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00:01:40,246\n目前從這個預算書上面來看對於這個籌辦的部分我們編列了750萬的經費來支應但是我們對這個活動的時間對象還有內容等這個具體的資訊還不是很清楚所以我想是不是就叫我們秘書長對我們明年所要辦的APPLE年會目前的規劃內容還有這個相關的這個可不可以比較詳細的來做一個說明一下\n\n5\n00:01:41,127 --> 00:01:54,762\n謝謝參議員我跟參議員做一個比較更清楚的一個說明Apple年會其實是整個國際監察組織就是所謂的IOI底下的一個區域就是我們參加的是澳紐太平洋地區的一個區域\n\n6\n00:01:56,223 --> 00:02:20,879\n這個區域是每年開年會的所以我們參加每年的年會算是一個非常重要的那我們這一次又爭取到2025在台灣主辦所以這是繼2011、2019以後第三次在台灣主辦那預期我們現在規劃的時間是總共這個期程是三天那目前到底詳細的時間定在哪裡那或者是說相關的議題我們還在討論當中\n\n7\n00:02:23,641 --> 00:02:32,408\n那這個秘書長就等討論出來之後是不是可以給我一個詳細的這個內容好討論出來我們會給陳委員一個報告那相較於這個歷年來我們出國參加各國的這個監察組織的年會和研討會作為這個主辦國除了要對研討交流要讓與會的各國來賓能夠瞭解我國監察\n\n8\n00:02:47,541 --> 00:03:10,556\n的和人權的這個實踐那進一步能夠彰顯台灣在國際監察和人權組織當中所代表的一個重要性那我想再請教秘書長就是您認為應該要如何來展現我們在這個監察制度和人權發展上的成果才能夠充分發揮在這一次所舉辦的這個年會上並且發揮最大的效益\n\n9\n00:03:11,176 --> 00:03:35,630\n我跟陳委員報告因為這是國際監察組織底下的一個分區基本上在這一個類似每年的April年會裡面最重要的是彼此交流因為我們的制度跟其他人不太一樣我們有獨立的監察院其他國家不見得有我們也希望把我們監察院的特色告訴大家所以我們在討論的過程裡面有委員提到說例如陽光事法\n\n10\n00:03:36,150 --> 00:03:51,369\n陽光司法是監察院來負責執行那這個在其他國家裡面非常特殊而且曾經有其他國家請教我們這相關的問題所以也許這個會列為這一次討論的重點之一分享台灣的經驗\n\n11\n00:03:52,250 --> 00:04:13,150\n好,那如果我們參照前一次所舉辦的這個Apple年會的經驗除了規劃會議和研討會之外會後還會安排文化參訪的活動讓這個與會的各國貴賓能夠感受到臺灣之美例如我們上一次有安排去故宮還有去板橋的這個林家花園來參訪\n\n12\n00:04:14,872 --> 00:04:24,542\n是觀光客經常造訪的景點我想請教秘書長對於這次的年會安排會不會有類似的活動\n\n13\n00:04:25,290 --> 00:04:25,310\n好﹖\n\n14\n00:04:51,985 --> 00:05:01,831\n從媒體的報導當中我們也看到陳局院長在今年5月前往荷蘭參加國際監察組織IOI年會的時候也誠摯邀請各國的會員能夠在明年的9月來台灣參加我們的年會\n\n15\n00:05:09,535 --> 00:05:25,705\n我們希望透過各種管道來擴大國際之間的交流同時也能夠精進我們監察和人權的業務有沒有可能我們監察院未來還有擴大國際活動參與和交流的一個空間\n\n16\n00:05:26,853 --> 00:05:47,444\n跟委員報告有我們另外除了這個IOI以外我們有參加一個FIL就是拉丁美洲的一個監察組織那今年非常特別今年是在巴拉圭舉行那今年由FIL的理事長正式提案把台灣列為正式會員所以從今年開始我們就是正式會員\n\n17\n00:05:48,504 --> 00:06:10,254\n所以這個部分也是跟拉丁美洲有關監察相關制度的一個交流這個國際交流是非常重要的那這個也是今年的一個重大成就好那因為近年來我們監察院在國際監察組織的這種經營過程當中付出了相當多的這個努力而且能夠增加台灣在國際上的這個能見度\n\n18\n00:06:11,775 --> 00:06:33,974\n應該我們也要不分黨派來給予鼓勵和相關的資源我也請我們監察院能夠慎重來辦理我們監察10年會也期待能夠達到所預期的一個效益和一個目標我們會來努力也希望各位委員不分黨派都能夠支持國際外交是非常重要的\n\n19\n00:06:34,915 --> 00:07:02,199\n好那針對剛剛講的相關的人權交流議題那會跟我接下來要討論的一個這個部分有一點類相關就是人權會編列超過這個一千萬的預算在辦理人權教材製作和教育推廣的工作而因為這個人權議題相當的廣泛包含國際公約規範的這個權力保障還有反歧視等等\n\n20\n00:07:02,739 --> 00:07:21,466\n但是從過去的調查資料當中得知國人對於五大人權公約的聽聞程度未達三成人權會作為人權工作專責的機關也期待我們能夠真正來落實人權教育的普及\n\n21\n00:07:22,165 --> 00:07:49,014\n我們也看到過去監察院致力於推動發行外文的刊物以利這個國際間的交流使用包括剛剛我們所講的要辦理Apple年會的規劃當中也涵蓋了人權議題的相關的交流問題我想再請教我們人權會我們每年所開發的這種人權的教材大概有哪些推廣的形式\n\n22\n00:07:50,814 --> 00:08:09,188\n我跟委員簡單報告兩個很快第一個部分我們有外文的包括英文跟西班牙文的最主要就是我們剛剛參加IOI跟這個FEEL就是拉丁美洲的國家所以有英文跟西班牙文另外在人權教材推廣我們跟教育部國家國教院\n\n23\n00:08:10,028 --> 00:08:28,304\n委員會合作訂了14個核心課程14個網路課程3個podcast的節目還有兩個參訪過程所有的人權教育的教材跟其他部位合作也包括跟考試院的保訓會另外我們現在正在做的是跟內政部警政署\n\n24\n00:08:28,644 --> 00:08:54,949\n他們如何執行他們業務時候同時注意到人權我們正在編一個手冊這個就是監察院希望把人權的概念告訴大家那的確國人對人權相關的議題是比較陌生的這個也是我們為什麼要盡力來推廣的一個原因好那我想請教秘書長我們剛剛講的這些文宣還有這些教材我們可以透過什麼管道來取得那如果委員需要的話我們會提供給委員好\n\n25\n00:08:57,085 --> 00:09:19,899\n網站也有,我們的網站都有那在這個人權議題和這個人權發展的案例當中和公部門執行業務也有相關的這個連帶的關係所以目前也已經將人權課程的這個教材納入基礎訓練和晉升官的這個相關的訓練這就是我們剛剛講跟保訓會合作保訓會負責訓練\n\n26\n00:09:22,743 --> 00:09:48,173\n尤其公部門要擴大引用AI使用的機會科技與人權之間的探討會更加的重要我還是請教就是有關我們這個人權教育未來是否會擴大辦理到公部門訓練和研討的規劃當中而這個人權會和人事總處還有考試院國教院之間我們要如何來分工\n\n27\n00:09:49,194 --> 00:10:10,072\n兩個部分第一個部分就是跟國教院跟保訓會跟人事總署我們都有合作第二個部分就是對這樣的人權教育的推廣我們相當重是特別該案委員提到的AI這兩年我們的重點就是AI對人權的潛在影響我們還委託師大來做相關的研究另外我們也辦了國際研討會\n\n28\n00:10:12,716 --> 00:10:37,007\n我們也從監察院所提供的相關書面報告當中看到為了落實人權教育的推廣需要將青年族群納入推廣的主體並且要鼓勵對於人權議題進行能夠多元思考我想再請教秘書長我們與大學合作辦理的青年人權教育賠利辦理的情形如何\n\n29\n00:10:37,927 --> 00:11:06,226\n我們目前跟11所大學有合作過就是青年的人權議題相關的討論除了討論以外還請青年來瞭解我們邊的人權教材他們的適用這個都有包括大學還包括高中職11所大學那高中職高中職是測試我們的人權教材他們的接受程度我希望說未來我們看能不能向下普及到高中職特別大學的部分我們會更多的合作\n\n30\n00:11:07,947 --> 00:11:29,621\n最後我想請教的部分就是有關這個監察院近年來所提出的調查報告的這個案件類型由於國家人權委員會對於這個酷刑或是侵害人權還有歧視案件有關的這個調查責任從這個預算中心整理的這個資料來看對於涉及人權保障的案件\n\n31\n00:11:30,101 --> 00:11:30,721\n到底是什麼原因造成這樣的一個趨勢?\n\n32\n00:11:54,427 --> 00:12:18,839\n我跟陳委員做一個說明兩個就八個字可以說明第一個是業務轉移第二個是標準不同業務轉移的意思就是我們20208月我們成立國家人權委員會以後很多的人權相關議題是移到人權委員會來那第二個部分就是這個標準不同什麼意思就是我們在人權會成立以後我們曾經在全院的談話會討論過就是\n\n33\n00:12:20,640 --> 00:12:40,391\n我們必須依照人權會所有對人權的界定跟標準才能列為人權案件過去說只要跟人權搭上邊都列為人權案件這個不行了現在已經調整了所以看到的好像是數字減少但是純粹從案件的數字這是不標準的因為\n\n34\n00:12:41,813 --> 00:12:50,568\n因為案件的標準不同所以其實你看到的是減少但是實際上在人權委員會那邊的案件是非常大量的成長的\n\n35\n00:12:51,442 --> 00:13:18,860\n好,那我們也期待啦齁,期待我們人權會能夠將這個公約規範還有人權的議題深入到大眾的這個日常生活當中那也透過我們人權會的這個努力讓國人的這個人權意識能夠向上提升那相關的概念也能夠更加的普及共同來推動這個人權的這個理念也維護我們台灣整體這個人權的進步與保障這是我們努力的方向好,謝謝,謝謝秘書長好,謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n12912\t15275\t好謝謝主席我們有請李秘書長麻煩秘書長秘書長早\n20321\t43576\t我們今天就監察院114年度的這個預算以及我們明年度所要推動的這個相關計畫來進行討論那我想對於監察院來說除了監察委員日常推動的這個政務和人權業務外每年也會編列預算來辦理考察那也有訪問跟開會等國際的交流相關的事務在這個推動當中\n45278\t66955\t在加強與世界各地的監察組織的交流合作也促進雙邊的良好互動關係尤其在明年度監察院再次要主辦澳紐及太平洋地區的監察史年會應該是2011年還有2019年後我們第三度有機會由台灣來主辦這場年會\n73820\t100246\t目前從這個預算書上面來看對於這個籌辦的部分我們編列了750萬的經費來支應但是我們對這個活動的時間對象還有內容等這個具體的資訊還不是很清楚所以我想是不是就叫我們秘書長對我們明年所要辦的APPLE年會目前的規劃內容還有這個相關的這個可不可以比較詳細的來做一個說明一下\n101127\t114762\t謝謝參議員我跟參議員做一個比較更清楚的一個說明Apple年會其實是整個國際監察組織就是所謂的IOI底下的一個區域就是我們參加的是澳紐太平洋地區的一個區域\n116223\t140879\t這個區域是每年開年會的所以我們參加每年的年會算是一個非常重要的那我們這一次又爭取到2025在台灣主辦所以這是繼2011、2019以後第三次在台灣主辦那預期我們現在規劃的時間是總共這個期程是三天那目前到底詳細的時間定在哪裡那或者是說相關的議題我們還在討論當中\n143641\t152408\t那這個秘書長就等討論出來之後是不是可以給我一個詳細的這個內容好討論出來我們會給陳委員一個報告那相較於這個歷年來我們出國參加各國的這個監察組織的年會和研討會作為這個主辦國除了要對研討交流要讓與會的各國來賓能夠瞭解我國監察\n167541\t190556\t的和人權的這個實踐那進一步能夠彰顯台灣在國際監察和人權組織當中所代表的一個重要性那我想再請教秘書長就是您認為應該要如何來展現我們在這個監察制度和人權發展上的成果才能夠充分發揮在這一次所舉辦的這個年會上並且發揮最大的效益\n191176\t215630\t我跟陳委員報告因為這是國際監察組織底下的一個分區基本上在這一個類似每年的April年會裡面最重要的是彼此交流因為我們的制度跟其他人不太一樣我們有獨立的監察院其他國家不見得有我們也希望把我們監察院的特色告訴大家所以我們在討論的過程裡面有委員提到說例如陽光事法\n216150\t231369\t陽光司法是監察院來負責執行那這個在其他國家裡面非常特殊而且曾經有其他國家請教我們這相關的問題所以也許這個會列為這一次討論的重點之一分享台灣的經驗\n232250\t253150\t好,那如果我們參照前一次所舉辦的這個Apple年會的經驗除了規劃會議和研討會之外會後還會安排文化參訪的活動讓這個與會的各國貴賓能夠感受到臺灣之美例如我們上一次有安排去故宮還有去板橋的這個林家花園來參訪\n254872\t264542\t是觀光客經常造訪的景點我想請教秘書長對於這次的年會安排會不會有類似的活動\n265290\t265310\t好﹖\n291985\t301831\t從媒體的報導當中我們也看到陳局院長在今年5月前往荷蘭參加國際監察組織IOI年會的時候也誠摯邀請各國的會員能夠在明年的9月來台灣參加我們的年會\n309535\t325705\t我們希望透過各種管道來擴大國際之間的交流同時也能夠精進我們監察和人權的業務有沒有可能我們監察院未來還有擴大國際活動參與和交流的一個空間\n326853\t347444\t跟委員報告有我們另外除了這個IOI以外我們有參加一個FIL就是拉丁美洲的一個監察組織那今年非常特別今年是在巴拉圭舉行那今年由FIL的理事長正式提案把台灣列為正式會員所以從今年開始我們就是正式會員\n348504\t370254\t所以這個部分也是跟拉丁美洲有關監察相關制度的一個交流這個國際交流是非常重要的那這個也是今年的一個重大成就好那因為近年來我們監察院在國際監察組織的這種經營過程當中付出了相當多的這個努力而且能夠增加台灣在國際上的這個能見度\n371775\t393974\t應該我們也要不分黨派來給予鼓勵和相關的資源我也請我們監察院能夠慎重來辦理我們監察10年會也期待能夠達到所預期的一個效益和一個目標我們會來努力也希望各位委員不分黨派都能夠支持國際外交是非常重要的\n394915\t422199\t好那針對剛剛講的相關的人權交流議題那會跟我接下來要討論的一個這個部分有一點類相關就是人權會編列超過這個一千萬的預算在辦理人權教材製作和教育推廣的工作而因為這個人權議題相當的廣泛包含國際公約規範的這個權力保障還有反歧視等等\n422739\t441466\t但是從過去的調查資料當中得知國人對於五大人權公約的聽聞程度未達三成人權會作為人權工作專責的機關也期待我們能夠真正來落實人權教育的普及\n442165\t469014\t我們也看到過去監察院致力於推動發行外文的刊物以利這個國際間的交流使用包括剛剛我們所講的要辦理Apple年會的規劃當中也涵蓋了人權議題的相關的交流問題我想再請教我們人權會我們每年所開發的這種人權的教材大概有哪些推廣的形式\n470814\t489188\t我跟委員簡單報告兩個很快第一個部分我們有外文的包括英文跟西班牙文的最主要就是我們剛剛參加IOI跟這個FEEL就是拉丁美洲的國家所以有英文跟西班牙文另外在人權教材推廣我們跟教育部國家國教院\n490028\t508304\t委員會合作訂了14個核心課程14個網路課程3個podcast的節目還有兩個參訪過程所有的人權教育的教材跟其他部位合作也包括跟考試院的保訓會另外我們現在正在做的是跟內政部警政署\n508644\t534949\t他們如何執行他們業務時候同時注意到人權我們正在編一個手冊這個就是監察院希望把人權的概念告訴大家那的確國人對人權相關的議題是比較陌生的這個也是我們為什麼要盡力來推廣的一個原因好那我想請教秘書長我們剛剛講的這些文宣還有這些教材我們可以透過什麼管道來取得那如果委員需要的話我們會提供給委員好\n537085\t559899\t網站也有,我們的網站都有那在這個人權議題和這個人權發展的案例當中和公部門執行業務也有相關的這個連帶的關係所以目前也已經將人權課程的這個教材納入基礎訓練和晉升官的這個相關的訓練這就是我們剛剛講跟保訓會合作保訓會負責訓練\n562743\t588173\t尤其公部門要擴大引用AI使用的機會科技與人權之間的探討會更加的重要我還是請教就是有關我們這個人權教育未來是否會擴大辦理到公部門訓練和研討的規劃當中而這個人權會和人事總處還有考試院國教院之間我們要如何來分工\n589194\t610072\t兩個部分第一個部分就是跟國教院跟保訓會跟人事總署我們都有合作第二個部分就是對這樣的人權教育的推廣我們相當重是特別該案委員提到的AI這兩年我們的重點就是AI對人權的潛在影響我們還委託師大來做相關的研究另外我們也辦了國際研討會\n612716\t637007\t我們也從監察院所提供的相關書面報告當中看到為了落實人權教育的推廣需要將青年族群納入推廣的主體並且要鼓勵對於人權議題進行能夠多元思考我想再請教秘書長我們與大學合作辦理的青年人權教育賠利辦理的情形如何\n637927\t666226\t我們目前跟11所大學有合作過就是青年的人權議題相關的討論除了討論以外還請青年來瞭解我們邊的人權教材他們的適用這個都有包括大學還包括高中職11所大學那高中職高中職是測試我們的人權教材他們的接受程度我希望說未來我們看能不能向下普及到高中職特別大學的部分我們會更多的合作\n667947\t689621\t最後我想請教的部分就是有關這個監察院近年來所提出的調查報告的這個案件類型由於國家人權委員會對於這個酷刑或是侵害人權還有歧視案件有關的這個調查責任從這個預算中心整理的這個資料來看對於涉及人權保障的案件\n690101\t690721\t到底是什麼原因造成這樣的一個趨勢?\n714427\t738839\t我跟陳委員做一個說明兩個就八個字可以說明第一個是業務轉移第二個是標準不同業務轉移的意思就是我們20208月我們成立國家人權委員會以後很多的人權相關議題是移到人權委員會來那第二個部分就是這個標準不同什麼意思就是我們在人權會成立以後我們曾經在全院的談話會討論過就是\n740640\t760391\t我們必須依照人權會所有對人權的界定跟標準才能列為人權案件過去說只要跟人權搭上邊都列為人權案件這個不行了現在已經調整了所以看到的好像是數字減少但是純粹從案件的數字這是不標準的因為\n761813\t770568\t因為案件的標準不同所以其實你看到的是減少但是實際上在人權委員會那邊的案件是非常大量的成長的\n771442\t798860\t好,那我們也期待啦齁,期待我們人權會能夠將這個公約規範還有人權的議題深入到大眾的這個日常生活當中那也透過我們人權會的這個努力讓國人的這個人權意識能夠向上提升那相關的概念也能夠更加的普及共同來推動這個人權的這個理念也維護我們台灣整體這個人權的進步與保障這是我們努力的方向好,謝謝,謝謝秘書長好,謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席我們有請李秘書長麻煩秘書長秘書長早\n我們今天就監察院114年度的這個預算以及我們明年度所要推動的這個相關計畫來進行討論那我想對於監察院來說除了監察委員日常推動的這個政務和人權業務外每年也會編列預算來辦理考察那也有訪問跟開會等國際的交流相關的事務在這個推動當中\n在加強與世界各地的監察組織的交流合作也促進雙邊的良好互動關係尤其在明年度監察院再次要主辦澳紐及太平洋地區的監察史年會應該是2011年還有2019年後我們第三度有機會由台灣來主辦這場年會\n目前從這個預算書上面來看對於這個籌辦的部分我們編列了750萬的經費來支應但是我們對這個活動的時間對象還有內容等這個具體的資訊還不是很清楚所以我想是不是就叫我們秘書長對我們明年所要辦的APPLE年會目前的規劃內容還有這個相關的這個可不可以比較詳細的來做一個說明一下\n謝謝參議員我跟參議員做一個比較更清楚的一個說明Apple年會其實是整個國際監察組織就是所謂的IOI底下的一個區域就是我們參加的是澳紐太平洋地區的一個區域\n這個區域是每年開年會的所以我們參加每年的年會算是一個非常重要的那我們這一次又爭取到2025在台灣主辦所以這是繼2011、2019以後第三次在台灣主辦那預期我們現在規劃的時間是總共這個期程是三天那目前到底詳細的時間定在哪裡那或者是說相關的議題我們還在討論當中\n那這個秘書長就等討論出來之後是不是可以給我一個詳細的這個內容好討論出來我們會給陳委員一個報告那相較於這個歷年來我們出國參加各國的這個監察組織的年會和研討會作為這個主辦國除了要對研討交流要讓與會的各國來賓能夠瞭解我國監察\n的和人權的這個實踐那進一步能夠彰顯台灣在國際監察和人權組織當中所代表的一個重要性那我想再請教秘書長就是您認為應該要如何來展現我們在這個監察制度和人權發展上的成果才能夠充分發揮在這一次所舉辦的這個年會上並且發揮最大的效益\n我跟陳委員報告因為這是國際監察組織底下的一個分區基本上在這一個類似每年的April年會裡面最重要的是彼此交流因為我們的制度跟其他人不太一樣我們有獨立的監察院其他國家不見得有我們也希望把我們監察院的特色告訴大家所以我們在討論的過程裡面有委員提到說例如陽光事法\n陽光司法是監察院來負責執行那這個在其他國家裡面非常特殊而且曾經有其他國家請教我們這相關的問題所以也許這個會列為這一次討論的重點之一分享台灣的經驗\n好,那如果我們參照前一次所舉辦的這個Apple年會的經驗除了規劃會議和研討會之外會後還會安排文化參訪的活動讓這個與會的各國貴賓能夠感受到臺灣之美例如我們上一次有安排去故宮還有去板橋的這個林家花園來參訪\n是觀光客經常造訪的景點我想請教秘書長對於這次的年會安排會不會有類似的活動\n好﹖\n從媒體的報導當中我們也看到陳局院長在今年5月前往荷蘭參加國際監察組織IOI年會的時候也誠摯邀請各國的會員能夠在明年的9月來台灣參加我們的年會\n我們希望透過各種管道來擴大國際之間的交流同時也能夠精進我們監察和人權的業務有沒有可能我們監察院未來還有擴大國際活動參與和交流的一個空間\n跟委員報告有我們另外除了這個IOI以外我們有參加一個FIL就是拉丁美洲的一個監察組織那今年非常特別今年是在巴拉圭舉行那今年由FIL的理事長正式提案把台灣列為正式會員所以從今年開始我們就是正式會員\n所以這個部分也是跟拉丁美洲有關監察相關制度的一個交流這個國際交流是非常重要的那這個也是今年的一個重大成就好那因為近年來我們監察院在國際監察組織的這種經營過程當中付出了相當多的這個努力而且能夠增加台灣在國際上的這個能見度\n應該我們也要不分黨派來給予鼓勵和相關的資源我也請我們監察院能夠慎重來辦理我們監察10年會也期待能夠達到所預期的一個效益和一個目標我們會來努力也希望各位委員不分黨派都能夠支持國際外交是非常重要的\n好那針對剛剛講的相關的人權交流議題那會跟我接下來要討論的一個這個部分有一點類相關就是人權會編列超過這個一千萬的預算在辦理人權教材製作和教育推廣的工作而因為這個人權議題相當的廣泛包含國際公約規範的這個權力保障還有反歧視等等\n但是從過去的調查資料當中得知國人對於五大人權公約的聽聞程度未達三成人權會作為人權工作專責的機關也期待我們能夠真正來落實人權教育的普及\n我們也看到過去監察院致力於推動發行外文的刊物以利這個國際間的交流使用包括剛剛我們所講的要辦理Apple年會的規劃當中也涵蓋了人權議題的相關的交流問題我想再請教我們人權會我們每年所開發的這種人權的教材大概有哪些推廣的形式\n我跟委員簡單報告兩個很快第一個部分我們有外文的包括英文跟西班牙文的最主要就是我們剛剛參加IOI跟這個FEEL就是拉丁美洲的國家所以有英文跟西班牙文另外在人權教材推廣我們跟教育部國家國教院\n委員會合作訂了14個核心課程14個網路課程3個podcast的節目還有兩個參訪過程所有的人權教育的教材跟其他部位合作也包括跟考試院的保訓會另外我們現在正在做的是跟內政部警政署\n他們如何執行他們業務時候同時注意到人權我們正在編一個手冊這個就是監察院希望把人權的概念告訴大家那的確國人對人權相關的議題是比較陌生的這個也是我們為什麼要盡力來推廣的一個原因好那我想請教秘書長我們剛剛講的這些文宣還有這些教材我們可以透過什麼管道來取得那如果委員需要的話我們會提供給委員好\n網站也有,我們的網站都有那在這個人權議題和這個人權發展的案例當中和公部門執行業務也有相關的這個連帶的關係所以目前也已經將人權課程的這個教材納入基礎訓練和晉升官的這個相關的訓練這就是我們剛剛講跟保訓會合作保訓會負責訓練\n尤其公部門要擴大引用AI使用的機會科技與人權之間的探討會更加的重要我還是請教就是有關我們這個人權教育未來是否會擴大辦理到公部門訓練和研討的規劃當中而這個人權會和人事總處還有考試院國教院之間我們要如何來分工\n兩個部分第一個部分就是跟國教院跟保訓會跟人事總署我們都有合作第二個部分就是對這樣的人權教育的推廣我們相當重是特別該案委員提到的AI這兩年我們的重點就是AI對人權的潛在影響我們還委託師大來做相關的研究另外我們也辦了國際研討會\n我們也從監察院所提供的相關書面報告當中看到為了落實人權教育的推廣需要將青年族群納入推廣的主體並且要鼓勵對於人權議題進行能夠多元思考我想再請教秘書長我們與大學合作辦理的青年人權教育賠利辦理的情形如何\n我們目前跟11所大學有合作過就是青年的人權議題相關的討論除了討論以外還請青年來瞭解我們邊的人權教材他們的適用這個都有包括大學還包括高中職11所大學那高中職高中職是測試我們的人權教材他們的接受程度我希望說未來我們看能不能向下普及到高中職特別大學的部分我們會更多的合作\n最後我想請教的部分就是有關這個監察院近年來所提出的調查報告的這個案件類型由於國家人權委員會對於這個酷刑或是侵害人權還有歧視案件有關的這個調查責任從這個預算中心整理的這個資料來看對於涉及人權保障的案件\n到底是什麼原因造成這樣的一個趨勢?\n我跟陳委員做一個說明兩個就八個字可以說明第一個是業務轉移第二個是標準不同業務轉移的意思就是我們20208月我們成立國家人權委員會以後很多的人權相關議題是移到人權委員會來那第二個部分就是這個標準不同什麼意思就是我們在人權會成立以後我們曾經在全院的談話會討論過就是\n我們必須依照人權會所有對人權的界定跟標準才能列為人權案件過去說只要跟人權搭上邊都列為人權案件這個不行了現在已經調整了所以看到的好像是數字減少但是純粹從案件的數字這是不標準的因為\n因為案件的標準不同所以其實你看到的是減少但是實際上在人權委員會那邊的案件是非常大量的成長的\n好,那我們也期待啦齁,期待我們人權會能夠將這個公約規範還有人權的議題深入到大眾的這個日常生活當中那也透過我們人權會的這個努力讓國人的這個人權意識能夠向上提升那相關的概念也能夠更加的普及共同來推動這個人權的這個理念也維護我們台灣整體這個人權的進步與保障這是我們努力的方向好,謝謝,謝謝秘書長好,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:12.912 --> 00:15.275\n好謝謝主席我們有請李秘書長麻煩秘書長秘書長早\n\n00:20.321 --> 00:43.576\n我們今天就監察院114年度的這個預算以及我們明年度所要推動的這個相關計畫來進行討論那我想對於監察院來說除了監察委員日常推動的這個政務和人權業務外每年也會編列預算來辦理考察那也有訪問跟開會等國際的交流相關的事務在這個推動當中\n\n00:45.278 --> 01:06.955\n在加強與世界各地的監察組織的交流合作也促進雙邊的良好互動關係尤其在明年度監察院再次要主辦澳紐及太平洋地區的監察史年會應該是2011年還有2019年後我們第三度有機會由台灣來主辦這場年會\n\n01:13.820 --> 01:40.246\n目前從這個預算書上面來看對於這個籌辦的部分我們編列了750萬的經費來支應但是我們對這個活動的時間對象還有內容等這個具體的資訊還不是很清楚所以我想是不是就叫我們秘書長對我們明年所要辦的APPLE年會目前的規劃內容還有這個相關的這個可不可以比較詳細的來做一個說明一下\n\n01:41.127 --> 01:54.762\n謝謝參議員我跟參議員做一個比較更清楚的一個說明Apple年會其實是整個國際監察組織就是所謂的IOI底下的一個區域就是我們參加的是澳紐太平洋地區的一個區域\n\n01:56.223 --> 02:20.879\n這個區域是每年開年會的所以我們參加每年的年會算是一個非常重要的那我們這一次又爭取到2025在台灣主辦所以這是繼2011、2019以後第三次在台灣主辦那預期我們現在規劃的時間是總共這個期程是三天那目前到底詳細的時間定在哪裡那或者是說相關的議題我們還在討論當中\n\n02:23.641 --> 02:32.408\n那這個秘書長就等討論出來之後是不是可以給我一個詳細的這個內容好討論出來我們會給陳委員一個報告那相較於這個歷年來我們出國參加各國的這個監察組織的年會和研討會作為這個主辦國除了要對研討交流要讓與會的各國來賓能夠瞭解我國監察\n\n02:47.541 --> 03:10.556\n的和人權的這個實踐那進一步能夠彰顯台灣在國際監察和人權組織當中所代表的一個重要性那我想再請教秘書長就是您認為應該要如何來展現我們在這個監察制度和人權發展上的成果才能夠充分發揮在這一次所舉辦的這個年會上並且發揮最大的效益\n\n03:11.176 --> 03:35.630\n我跟陳委員報告因為這是國際監察組織底下的一個分區基本上在這一個類似每年的April年會裡面最重要的是彼此交流因為我們的制度跟其他人不太一樣我們有獨立的監察院其他國家不見得有我們也希望把我們監察院的特色告訴大家所以我們在討論的過程裡面有委員提到說例如陽光事法\n\n03:36.150 --> 03:51.369\n陽光司法是監察院來負責執行那這個在其他國家裡面非常特殊而且曾經有其他國家請教我們這相關的問題所以也許這個會列為這一次討論的重點之一分享台灣的經驗\n\n03:52.250 --> 04:13.150\n好,那如果我們參照前一次所舉辦的這個Apple年會的經驗除了規劃會議和研討會之外會後還會安排文化參訪的活動讓這個與會的各國貴賓能夠感受到臺灣之美例如我們上一次有安排去故宮還有去板橋的這個林家花園來參訪\n\n04:14.872 --> 04:24.542\n是觀光客經常造訪的景點我想請教秘書長對於這次的年會安排會不會有類似的活動\n\n04:25.290 --> 04:25.310\n好﹖\n\n04:51.985 --> 05:01.831\n從媒體的報導當中我們也看到陳局院長在今年5月前往荷蘭參加國際監察組織IOI年會的時候也誠摯邀請各國的會員能夠在明年的9月來台灣參加我們的年會\n\n05:09.535 --> 05:25.705\n我們希望透過各種管道來擴大國際之間的交流同時也能夠精進我們監察和人權的業務有沒有可能我們監察院未來還有擴大國際活動參與和交流的一個空間\n\n05:26.853 --> 05:47.444\n跟委員報告有我們另外除了這個IOI以外我們有參加一個FIL就是拉丁美洲的一個監察組織那今年非常特別今年是在巴拉圭舉行那今年由FIL的理事長正式提案把台灣列為正式會員所以從今年開始我們就是正式會員\n\n05:48.504 --> 06:10.254\n所以這個部分也是跟拉丁美洲有關監察相關制度的一個交流這個國際交流是非常重要的那這個也是今年的一個重大成就好那因為近年來我們監察院在國際監察組織的這種經營過程當中付出了相當多的這個努力而且能夠增加台灣在國際上的這個能見度\n\n06:11.775 --> 06:33.974\n應該我們也要不分黨派來給予鼓勵和相關的資源我也請我們監察院能夠慎重來辦理我們監察10年會也期待能夠達到所預期的一個效益和一個目標我們會來努力也希望各位委員不分黨派都能夠支持國際外交是非常重要的\n\n06:34.915 --> 07:02.199\n好那針對剛剛講的相關的人權交流議題那會跟我接下來要討論的一個這個部分有一點類相關就是人權會編列超過這個一千萬的預算在辦理人權教材製作和教育推廣的工作而因為這個人權議題相當的廣泛包含國際公約規範的這個權力保障還有反歧視等等\n\n07:02.739 --> 07:21.466\n但是從過去的調查資料當中得知國人對於五大人權公約的聽聞程度未達三成人權會作為人權工作專責的機關也期待我們能夠真正來落實人權教育的普及\n\n07:22.165 --> 07:49.014\n我們也看到過去監察院致力於推動發行外文的刊物以利這個國際間的交流使用包括剛剛我們所講的要辦理Apple年會的規劃當中也涵蓋了人權議題的相關的交流問題我想再請教我們人權會我們每年所開發的這種人權的教材大概有哪些推廣的形式\n\n07:50.814 --> 08:09.188\n我跟委員簡單報告兩個很快第一個部分我們有外文的包括英文跟西班牙文的最主要就是我們剛剛參加IOI跟這個FEEL就是拉丁美洲的國家所以有英文跟西班牙文另外在人權教材推廣我們跟教育部國家國教院\n\n08:10.028 --> 08:28.304\n委員會合作訂了14個核心課程14個網路課程3個podcast的節目還有兩個參訪過程所有的人權教育的教材跟其他部位合作也包括跟考試院的保訓會另外我們現在正在做的是跟內政部警政署\n\n08:28.644 --> 08:54.949\n他們如何執行他們業務時候同時注意到人權我們正在編一個手冊這個就是監察院希望把人權的概念告訴大家那的確國人對人權相關的議題是比較陌生的這個也是我們為什麼要盡力來推廣的一個原因好那我想請教秘書長我們剛剛講的這些文宣還有這些教材我們可以透過什麼管道來取得那如果委員需要的話我們會提供給委員好\n\n08:57.085 --> 09:19.899\n網站也有,我們的網站都有那在這個人權議題和這個人權發展的案例當中和公部門執行業務也有相關的這個連帶的關係所以目前也已經將人權課程的這個教材納入基礎訓練和晉升官的這個相關的訓練這就是我們剛剛講跟保訓會合作保訓會負責訓練\n\n09:22.743 --> 09:48.173\n尤其公部門要擴大引用AI使用的機會科技與人權之間的探討會更加的重要我還是請教就是有關我們這個人權教育未來是否會擴大辦理到公部門訓練和研討的規劃當中而這個人權會和人事總處還有考試院國教院之間我們要如何來分工\n\n09:49.194 --> 10:10.072\n兩個部分第一個部分就是跟國教院跟保訓會跟人事總署我們都有合作第二個部分就是對這樣的人權教育的推廣我們相當重是特別該案委員提到的AI這兩年我們的重點就是AI對人權的潛在影響我們還委託師大來做相關的研究另外我們也辦了國際研討會\n\n10:12.716 --> 10:37.007\n我們也從監察院所提供的相關書面報告當中看到為了落實人權教育的推廣需要將青年族群納入推廣的主體並且要鼓勵對於人權議題進行能夠多元思考我想再請教秘書長我們與大學合作辦理的青年人權教育賠利辦理的情形如何\n\n10:37.927 --> 11:06.226\n我們目前跟11所大學有合作過就是青年的人權議題相關的討論除了討論以外還請青年來瞭解我們邊的人權教材他們的適用這個都有包括大學還包括高中職11所大學那高中職高中職是測試我們的人權教材他們的接受程度我希望說未來我們看能不能向下普及到高中職特別大學的部分我們會更多的合作\n\n11:07.947 --> 11:29.621\n最後我想請教的部分就是有關這個監察院近年來所提出的調查報告的這個案件類型由於國家人權委員會對於這個酷刑或是侵害人權還有歧視案件有關的這個調查責任從這個預算中心整理的這個資料來看對於涉及人權保障的案件\n\n11:30.101 --> 11:30.721\n到底是什麼原因造成這樣的一個趨勢?\n\n11:54.427 --> 12:18.839\n我跟陳委員做一個說明兩個就八個字可以說明第一個是業務轉移第二個是標準不同業務轉移的意思就是我們20208月我們成立國家人權委員會以後很多的人權相關議題是移到人權委員會來那第二個部分就是這個標準不同什麼意思就是我們在人權會成立以後我們曾經在全院的談話會討論過就是\n\n12:20.640 --> 12:40.391\n我們必須依照人權會所有對人權的界定跟標準才能列為人權案件過去說只要跟人權搭上邊都列為人權案件這個不行了現在已經調整了所以看到的好像是數字減少但是純粹從案件的數字這是不標準的因為\n\n12:41.813 --> 12:50.568\n因為案件的標準不同所以其實你看到的是減少但是實際上在人權委員會那邊的案件是非常大量的成長的\n\n12:51.442 --> 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就監察院114年度的預算，以及明年度所要推動的相關計畫來進行討論，我想對於監察院來說，除了監察委員日常推動的政務和人權業務外，每年也會編列預算來辦理考察，也有訪問跟開會等國際交流相關的事務在推動當中，在加強與世界各地監察組織的交流合作，也促進雙邊的良好互動關係，尤其明年度監察院再次要主辦澳紐及太平洋地區的監察使年會，應該是2011年還有2019年後，第三度有機會由臺灣來主辦這場年會……"],["李秘書長俊俋：對，這是第三次。"],["陳委員俊宇：目前從預算書上面來看，對於籌辦的部分，編列了750萬的經費來支應，但是我們對於這個活動的時間、對象還有內容等具體的資訊還不是很清楚，所以我是不是就教秘書長，對於我們明年所要辦的APOR年會，目前的規劃內容還有相關的，可不可以比較詳細的來做說明一下？"],["李秘書長俊俋：好，謝謝陳委員，我跟陳委員做一個更清楚的說明，APOR年會其實是整個國際監察組織，就是所謂的IOI底下的一個區域組織，我們參加的是澳紐太平洋地區的區域，這個區域是每年開年會的，所以我們參加每年的年會，APOR算是一個非常重要的。我們這一次又爭取到2025在臺灣主辦，所以這是繼2011、2019以後，第三次在臺灣主辦，我們現在規劃的期程總共是3天，目前到底詳細的時間訂在哪裡，或者是說相關的議題，我們還在討論當中。"],["陳委員俊宇：好，秘書長，等討論出來之後，是不是可以給我一個詳細的內容？"],["李秘書長俊俋：好，討論出來，我們會給陳委員一個報告。"],["陳委員俊宇：相較於歷年來我們出國參加各國監察組織的年會、研討會，作為主辦國，除了研討交流要讓與會的各國來賓能夠了解我國監察和人權的實踐，進一步能夠彰顯臺灣在國際監察和人權組織當中所代表的一個重要性，我想再請教秘書長，您認為應該要如何來展現我們在監察制度和人權發展上的成果，才能夠充分發揮在這一次所舉辦的這個年會上，並且發揮最大的效益？"],["李秘書長俊俋：是，我跟陳委員報告，因為這是國際監察組織底下的一個分區，基本上在類似每年APOR的年會裡面，最重要的是彼此交流，因為我們的制度跟其他人不太一樣，我們有獨立的監察院，其他國家不見得有，我們也希望把我們監察院的特色告訴大家，所以我們在討論的過程裡面，有委員提到說，例如陽光四法，陽光四法是監察院來負責執行，這個在其他國家裡面非常特殊，而且曾經有其他國家請教我們相關的問題，所以也許這個會列為這一次討論的重點之一，分享臺灣的經驗。"],["陳委員俊宇：好，如果我們參照前一次所舉辦APOR年會的經驗，除了規劃會議和研討會之外，會後還會安排文化參訪的活動，讓與會的各國貴賓能夠感受到臺灣之美，例如我們上一次有安排去故宮，還有去板橋林家花園參訪，是觀光客經常造訪的景點。我想請教秘書長，我們對於這一次年會的安排，會不會有類似的活動？"],["李秘書長俊俋：我們會有參觀活動，但是不一定是剛剛提到的地方，我們希望跟監察院比較有關，比如說監察院本身是一個古蹟，或是跟人權有關，因為監察院同時也是國家人權委員會的所在，所以跟人權有關的，我們也許去看原住民地區，或是看其他相關的這個部分，不一定是剛剛提到的故宮或是其他地方。"],["陳委員俊宇：好，從媒體的報導當中，我們也看到了陳菊院長在今年5月前往荷蘭參加國際監察組織……"],["李秘書長俊俋：IOI年會。"],["陳委員俊宇：對，IOI年會的時候，也誠摯的邀請各國會員能夠在明年9月來臺灣參加我們的年會，我們希望透過各種管道來擴大國際之間的交流，同時也能夠精進我們監察和人權的業務，有沒有可能監察院未來還有擴大國際活動參與和交流的空間？"],["李秘書長俊俋：跟委員報告，有，除了IOI以外，我們有參加FIO，就是拉丁美洲的監察組織，今年非常特別，是在巴拉圭舉行，由FIO的理事長正式提案，把臺灣列為正式會員，所以從今年開始我們就是正式會員，這個部分也是跟拉丁美洲有關監察相關制度的交流，這個國際交流是非常重要的，這也是今年的一個重大成就。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。近年來，監察院在國際監察組織的經營過程中付出了相當多的努力，而且能夠增加臺灣在國際上的能見度，我們應該也要不分黨派來給予鼓勵及相關資源，我也請監察院慎重來辦理監察使年會，也期待能夠達到預期的效益和目標。"],["李秘書長俊俋：我們會來努力，我們也希望各位委員不分黨派都能夠支持，國際外交是非常重要的。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。針對剛剛講的相關人權交流議題，會跟我接下來要討論的部分有一點相關，人權會編列超過1,000萬的預算在辦理人權教材製作和教育推廣的工作，而因為人權議題相當廣泛，包含國際公約規範的權利保障還有反歧視等等，但是從過去的調查資料當中得知國人對於五大人權公約的聽聞程度未達三成，人權會作為人權工作專責機關，也期待我們能夠真正來落實人權教育的普及。我們也看到，過去監察院致力於推動發行外文刊物，以利國際間的交流使用，包括剛剛我們所講的，要辦理APOR年會的規劃，其中也涵蓋了人權議題相關的交流問題。","我想再請教人權會，每年開發的相關人權教材，大概有哪些推廣的形式？"],["李秘書長俊俋：我跟委員簡單報告，兩個部分，第一個部分，我們有外文的，包括英文跟西班牙文的，最主要就是我們剛剛參加IOI跟FIO，就是拉丁美洲的國家，所以有英文跟西班牙文；另外，在人權教材的推廣，我們跟國教院合作訂了14個核心課程、14個網路課程、3個Podcast的節目，還有2個參訪過程，所有人權教育的教材，我們跟其他部會合作，也包括跟考試院的保訓會。另外，我們現在正在做的是跟內政部警政署，有關於他們在執行業務時如何同時注意到人權，我們正在編一個手冊，也就是說監察院希望把人權的概念告訴大家，的確國人對人權相關的議題是比較陌生的，這也是我們為什麼要盡力來推廣的一個原因。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。我想請教秘書長，剛剛講的這些文宣還有這些教材可以透過什麼管道來取得？"],["李秘書長俊俋：如果委員需要的話，我們會提供給委員，網站也有，我們的網站都有。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。在人權議題和人權發展的案例當中，和公部門執行業務也有相關的連帶關係，目前也已經將人權課程的教材納入基礎訓練和晉升官等的相關訓練。"],["李秘書長俊俋：這就是我剛才講的跟保訓會合作的部分，保訓會負責訓練。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。尤其公部門要擴大AI的使用機會，科技與人權之間的探討會更加地重要。我還是請教，有關人權教育，未來是否會擴大辦理到公部門訓練和研討的規劃當中，人權會及人事總處還有考試院、國教院之間要如何來分工？"],["李秘書長俊俋：兩個部分，第一個部分就是跟國教院、跟保訓會、跟人事總處，我們都有合作；第二個部分，就是對於這樣的人權教育的推廣，我們相當重視，特別是委員剛剛提到的AI，這兩年我們的重點就是AI對人權的潛在影響，我們還委託師大來做相關的研究，另外，我們也辦了國際研討會。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。我們也從監察院所提供的相關書面報告中看到，為了落實人權教育的推廣，需要將青年族群納入推廣的主體，並且要鼓勵對於人權議題能夠進行多元思考。我想再請教秘書長，就是我們與大學合作辦理的青年人權教育培力，辦理的情形如何？"],["李秘書長俊俋：我們目前跟11所大學有合作過，就是青年的人權議題相關的討論，除了討論以外，還請青年來了解我們編的人權教材對於他們的適用，這個都有，包括大學及高中職。"],["陳委員俊宇：11所……"],["李秘書長俊俋：11所大學。"],["陳委員俊宇：11所大學，那高中職的部分？"],["李秘書長俊俋：高中職是測試他們對於我們的人權教材的接受程度，我們會持續來辦理。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。我希望未來看能不能向下普及到高中職的部分。"],["李秘書長俊俋：對，我們會向下，特別是大學的部分，我們會有更多的合作。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。最後我想請教的部分就是，有關監察院近年來所提出的調查報告案件類型，由於國家人權委員會對於酷刑或是侵害人權還有歧視案件有關的調查責任，從預算中心整理的資料來看，對於涉及人權保障的案件有下滑的情形，從108年度的276件下滑到112年度的119件，減少一半以上，其中攸關弱勢族群的居住權，還有社會保障權等案件的數量也相對偏低。我想再請教秘書長，到底是什麼原因造成這樣的趨勢？"],["李秘書長俊俋：我跟陳委員做一個說明，兩個部分、八個字可以說明，第一個是業務轉移，第二個是標準不同，業務轉移的意思就是，我們2020年8月成立國家人權委員會以後，很多的人權相關議題是移到人權委員會來；第二個部分就是標準不同，什麼意思？就是在人權會成立以後，我們曾經在全院的談話會討論過，就是我們必須依照人權會所有對人權的界定跟標準才能列為人權案件，過去是說只要跟人權搭上邊都列為人權案件，這個不行了，現在已經調整了，所以看到的好像是數字減少，但是純粹從案件的數字來看，這是不標準的，因為業務轉移，因為案件的標準不同，所以你看到是減少，但實際上在人權委員會那邊的案件是非常大量成長的。"],["陳委員俊宇：好。我們也期待人權會能夠將公約規範還有人權的議題深入到大眾的日常生活當中，也透過我們人權會的努力，讓國人的人權意識能夠向上提升，相關的概念也能夠更加地普及，共同來推動人權的理念，也維護我們臺灣整體人權的進步與保障。"],["李秘書長俊俋：這是我們努力的方向。"],["陳委員俊宇：好，謝謝秘書長。"],["李秘書長俊俋：謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝。","接下來麻煩羅智強委員代理主席。"],["主席（羅委員智強代）：有請吳宗憲委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":230,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-36-14","speakers":["吳宗憲","黃國昌","陳俊宇","莊瑞雄","吳思瑤","沈發惠","羅智強","鍾佳濱","翁曉玲","謝龍介","林思銘","傅崐萁"],"page_start":171,"meetingDate":["2024-11-20"],"gazette_id":"11310201","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310201_00009"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期司法及法制委員會第14次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"審查114年度中央政府總預算案關於監察院主管（不含審計部及所屬）收支部分（僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"11310201_00011"}}}