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00:01:56,001\n台電在核三廠內做光電的一個工程是不是要經過環評?他們有經過這個詢問這個相關的管制機關\n\n8\n00:02:17,506 --> 00:02:21,169\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預\n\n9\n00:02:34,142 --> 00:02:35,803\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預\n\n10\n00:03:01,031 --> 00:03:01,732\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預\n\n11\n00:03:22,905 --> 00:03:23,706\n三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預算案\n\n12\n00:03:43,556 --> 00:03:44,156\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預算案\n\n13\n00:04:14,457 --> 00:04:17,198\n議員提供的工程開會通知主委你知道吧?屋頂型的太陽光電是在11、112年4月21號發函通知核安會。核安會什麼時候給予?\n\n14\n00:04:34,335 --> 00:04:39,238\n回覆4月27號6天時間你就可以讓他開工6天時間你就馬上核准了還有呢還有一個規定他是告訴你說這樣的一個計劃你必須要在111年到113年要辦理此案如果你沒有辦法在這個時間點之內辦完了之後呢要提供新的期程規劃那我要告訴主委\n\n15\n00:04:59,389 --> 00:05:01,630\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預\n\n16\n00:05:17,060 --> 00:05:17,721\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預\n\n17\n00:05:33,379 --> 00:05:47,224\n你們為什麼可以放水?我們你剛剛信誓旦旦告訴我你們現在是完全用安全其他都推給能源其他都推給其他部會可是光是在安全的部分你們都沒有辦法做好把關嗎?事實擺在這個地方啊這就是我們所看到的啊那我請問你113年12月號才開工他需不需要提出新的規範照你們的規範裡面你是需要提出來的他們有嗎?他們有嗎?\n\n18\n00:06:05,066 --> 00:06:30,927\n我們請何安安回應誰能夠回答我這個問題首先剛才委員說說我們收到以後6個天就同意其實在之前事實上我們都有進行審查那這個函的話只是針對他影響評估報告之後續管制事項做的說明那你就把你那些我審查部分拿給我你們這個發函之後你馬上就給我還有你如何解釋地面型的太陽光電的這個部分\n\n19\n00:06:31,684 --> 00:06:34,285\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預\n\n20\n00:06:55,470 --> 00:07:03,376\n三個月之內要補足目前為止我都不曉得是不是我們的左院長已經忘記這個單位讓大家已經變成非常的邊緣化然後信誓旦旦告訴我們我們要來做這樣很多的安全更何況我要問我們的預算當中有關於儲存這個所謂第三期的這個中期儲存場的部分裡面\n\n21\n00:07:15,465 --> 00:07:18,886\n目前為止沒有任何的一個訊息然後呢包括核安會還編了兩千多萬連台電都編了兩千多萬但是呢我為大家報區的緣故是什麼你們每一次發函請這個非核家園推動小組來開會的時候他們對你們的態度也一點都不積極然後呢每次給你們的回覆都一副好像事不關己的樣子可是在審預算的時候在編預算的時候\n\n22\n00:07:43,072 --> 00:07:45,274\n總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預\n\n23\n00:07:59,980 --> 00:08:12,448\n大家都沒有任何的進度然後就拖在那個地方然後呢你們要求他們雕出低階的核廢掉的解決方法但是他們有理你們嗎我們這個單位有沒有非核的小組有理過你們貴單位嗎沒有的話那你們怎麼回應他們呢\n\n24\n00:08:19,833 --> 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配合這個部分，我當然知道核安會很多人，我覺得大家委屈了，因為過去有這麼多核工人才在這個地方，可是現在連一個主委3個月之內要補足，但是到目前為止，我都不曉得是不是我們的卓院長已經忘記這個單位，讓大家已經變成非常的邊緣化，然後信誓旦旦告訴我們要來做這樣很多的安全。","更何況我還要問，在我們的預算當中，有關於貯存所謂第三期中期貯存場的部分，目前為止沒有任何的一個訊息，然後包括核安會還編了兩千多萬，連台電都編了兩千多萬！我為大家抱屈的緣故是什麼？你們每一次發函請非核家園推動小組來開會的時候，他們對你們的態度也一點都不積極，然後每次給你們的回復都一副好像事不關己的樣子，可是在審預算的時候，在編預算的時候，有關於中期貯存場的部分，你們還是編了兩千多萬，台電也編了兩千多萬，可是給我們的結果還是沒有一個結果，所以你覺得我們這個預算要怎麼給呢？我們這個預算該怎麼給呢？這才是我們今天很大的一個問題，不是嗎？大家都沒有任何的進度，然後就拖在那個地方，然後你們要求他們交出低階核廢料的解決方法，但是他們有理你們嗎？對於你們這個單位，非核小組有理過你們貴單位嗎？沒有的話，你們怎麼回應他們呢？所以我就說，今天雖然在這邊質詢，但是也為你們感到有一些的委屈，因為你們所發出去的東西沒人鳥這件事情，這個東西怎麼樣來處理？這個東西怎麼樣來處理？然後最重要的是，這個部分，因為時間到了，本席絕對會在審查預算的過程當中要求這樣一個小組，要求這個非核推動小組來跟我們講個明白，否則這個預算都沒有結果，然後永遠給我一個官式的回應，但是我每年還是要編兩千多萬，我覺得這個東西對群眾來說，對人民來說，這種納稅錢是不應該這樣子給的，好不好？"],["張代理主任委員欣：好，我們後續會做補充說明。"],["柯委員志恩：一定要很清楚的補充說明，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝柯志恩委員的質詢，代主委請回。","下一個我們請葛如鈞委員質詢，郭昱晴委員質詢完後休息10分鐘。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":358,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-9","speakers":["范雲","洪孟楷","萬美玲","林宜瑾","林倩綺","張雅琳","柯志恩","葛如鈞","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","吳沛憶","陳培瑜","羅廷瑋","葉元之","吳春城"],"page_start":313,"meetingDate":["2024-11-20"],"gazette_id":"11310401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310401_00006"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請核能安全委員會代理主任委員張欣列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查114年度中\n央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預算案；三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有\n關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預算案；四、審查114年度行政法人國家\n原子能科技研究院預算案（第二案至第四案僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"11310401_00005"}}}