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00:02:59,005\n向廠商提出了告訴,當然中方在後面做了很多小動作,把店剪斷了,派人來照相,派人來擋這個東西,但是這個案子現在還沒有完,我們一定要跟他打到底,這個全世界也都在看,這些經濟體也看,其實他們這樣做,其實對他的國家並沒有好處\n\n10\n00:02:59,933 --> 00:03:16,899\n本席會特別提這個事情出來問的原因是因為本席是肯定代表處用這樣的方式讓台灣被世界看到只是這到底一共有幾面?六面還是七面?媒體講那被破壞的只有一面是不是這樣嗎?有七個T-Bar\n\n11\n00:03:18,419 --> 00:03:35,102\n他是這樣子,他有一個是香燈的廣告,然後還有T-Bar,T-Bar大概有7個,那麼大型的是一個,大型的一面。所以大型的一面就是被斷電的這一面,不是?\n\n12\n00:03:36,263 --> 00:03:56,748\n其中的一面,好,這個過程當中,因為現在只有媒體的報導,所以真相是什麼,其實是很模糊的。我們必須要了解的是說,當代表處做了這樣一個讓台灣被世界看見的這樣一個做法跟作為,其實本席是肯定的,但是這過程當中,就如同政事所說的,被中國惡意、施壓、破壞、\n\n13\n00:03:59,429 --> 00:04:04,396\n除了跟廠商提出告訴之外密魯政府我們也必須發出強烈抗議的聲明因為這明明就是一個商業的行為但是密魯政府如果沒有處理的話那麼就會變成是他公然在\n\n14\n00:04:15,230 --> 00:04:17,171\n所以本席希望這件事情外交部必須要有態度而且要把它處理完之後把整個事件\n\n15\n00:04:43,067 --> 00:04:45,631\n給國防外交委員會．本席一個報告可以嗎?是\n\n16\n00:04:47,180 --> 00:05:15,919\n另外我想在這過程當中除了明目張膽的把台灣的T-Bar或者是電子看板斷電之外中國官方更是造謠前面什麼委員有特別提到我也關注這個問題那就是造謠的內容的媒體的我就不念了但是呢我們來看一下就是中國其實就造謠說這個拜習會當中習近平有講了賴清德三個字\n\n17\n00:05:18,151 --> 00:05:41,666\n因為本席是媒體出來的很多時候如果現在有媒體直接就去抄中國的官媒不經查證當然我個人是覺得非常可惜啦但是他就全文照登照錄那麼遇到這樣的狀況的時候到底如果記者要求證或者像本席要求證因為我們看到是\n\n18\n00:05:45,100 --> 00:06:08,691\n根據了解習近平他在拜習會上是沒有提到賴清德三個字但是如果今天作為本席要來問政需求的時候這樣一個被中國官媒亂帶風向以至於台灣的媒體成為在地協力者或者是就直接不查證全文照登的時候那要查證\n\n19\n00:06:09,431 --> 00:06:27,044\n到底要問外交部還是問經濟部誰可以對這種在APEC發生的錯假訊息來做一個查證的窗口因為我們知道如果APEC的組織架構底下他會有經濟領袖會議嘛會有部長級會議那其實他有是跨經貿\n\n20\n00:06:29,045 --> 00:06:54,902\n那所以如果同樣的事件我們時光倒流本席看到了中國官媒特別寫了這個東西出來而且又有台灣的媒體全文照燈不經查證的時候那該怎麼辦本席現在拿出來的這個是自由時報但是他不是全文照燈他只是說據了解那到底這個了解的過程中未來還是像APEC發生這樣的事情的時候那麼應該是經濟部還是外交部\n\n21\n00:06:59,905 --> 00:07:17,694\n跟委員報告,我覺得這個從兩個方面來看,媒體自己現在要善用他的聯繫的方式,而且他的聲譽他要注的,他不能亂引用別的媒體來做這個,對他的聲譽其實是不好的。\n\n22\n00:07:18,314 --> 00:07:38,030\n那這個問題其實國安單位已經做出了一個澄清那國安單位大概澄清已經經過他詳細的查證三方的查證都沒有這個訊息顯然是他用他的假訊息那種資訊戰又來做這種事情所以我覺得是很清楚的\n\n23\n00:07:38,686 --> 00:08:02,055\n所以會看得到就是現在的國際場合當中中國他除了是大剌剌的小動作的穿小鞋變成小動作變成大動作之外媒體的訊息戰同樣的他也在進行當中而我們知道秘魯今年他們就搞了一個拜習會沒有講賴清德但是他就利用官媒來做處理然後來做一個認知上面的統戰\n\n24\n00:08:03,456 --> 00:08:15,923\n接下來下一場會議的時候外交部或經濟部有沒有針對這樣的因應的措施來做一個跨部會的討論呢?因為這個APEC外交部跟經濟部其實是一起主責嗎?還是政策?\n\n25\n00:08:29,270 --> 00:08:44,225\n報委員,我們有一個分工,像領袖會議是外交部來主責,這個年度的貿易部長會議是由外交部跟經貿辦,那麼其他的部長會看他的分工,比如說能源部長會議就經濟部主責,\n\n26\n00:08:46,127 --> 00:09:01,812\n交通部長會議交通部主責,婦女部長會議每年行政會會挑選適合的部長來代表,大概是依照業務性質來分工,但是這個在外交作為上,我們經濟部都密切配合外交部,一向在出發前大家都有一個跨部會的協商。\n\n27\n00:09:03,227 --> 00:09:29,245\n所以說言下之意像這種有錯假訊息的時候你們第一時間有回報嗎那處理的SOP是什麼因為現在事後我們看到了就是大家都在都知道原來這是一個中國的認知作戰的套路其實在台灣被看到他就是一個手段跟方式那麼當這樣其他媒體以這種認知作戰的方式\n\n28\n00:09:30,186 --> 00:09:49,751\n直接全文照錄中國官媒而中國的官媒當然是一個錯誤的訊息被台灣的媒體所引用的時候發現事情到現在那麼後來我們有自由時報有根據國安單位的說法提到了那這整個處理的流程的SOP是什麼\n\n29\n00:09:54,805 --> 00:10:13,677\n因為像中國的官媒發出來以後我們馬上去了解他這個媒體所講的是對的還是錯的我們非常非常懷疑他講的東西都經過他的一些加料比如說我給你舉個例他又談到新加坡的事情\n\n30\n00:10:14,557 --> 00:10:37,571\n新加坡他又用這個新加坡同意一個中國的原則新加坡講的不是這樣子所以我剛剛講過他是偷梁換柱移花解謀做了很多當然我們各部會也要特別特別警惕我覺得我們跨部會要來成立一個如何來對應假訊息這個案子我覺得我們應該有這個\n\n31\n00:10:40,532 --> 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是外交部\n跟委員報告,我覺得這個從兩個方面來看,媒體自己現在要善用他的聯繫的方式,而且他的聲譽他要注的,他不能亂引用別的媒體來做這個,對他的聲譽其實是不好的。\n那這個問題其實國安單位已經做出了一個澄清那國安單位大概澄清已經經過他詳細的查證三方的查證都沒有這個訊息顯然是他用他的假訊息那種資訊戰又來做這種事情所以我覺得是很清楚的\n所以會看得到就是現在的國際場合當中中國他除了是大剌剌的小動作的穿小鞋變成小動作變成大動作之外媒體的訊息戰同樣的他也在進行當中而我們知道秘魯今年他們就搞了一個拜習會沒有講賴清德但是他就利用官媒來做處理然後來做一個認知上面的統戰\n接下來下一場會議的時候外交部或經濟部有沒有針對這樣的因應的措施來做一個跨部會的討論呢?因為這個APEC外交部跟經濟部其實是一起主責嗎?還是政策?\n報委員,我們有一個分工,像領袖會議是外交部來主責,這個年度的貿易部長會議是由外交部跟經貿辦,那麼其他的部長會看他的分工,比如說能源部長會議就經濟部主責,\n交通部長會議交通部主責,婦女部長會議每年行政會會挑選適合的部長來代表,大概是依照業務性質來分工,但是這個在外交作為上,我們經濟部都密切配合外交部,一向在出發前大家都有一個跨部會的協商。\n所以說言下之意像這種有錯假訊息的時候你們第一時間有回報嗎那處理的SOP是什麼因為現在事後我們看到了就是大家都在都知道原來這是一個中國的認知作戰的套路其實在台灣被看到他就是一個手段跟方式那麼當這樣其他媒體以這種認知作戰的方式\n直接全文照錄中國官媒而中國的官媒當然是一個錯誤的訊息被台灣的媒體所引用的時候發現事情到現在那麼後來我們有自由時報有根據國安單位的說法提到了那這整個處理的流程的SOP是什麼\n因為像中國的官媒發出來以後我們馬上去了解他這個媒體所講的是對的還是錯的我們非常非常懷疑他講的東西都經過他的一些加料比如說我給你舉個例他又談到新加坡的事情\n新加坡他又用這個新加坡同意一個中國的原則新加坡講的不是這樣子所以我剛剛講過他是偷梁換柱移花解謀做了很多當然我們各部會也要特別特別警惕我覺得我們跨部會要來成立一個如何來對應假訊息這個案子我覺得我們應該有這個\n本席的提醒就是說其實現在這種案例已經非常多了包括之前我們的公股行庫到中國去被邀請參加活動然後呢在沒有經過同意底下照片被使用然後還說我們的公股行庫就跟對岸成立了所謂銀行之間簽訂了銀行之間的MOU那麼同樣這也是被\n吃豆腐但是這種豆腐一旦被吃就很難被抹掉所以說本席是要提醒的是這樣的事件在我們參加更多的國際會議當中會不斷的同樣的模式會出現那麼它會動搖民心又或者是讓我們的執政變得更加的就是被穿小鞋又或者是被吃豆腐這樣的狀況你們需要擬定一套像這樣的錯假訊息那麼透過中國官媒之後\n好﹗好,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.149 --> 00:07.838\n主席有請我們田政次還有我們經濟部今天是陳政次嗎?好委員長\n\n00:16.359 --> 00:27.891\n兩位早安我先請教一下田政次我們知道其實APEC這一次可以說還是因為中國的打壓跟施加奧步那麼希望在這中間當中能夠給台灣穿小鞋\n\n00:30.914 --> 00:55.027\n那麼但是其實蠻可惜的是APEC它本身其實是一個就是讓亞洲地區的國家可以一起平起平坐來討論經貿發展的一個地方喔那我們當然知道其實台灣身為現在全球矚目的AI潛力國然後再加上我們的彈寶體晶片所以外交部其實是在密魯的代表處設置了這個台灣的電子看板那麼\n\n00:56.297 --> 01:00.287\n我們在媒體當中他特別寫到的是我看了中央社\n\n01:01.865 --> 01:25.996\n時間是台灣的11月16號報導當地媒體自稱中方人是為了不讓中國國家主席習近平的車隊下車抵達立馬途中看到台灣的看板所以就擅自將電子廣告斷電40分鐘另外有17名中國公民意圖強行拆除建築物上方的廣告看板\n\n01:26.596 --> 01:45.206\n中央社的這樣的一個報導是不是屬實?也就是說我們外交部秘魯代表處所設置的這樣的看板因為為了讓習近平不要看到台灣這一個字眼太礙眼所以就公然的被斷電了嗎?\n\n01:50.915 --> 02:16.892\n中國在各處都會想辦法給我們穿小鞋這一次的事件發生以後我們第一時間第一個時間就跟秘魯的政府先提出來然後跟廠商也提出來然後因為中國用很多澳布把那個想擋住讓習近平看不到這個我們都已經有想到過了所以我們透過幾種方式讓他們\n\n02:19.154 --> 02:36.391\n政治方式呢米魯跟中國的關係是相當的好但是他也不能用這種方式來對待我們我們是APEC的正常21個會員體之一所以呢我們就提出了告訴\n\n02:37.532 --> 02:59.005\n向廠商提出了告訴,當然中方在後面做了很多小動作,把店剪斷了,派人來照相,派人來擋這個東西,但是這個案子現在還沒有完,我們一定要跟他打到底,這個全世界也都在看,這些經濟體也看,其實他們這樣做,其實對他的國家並沒有好處\n\n02:59.933 --> 03:16.899\n本席會特別提這個事情出來問的原因是因為本席是肯定代表處用這樣的方式讓台灣被世界看到只是這到底一共有幾面?六面還是七面?媒體講那被破壞的只有一面是不是這樣嗎?有七個T-Bar\n\n03:18.419 --> 03:35.102\n他是這樣子,他有一個是香燈的廣告,然後還有T-Bar,T-Bar大概有7個,那麼大型的是一個,大型的一面。所以大型的一面就是被斷電的這一面,不是?\n\n03:36.263 --> 03:56.748\n其中的一面,好,這個過程當中,因為現在只有媒體的報導,所以真相是什麼,其實是很模糊的。我們必須要了解的是說,當代表處做了這樣一個讓台灣被世界看見的這樣一個做法跟作為,其實本席是肯定的,但是這過程當中,就如同政事所說的,被中國惡意、施壓、破壞、\n\n03:59.429 --> 04:04.396\n除了跟廠商提出告訴之外密魯政府我們也必須發出強烈抗議的聲明因為這明明就是一個商業的行為但是密魯政府如果沒有處理的話那麼就會變成是他公然在\n\n04:15.230 --> 04:17.171\n所以本席希望這件事情外交部必須要有態度而且要把它處理完之後把整個事件\n\n04:43.067 --> 04:45.631\n給國防外交委員會．本席一個報告可以嗎?是\n\n04:47.180 --> 05:15.919\n另外我想在這過程當中除了明目張膽的把台灣的T-Bar或者是電子看板斷電之外中國官方更是造謠前面什麼委員有特別提到我也關注這個問題那就是造謠的內容的媒體的我就不念了但是呢我們來看一下就是中國其實就造謠說這個拜習會當中習近平有講了賴清德三個字\n\n05:18.151 --> 05:41.666\n因為本席是媒體出來的很多時候如果現在有媒體直接就去抄中國的官媒不經查證當然我個人是覺得非常可惜啦但是他就全文照登照錄那麼遇到這樣的狀況的時候到底如果記者要求證或者像本席要求證因為我們看到是\n\n05:45.100 --> 06:08.691\n根據了解習近平他在拜習會上是沒有提到賴清德三個字但是如果今天作為本席要來問政需求的時候這樣一個被中國官媒亂帶風向以至於台灣的媒體成為在地協力者或者是就直接不查證全文照登的時候那要查證\n\n06:09.431 --> 06:27.044\n到底要問外交部還是問經濟部誰可以對這種在APEC發生的錯假訊息來做一個查證的窗口因為我們知道如果APEC的組織架構底下他會有經濟領袖會議嘛會有部長級會議那其實他有是跨經貿\n\n06:29.045 --> 06:54.902\n那所以如果同樣的事件我們時光倒流本席看到了中國官媒特別寫了這個東西出來而且又有台灣的媒體全文照燈不經查證的時候那該怎麼辦本席現在拿出來的這個是自由時報但是他不是全文照燈他只是說據了解那到底這個了解的過程中未來還是像APEC發生這樣的事情的時候那麼應該是經濟部還是外交部\n\n06:59.905 --> 07:17.694\n跟委員報告,我覺得這個從兩個方面來看,媒體自己現在要善用他的聯繫的方式,而且他的聲譽他要注的,他不能亂引用別的媒體來做這個,對他的聲譽其實是不好的。\n\n07:18.314 --> 07:38.030\n那這個問題其實國安單位已經做出了一個澄清那國安單位大概澄清已經經過他詳細的查證三方的查證都沒有這個訊息顯然是他用他的假訊息那種資訊戰又來做這種事情所以我覺得是很清楚的\n\n07:38.686 --> 08:02.055\n所以會看得到就是現在的國際場合當中中國他除了是大剌剌的小動作的穿小鞋變成小動作變成大動作之外媒體的訊息戰同樣的他也在進行當中而我們知道秘魯今年他們就搞了一個拜習會沒有講賴清德但是他就利用官媒來做處理然後來做一個認知上面的統戰\n\n08:03.456 --> 08:15.923\n接下來下一場會議的時候外交部或經濟部有沒有針對這樣的因應的措施來做一個跨部會的討論呢?因為這個APEC外交部跟經濟部其實是一起主責嗎?還是政策?\n\n08:29.270 --> 08:44.225\n報委員,我們有一個分工,像領袖會議是外交部來主責,這個年度的貿易部長會議是由外交部跟經貿辦,那麼其他的部長會看他的分工,比如說能源部長會議就經濟部主責,\n\n08:46.127 --> 09:01.812\n交通部長會議交通部主責,婦女部長會議每年行政會會挑選適合的部長來代表,大概是依照業務性質來分工,但是這個在外交作為上,我們經濟部都密切配合外交部,一向在出發前大家都有一個跨部會的協商。\n\n09:03.227 --> 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，是因為本席肯定代表處用這樣的方式讓臺灣被世界看到，只是這到底一共有幾面？六面還是七面？媒體講……那被破壞的只有一面，是這樣嗎？"],["田次長中光：它是這樣子，它有一個是箱燈的廣告，還有T霸大概有七個，大型的是一面……"],["林委員楚茵：所以大型的一面就是被斷電的這一面……"],["田次長中光：不是……"],["林委員楚茵：其中的一面？好，這個過程當中，因為現在只有媒體的報導，所以真相是什麼其實是很模糊的，我們必須要了解的是，當代表處做了讓臺灣被世界看見的這樣一個作法跟作為，其實本席是肯定的。但是這過程當中，就如同政次所說的，被中國惡意施壓、破壞，除了跟廠商提出告訴之外，我們也必須要向秘魯政府發出強烈抗議的聲明，因為這明明就是一個商業的行為，但是秘魯政府如果沒有處理的話，那麼就會變成是它公然在中國的施壓底下，來刻意矮化臺灣，而且讓這樣的一個商業行為受到阻止，對於APEC這樣的一個場域，就是要讓整個亞洲地區的國家一起可以平等的來談經貿問題的時候，這就是一個最壞的示範。"],["田次長中光：沒錯。"],["林委員楚茵：所以本席希望這件事情外交部必須要有態度，而且把它處理完之後，針對整個事件給外交及國防委員會及本席一個報告，可以嗎？"],["田次長中光：是。"],["林委員楚茵：好。另外，我想在這過程當中，除了明目張膽的把臺灣的T霸或者是電子看板斷電之外，中國官方更是造謠，前面沈伯洋委員有特別提到，我也關注這個問題，媒體造謠的內容我就不唸了，但是我們來看一下，中國其實就造謠說在拜習會當中，習近平有講了賴清德三個字，因為本席是媒體出來的，如果現在有媒體直接就去抄中國的官媒，不經查證，當然我個人是覺得非常可惜啦！但是它就全文照登、照錄。那麼遇到這樣的狀況的時候，如果記者要求證或者向本席要求證，因為我們看到的是根據了解習近平他在拜習會上是沒有提到賴清德三個字，但是如果今天作為本席要來問政需求的時候，這樣一個被中國官媒亂帶風向，以至於臺灣的媒體成為在地協力者，或者是就直接不查證全文照登的時候，那要查證的話，到底要問外交部還是問經濟部？誰可以對這種在APEC發生的錯假訊息來做一個查證的窗口？","因為我們知道APEC的組織架構底下，它會有經濟領袖會議、會有部長級會議，其實它是跨經貿，所以如果同樣的事件我們時光倒流，本席看到了中國官媒特別寫了這個東西出來，而且又有臺灣的媒體全文照登、不經查證的時候，那該怎麼辦？本席現在拿出來的這個是自由時報，但是它不是全文照登，它只是說「據了解」，到底這個了解的過程中，未來還是發生像APEC這樣的事情的時候，應該是經濟部還是外交部？"],["田次長中光：跟委員報告，我覺得這個從兩個方面來看，媒體先要善用它的聯繫方式，而且要注意它的聲譽，不能亂引用別的媒體，對它的聲譽其實是不好的，這個問題其實國安單位已經做出了一個澄清，國安單位大概澄清經過他們詳細的查證，三方的查證，都沒有這個訊息，顯然它是用它的假訊息、資訊戰，又來做這種事情，所以我覺得是很清楚的。"],["林委員楚茵：所以會看得到現在的國際場合當中，中國除了是大剌剌地給我們穿小鞋，小動作變成大動作之外，媒體的訊息戰同樣的也在進行當中。我們知道秘魯今年他們就搞了一個拜習會，沒有講賴清德，但是它就利用官媒來做處理，然後來做一個認知上面的統戰。接下來下一場會議的時候，外交部或經濟部有沒有針對這樣有因應的措施，來做一個跨部會的討論呢？因為APEC外交部跟經濟部其實是一起主責嗎？還是如何？政次。"],["陳次長正祺：報告委員，我們有一個分工，像領袖會議是由外交部來主責，年度的貿易部長會議是由外交部跟經貿辦，其他的部長會議是看它的分工，比方說能源部長會議就由經濟部主責，交通部長會議由交通部主責，婦女部長會議每年行政院會挑選適合的部長來代表，大概是依照業務性質來分工。但是在外交作為上，我們經濟部都密切配合外交部，一向在出發前，大家都有一個跨部會的協商。"],["林委員楚茵：好，言下之意，像這種有錯假訊息的時候，你們第一時間有回報嗎？處理的SOP是什麼？因為事後，我們看到了，而且大家都知道，原來這是一個中國認知作戰的套路，在臺灣其實看到它就是一個手段跟方式。當其他媒體以這種認知作戰的方式，直接全文照錄中國官媒，而中國的官媒當然是一個錯誤的訊息，被臺灣的媒體所引用的時候……事情發生到現在，後來我們自由時報有根據國安單位的說法提到了，而這整個處理流程的SOP是什麼？"],["田次長中光：因為中國的官媒發出來以後，我們馬上去瞭解這個媒體所講的是對的還是錯的，我們非常非常懷疑它講的東西都經過一些加料，比如說我跟你舉個例，它又談到新加坡的事情，它又用新加坡同意一個中國的原則，新加坡講的不是這樣子，所以我剛剛講過，他是偷梁換柱，移花接木做了很多。當然，我們各部會也要特別特別警惕，跨部會要來成立一個如何來對應假訊息機制，我覺得我們應該有這個責任來處理。"],["林委員楚茵：本席的提醒就是，其實現在這種案例已經非常多了，包括之前我們的公股行庫被邀請到中國參加活動，然後在沒有經過同意底下照片被使用，還說我們的公股行庫就跟對岸銀行之間簽訂了MOU。同樣的，這也是被吃豆腐，但是這種豆腐一旦被吃，就很難被抹掉。所以本席要提醒的是，這樣的事件，在我們參加更多的國際會議當中，不斷地、同樣的模式會出現，它會動搖民心，又或者是讓我們的執政變得更加……被穿小鞋，又或者被吃豆腐這樣的狀況，你們需要擬定一套像這樣的錯假訊息的應處，這些透過中國官媒之後，他們的大外宣變成是我們內部的錯假訊息，希望你們能夠提出因應的SOP，好嗎？因為就像APEC一樣，當我要求證這個訊息到底是真還是假的時候，會不知道主責的到底是外交部還是經濟部，這個時候你們必須要有一套處理的SOP出來，好嗎？"],["田次長中光：好。"],["林委員楚茵：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝林楚茵委員，次長請回。","接下來我們請陳冠廷委員上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":322,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-35-15","speakers":["林憶君","沈伯洋","羅美玲","黃仁","徐巧芯","林楚茵","陳冠廷","陳永康","馬文君","王鴻薇","賴士葆","洪孟楷","楊瓊瓔","葉元之","王定宇","洪申翰","邱志偉"],"page_start":273,"meetingDate":["2024-11-20"],"gazette_id":"11310101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310101_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長、國家發展委員會、經濟部報告「美國總統大選後，對於推動台美貿易及科技建\n立合作架構之影響」，並備質詢","agenda_id":"11310101_00006"}}}