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00:02:02,269\n那至少這樣的必須要讓社會各界都要清楚謝謝委員讓我在這個地方有機會澄清我確實來服務這個國家我是基於說這個在目前這這麼好的一個經濟情形\n\n7\n00:02:03,050 --> 00:02:30,425\n那過去我所學的跟我的經驗有辦法幫助這整個的部門來提升所以我才進來公務那對我來講我其實這個年紀啊我也不會再去求什麼更高的這個權位沒有必要我想我都犧牲我自己的收益了嘛我怎麼會在這個以公謀私呢這樣的一個指證我真的有辦法接受\n\n8\n00:02:30,725 --> 00:02:30,825\n賴瑞隆議員\n\n9\n00:02:51,966 --> 00:02:55,509\n臺積電2奈米在高雄的這個沒有問題嗎?施作廠沒有問題吧?沒有問題那臺積電現在美國川普上來之後他也還是會積極爭取啦那2奈米會到美國去\n\n10\n00:03:21,626 --> 00:03:38,260\n在一定的時間他也會走向這個因為市場有需求我想經營一個企業我們到海外大概兩個基本的要件第一個就是我們看到那個市場有需求第二個看到那個國家有我們需要的資源\n\n11\n00:03:39,541 --> 00:04:08,924\n這個是我們發展這個國際企業最重要的兩個關鍵因素那麼台積電到美國要不要兩奈米的這樣的一個製程過去我想要看美國的市場需求第二個台積電不是去那邊做善事的是他那個公司他是100%的子公司基於經營公司我今天在海外經營一個公司一定要能夠賺錢是一定要能夠賺錢所以對他來講沒有把握的製程是不可能往外走\n\n12\n00:04:09,144 --> 00:04:17,515\n所以其實到美國這個部分還沒有完全那個但是高雄的這四座是確定的沒問題嘛對不對高雄的現在是蓄勢待發\n\n13\n00:04:19,375 --> 00:04:43,933\n跟部長確認不會有變數就好另外我請教一下MVD到這個人工智慧創新研發中心在高雄的計畫有沒有改變沒有一樣繼續進行到持續來進行會投資243億的一個經費那AMD的部分研發中心在高雄雅灣的部分這個也在進行當中嗎現在AMD的部分就我所了解他是跟那個中山大學\n\n14\n00:04:44,753 --> 00:04:44,893\n賴瑞隆\n\n15\n00:05:01,690 --> 00:05:29,029\n這個智慧這一塊投入相當多的心力我們希望部長全力的來支持讓雅灣有機會南北這一塊的平衡上面能夠做得更好讓雅灣過去從工業的城市有機會轉型成這個AI智慧的一個城市好不好是好謝謝再要請教一下電力的問題其實我們看了一下電力其實政府都做了充分的一些供應那其實我們的策略上大概就是減煤、增氣同時再生能源持續發展同時儲能\n\n16\n00:05:30,330 --> 00:05:46,462\n部長是這樣的方向嘛對不對是的所以到2023年我看幾乎所有的這個備轉容量的部分其實都是做一個很好的一個我看甚至有到二十幾的部分這應該都是相當好的一個數字狀況了這邊董事長要說明嗎還是\n\n17\n00:05:49,991 --> 00:06:10,514\n不用部長好不好那沒關係不用說明就是我只是請部長還是要持續的推啦齁呃綠電要持續推綠電出現了一些問題是在地方政府出現問題那個一定要查一定要解決那些問題但是不要被汙名化綠電的政策絕對是一個國家正確的政策如果被汙名化了台灣在這路上面走慢了或者是拖隊了\n\n18\n00:06:11,295 --> 00:06:37,924\n反而很可惜很多國家是羨慕台灣走得這麼快結果我們被某些因素拖住了特別是惡意用地方因素來抹黑攻擊我希望部長都要強力的澄清好不好這絕對是個正確綠電包括這個淨零碳排這一塊絕對都是未來趨勢一定要走的那我們也努力的做了蒸汽的部分也在做了那甚至於除電我們也在做了所以我都希望未來包括\n\n19\n00:06:38,624 --> 00:07:00,294\n部長這邊都能夠持續支持讓我們的電力能更加的穩定讓我們的這個國家經濟民生都能夠持續的發展好不好好的謝謝再來我請教要用電卻不發電其實這是我一直長期質疑的問題北部是最明顯北部幾乎是發用他需要的電量是遠遠不足他的發電量\n\n20\n00:07:02,673 --> 00:07:30,722\n他連高雄的部分連第7接收站都在做了高雄有40%電力是中送北送都已經在做第7接收站了而北部的部分這些卻不進行我覺得這一塊部長還是要持續的去要求啦齁如果北部的部分在電力上面始終你連電廠也不蓋你連電電所也不蓋那電要從哪裡來你的產業發展哪裡來你要招商的時候你的電哪裡來所以我覺得這個同時間在未來有更多招商還是要持續的講\n\n21\n00:07:32,383 --> 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主席加油請國務長請經濟部國務長部長\n那個我看一下那一天在這個質詢的時候被國民黨籍的副會計委員指控你說你規避財產申報把股份轉給兒子用兒子當人頭部長有這樣的事嗎我一切都是按照這個法律規定在進行那我並不是轉給他\n我是轉給公司轉給一家投資公司所以我想這個可能是他在這部分沒有了解得很清楚對我來講\n我是一切都依法行事但是對不實的指控我會馬上的提出我想有任何不實指控都要表達強烈的抗議跟澄清讓社會知道因為如果一個成功的企業家那進入到政府機關來服務的話特別是進入到服務的話那如果可以被這樣攻擊跟抹黑的話那未來會更多我們更難找到更多的人願意來為國家服務\n我都堅決的主張不管是從政務官文官都要極力的捍衛要捍衛這樣子才有辦法讓這個整個更多的人才願意在政府部門服務我相信郭董絕對不缺錢郭部長也絕對不缺錢那你也不會你也不是來這邊賺錢的你是來替國家服務的\n那至少這樣的必須要讓社會各界都要清楚謝謝委員讓我在這個地方有機會澄清我確實來服務這個國家我是基於說這個在目前這這麼好的一個經濟情形\n那過去我所學的跟我的經驗有辦法幫助這整個的部門來提升所以我才進來公務那對我來講我其實這個年紀啊我也不會再去求什麼更高的這個權位沒有必要我想我都犧牲我自己的收益了嘛我怎麼會在這個以公謀私呢這樣的一個指證我真的有辦法接受\n賴瑞隆議員\n臺積電2奈米在高雄的這個沒有問題嗎?施作廠沒有問題吧?沒有問題那臺積電現在美國川普上來之後他也還是會積極爭取啦那2奈米會到美國去\n在一定的時間他也會走向這個因為市場有需求我想經營一個企業我們到海外大概兩個基本的要件第一個就是我們看到那個市場有需求第二個看到那個國家有我們需要的資源\n這個是我們發展這個國際企業最重要的兩個關鍵因素那麼台積電到美國要不要兩奈米的這樣的一個製程過去我想要看美國的市場需求第二個台積電不是去那邊做善事的是他那個公司他是100%的子公司基於經營公司我今天在海外經營一個公司一定要能夠賺錢是一定要能夠賺錢所以對他來講沒有把握的製程是不可能往外走\n所以其實到美國這個部分還沒有完全那個但是高雄的這四座是確定的沒問題嘛對不對高雄的現在是蓄勢待發\n跟部長確認不會有變數就好另外我請教一下MVD到這個人工智慧創新研發中心在高雄的計畫有沒有改變沒有一樣繼續進行到持續來進行會投資243億的一個經費那AMD的部分研發中心在高雄雅灣的部分這個也在進行當中嗎現在AMD的部分就我所了解他是跟那個中山大學\n賴瑞隆\n這個智慧這一塊投入相當多的心力我們希望部長全力的來支持讓雅灣有機會南北這一塊的平衡上面能夠做得更好讓雅灣過去從工業的城市有機會轉型成這個AI智慧的一個城市好不好是好謝謝再要請教一下電力的問題其實我們看了一下電力其實政府都做了充分的一些供應那其實我們的策略上大概就是減煤、增氣同時再生能源持續發展同時儲能\n部長是這樣的方向嘛 對不對是的 所以到2023年我看幾乎所有的這個備轉容量的部分其實都是做一個很好的一個我看甚至有到二十幾的部分這應該都是相當好的一個數字狀況了這邊董事長要說明嗎 還是\n不用部長好不好那沒關係不用說明就是我只是請部長還是要持續的推啦齁呃綠電要持續推綠電出現了一些問題是在地方政府出現問題那個一定要查一定要解決那些問題但是不要被汙名化綠電的政策絕對是一個國家正確的政策如果被汙名化了台灣在這路上面走慢了或者是拖隊了\n反而很可惜很多國家是羨慕台灣走得這麼快結果我們被某些因素拖住了特別是惡意用地方因素來抹黑攻擊我希望部長都要強力的澄清好不好這絕對是個正確綠電包括這個淨零碳排這一塊絕對都是未來趨勢一定要走的那我們也努力的做了蒸汽的部分也在做了那甚至於除電我們也在做了所以我都希望未來包括\n部長這邊都能夠持續支持讓我們的電力能更加的穩定讓我們的這個國家經濟民生都能夠持續的發展好不好 好的 謝謝再來我請教要用電卻不發電其實這是我一直長期質疑的問題北部是最明顯北部幾乎是發用他需要的電量是遠遠不足他的發電量\n他連高雄的部分連第7接收站都在做了高雄有40%電力是中送北送都已經在做第7接收站了而北部的部分這些卻不進行我覺得這一塊部長還是要持續的去要求啦齁如果北部的部分在電力上面始終你連電廠也不蓋你連電電所也不蓋那電要從哪裡來你的產業發展哪裡來你要招商的時候你的電哪裡來所以我覺得這個同時間在未來有更多招商還是要持續的講\n南部有電南部超前部署了很多電我們現在還在幹新的燃氣電廠超前部署這是為國家在部署但是也是為南部在部署我們希望在未來有更多招商機會的時候部長應該鼓勵更多企業往南部思考因為電力是充足的\n是謝謝委員我想這個電力充足的地方將是未來廠商前往的地方這個就是大家平常在講的花若盛開蝴蝶自來所以我想我們高雄南部如果他是充分的電力廠商在選擇的時候他不會說要持續的鼓勵跟溝通好不好要請他們要持續往南部去思考不要這個\n這幾年我們的稅收狀況不錯經濟狀況不錯部長要不要考慮跟院長爭取一下來讓那個漏水率來做一個有效的改善\n賴瑞隆\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.291 --> 00:07.896\n賴瑞隆委員好謝謝主席主席加油請國務長請經濟部國務長部長\n\n00:16.004 --> 00:39.578\n那個我看一下那一天在這個質詢的時候被國民黨籍的副會計委員指控你說你規避財產申報把股份轉給兒子用兒子當人頭部長有這樣的事嗎我一切都是按照這個法律規定在進行那我並不是轉給他\n\n00:41.650 --> 00:52.735\n我是轉給公司轉給一家投資公司所以我想這個可能是他在這部分沒有了解得很清楚對我來講\n\n00:56.806 --> 01:22.381\n我是一切都依法行事但是對不實的指控我會馬上的提出我想有任何不實指控都要表達強烈的抗議跟澄清讓社會知道因為如果一個成功的企業家那進入到政府機關來服務的話特別是進入到服務的話那如果可以被這樣攻擊跟抹黑的話那未來會更多我們更難找到更多的人願意來為國家服務\n\n01:24.301 --> 01:41.086\n我都堅決的主張不管是從政務官文官都要極力的捍衛要捍衛這樣子才有辦法讓這個整個更多的人才願意在政府部門服務我相信郭董絕對不缺錢郭部長也絕對不缺錢那你也不會你也不是來這邊賺錢的你是來替國家服務的\n\n01:42.987 --> 02:02.269\n那至少這樣的必須要讓社會各界都要清楚謝謝委員讓我在這個地方有機會澄清我確實來服務這個國家我是基於說這個在目前這這麼好的一個經濟情形\n\n02:03.050 --> 02:30.425\n那過去我所學的跟我的經驗有辦法幫助這整個的部門來提升所以我才進來公務那對我來講我其實這個年紀啊我也不會再去求什麼更高的這個權位沒有必要我想我都犧牲我自己的收益了嘛我怎麼會在這個以公謀私呢這樣的一個指證我真的有辦法接受\n\n02:30.725 --> 02:30.825\n賴瑞隆議員\n\n02:51.966 --> 02:55.509\n臺積電2奈米在高雄的這個沒有問題嗎?施作廠沒有問題吧?沒有問題那臺積電現在美國川普上來之後他也還是會積極爭取啦那2奈米會到美國去\n\n03:21.626 --> 03:38.260\n在一定的時間他也會走向這個因為市場有需求我想經營一個企業我們到海外大概兩個基本的要件第一個就是我們看到那個市場有需求第二個看到那個國家有我們需要的資源\n\n03:39.541 --> 04:08.924\n這個是我們發展這個國際企業最重要的兩個關鍵因素那麼台積電到美國要不要兩奈米的這樣的一個製程過去我想要看美國的市場需求第二個台積電不是去那邊做善事的是他那個公司他是100%的子公司基於經營公司我今天在海外經營一個公司一定要能夠賺錢是一定要能夠賺錢所以對他來講沒有把握的製程是不可能往外走\n\n04:09.144 --> 04:17.515\n所以其實到美國這個部分還沒有完全那個但是高雄的這四座是確定的沒問題嘛對不對高雄的現在是蓄勢待發\n\n04:19.375 --> 04:43.933\n跟部長確認不會有變數就好另外我請教一下MVD到這個人工智慧創新研發中心在高雄的計畫有沒有改變沒有一樣繼續進行到持續來進行會投資243億的一個經費那AMD的部分研發中心在高雄雅灣的部分這個也在進行當中嗎現在AMD的部分就我所了解他是跟那個中山大學\n\n04:44.753 --> 04:44.893\n賴瑞隆\n\n05:01.690 --> 05:29.029\n這個智慧這一塊投入相當多的心力我們希望部長全力的來支持讓雅灣有機會南北這一塊的平衡上面能夠做得更好讓雅灣過去從工業的城市有機會轉型成這個AI智慧的一個城市好不好是好謝謝再要請教一下電力的問題其實我們看了一下電力其實政府都做了充分的一些供應那其實我們的策略上大概就是減煤、增氣同時再生能源持續發展同時儲能\n\n05:30.330 --> 05:46.462\n部長是這樣的方向嘛對不對是的所以到2023年我看幾乎所有的這個備轉容量的部分其實都是做一個很好的一個我看甚至有到二十幾的部分這應該都是相當好的一個數字狀況了這邊董事長要說明嗎還是\n\n05:49.991 --> 06:10.514\n不用部長好不好那沒關係不用說明就是我只是請部長還是要持續的推啦齁呃綠電要持續推綠電出現了一些問題是在地方政府出現問題那個一定要查一定要解決那些問題但是不要被汙名化綠電的政策絕對是一個國家正確的政策如果被汙名化了台灣在這路上面走慢了或者是拖隊了\n\n06:11.295 --> 06:37.924\n反而很可惜很多國家是羨慕台灣走得這麼快結果我們被某些因素拖住了特別是惡意用地方因素來抹黑攻擊我希望部長都要強力的澄清好不好這絕對是個正確綠電包括這個淨零碳排這一塊絕對都是未來趨勢一定要走的那我們也努力的做了蒸汽的部分也在做了那甚至於除電我們也在做了所以我都希望未來包括\n\n06:38.624 --> 07:00.294\n部長這邊都能夠持續支持讓我們的電力能更加的穩定讓我們的這個國家經濟民生都能夠持續的發展好不好好的謝謝再來我請教要用電卻不發電其實這是我一直長期質疑的問題北部是最明顯北部幾乎是發用他需要的電量是遠遠不足他的發電量\n\n07:02.673 --> 07:30.722\n他連高雄的部分連第7接收站都在做了高雄有40%電力是中送北送都已經在做第7接收站了而北部的部分這些卻不進行我覺得這一塊部長還是要持續的去要求啦齁如果北部的部分在電力上面始終你連電廠也不蓋你連電電所也不蓋那電要從哪裡來你的產業發展哪裡來你要招商的時候你的電哪裡來所以我覺得這個同時間在未來有更多招商還是要持續的講\n\n07:32.383 --> 07:47.346\n南部有電南部超前部署了很多電我們現在還在幹新的燃氣電廠超前部署這是為國家在部署但是也是為南部在部署我們希望在未來有更多招商機會的時候部長應該鼓勵更多企業往南部思考因為電力是充足的\n\n07:47.546 --> 08:08.175\n是謝謝委員我想這個電力充足的地方將是未來廠商前往的地方這個就是大家平常在講的花若盛開蝴蝶自來所以我想我們高雄南部如果他是充分的電力廠商在選擇的時候他不會說要持續的鼓勵跟溝通好不好要請他們要持續往南部去思考不要這個\n\n08:10.296 --> 08:12.438\n這幾年我們的稅收狀況不錯經濟狀況不錯部長要不要考慮跟院長爭取一下來讓那個漏水率來做一個有效的改善\n\n08:37.816 --> 08:37.976\n賴瑞隆\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.291,"end":7.896,"text":"賴瑞隆委員好 謝謝主席 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