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00:02:09,093\n可是實際上面在職場遭受霸凌的時候被害者其實他是不敢用他的真名出來向你檢舉的大多數的情況都是這樣不然的話勞動部的那一名員工他也不需要在他的這個辦公室裡面質疑了他有很多檢舉的管道跟平台問題是他被霸凌是他的上司霸凌他所以他如果跳過去了像我們所謂您剛講的委員會去做這樣子的一個說明或是檢舉的話\n\n6\n00:02:10,313 --> 00:02:26,562\n那你處理了以後這個可能他的長官不過是被調動職務而已他反而這個被害人他可能會到更慘的境地這是我們看到職場霸凌裡面最容易發生的事好次長你先不用急著回答因為就有人向我檢舉\n\n7\n00:02:27,623 --> 00:02:48,373\n但是呢對方也不敢具名因為我剛剛要跟您提的事情是具名這件事情對被害人或是吹哨人的壓力很大我國現在還沒有正式的通過吹哨者保護法所以很多知道內情的想幫忙的他們不敢附上自己的名字我們今天呢等一下我會把檢舉信拿給次長\n\n8\n00:02:50,434 --> 00:03:13,423\n我們今天是接到我國駐沙烏地阿拉伯王國代表處的高層張某某因為還沒有確認我們先根據各自法保護他的名字的檢舉信那發生了幾件事情這個是首先他被指控當眾羞辱員工製造內部恐懼也就是\n\n9\n00:03:14,723 --> 00:03:38,351\n資深的員工如果對他來講不聽話他會直接將他們解雇所以這個我想外交部是很容易去查詢的就是說有沒有資深員工被臨時解雇的事情發生我的意思是不見得受害人他要親自出來講我們有很多可以交叉比對的機制就知道這封檢舉信他到底是真是假\n\n10\n00:03:40,612 --> 00:03:59,529\n2.多次與同仁爆發激烈衝突,在公開場合辱罵員工,造成員工的心理壓力。這個第二點,也不需要當事人出來申訴小組,因為有沒有去辱罵員工,我們現在只要知道他針對的對象是沙烏地阿拉伯代表處。\n\n11\n00:04:00,350 --> 00:04:02,591\n第三點更重要,強迫贊助,逼迫同仁為其買單,為了補足代表處的短缺經費。\n\n12\n00:04:22,881 --> 00:04:51,596\n強迫同仁電款．並且使用經費來補助．破壞我們機構的紀律．也傷害了同仁的權益．還有呢．沙烏地阿拉伯是禁止飲酒的．但是呢．他自己本身有喝酒的習慣．所以找了同仁陪他喝酒．那這樣子的話．會對我國的整個外交形象．造成非常嚴重的損害．也可能引起當地政府與宗教界的不滿跟反感．\n\n13\n00:04:52,216 --> 00:05:11,952\n所以這件事情其實也很好查核多去問幾個同仁同仁你們有沒有曾經陪過這位張信的高層有去飲酒只要有喝坦白說就已經違反人家沙烏地阿拉伯他們的教義就對我們的代表處來說是一件很嚴重的事情再來\n\n14\n00:05:13,773 --> 00:05:28,821\n賬目混亂非法濫用資金這個部分也要請外交部去詳查資金有沒有被濫用透過包含是會計相關的查核一定能夠查得出來這是要查不查的問題也不需要被害者站出來\n\n15\n00:05:30,581 --> 00:05:45,449\n反復強迫職員陪同採購．他被指控．對於採購事務．要求員工要陪他去外出購物．導致與同仁沒有辦法在自己的本職上面工作．造成很多的不便跟困擾\n\n16\n00:05:47,251 --> 00:06:02,011\n我剛談到的是﹐最驚訝的是﹐這個重要的高層﹐張信的高層解雇了兩名資深的員工﹐而且對於菲律賓籍的外籍員工進行了非法的遣返﹐\n\n17\n00:06:02,552 --> 00:06:09,981\n在沒有經過合法程序之下扣押菲律賓籍的員工的護照這樣子的舉動不僅是違反了國際勞工的法規還對我們在國際間的形象造成嚴重的損害\n\n18\n00:06:17,651 --> 00:06:19,413\n我想我剛講的內容相當的具體喔不是說好像一兩句這個抹黑的詞句他很明確的列出了這個項目那我剛剛所列舉的幾個事項也能夠讓我們的次長針對整個部分呢做很明確的查核\n\n19\n00:06:34,548 --> 00:06:58,259\n即便受害者本人沒有站出來不敢站出來剛才我提出的資料我相信從外交部直接我們去做調查是能夠去確認以上的幾點有哪些是真的那有沒有碰到問題能否展開調查我們今天要問的是次長能不能夠去調查並且在兩週內提供報告\n\n20\n00:07:01,833 --> 00:07:25,578\n委員如果您信交給我我回去馬上就在這裡那個主席我就把這個簡舉信交給我們的次長好不好因為只有裡面我才有寫出當事人的名字因為各自法保護的問題所以剛才我們是孤影其名但是這封簡舉信裡面是確實有提到這個我們剛剛講的人他的職位以及他的真實姓名\n\n21\n00:07:26,158 --> 00:07:40,519\n所以是不是可以請我們外交部在兩週之內提供報告讓我們知道說這樣子的一個霸凌的事件是否存在於我國駐沙烏地阿拉伯的王國代表處\n\n22\n00:07:41,480 --> 00:08:08,590\n報告委員我們是絕對公正的去調查而且絕對不會護短他如果做錯了一定要接受相當的懲罰但是兩週內我現在沒有辦法把時間因為要找一些陣營去談沒關係那您可以告訴我說大概需要多少時間這樣子好不好兩週內我們可以把一些事證先找到那麼調查的結果可能我講一個月嗎\n\n23\n00:08:11,432 --> 00:08:35,864\n一個月好不好沒問題那我們就是兩週內做一些基本的事證先做初步的了解那這個調查報告我們就在一個月左右的時間來做回覆那謝謝次長因為現在我告訴次長說在每一個不是只有外交部在每一個部會裡面有一些性騷擾的不當管教的霸凌的事件是層出不窮\n\n24\n00:08:36,684 --> 00:08:36,904\n對,我不互動\n\n25\n00:08:52,764 --> 00:09:13,998\n你們護得了他一時護不了他一世啊他又不會每天在你眼皮子底下出現所以我們真切的希望能夠對於這樣子的一個議題進行相關的調查而且是詳細的調查否則對我們的這些在這個外國的使節跟其員工造成很巨大的這個壓力\n\n26\n00:09:15,359 --> 00:09:32,635\n我們不希望勞動部的事件再一次重演如果發生那樣的事情的話我想我們在能夠阻止的時候就應該要盡量的阻止在有人提出檢舉的時候我不管他檢舉寫的有多少內容是真的是假的但是我們至少要盡到查核的義務\n\n27\n00:09:33,456 --> 00:10:01,048\n所以今天為什麼我沒有把對方的名字跟他的工作寫出來就是為了確保萬一裡面有一些不是事實的內容我們不要去誣賴到人家對但是呢該去調查的部分該去主動爭就不要講偵辦啦就是調查到底有沒有這件事的事情其實是外交部的責任當有人提出檢舉的時候外交部就有這樣子的責任針對每一個事件強加的調查\n\n28\n00:10:02,689 --> 00:10:27,086\n所以這個部分要再拜託外交部尤其是這只是一個案例如果還有其他收到檢舉性的情況我希望次長不要說今天對方沒有訓明我們就不查了我們先查那如果說對方當然是亂講的是誣賴的那這個事情就沒有但如果對方有詳細的列出一些細節只要他有可能是真的\n\n29\n00:10:27,486 --> 00:10:52,628\n那我們外交部應該要主動介入調查避免勞動部他們的員工類似的事件發生在我們外交部請問次長可以做得到嗎謝謝謝謝委員為這些受害者發聲我覺得非常重要我們要匡正這些問題不能讓這些問題持續的發酵這個對國家的形象也好對所有老百姓受害者都不是很好的事情\n\n30\n00:10:53,248 --> 00:11:02,221\n所以委員能夠提出來我也保證我們一定會盡我們的權力做詳細公正的調查好謝謝次長謝謝主席\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n435\t3417\t謝謝主席,那我們想請田次長請田次長市委員長次長,您應該知道最近呢在勞動部裡面那有發生這個同仁的霸凌事件就在那個新聞上有看到然後呢這個發生對同仁的霸凌事件之後呢那就導致一位勞動部的這個同仁輕生\n29157\t45506\t所以現在大家對於霸凌的問題都非常的重視那我想要知道外交部對於霸凌事件的相關處理辦法那如果有人遭到這樣子不公平的對待的話他有什麼樣的申訴管道你們會做出什麼樣的相關的懲處或應對措施\n49089\t76767\t謝謝委員的提問其實現在各個公務機關也好私人機關也好對於霸凌這個事情它是跟個人權有關係的特別關注外交部也不例外外交部很早以前就成立了一個人事審查的委員會那麼所有的案件報上來以後它應該有一定的條件第一個必須要有具名\n77748\t94977\t第2個必須要證明 不可以隨便寫 那個就處理不完 據名有實體的證據 那麼我們內部就有成立一個委員會做一個調查 當事人也好 加害人也好 我們經過詳細的調查 還要從旁邊找出一些證據 公平的處理\n100680\t129093\t可是實際上面在職場遭受霸凌的時候被害者其實他是不敢用他的真名出來向你檢舉的大多數的情況都是這樣不然的話勞動部的那一名員工他也不需要在他的這個辦公室裡面質疑了他有很多檢舉的管道跟平台問題是他被霸凌是他的上司霸凌他所以他如果跳過去了像我們所謂您剛講的委員會去做這樣子的一個說明或是檢舉的話\n130313\t146562\t那你處理了以後這個可能他的長官不過是被調動職務而已他反而這個被害人他可能會到更慘的境地這是我們看到職場霸凌裡面最容易發生的事好次長你先不用急著回答因為就有人向我檢舉\n147623\t168373\t但是呢對方也不敢具名因為我剛剛要跟您提的事情是具名這件事情對被害人或是吹哨人的壓力很大我國現在還沒有正式的通過吹哨者保護法所以很多知道內情的想幫忙的他們不敢附上自己的名字我們今天呢等一下我會把檢舉信拿給次長\n170434\t193423\t我們今天是接到我國駐沙烏地阿拉伯王國代表處的高層張某某因為還沒有確認我們先根據各自法保護他的名字的檢舉信那發生了幾件事情這個是首先他被指控當眾羞辱員工製造內部恐懼也就是\n194723\t218351\t資深的員工如果對他來講不聽話他會直接將他們解雇所以這個我想外交部是很容易去查詢的就是說有沒有資深員工被臨時解雇的事情發生我的意思是不見得受害人他要親自出來講我們有很多可以交叉比對的機制就知道這封檢舉信他到底是真是假\n220612\t239529\t2.多次與同仁爆發激烈衝突,在公開場合辱罵員工,造成員工的心理壓力。這個第二點,也不需要當事人出來申訴小組,因為有沒有去辱罵員工,我們現在只要知道他針對的對象是沙烏地阿拉伯代表處。\n240350\t242591\t第三點更重要,強迫贊助,逼迫同仁為其買單,為了補足代表處的短缺經費。\n262881\t291596\t強迫同仁電款．並且使用經費來補助．破壞我們機構的紀律．也傷害了同仁的權益．還有呢．沙烏地阿拉伯是禁止飲酒的．但是呢．他自己本身有喝酒的習慣．所以找了同仁陪他喝酒．那這樣子的話．會對我國的整個外交形象．造成非常嚴重的損害．也可能引起當地政府與宗教界的不滿跟反感．\n292216\t311952\t所以這件事情其實也很好查核多去問幾個同仁同仁你們有沒有曾經陪過這位張信的高層有去飲酒只要有喝坦白說就已經違反人家沙烏地阿拉伯他們的教義就對我們的代表處來說是一件很嚴重的事情再來\n313773\t328821\t賬目混亂非法濫用資金這個部分也要請外交部去詳查資金有沒有被濫用透過包含是會計相關的查核一定能夠查得出來這是要查不查的問題也不需要被害者站出來\n330581\t345449\t反復強迫職員陪同採購．他被指控．對於採購事務．要求員工要陪他去外出購物．導致與同仁沒有辦法在自己的本職上面工作．造成很多的不便跟困擾\n347251\t362011\t我剛談到的是﹐最驚訝的是﹐這個重要的高層﹐張信的高層解雇了兩名資深的員工﹐而且對於菲律賓籍的外籍員工進行了非法的遣返﹐\n362552\t369981\t在沒有經過合法程序之下扣押菲律賓籍的員工的護照這樣子的舉動不僅是違反了國際勞工的法規還對我們在國際間的形象造成嚴重的損害\n377651\t379413\t我想我剛講的內容相當的具體喔不是說好像一兩句這個抹黑的詞句他很明確的列出了這個項目那我剛剛所列舉的幾個事項也能夠讓我們的次長針對整個部分呢做很明確的查核\n394548\t418259\t即便受害者本人沒有站出來不敢站出來剛才我提出的資料我相信從外交部直接我們去做調查是能夠去確認以上的幾點有哪些是真的那有沒有碰到問題能否展開調查我們今天要問的是次長能不能夠去調查並且在兩週內提供報告\n421833\t445578\t委員如果您信交給我我回去馬上就在這裡那個主席我就把這個簡舉信交給我們的次長好不好因為只有裡面我才有寫出當事人的名字因為各自法保護的問題所以剛才我們是孤影其名但是這封簡舉信裡面是確實有提到這個我們剛剛講的人他的職位以及他的真實姓名\n446158\t460519\t所以是不是可以請我們外交部在兩週之內提供報告讓我們知道說這樣子的一個霸凌的事件是否存在於我國駐沙烏地阿拉伯的王國代表處\n461480\t488590\t報告委員我們是絕對公正的去調查而且絕對不會護短他如果做錯了一定要接受相當的懲罰但是兩週內我現在沒有辦法把時間因為要找一些陣營去談沒關係那您可以告訴我說大概需要多少時間這樣子好不好兩週內我們可以把一些事證先找到那麼調查的結果可能我講一個月嗎\n491432\t515864\t一個月好不好沒問題那我們就是兩週內做一些基本的事證先做初步的了解那這個調查報告我們就在一個月左右的時間來做回覆那謝謝次長因為現在我告訴次長說在每一個不是只有外交部在每一個部會裡面有一些性騷擾的不當管教的霸凌的事件是層出不窮\n516684\t516904\t對,我不互動\n532764\t553998\t你們護得了他 一時護不了他一世啊他又不會每天在你眼皮子底下出現所以我們真切的希望能夠對於這樣子的一個議題進行相關的調查而且是詳細的調查否則對我們的這些在這個外國的使節跟其員工造成很巨大的這個壓力\n555359\t572635\t我們不希望勞動部的事件再一次重演如果發生那樣的事情的話我想我們在能夠阻止的時候就應該要盡量的阻止在有人提出檢舉的時候我不管他檢舉寫的有多少內容是真的是假的但是我們至少要盡到查核的義務\n573456\t601048\t所以今天為什麼我沒有把對方的名字跟他的工作寫出來就是為了確保萬一裡面有一些不是事實的內容我們不要去誣賴到人家對但是呢該去調查的部分該去主動爭就不要講偵辦啦就是調查到底有沒有這件事的事情其實是外交部的責任當有人提出檢舉的時候外交部就有這樣子的責任針對每一個事件強加的調查\n602689\t627086\t所以這個部分要再拜託外交部尤其是這只是一個案例如果還有其他收到檢舉性的情況我希望次長不要說今天對方沒有訓明我們就不查了我們先查那如果說對方當然是亂講的是誣賴的那這個事情就沒有但如果對方有詳細的列出一些細節只要他有可能是真的\n627486\t652628\t那我們外交部應該要主動介入調查避免勞動部他們的員工類似的事件發生在我們外交部請問次長可以做得到嗎謝謝 謝謝委員為這些受害者發聲我覺得非常重要我們要匡正這些問題不能讓這些問題持續的發酵這個對國家的形象也好對所有老百姓受害者都不是很好的事情\n653248\t662221\t所以委員能夠提出來我也保證我們一定會盡我們的權力做詳細公正的調查好 謝謝次長 謝謝主席\n","txt":"謝謝主席,那我們想請田次長請田次長市委員長次長,您應該知道最近呢在勞動部裡面那有發生這個同仁的霸凌事件就在那個新聞上有看到然後呢這個發生對同仁的霸凌事件之後呢那就導致一位勞動部的這個同仁輕生\n所以現在大家對於霸凌的問題都非常的重視那我想要知道外交部對於霸凌事件的相關處理辦法那如果有人遭到這樣子不公平的對待的話他有什麼樣的申訴管道你們會做出什麼樣的相關的懲處或應對措施\n謝謝委員的提問其實現在各個公務機關也好私人機關也好對於霸凌這個事情它是跟個人權有關係的特別關注外交部也不例外外交部很早以前就成立了一個人事審查的委員會那麼所有的案件報上來以後它應該有一定的條件第一個必須要有具名\n第2個必須要證明 不可以隨便寫 那個就處理不完 據名有實體的證據 那麼我們內部就有成立一個委員會做一個調查 當事人也好 加害人也好 我們經過詳細的調查 還要從旁邊找出一些證據 公平的處理\n可是實際上面在職場遭受霸凌的時候被害者其實他是不敢用他的真名出來向你檢舉的大多數的情況都是這樣不然的話勞動部的那一名員工他也不需要在他的這個辦公室裡面質疑了他有很多檢舉的管道跟平台問題是他被霸凌是他的上司霸凌他所以他如果跳過去了像我們所謂您剛講的委員會去做這樣子的一個說明或是檢舉的話\n那你處理了以後這個可能他的長官不過是被調動職務而已他反而這個被害人他可能會到更慘的境地這是我們看到職場霸凌裡面最容易發生的事好次長你先不用急著回答因為就有人向我檢舉\n但是呢對方也不敢具名因為我剛剛要跟您提的事情是具名這件事情對被害人或是吹哨人的壓力很大我國現在還沒有正式的通過吹哨者保護法所以很多知道內情的想幫忙的他們不敢附上自己的名字我們今天呢等一下我會把檢舉信拿給次長\n我們今天是接到我國駐沙烏地阿拉伯王國代表處的高層張某某因為還沒有確認我們先根據各自法保護他的名字的檢舉信那發生了幾件事情這個是首先他被指控當眾羞辱員工製造內部恐懼也就是\n資深的員工如果對他來講不聽話他會直接將他們解雇所以這個我想外交部是很容易去查詢的就是說有沒有資深員工被臨時解雇的事情發生我的意思是不見得受害人他要親自出來講我們有很多可以交叉比對的機制就知道這封檢舉信他到底是真是假\n2.多次與同仁爆發激烈衝突,在公開場合辱罵員工,造成員工的心理壓力。這個第二點,也不需要當事人出來申訴小組,因為有沒有去辱罵員工,我們現在只要知道他針對的對象是沙烏地阿拉伯代表處。\n第三點更重要,強迫贊助,逼迫同仁為其買單,為了補足代表處的短缺經費。\n強迫同仁電款．並且使用經費來補助．破壞我們機構的紀律．也傷害了同仁的權益．還有呢．沙烏地阿拉伯是禁止飲酒的．但是呢．他自己本身有喝酒的習慣．所以找了同仁陪他喝酒．那這樣子的話．會對我國的整個外交形象．造成非常嚴重的損害．也可能引起當地政府與宗教界的不滿跟反感．\n所以這件事情其實也很好查核多去問幾個同仁同仁你們有沒有曾經陪過這位張信的高層有去飲酒只要有喝坦白說就已經違反人家沙烏地阿拉伯他們的教義就對我們的代表處來說是一件很嚴重的事情再來\n賬目混亂非法濫用資金這個部分也要請外交部去詳查資金有沒有被濫用透過包含是會計相關的查核一定能夠查得出來這是要查不查的問題也不需要被害者站出來\n反復強迫職員陪同採購．他被指控．對於採購事務．要求員工要陪他去外出購物．導致與同仁沒有辦法在自己的本職上面工作．造成很多的不便跟困擾\n我剛談到的是﹐最驚訝的是﹐這個重要的高層﹐張信的高層解雇了兩名資深的員工﹐而且對於菲律賓籍的外籍員工進行了非法的遣返﹐\n在沒有經過合法程序之下扣押菲律賓籍的員工的護照這樣子的舉動不僅是違反了國際勞工的法規還對我們在國際間的形象造成嚴重的損害\n我想我剛講的內容相當的具體喔不是說好像一兩句這個抹黑的詞句他很明確的列出了這個項目那我剛剛所列舉的幾個事項也能夠讓我們的次長針對整個部分呢做很明確的查核\n即便受害者本人沒有站出來不敢站出來剛才我提出的資料我相信從外交部直接我們去做調查是能夠去確認以上的幾點有哪些是真的那有沒有碰到問題能否展開調查我們今天要問的是次長能不能夠去調查並且在兩週內提供報告\n委員如果您信交給我我回去馬上就在這裡那個主席我就把這個簡舉信交給我們的次長好不好因為只有裡面我才有寫出當事人的名字因為各自法保護的問題所以剛才我們是孤影其名但是這封簡舉信裡面是確實有提到這個我們剛剛講的人他的職位以及他的真實姓名\n所以是不是可以請我們外交部在兩週之內提供報告讓我們知道說這樣子的一個霸凌的事件是否存在於我國駐沙烏地阿拉伯的王國代表處\n報告委員我們是絕對公正的去調查而且絕對不會護短他如果做錯了一定要接受相當的懲罰但是兩週內我現在沒有辦法把時間因為要找一些陣營去談沒關係那您可以告訴我說大概需要多少時間這樣子好不好兩週內我們可以把一些事證先找到那麼調查的結果可能我講一個月嗎\n一個月好不好沒問題那我們就是兩週內做一些基本的事證先做初步的了解那這個調查報告我們就在一個月左右的時間來做回覆那謝謝次長因為現在我告訴次長說在每一個不是只有外交部在每一個部會裡面有一些性騷擾的不當管教的霸凌的事件是層出不窮\n對,我不互動\n你們護得了他 一時護不了他一世啊他又不會每天在你眼皮子底下出現所以我們真切的希望能夠對於這樣子的一個議題進行相關的調查而且是詳細的調查否則對我們的這些在這個外國的使節跟其員工造成很巨大的這個壓力\n我們不希望勞動部的事件再一次重演如果發生那樣的事情的話我想我們在能夠阻止的時候就應該要盡量的阻止在有人提出檢舉的時候我不管他檢舉寫的有多少內容是真的是假的但是我們至少要盡到查核的義務\n所以今天為什麼我沒有把對方的名字跟他的工作寫出來就是為了確保萬一裡面有一些不是事實的內容我們不要去誣賴到人家對但是呢該去調查的部分該去主動爭就不要講偵辦啦就是調查到底有沒有這件事的事情其實是外交部的責任當有人提出檢舉的時候外交部就有這樣子的責任針對每一個事件強加的調查\n所以這個部分要再拜託外交部尤其是這只是一個案例如果還有其他收到檢舉性的情況我希望次長不要說今天對方沒有訓明我們就不查了我們先查那如果說對方當然是亂講的是誣賴的那這個事情就沒有但如果對方有詳細的列出一些細節只要他有可能是真的\n那我們外交部應該要主動介入調查避免勞動部他們的員工類似的事件發生在我們外交部請問次長可以做得到嗎謝謝 謝謝委員為這些受害者發聲我覺得非常重要我們要匡正這些問題不能讓這些問題持續的發酵這個對國家的形象也好對所有老百姓受害者都不是很好的事情\n所以委員能夠提出來我也保證我們一定會盡我們的權力做詳細公正的調查好 謝謝次長 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.435 --> 00:03.417\n謝謝主席,那我們想請田次長請田次長市委員長次長,您應該知道最近呢在勞動部裡面那有發生這個同仁的霸凌事件就在那個新聞上有看到然後呢這個發生對同仁的霸凌事件之後呢那就導致一位勞動部的這個同仁輕生\n\n00:29.157 --> 00:45.506\n所以現在大家對於霸凌的問題都非常的重視那我想要知道外交部對於霸凌事件的相關處理辦法那如果有人遭到這樣子不公平的對待的話他有什麼樣的申訴管道你們會做出什麼樣的相關的懲處或應對措施\n\n00:49.089 --> 01:16.767\n謝謝委員的提問其實現在各個公務機關也好私人機關也好對於霸凌這個事情它是跟個人權有關係的特別關注外交部也不例外外交部很早以前就成立了一個人事審查的委員會那麼所有的案件報上來以後它應該有一定的條件第一個必須要有具名\n\n01:17.748 --> 01:34.977\n第2個必須要證明不可以隨便寫那個就處理不完據名有實體的證據那麼我們內部就有成立一個委員會做一個調查當事人也好加害人也好我們經過詳細的調查還要從旁邊找出一些證據公平的處理\n\n01:40.680 --> 02:09.093\n可是實際上面在職場遭受霸凌的時候被害者其實他是不敢用他的真名出來向你檢舉的大多數的情況都是這樣不然的話勞動部的那一名員工他也不需要在他的這個辦公室裡面質疑了他有很多檢舉的管道跟平台問題是他被霸凌是他的上司霸凌他所以他如果跳過去了像我們所謂您剛講的委員會去做這樣子的一個說明或是檢舉的話\n\n02:10.313 --> 02:26.562\n那你處理了以後這個可能他的長官不過是被調動職務而已他反而這個被害人他可能會到更慘的境地這是我們看到職場霸凌裡面最容易發生的事好次長你先不用急著回答因為就有人向我檢舉\n\n02:27.623 --> 02:48.373\n但是呢對方也不敢具名因為我剛剛要跟您提的事情是具名這件事情對被害人或是吹哨人的壓力很大我國現在還沒有正式的通過吹哨者保護法所以很多知道內情的想幫忙的他們不敢附上自己的名字我們今天呢等一下我會把檢舉信拿給次長\n\n02:50.434 --> 03:13.423\n我們今天是接到我國駐沙烏地阿拉伯王國代表處的高層張某某因為還沒有確認我們先根據各自法保護他的名字的檢舉信那發生了幾件事情這個是首先他被指控當眾羞辱員工製造內部恐懼也就是\n\n03:14.723 --> 03:38.351\n資深的員工如果對他來講不聽話他會直接將他們解雇所以這個我想外交部是很容易去查詢的就是說有沒有資深員工被臨時解雇的事情發生我的意思是不見得受害人他要親自出來講我們有很多可以交叉比對的機制就知道這封檢舉信他到底是真是假\n\n03:40.612 --> 03:59.529\n2.多次與同仁爆發激烈衝突,在公開場合辱罵員工,造成員工的心理壓力。這個第二點,也不需要當事人出來申訴小組,因為有沒有去辱罵員工,我們現在只要知道他針對的對象是沙烏地阿拉伯代表處。\n\n04:00.350 --> 04:02.591\n第三點更重要,強迫贊助,逼迫同仁為其買單,為了補足代表處的短缺經費。\n\n04:22.881 --> 04:51.596\n強迫同仁電款．並且使用經費來補助．破壞我們機構的紀律．也傷害了同仁的權益．還有呢．沙烏地阿拉伯是禁止飲酒的．但是呢．他自己本身有喝酒的習慣．所以找了同仁陪他喝酒．那這樣子的話．會對我國的整個外交形象．造成非常嚴重的損害．也可能引起當地政府與宗教界的不滿跟反感．\n\n04:52.216 --> 05:11.952\n所以這件事情其實也很好查核多去問幾個同仁同仁你們有沒有曾經陪過這位張信的高層有去飲酒只要有喝坦白說就已經違反人家沙烏地阿拉伯他們的教義就對我們的代表處來說是一件很嚴重的事情再來\n\n05:13.773 --> 05:28.821\n賬目混亂非法濫用資金這個部分也要請外交部去詳查資金有沒有被濫用透過包含是會計相關的查核一定能夠查得出來這是要查不查的問題也不需要被害者站出來\n\n05:30.581 --> 05:45.449\n反復強迫職員陪同採購．他被指控．對於採購事務．要求員工要陪他去外出購物．導致與同仁沒有辦法在自己的本職上面工作．造成很多的不便跟困擾\n\n05:47.251 --> 06:02.011\n我剛談到的是﹐最驚訝的是﹐這個重要的高層﹐張信的高層解雇了兩名資深的員工﹐而且對於菲律賓籍的外籍員工進行了非法的遣返﹐\n\n06:02.552 --> 06:09.981\n在沒有經過合法程序之下扣押菲律賓籍的員工的護照這樣子的舉動不僅是違反了國際勞工的法規還對我們在國際間的形象造成嚴重的損害\n\n06:17.651 --> 06:19.413\n我想我剛講的內容相當的具體喔不是說好像一兩句這個抹黑的詞句他很明確的列出了這個項目那我剛剛所列舉的幾個事項也能夠讓我們的次長針對整個部分呢做很明確的查核\n\n06:34.548 --> 06:58.259\n即便受害者本人沒有站出來不敢站出來剛才我提出的資料我相信從外交部直接我們去做調查是能夠去確認以上的幾點有哪些是真的那有沒有碰到問題能否展開調查我們今天要問的是次長能不能夠去調查並且在兩週內提供報告\n\n07:01.833 --> 07:25.578\n委員如果您信交給我我回去馬上就在這裡那個主席我就把這個簡舉信交給我們的次長好不好因為只有裡面我才有寫出當事人的名字因為各自法保護的問題所以剛才我們是孤影其名但是這封簡舉信裡面是確實有提到這個我們剛剛講的人他的職位以及他的真實姓名\n\n07:26.158 --> 07:40.519\n所以是不是可以請我們外交部在兩週之內提供報告讓我們知道說這樣子的一個霸凌的事件是否存在於我國駐沙烏地阿拉伯的王國代表處\n\n07:41.480 --> 08:08.590\n報告委員我們是絕對公正的去調查而且絕對不會護短他如果做錯了一定要接受相當的懲罰但是兩週內我現在沒有辦法把時間因為要找一些陣營去談沒關係那您可以告訴我說大概需要多少時間這樣子好不好兩週內我們可以把一些事證先找到那麼調查的結果可能我講一個月嗎\n\n08:11.432 --> 08:35.864\n一個月好不好沒問題那我們就是兩週內做一些基本的事證先做初步的了解那這個調查報告我們就在一個月左右的時間來做回覆那謝謝次長因為現在我告訴次長說在每一個不是只有外交部在每一個部會裡面有一些性騷擾的不當管教的霸凌的事件是層出不窮\n\n08:36.684 --> 08:36.904\n對,我不互動\n\n08:52.764 --> 09:13.998\n你們護得了他一時護不了他一世啊他又不會每天在你眼皮子底下出現所以我們真切的希望能夠對於這樣子的一個議題進行相關的調查而且是詳細的調查否則對我們的這些在這個外國的使節跟其員工造成很巨大的這個壓力\n\n09:15.359 --> 09:32.635\n我們不希望勞動部的事件再一次重演如果發生那樣的事情的話我想我們在能夠阻止的時候就應該要盡量的阻止在有人提出檢舉的時候我不管他檢舉寫的有多少內容是真的是假的但是我們至少要盡到查核的義務\n\n09:33.456 --> 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