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00:02:45,905\n委員指教的是哪一個計畫就是交通部觀光署2021到2025這個觀光全餐計畫裡面但是審計部報告只出來啊審計部報告裡面當然對有些它有些譬如說日月潭的部分有些有困難也跟說明了你事後提個書片計畫給本席好不好是那給陳記長好謝謝謝謝委員\n\n8\n00:02:49,048 --> 00:03:08,169\n來媒體報導今年地震跟颱風重創花蓮的觀光那交通部振興花蓮自由行補助方案也推動到這個3.0版本那總計有8.15億元就是8億多的預算在年底以前要用完\n\n9\n00:03:09,370 --> 00:03:21,725\n目前只有執行差不多六成而已我請問主席長針對花蓮自由行補助方案的預算執行你認為問題出在哪裡\n\n10\n00:03:23,164 --> 00:03:49,925\n因為這個部分主要是動資第二預備金那這個部分我們也是一直督促說希望在動資二預備金的部分能夠在年底的能夠盡量把它執行但是目前花蓮最大的問題就是林外的交通沒有辦法引導整個旅客的前往那為了讓預算能夠發揮實質的效益請問交通問題短期內可以解決嗎?因為你要去有困難啊\n\n11\n00:03:51,719 --> 00:04:07,399\n交通問題這個部分還是要看交通部它整個一個規劃的一個情形來辦那這個部分我們是不是交通部能夠代表來做說明?不能說只有一雙框在那裡那你們目前執行只有六成而已現在已經11月下旬了\n\n12\n00:04:08,300 --> 00:04:11,823\n因為花蓮年外交通如果還是最大的問題按照花蓮今年已經有21家旅館業停業那有10家暫時退場或轉租有將近四分之一的業者的變動那明年補助又停止的話\n\n13\n00:04:37,142 --> 00:05:01,516\n那請問面對明年花蓮觀光可能出現倒閉潮甚至於是四月潮那你認為有哪些辦法可以來避免出現這些骨牌的效應再跟我也報告一下因為這個涉及到預算執行的一個內容和它的細節是不是還是請交通部的業務單位來做報告比較詳細這個部分因為我認為說像這些部分存在的問題你政府\n\n14\n00:05:28,004 --> 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對不對\n367072\t385497\t這個部分就是因為交通部他有答覆說這個部分是屬於鄉公所的一些設施啦那這個部分他們會這樣對啦我是認為這都要去重視啦因為振興花蓮有部分實質上的難度但如果是提升我國這項這個高教總體競爭力請問主計長你認為現階段有沒有推動高教前瞻計畫的必要性\n392284\t393886\t因為上個禮拜臺大校長陳文章在立法院教文委員會呼籲政府要\n409603\t424915\t提升大學的經費並推動高校前瞻基礎計畫也有學者指出大學是培養人才的基地需要一些更多資金去預助經費始終不足只能越來越向下沉淪\n426056\t444290\t本席也認為說從外國調查機構對亞洲大學排名的變化政府應該要正視學者對高校資源缺乏的問題的嚴重性那主席長政府到底有沒有提升分配高校經費增加人才以及培育的決心有沒有\n444983\t472980\t那是一定有的但是現在今年因為今年前瞻只剩下703億那這個部分那是當初是由國化會他整個去做一個整個計畫的一個分配因為有各項的一個計畫都提出需求那事實上還有很多有包括軌道的部分有將近4000多億一直還沒有編列預算沒有編到裡面所以這個部分也是我們將來要努力來來做一個編列的一個方向我是希望說要重視這些問題\n474261\t474821\t委員會主席\n","txt":"主席主席主席\n市長因為交通部觀光署2021至2025年自資65億8500萬辦理觀光前瞻建設計畫但是審計部在決算報告的時候卻指出觀光署先期規劃作業未盡確實也未落實審查的作業導致整個補助計畫\n審查通過後因工程用地無法取得或規劃設計沒有嚴謹、不力達成原定的效益。竹記長,對於審計部針對觀光前瞻計畫決算報告的說法,竹記長有沒有掌握整個預算執行的狀況?有沒有?\n委員好因為我們在整個執行率來講其實是都超過95%那麼原來的計畫也跟審計部相關單位做一個說明跟報告因為有些確實在用地上在這個地方政府相關的權責裡面\n委員也很清楚就是說有些景區的景點的改善有些是老問題所以它涉及到一些用地、協調、相關單位那你們開始的時候應該要先去溝通協調結果你們現在那你們總是沒有辦法執行那也不必究責那後續你們要如何去善後呢這些都有評估過所以這些我們還是持續克服但預算執行的部分還是都能夠達成\n委員會主席\n委員指教的是哪一個計畫就是交通部觀光署2021到2025這個觀光全餐計畫裡面但是審計部報告只出來啊審計部報告裡面當然對有些它有些譬如說日月潭的部分有些有困難也跟說明了你事後提個書片計畫給本席好不好是那給陳記長好謝謝謝謝委員\n來媒體報導今年地震跟颱風重創花蓮的觀光那交通部振興花蓮自由行補助方案也推動到這個3.0版本那總計有8.15億元就是8億多的預算在年底以前要用完\n目前只有執行差不多六成而已我請問主席長針對花蓮自由行補助方案的預算執行你認為問題出在哪裡\n因為這個部分主要是動資第二預備金那這個部分我們也是一直督促說希望在動資二預備金的部分能夠在年底的能夠盡量把它執行但是目前花蓮最大的問題就是林外的交通沒有辦法引導整個旅客的前往那為了讓預算能夠發揮實質的效益請問交通問題短期內可以解決嗎?因為你要去有困難啊\n交通問題這個部分還是要看交通部它整個一個規劃的一個情形來辦那這個部分我們是不是交通部能夠代表來做說明?不能說只有一雙框在那裡那你們目前執行只有六成而已現在已經11月下旬了\n因為花蓮年外交通如果還是最大的問題按照花蓮今年已經有21家旅館業停業那有10家暫時退場或轉租有將近四分之一的業者的變動那明年補助又停止的話\n那請問面對明年花蓮觀光可能出現倒閉潮甚至於是四月潮那你認為有哪些辦法可以來避免出現這些骨牌的效應再跟我也報告一下因為這個涉及到預算執行的一個內容和它的細節是不是還是請交通部的業務單位來做報告比較詳細這個部分因為我認為說像這些部分存在的問題你政府\n響鐘\n出國的人去觀光旅遊比在國內的多一倍這笑死人了你說觀光我一直認為說其實觀光局、觀光署你們過去這段時間你們就是沒有把原來這些觀光的點把它做好你看包括嘉義阿里山那裡你們沒有查清楚結果你看這一次在那裡旅遊的人摔下去一個人死掉\n那 很多都沒有去改善 也沒有去重視 對不對\n這個部分就是因為交通部他有答覆說這個部分是屬於鄉公所的一些設施啦那這個部分他們會這樣對啦我是認為這都要去重視啦因為振興花蓮有部分實質上的難度但如果是提升我國這項這個高教總體競爭力請問主計長你認為現階段有沒有推動高教前瞻計畫的必要性\n因為上個禮拜臺大校長陳文章在立法院教文委員會呼籲政府要\n提升大學的經費並推動高校前瞻基礎計畫也有學者指出大學是培養人才的基地需要一些更多資金去預助經費始終不足只能越來越向下沉淪\n本席也認為說從外國調查機構對亞洲大學排名的變化政府應該要正視學者對高校資源缺乏的問題的嚴重性那主席長政府到底有沒有提升分配高校經費增加人才以及培育的決心有沒有\n那是一定有的但是現在今年因為今年前瞻只剩下703億那這個部分那是當初是由國化會他整個去做一個整個計畫的一個分配因為有各項的一個計畫都提出需求那事實上還有很多有包括軌道的部分有將近4000多億一直還沒有編列預算沒有編到裡面所以這個部分也是我們將來要努力來來做一個編列的一個方向我是希望說要重視這些問題\n委員會主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.185 --> 00:08.126\n主席主席主席\n\n00:19.534 --> 00:27.480\n市長因為交通部觀光署2021至2025年自資65億8500萬辦理觀光前瞻建設計畫但是審計部在決算報告的時候卻指出觀光署先期規劃作業未盡確實也未落實審查的作業導致整個補助計畫\n\n00:45.374 --> 00:55.057\n審查通過後因工程用地無法取得或規劃設計沒有嚴謹、不力達成原定的效益。竹記長,對於審計部針對觀光前瞻計畫決算報告的說法,竹記長有沒有掌握整個預算執行的狀況?有沒有?\n\n01:11.345 --> 01:19.346\n委員好因為我們在整個執行率來講其實是都超過95%那麼原來的計畫也跟審計部相關單位做一個說明跟報告因為有些確實在用地上在這個地方政府相關的權責裡面\n\n01:40.950 --> 02:08.364\n委員也很清楚就是說有些景區的景點的改善有些是老問題所以它涉及到一些用地、協調、相關單位那你們開始的時候應該要先去溝通協調結果你們現在那你們總是沒有辦法執行那也不必究責那後續你們要如何去善後呢這些都有評估過所以這些我們還是持續克服但預算執行的部分還是都能夠達成\n\n02:09.781 --> 02:10.502\n委員會主席\n\n02:23.204 --> 02:45.905\n委員指教的是哪一個計畫就是交通部觀光署2021到2025這個觀光全餐計畫裡面但是審計部報告只出來啊審計部報告裡面當然對有些它有些譬如說日月潭的部分有些有困難也跟說明了你事後提個書片計畫給本席好不好是那給陳記長好謝謝謝謝委員\n\n02:49.048 --> 03:08.169\n來媒體報導今年地震跟颱風重創花蓮的觀光那交通部振興花蓮自由行補助方案也推動到這個3.0版本那總計有8.15億元就是8億多的預算在年底以前要用完\n\n03:09.370 --> 03:21.725\n目前只有執行差不多六成而已我請問主席長針對花蓮自由行補助方案的預算執行你認為問題出在哪裡\n\n03:23.164 --> 03:49.925\n因為這個部分主要是動資第二預備金那這個部分我們也是一直督促說希望在動資二預備金的部分能夠在年底的能夠盡量把它執行但是目前花蓮最大的問題就是林外的交通沒有辦法引導整個旅客的前往那為了讓預算能夠發揮實質的效益請問交通問題短期內可以解決嗎?因為你要去有困難啊\n\n03:51.719 --> 04:07.399\n交通問題這個部分還是要看交通部它整個一個規劃的一個情形來辦那這個部分我們是不是交通部能夠代表來做說明?不能說只有一雙框在那裡那你們目前執行只有六成而已現在已經11月下旬了\n\n04:08.300 --> 04:11.823\n因為花蓮年外交通如果還是最大的問題按照花蓮今年已經有21家旅館業停業那有10家暫時退場或轉租有將近四分之一的業者的變動那明年補助又停止的話\n\n04:37.142 --> 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