三個呢這個因應再生能源發展的需求讓核四資產價值極大化這三個那但是我要請教一下院長這個第一個\n目前的核四的這個這個地幕還是屬於核能電廠的用地那既然這個核四已經沒有要重啟沒有去運轉的話地幕有沒有機會來做變更這很多鄉親的期待\n目前我想整個社會討論的空間應該還不至於讓我們有馬上去做這樣變更地幕的努力可是你現在核四不會再用了啊是不會再用但是社會上還是有一些討論的議題嘛那如果說我們能夠取得最大的共識就是核四這個議題讓它不會再發生的話那應該就這個土地的合理使用讓它活化或者做其他更有效益的用途我們才能進到這個方面來談\n那所以長期來講這地幕是不是要做變更如果未來有草這樣的發展絕對是要進行變更而且對很多土地的損害當時的損害政府也應該有所考慮那第二個就是說那有沒有機會轉做其他的發電廠或是其他的用途來做規劃\n也不排除啦但是這個還是技術層面的問題啦所以我這個是跟著政策在走喔就政策大方向決定了如果今天核四不重啟了核四不用了然後接下來就要處理說地幕怎麼去做處理接下來再處理說那地幕處理完之後要變成什麼樣的用地啊\n我認為他如果有做其他的公共的用途的話那也要跟周遭的居民跟地主好好的溝通因為大家忍受了數十年來那個地方現在這個現況我們還要做跟原來徵收目的不一樣的使用我們必須要履行過一定的程序才可以核四工程費用2838億目前列為資產那這些設備資產要如何去處理呢\n我們會讓設備價值最大化財務損失最小化\n謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:16.929 --> 00:40.600\n謝謝院長我們請卓院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢李委員好院長好來院長有沒有看到我手上這條毛巾我身上也有請台灣請台灣那你知道這條毛巾是什麼樣的應援毛巾嗎\n\n00:44.619 --> 01:02.348\n這是這一次十二強的應援毛巾然後這個現在我們的蔡啟昌會長也帶了這條毛巾然後到了這個東京那為這個四強的這個超級循環賽為台灣隊加油那院長可不可以利用這個場合為我們的台灣隊的台灣的選手來為他們來加油\n\n01:06.635 --> 01:22.510\n這幾天上個禮拜啦整個禮拜我們看到我們台灣隊的選手在場上的表現我們都非常的振奮也給國人很大的信心運動是一個最可以團結國人的一個比賽項目所以我們希望這一次到東京的複賽\n\n01:24.073 --> 01:39.026\n在全國國人的祝福加油聲下他們能夠發揮自己個人最好的狀況拿下我們史上最好的成績但是無論如何現在已經是成功的出發我們希望他滿載而歸好希望能夠拿到冠軍對不對\n\n01:40.512 --> 02:01.031\n是要有信心阿這個是我們賴總統講的台灣最好要前進東京然後我也看到這個卓院長在臉書上面那也有這個發布這個照片然後這個祝賀我們的台灣隊選手然後到這個東京參加復賽然後呢下一張我們看\n\n02:02.152 --> 02:27.615\n這個是捷克的這個棒球的選手跟這個我們的賴清德總統擁抱在一起這個平常我們要這樣抱賴總統不太容易但是捷克選手他做到了然後還有這一個看到是這個我們的台灣隊長陳潔憲披著這個捷克的國旗然後捷克選手披著中華民國的國旗這都是相當成功的棒球外交啦\n\n02:28.436 --> 02:44.958\n那未來我們運動部成立之後其實棒球外交也是一個非常重要的一個目的之一嘛那我想說我們棒球其實實力這麼堅強那是不是未來在我們的外交這方面棒球外交也有一個再有一個一定重要的角色是的用\n\n02:46.260 --> 03:13.591\n有台灣原住的國際賽事如果能在台灣舉行對台灣的能見度是非常增高的那麼一樣的我們的運動的好手或是這樣強勁的隊伍能夠到國際賽事上面去進行比賽也將台灣的榮耀帶出去這個都是雙向的那我們也一直對於體育跟運動的發展投下相當多的關注所以未來明年我們希望在大院的支持底下我們的運動部就能夠很順利的完成成功\n\n03:14.091 --> 03:36.428\n我查了一下規定按照國光獎章的規定世界棒球十二強是符合國光獎章一等二級的獎勵資格所以拿到冠軍的話每個人可獲得700萬亞軍500萬季軍300萬我看到有一些地方政府也紛紛加碼了請問一下我們行政院或是體育署有沒有其他的獎勵或是加碼\n\n03:37.639 --> 03:54.789\n目前我們是依照現在的獎勵制度啦地方政府會有所表示那很多的國內的大企業也會互相的幫忙加油我覺得這個都是覺得歡迎的除了國光獎章之外我們是不是還有如果拿到冠軍的拿到前三名的有沒有其他額外的獎勵\n\n03:57.520 --> 04:19.398\n如果在這樣的規定底下那就是國光獎章奧運有奧運亞運有亞運那這個世界棒球比賽它有一定的這個獎勵的規定我們希望大家共襄盛舉因為有好的激烈我相信選手能夠打出更好的成績那我剛才講到這一個運動外交其實我也在期待這個美國職棒大聯盟其實是棒球的最高殿堂\n\n04:19.918 --> 04:42.514\n他們在2024年就是在這個今年的3月洛杉磯稻妻跟聖地牙哥教師隊在韓國的首爾進行海外戰然後明年呢他們已經確定了在洛杉磯稻妻跟芝加哥小熊會在日本的東京那我是相當期待啦說按照這個台灣的這個棒球的實力\n\n04:44.715 --> 05:06.973\n這個2026年不知道有沒有機會能夠邀請美國職棒大聯盟來到我們台灣台北大巨蛋來做這個海外的開幕賽如果大巨蛋的營運團隊跟我們的職棒協會都能夠有這樣的想法那需要政府來做後盾的話我覺得我們可以連成起來變成一個黃金鐵三角向國際來爭取增加台灣在國際上的能見度\n\n05:07.553 --> 05:25.468\n因為打這種海外賽其實像韓國他們有爭取到其實我認為我們台灣也可以爭取到畢竟我們有台灣的選手也曾經在不論是美國職棒隊都打過其實都有這個機會能夠邀請他們來我希望朝著2026年邀請他們來台灣打這個海外賽好不好\n\n05:26.673 --> 05:41.948\n我們一起去加油今天我們是討論台電的追加預算其實我看你們的報告我們波波台電在113年今年已經要追加預算1000億\n\n05:43.610 --> 06:01.498\n然後明年我們公務預算也編了一千億那因為台電有虧損虧損的理由大部分你講說是在這個惡霧戰爭我們買燃油的成本就提高了那我們願意給他補助其實也是要降低民生用電他的條幅\n\n06:02.654 --> 06:23.004\n所以說第一個我們減少累積的虧損也避免台電負債高於資產發生公司法上面的破綻第二個減少舉債也會減輕利息的負擔我看了一下資料2023年以來政府已經編列經費為台電增資了2500億元實收資本額提高到5800億元\n\n06:30.049 --> 06:30.350\n台電持續虧損2023年撥補500億\n\n06:39.140 --> 06:54.505\n在2024年就是今年呢我們現在就要討論最佳預算1000億那明年我剛提過公務預算有1000億但是我看了一下台電的決算報告在111年、112年呢仍然是虧損111年虧損了2265億112年虧損了1985億但是我又看到這個今年度113年度這個台電的預算還有實際虧損的情況我發現\n\n07:08.831 --> 07:31.543\n好像有稍微好轉如果按照這個全年前三季累積的話預算盈虧分配數累積應該是負的1338.8億但是呢按照這個季報的實際盈虧呢這個前三季累積呢是縮小到這個278.3億在第三季的時候有賺了323.4億元\n\n07:37.246 --> 07:56.480\n查了一下在第三季有賺盈餘的原因第一個是國際油價緩和下降第二個是適度調整工業用電的價格第三7、8、9下月的用電費率比較高所以我就要請教一下院長\n\n07:58.181 --> 08:23.309\n如果按照這個這個季報的實際盈虧的情況來看的話全年累積的這個這個金額虧損的情況應該不會到這個你們預算就是本來這個預算的盈虧分配數到1887億那你們有算過說到了這個第四季出來之後全年累積大概虧損的情況是怎麼樣如果加上這個\n\n08:25.034 --> 08:51.303\n最佳預算算在內的話如果不算在內啦因為接下來還不知道會不會進去啦如果不算在內的話可能就沒有這麼樂觀的數字啦那大概多少勒還是我記得是四、五百億左右吧就是四、五百億對對好像四、五百億四、五百億那還是比這個預算的這個盈虧分配數1887還要再低就對了因為我們今年還是有經過十月份的調整\n\n08:53.244 --> 09:19.721\n這個電價那這個調整也很感謝用電大戶調整的速度幅度是幾乎是我們反映成本的一個狀況所以會比較彌補以前這個成本不足的虧損那所以大概你說院長說大概全年的這個實際上的盈虧大概還是會到四五百億就對了我們都減少這個一千億我們的將會虧損大概五百六十億左右\n\n09:20.182 --> 09:32.456\n五百六十億左右那所以如果說這個一千餘的追加預算通過之後應該會有一個比較好的但是不會因此而滯滿我覺得這個還是因為補貼的政策不是長久之計剛剛有提到說這個\n\n09:36.460 --> 09:55.873\n利息因為我們這個利息我看每一度的成本利息支出都偏高根據110年的決算這個利息支出是佔2%到了113年9月利息支出每一度的成本裡面有0.1247是佔利息支出比例是3.42%\n\n09:56.994 --> 10:17.734\n那從利息支出從0.0811年的0.08到113年的0.12其實是成長了將近50%所以我想請教一下院長就是有沒有辦法減少利息的支出那當然我們撥補預算就會減少利息的支出啦那有沒有辦法再降低每一度這個發電成本讓它再更低一點\n\n10:19.147 --> 10:33.605\n降低利息因為利息過去這幾年它也有利率的調整再來就是剛剛我們所提到的台電如果虧損繼續擴大的話它的信用評比會降低可能對銀行端來看就會比較有調高利率的可能那\n\n10:34.902 --> 10:59.138\n剛剛已經有委員建議我們應該朝向公股的行庫去做一些比較優惠性的利率的使用那這個部分的貸款我想台電跟我們的公股行庫應該一對一去做一些努力啦那至於說發電成本的降低未來我們可能用三個方面第一個那就是我們採購像採購這個煤等等它過去有長期但我們希望能夠更靈活的運用這個契約\n\n11:00.359 --> 11:17.595\n第二個是就是這樣的資金的靈活運用調度可以減少利息跟其他的支出第三個當然希望台電內控上做人事的有效的管理雖然他人事現在非常的辛苦但是我覺得在做有效的管理一定可以再從人事成本上再做合理的調整\n\n11:19.164 --> 11:44.603\n台電的虧損也不是說一定會這樣持續發生下去那我是希望說按照院長剛才所提示的這個三個方向好好去做不然你看今年我們在討論追加預算那其實明年也就變了一千億那當然明年來看政府稅收可能還是有但是如果說遇到一些情況比如說整體的經濟情勢受到影響或是說有哪一些地方情勢比較不穩\n\n11:45.484 --> 11:58.718\n那讓我們這個購明的成本又增加那一樣台電又會遇到今年一樣的問題啦那我希望說這個問題不要重複的重複的再發生受國際因素的影響很大那我們盡量努力把它降低到影響讓它減少\n\n12:00.748 --> 12:23.404\n那再請教一下院長我來自新北市那我給這個院長看一個歷史的資料在2019年8月的時候侯友宜當時是新北市市長當然現在還是啦當時他還沒有要選總統所以他是怎麼講的呢他講說核四是假議題因為燃料棒都不在了他這個是在回應我們現在的院長當時候的國民黨的這個總統的參選人韓國瑜\n\n12:29.050 --> 12:40.497\n當時國民黨總統參選韓國瑜提出重啟核四這個議題但是新北市長侯友就說核四是假議題因為藍料棒都不在了這是2019年8月的時候隔天他又再講\n\n12:41.537 --> 13:01.992\n這個沒有能力處理核廢料的就沒有資格用核電因為他那時候沒有要選總統我認為他講話比較實在那這兩句話我請教一下院長核四是假議題嗎因為燃料棒都不在了第二個沒有能力處理核廢料就沒有資格用核電這樣的講法是非常理性的\n\n13:02.534 --> 13:17.864\n是非常理性的好那我再問一下這個我們賴總統的這個核能政策其實院長都清楚了第一個核一、核二、核三除一是根據法律至於核四重啟與否呢因為已經經過公投了所以沒有重不重啟的這個問題了\n\n13:19.065 --> 13:45.119\n好那所以呢核四商轉公投不通過之後呢核四呢就沒有重啟的問題只有長指後續如何運用的問題那我查了一下經濟部對核四的一個三大處理原則第一個啦說跟這個在地鄉親溝通第二個保持多元開放選項第三個呢這個因應再生能源發展的需求讓核四資產價值極大化這三個那但是我要請教一下院長這個第一個\n\n13:47.318 --> 14:01.058\n目前的核四的這個這個地幕還是屬於核能電廠的用地那既然這個核四已經沒有要重啟沒有去運轉的話地幕有沒有機會來做變更這很多鄉親的期待\n\n14:02.046 --> 14:28.457\n目前我想整個社會討論的空間應該還不至於讓我們有馬上去做這樣變更地幕的努力可是你現在核四不會再用了啊是不會再用但是社會上還是有一些討論的議題嘛那如果說我們能夠取得最大的共識就是核四這個議題讓它不會再發生的話那應該就這個土地的合理使用讓它活化或者做其他更有效益的用途我們才能進到這個方面來談\n\n14:28.797 --> 14:45.340\n那所以長期來講這地幕是不是要做變更如果未來有草這樣的發展絕對是要進行變更而且對很多土地的損害當時的損害政府也應該有所考慮那第二個就是說那有沒有機會轉做其他的發電廠或是其他的用途來做規劃\n\n14:47.231 --> 15:04.137\n也不排除啦但是這個還是技術層面的問題啦所以我這個是跟著政策在走喔就政策大方向決定了如果今天核四不重啟了核四不用了然後接下來就要處理說地幕怎麼去做處理接下來再處理說那地幕處理完之後要變成什麼樣的用地啊\n\n15:04.617 --> 15:24.615\n我認為他如果有做其他的公共的用途的話那也要跟周遭的居民跟地主好好的溝通因為大家忍受了數十年來那個地方現在這個現況我們還要做跟原來徵收目的不一樣的使用我們必須要履行過一定的程序才可以核四工程費用2838億目前列為資產那這些設備資產要如何去處理呢\n\n15:29.186 --> 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TAIWAN。"],["李委員坤城：你知道這條毛巾是什麼樣的應援毛巾嗎？"],["卓院長榮泰：這是職棒的。"],["李委員坤城：這是這一次十二強的應援毛巾。"],["卓院長榮泰：對，是。"],["李委員坤城：現在我們的蔡其昌會長也帶了這條毛巾到東京，來為四強的超級循環賽，為臺灣隊來加油。院長，可不可以利用這個場合，為我們臺灣隊的選手加油？"],["卓院長榮泰：好，這幾天，上個禮拜啦，整個禮拜我們看到臺灣隊的選手在場上的表現，我們都非常地振奮，也給國人很大的信心。運動是一個最可以團結國人的比賽項目，所以我們希望這一次到東京的複賽，在全國國人的祝福、加油聲下，他們能夠發揮自己個人最好的狀況，拿下我們史上最好的成績！但是無論如何，現在已經成功的出發，我們希望他們滿載而歸。"],["李委員坤城：好，希望能夠拿到冠軍，對不對？"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["李委員坤城：要有信心啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：對。"],["李委員坤城：這個是我們賴總統講的：「臺灣尚勇！前進東京！」然後我也看到卓院長在臉書上面也有發布照片，祝賀我們臺灣隊的選手到東京參加複賽。下一張我們看到，這個是捷克的棒球選手跟我們的賴清德總統擁抱在一起，平常我們要這樣抱賴總統不太容易，但是捷克選手做到了！還有，我們看到的是，我們臺灣隊的隊長陳傑憲披著捷克的國旗，然後捷克選手披著中華民國的國旗，這都是相當成功的棒球外交！未來我們運動部成立之後，其實棒球外交也是非常重要的目的之一嘛。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["李委員坤城：我想我們棒球的實力這麼堅強，是不是未來在我們的外交這方面，棒球外交也占有一定重要的角色？"],["卓院長榮泰：是的，有臺灣元素的國際賽事，如果能在臺灣舉行，對臺灣能見度的增高是非常有益的，那麼一樣的，我們的運動好手或是這樣強勁的隊伍，能夠到國際賽事上面去進行比賽，也會將臺灣的榮耀帶出去，這個都是雙向的。我們也一直對於體育跟運動的發展投下相當多的關注，所以未來、明年，我們希望在大院的支持底下，我們的運動部能夠很順利地完成、成功。"],["李委員坤城：好，我查了一下規定，按照國光獎章的規定，世界棒球十二強是符合國光獎章一等二級的獎勵資格，所以拿到冠軍的話，每個人可獲得700萬，亞軍500萬，季軍300萬，我看到有一些地方政府也紛紛加碼了，請問一下，行政院或是體育署有沒有其他的獎勵或是加碼？"],["卓院長榮泰：目前我們是只能依照現在的獎勵制度，地方政府會有所表示，很多國內的大企業也會互相的幫忙、加油，我覺得這個都是歡迎的。"],["李委員坤城：除了國光獎章之外呢？如果拿到冠軍了，拿到前三名了，有沒有其他額外的獎勵？"],["卓院長榮泰：如果在這樣的規定底下，那就是國光獎章。"],["李委員坤城：已經最高了？"],["卓院長榮泰：奧運有奧運的，亞運有亞運的，這個世界棒球比賽，它有一定的獎勵規定。"],["李委員坤城：我希望大家共襄盛舉啦！因為有好的激勵，我相信選手能夠打出更好的成績。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["李委員坤城：我剛才講到運動外交，其實我也在期待，美國職棒大聯盟其實是棒球的最高殿堂，今（2024）年3月洛杉磯道奇隊跟聖地牙哥教士隊在韓國的首爾進行海外賽，然後明年他們已經確定了，洛杉磯道奇跟芝加哥小熊會在日本的東京，我是相當期待啦！按照臺灣棒球的實力，2026年不知道有沒有機會能夠邀請美國職棒大聯盟來到我們臺灣臺北大巨蛋，做海外的開幕賽？"],["卓院長榮泰：如果大巨蛋的營運團隊跟我們的職棒協會都有這樣的想法，需要政府來做後盾的話，我覺得我們可以連起來，變成一個黃金鐵三角，向國際來爭取，增加臺灣在國際上的能見度。"],["李委員坤城：對啊，因為打這種海外賽，像韓國他們有爭取到，其實我認為我們臺灣也可以爭取到，畢竟我們臺灣的選手也曾經在不論是美國職棒隊都打過，都有這個機會能夠邀請他們來，我希望朝著2026年邀請他們來臺灣打海外賽，好不好？朝這個目標來努力。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們一起去加油。"],["李委員坤城：好。今天我們是討論台電的追加預算，其實我看你們的報告，我們撥補台電在113（今）年已經要追加預算1,000億，然後明年我們公務預算也編了1,000億。因為台電有虧損，虧損的理由大部分你說是因為俄烏戰爭，我們買燃油的成本就提高了，我們願意給它補助，也是要降低民生用電的調幅。"],["卓院長榮泰：是。"],["李委員坤城：所以第一個，我們減少累積的虧損，也避免台電的負債高於資產，發生公司法上面的破產；第二個，減少舉債也會減輕利息的負擔。我看了一下資料，2023年以來政府已經編列經費，為台電增資了2,500億元，實收資本額提高到5,800億元，但是台電還是持續的虧損。在2023年我們已經有撥補了500億，在2024（今）年我們現在就要討論追加預算1,000億，明年我剛才提過，公務預算有1,000億。","但是我看了一下台電的決算報告，在111年、112年仍然是虧損，111年虧損了2,265億，112年虧損了1,985億，但是我又看到今（113）年度台電的預算還有實際虧損情況，我發現好像有稍微好轉。如果按照前三季累積的話，預算盈虧分配數累積應該是負的1338.8億，但是按照季報的實際盈虧，前三季累積是縮小到278.3億，在第三季的時候有賺了323.4億元。查了一下，在第三季有賺、有盈餘的原因，第一個，國際油價緩和下降；第二個，適度調整工業用電的價格；第三，7、8、9夏月的用電費率比較高。所以我就要請教一下院長，如果按照季報的實際盈虧的情況來看，全年累積的金額虧損的情況應該不會到本來預算的盈虧分配數1,887億，你們有算過到了第四季出來之後，全年累計大概虧損的情況是怎麼樣？"],["卓院長榮泰：如果加上這個追加預算在內的話……"],["李委員坤城：如果不算在內啦！"],["卓院長榮泰：不算在內……"],["李委員坤城：因為接下來還不知道會不會進去。"],["卓院長榮泰：如果不算在內的話，可能就沒有這麼樂觀的數字啦！"],["李委員坤城：那大概多少呢？"],["卓院長榮泰：我記得是四、五百億左右吧！"],["李委員坤城：就是四、五百億？"],["卓院長榮泰：對，好像四、五百億。"],["李委員坤城：那還是比預算的盈虧分配數1,887億還要再低就對了？"],["卓院長榮泰：因為我們今年還是有經過10月份的調整電價，也很感謝用電大戶，這個調整的幅度幾乎是我們反映成本的狀況，所以會比較彌補以前成本不足的虧損。"],["李委員坤城：所以院長說全年實際上的盈虧大概還是會到四、五百億就對了？"],["卓院長榮泰：如果減少1,000億，我們將會虧損大概560億左右。"],["李委員坤城：所以如果這個1,000億的追加預算通過之後……"],["卓院長榮泰：那應該會有比較好的……"],["李委員坤城：就會有盈餘了。"],["卓院長榮泰：但是不會因此而自滿，因為補貼的政策不是長久之計。"],["李委員坤城：對，剛剛有提到利息，因為我看每一度成本的利息支出都偏高，根據110年的決算，利息支出是占2%；到了113年9月利息的支出，每一度的成本裡面有0.1247，利息支出比例是占3.42%。利息支出從111年的0.08到113年的0.12，其實是成長了將近50%，所以我想請教一下院長，有沒有辦法減少利息的支出，當然我們撥補預算就會減少利息的支出啦，有沒有辦法再降低每一度發電成本，讓它再更低一點？"],["卓院長榮泰：降低利息……"],["李委員坤城：要開源也要節流啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：因為過去這幾年利息，它也有利率的調整，再來就是剛剛我們所提到的，台電如果虧損繼續擴大的話，它的信用評比會降低，可能對銀行端來看，就會比較有調高利率的可能。剛剛已經有委員建議，我們應該朝向公股行庫去做一些比較優惠性利率的使用，這個部分的貸款，我想台電跟我們的公股行庫應該一對一去做一些努力啦！至於說發電成本的降低，未來我們可能用三個方面，第一個，就是我們採購，像採購煤等等，它過去有長期的契約但我們希望能夠更靈活的運用契約；第二個，像這樣的資金靈活運用調度，可以減少利息跟其他的支出；第三個，當然希望台電內控上做人事有效的管理，雖然它人事現在非常的辛苦，但是我覺得再做有效的管理，一定可以再從人事成本上做合理的調整。"],["李委員坤城：台電的虧損也不是說一定會這樣持續發生下去，我是希望按照院長剛才所提示的這三個方向好好去做，不然你看今年我們在討論追加預算，其實明年你就編了1,000億。當然明年來看，政府稅收可能還是有，但是如果說遇到一些情況，比如說整體的經濟情勢受到影響，或是說有哪些地方情勢比較不穩，讓我們購煤的成本又增加，那一樣，台電又會遇到跟今年一樣的問題啦！我希望這個問題不要重複的、重複的再發生。"],["卓院長榮泰：受國際因素的影響很大，我們儘量努力把它降低，影響讓它減少。"],["李委員坤城：好，再請教一下院長，因為我來自新北市，我給院長看一個歷史的資料，在2019年8月的時候，侯友宜當時是新北市市長，當然現在還是啦，當時他還沒有要選總統，所以他是怎麼講的呢？他講核四是假議題，因為燃料棒都不在了，他這個是在回應我們現在的院長、當時國民黨的總統參選人韓國瑜，他說韓國瑜會提出重啟核四這個議題，但是新北市長侯友宜說核四是假議題，因為燃料棒都不在了，這是2019年8月的時候。隔天他又再講，沒有能力處理核廢料，就沒有資格用核電，因為他那時候沒有要選總統，我認為他講的話比較實在。","這兩句話，我請教一下院長，核四是假議題嗎？因為燃料棒都不在了；第二個，沒有能力處理核廢料，就沒有資格用核電。"],["卓院長榮泰：這樣的講法是非常理性的。"],["李委員坤城：非常理性的，好，我再問一下，我們賴總統的核能政策，其實院長都清楚啦，第一個，核一、核二、核三除役是根據法律，至於核四重啟與否，因為已經經過公投了，所以沒有重不重啟的這個問題了。所以核四商轉公投不通過之後，核四就沒有重啟的問題，只有場址後續如何運用的問題，我查了一下經濟部對核四的三大處理原則：第一個，說要跟在地鄉親溝通；第二個，保持多元開放選項；第三個，因應再生能源發展的需求，讓核四資產價值極大化。但是我要請教一下院長，第一個，目前核四的地目還是屬於核能電廠的用地，既然核四已經沒有要重啟、沒有要去運轉的話，地目有沒有機會來做變更？這是很多鄉親的期待。"],["卓院長榮泰：目前我想整個社會討論的空間，應該還不至於讓我們有馬上去做這樣變更地目的努力啦……"],["李委員坤城：可是你現在核四不會再用了啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：是不會再用，但社會上還是有一些討論的議題嘛！如果說我們能夠取得最大的共識，就是核四這個議題讓它不會再發生的話，那應該就這個土地的合理使用，讓它活化，或者做其他更有效益的用途，我們才能進到這個方面來談。"],["李委員坤城：所以長期來講，這地目是不是要做變更？"],["卓院長榮泰：如果未來有朝這樣的發展，絕對是要進行變更，而且對很多土地當時的損害，政府也應該有所考慮。"],["李委員坤城：第二個就是說，有沒有機會轉做其他的發電廠，或是規劃做其他的用途？"],["卓院長榮泰：也不排除，但是這個還是技術層面的問題啦！"],["李委員坤城：沒有喔，這是跟著政策在走喔！就政策大方向決定了，如果今天核四不重啟了，核四不用了，然後接下來就要看地目怎麼去做處理，地目處理完之後接下來要變更什麼樣的用地啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：我認為它如果有做其他公共用途的話，也要跟周遭的居民和地主好好的溝通，因為大家忍受了數十年那個地方現在這個現況，我們還要做跟原來徵收目的不一樣的使用，我們必須要履行一定的程序才可以。"],["李委員坤城：好，核四工程費用2,838億，目前列為資產，那這些設備資產要如何去處理呢？"],["郭部長智輝：我們會讓設備價值最大化，財務損失最小化。"],["李委員坤城：對，這是一個政策的原則，但是要怎麼去做處理呢？因為它還掛在帳上面啊！"],["郭部長智輝：現在先保留饋線，其他的盡量與時俱進，多聽大家的指導再來改進。"],["李委員坤城：我還是希望有一個中長程的規劃出來，未來核四那一塊地要怎麼去做處理，如果我們決定了核四不重啟，那塊地也不能就荒廢在那邊不去做使用、不去做變更，那永遠是貢寮人民心中的痛啊！"],["卓院長榮泰：我們希望能夠達到這樣的社會共識，把它活化並做更有意義的使用。"],["李委員坤城：好，謝謝院長。"],["主席：謝謝李坤城委員的質詢，謝謝卓院長、經濟部長的備詢。","接下來我們請登記第14位張智倫委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":224,"meet_id":"院會-11-2-9","speakers":["韓國瑜","傅崐萁","張啓楷","洪申翰","林思銘","賴瑞隆","王鴻薇","陳培瑜","黃健豪","蔡易餘","洪孟楷","吳思瑤","廖偉翔","李坤城","張智倫","邱志偉"],"page_start":149,"meetingDate":["2024-11-19"],"gazette_id":"1139501","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1139501_00003","1139501_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期第9次會議紀錄","content":"邀請行政院院長、主計長、財政部部長及相關部會首長列席報告「113年度中央政府總預算追加\n預算案」編製經過並備質詢─ 詢答完畢─","agenda_id":"1139501_00013"}}}