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00:00:02,771\n國務卿委員質詢,那國務卿委員質詢完後我們休息10分鐘。謝謝主席,有請核安會張主委備詢。好,張代主委請。\n\n2\n00:00:25,647 --> 00:00:51,568\n會員好是剛剛都已經有詢問過您未來的動向了我就不多問了也希望我們一起來努力做核能安全的守護那我想世界各國都在持續的演進各國為了達成淨零碳排或者低碳的能源的目標還有當然還有發展我們的科技跟AI都將核電廠重啟或研議來作為這個策略\n\n3\n00:00:52,830 --> 00:01:08,257\n已經列出來我相信你們應該都看過應該要看到爛了啦美國、日本、韓國、英國、法國甚至連三里島核電廠2028都要重啟主委您怎麼看待現在全球吹起的強烈反核潮反回核電潮\n\n4\n00:01:13,108 --> 00:01:37,553\n我想基本上國際每個國家都會針對自己的能源需求來做規劃我國也是針對我們自己的能源需求我們自己的能源需求就是需要有穩定的能源其實和台灣鄰近國情相似的韓國跟日本都在改變尤其我們現在又說台灣是科技世界的中心我們現在內閣又說是AI內閣結果全世界的AI公司科技大廠都在開始擁抱核電\n\n5\n00:01:38,433 --> 00:01:42,196\n亞馬遜公佈要採用核電的計劃已經在採購Google也宣布直接要建造7座核反應爐微軟是直接預購了甚至呢這個2028要重啟的山梨島核電廠他直接已經要付錢了結果呢我就想請教\n\n6\n00:01:56,909 --> 00:02:11,637\n主委這個怎麼看待這個科技、國際都在返回核電賴政府卻視而不見您說台灣要以我們自己的情況來判斷是怎麼樣核能一到了台灣就不能作為選項嗎?核能不是一個安全的選擇嗎?\n\n7\n00:02:13,888 --> 00:02:15,889\n所以你們不用管有沒有核能啦?是不是這樣?\n\n8\n00:02:31,172 --> 00:02:32,454\n核能使不使用不是我們的權責。\n\n9\n00:02:47,515 --> 00:03:06,078\n對於我們的這個業務的部分我們已經從運轉的管制逐漸隨著基礎的狀況轉到廚藝的相關管制而且核安會的事實上我們的業務核電廠的管制是其中的一部分我們還有其他所有的其他輻射防護啊這些的管制那核電廠的研議你們會不會提出研究建議\n\n10\n00:03:07,404 --> 00:03:32,863\n會不會提供評估?到時候要評估到底能不能研議?是不是你們也會有專員在處理?對吧?這是你們處理的吧?這個是不是使用這個可行性的部分,不是屬於我們的權責那如果到時候真的要做研議評估?如果政府有需要我們提出技術意見的時候,我們會配合執行那現在是不是只差在修法?我們現在的研議的部分研議的部分,現在是不是只差在修法?\n\n11\n00:03:34,611 --> 00:03:52,191\n目前這個有多位立委有提出修法建議我們尊重委員的提案權那現在既沒有修法我們要往這個這個停止核電的情況要非核家園然後我們又要編這些預算那核安會明年度的預算跟工作目標有沒有要調整啊\n\n12\n00:03:52,947 --> 00:04:19,254\n我們並沒有編列修法的預算我們編列的是我們廚藝相關的管制預算還有這個核三廠二號均運轉中安全的管制的運轉那現在你廚藝許可也還沒發下來啊你編那麼多預算幹嘛核三的廚藝許可是因為我們也要等到環境部的那邊審查結束之後我們要一併考慮才會核發廚藝許可那我們的廚藝計畫的部分我們已經執行完成我們的作業我想不管怎麼樣啦也希望同仁要提早受訓學習相關廚藝的知識啦\n\n13\n00:04:20,954 --> 00:04:40,404\n這個許可還有未來的這些建設都應該要儘早做好準備那我再來還要請教一下主委這個卓魁這個否認核電是緊急能源的選項但是我們賴新澤總統去台灣大學演講的時候台灣大學的時候演講說面對學生的提問\n\n14\n00:04:44,046 --> 00:05:12,845\n賴清德當時的回應是相關單位正研議如何將核電作為暫時備用能源喔這個是我們賴清德總統所說的請教主委賴清德總統將核電作為暫時備用能源的說法安不安全可行性高不高我想就誠如剛才立委所說其實這是一個有要如何去研究那我相信經濟部、台電公司他們有做相關的庇護所以目前才會有這個希望有三個前提之下再來討論\n\n15\n00:05:14,929 --> 00:05:17,259\n全世界沒有一個核電廠\n\n16\n00:05:18,829 --> 00:05:47,464\n是在戰爭中要去運作的這根本就是反過來的一個策略我們平常應該是反而應該讓核電來幫我們穩定的發電不要用廢發電用愛發電結果我們的總統竟然發表的是一個違反全世界核能安全的評論您覺得暫時使用核電來作為備用能源安全嗎這核安會可以說話了吧不要再踢給台電了吧不要再踢給總統了吧這顆球你要接下來了吧\n\n17\n00:05:49,793 --> 00:06:10,271\n我想基本上這個如果在針對運轉中的核能電廠的話國際上有一個共識就是不主動攻擊核能電廠這在烏鴉戰爭的時候其實有這樣子的一個情形大家都可以這個注意到我們平常都不相信敵人啊我們要料敵從寬啊民進黨也說要抗中保台啊怎麼我們現在就相信敵人了呢\n\n18\n00:06:12,154 --> 00:06:26,249\n我只是舉烏鴉戰爭的一個經驗我想我們還是要理性看待好不好不要隨著你的思緒隨著你自己的意識形態轉彎尤其我們核安會應該是要以科學為依據的\n\n19\n00:06:27,330 --> 00:06:44,527\n那我想這個賴清德總統自己現在也鬆動了說不排除新核能也要開發多元的能源那想請教核安會現在SMR小型核反應的這個廠研發的這個資源是不是有增加\n\n20\n00:06:45,706 --> 00:07:11,508\n目前我們在國園院是有編列這個預算從100萬增加到1543萬那我們再來看還有什麼呢為什麼你們自己願意增加全世界都在做SMR所以這個我們再來看都太多資料了我想你們全部都有了那我們再來看核融合我們現在核融合有國家實驗研究院還有高速研究中心國園院都有在編列\n\n21\n00:07:13,690 --> 00:07:28,225\n國科會有在編列這個我們現在的這個計劃的整體的研發預算是不是也有增加我們在核融核的部分我們在接下來兩年我們是編了7000萬的不止7000萬啦國研院114到116年還要編列9000萬來研發核融核嘛不是要非核家園嗎\n\n22\n00:07:36,272 --> 00:07:52,880\n所以不要再拿這些關鍵詞來呼嚨大家啦明明我們就是要進入新的時代卓院長也暗示了賴總統也暗示了何碩董事長也暗示了大家都在暗示核安會要擁抱新核能\n\n23\n00:07:53,960 --> 00:08:13,523\n結果呢?您現在在這裡我們一問到核能的問題一問到國際的趨勢就說那是別人的事那是別的國家別的公司這是別的單位台電我想真的是很希望核安會要發出真誠內心的建議不只是童子賢啦\n\n24\n00:08:14,304 --> 00:08:34,865\n台達電的創辦人跟電力最有關的他也說啊台灣非用核電不可啊錯誤的決定要趕快承認錯誤所以我今天只希望告訴您說賴總統卓院長都鬆口可以接受新核能了齁主委你要不要率先接下新核家園\n\n25\n00:08:38,634 --> 00:09:00,240\n新核家園省主牌我幫你做好你願不願意出列我們來接下來嘛大家暗示你很辛苦啊民事可以嗎報告立委我們在國語委員已經做相關的研究的部分對但是核安會核安會不負責政策的決定我們目前做的是研究發展\n\n26\n00:09:00,782 --> 00:09:28,931\n那我們下次就新核安全家園是不是就可以接下可以吧考慮看看後面有人點頭了好沒有關係我們下次再做再做一個審主辦因為我時間用完了所以我想啦從卓院長到賴總統都暗示了新核能是可以考慮的希望核安會在相關的預算人員還有研發計劃的研究上面持續的用理性來看待好不好可以嗎\n\n27\n00:09:29,632 --> 00:09:30,116\n好謝謝委員謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t2771\t國務卿委員質詢,那國務卿委員質詢完後我們休息10分鐘。謝謝主席,有請核安會張主委備詢。好,張代主委請。\n25647\t51568\t會員好是剛剛都已經有詢問過您未來的動向了我就不多問了也希望我們一起來努力做核能安全的守護那我想世界各國都在持續的演進各國為了達成淨零碳排或者低碳的能源的目標還有當然還有發展我們的科技跟AI都將核電廠重啟或研議來作為這個策略\n52830\t68257\t已經列出來我相信你們應該都看過應該要看到爛了啦美國、日本、韓國、英國、法國甚至連三里島核電廠2028都要重啟主委您怎麼看待現在全球吹起的強烈反核潮反回核電潮\n73108\t97553\t我想基本上國際每個國家都會針對自己的能源需求來做規劃我國也是針對我們自己的能源需求我們自己的能源需求就是需要有穩定的能源其實和台灣鄰近國情相似的韓國跟日本都在改變尤其我們現在又說台灣是科技世界的中心我們現在內閣又說是AI內閣結果全世界的AI公司科技大廠都在開始擁抱核電\n98433\t102196\t亞馬遜公佈要採用核電的計劃已經在採購Google也宣布直接要建造7座核反應爐微軟是直接預購了甚至呢這個2028要重啟的山梨島核電廠他直接已經要付錢了結果呢我就想請教\n116909\t131637\t主委這個怎麼看待這個科技、國際都在返回核電賴政府卻視而不見您說台灣要以我們自己的情況來判斷是怎麼樣核能一到了台灣就不能作為選項嗎?核能不是一個安全的選擇嗎?\n133888\t135889\t所以你們不用管有沒有核能啦?是不是這樣?\n151172\t152454\t核能使不使用不是我們的權責。\n167515\t186078\t對於我們的這個業務的部分我們已經從運轉的管制逐漸隨著基礎的狀況轉到廚藝的相關管制而且核安會的事實上我們的業務核電廠的管制是其中的一部分我們還有其他所有的其他輻射防護啊這些的管制那核電廠的研議你們會不會提出研究建議\n187404\t212863\t會不會提供評估?到時候要評估到底能不能研議?是不是你們也會有專員在處理?對吧?這是你們處理的吧?這個是不是使用這個可行性的部分,不是屬於我們的權責那如果到時候真的要做研議評估?如果政府有需要我們提出技術意見的時候,我們會配合執行那現在是不是只差在修法?我們現在的研議的部分研議的部分,現在是不是只差在修法?\n214611\t232191\t目前這個有多位立委有提出修法建議我們尊重委員的提案權那現在既沒有修法我們要往這個這個停止核電的情況要非核家園然後我們又要編這些預算那核安會明年度的預算跟工作目標有沒有要調整啊\n232947\t259254\t我們並沒有編列修法的預算我們編列的是我們廚藝相關的管制預算還有這個核三廠二號均運轉中安全的管制的運轉那現在你廚藝許可也還沒發下來啊你編那麼多預算幹嘛核三的廚藝許可是因為我們也要等到環境部的那邊審查結束之後我們要一併考慮才會核發廚藝許可那我們的廚藝計畫的部分我們已經執行完成我們的作業我想不管怎麼樣啦也希望同仁要提早受訓學習相關廚藝的知識啦\n260954\t280404\t這個許可還有未來的這些建設都應該要儘早做好準備那我再來還要請教一下主委這個卓魁這個否認核電是緊急能源的選項但是我們賴新澤總統去台灣大學演講的時候台灣大學的時候演講說面對學生的提問\n284046\t312845\t賴清德當時的回應是相關單位正研議如何將核電作為暫時備用能源喔這個是我們賴清德總統所說的請教主委賴清德總統將核電作為暫時備用能源的說法安不安全可行性高不高我想就誠如剛才立委所說其實這是一個有要如何去研究那我相信經濟部、台電公司他們有做相關的庇護所以目前才會有這個希望有三個前提之下再來討論\n314929\t317259\t全世界沒有一個核電廠\n318829\t347464\t是在戰爭中要去運作的這根本就是反過來的一個策略我們平常應該是反而應該讓核電來幫我們穩定的發電不要用廢發電用愛發電結果我們的總統竟然發表的是一個違反全世界核能安全的評論您覺得暫時使用核電來作為備用能源安全嗎這核安會可以說話了吧不要再踢給台電了吧不要再踢給總統了吧這顆球你要接下來了吧\n349793\t370271\t我想基本上這個如果在針對運轉中的核能電廠的話國際上有一個共識就是不主動攻擊核能電廠這在烏鴉戰爭的時候其實有這樣子的一個情形大家都可以這個注意到我們平常都不相信敵人啊我們要料敵從寬啊民進黨也說要抗中保台啊怎麼我們現在就相信敵人了呢\n372154\t386249\t我只是舉烏鴉戰爭的一個經驗我想我們還是要理性看待好不好不要隨著你的思緒隨著你自己的意識形態轉彎尤其我們核安會應該是要以科學為依據的\n387330\t404527\t那我想這個賴清德總統自己現在也鬆動了說不排除新核能也要開發多元的能源那想請教核安會現在SMR小型核反應的這個廠研發的這個資源是不是有增加\n405706\t431508\t目前我們在國園院是有編列這個預算從100萬增加到1543萬那我們再來看還有什麼呢為什麼你們自己願意增加全世界都在做SMR所以這個我們再來看都太多資料了我想你們全部都有了那我們再來看核融合我們現在核融合有國家實驗研究院還有高速研究中心國園院都有在編列\n433690\t448225\t國科會有在編列這個我們現在的這個計劃的整體的研發預算是不是也有增加我們在核融核的部分我們在接下來兩年我們是編了7000萬的不止7000萬啦國研院114到116年還要編列9000萬來研發核融核嘛不是要非核家園嗎\n456272\t472880\t所以不要再拿這些關鍵詞來呼嚨大家啦明明我們就是要進入新的時代卓院長也暗示了賴總統也暗示了何碩董事長也暗示了大家都在暗示核安會要擁抱新核能\n473960\t493523\t結果呢?您現在在這裡我們一問到核能的問題一問到國際的趨勢就說那是別人的事那是別的國家別的公司這是別的單位台電我想真的是很希望核安會要發出真誠內心的建議不只是童子賢啦\n494304\t514865\t台達電的創辦人跟電力最有關的他也說啊台灣非用核電不可啊錯誤的決定要趕快承認錯誤所以我今天只希望告訴您說賴總統卓院長都鬆口可以接受新核能了齁主委你要不要率先接下新核家園\n518634\t540240\t新核家園省主牌我幫你做好你願不願意出列我們來接下來嘛大家暗示你很辛苦啊民事可以嗎報告立委我們在國語委員已經做相關的研究的部分對但是核安會核安會不負責政策的決定我們目前做的是研究發展\n540782\t568931\t那我們下次就新核安全家園是不是就可以接下可以吧考慮看看後面有人點頭了好沒有關係我們下次再做再做一個審主辦因為我時間用完了所以我想啦從卓院長到賴總統都暗示了新核能是可以考慮的希望核安會在相關的預算人員還有研發計劃的研究上面持續的用理性來看待好不好可以嗎\n569632\t570116\t好 謝謝委員謝謝\n","txt":"國務卿委員質詢,那國務卿委員質詢完後我們休息10分鐘。謝謝主席,有請核安會張主委備詢。好,張代主委請。\n會員好是剛剛都已經有詢問過您未來的動向了我就不多問了也希望我們一起來努力做核能安全的守護那我想世界各國都在持續的演進各國為了達成淨零碳排或者低碳的能源的目標還有當然還有發展我們的科技跟AI都將核電廠重啟或研議來作為這個策略\n已經列出來我相信你們應該都看過應該要看到爛了啦美國、日本、韓國、英國、法國甚至連三里島核電廠2028都要重啟主委您怎麼看待現在全球吹起的強烈反核潮反回核電潮\n我想基本上國際每個國家都會針對自己的能源需求來做規劃我國也是針對我們自己的能源需求我們自己的能源需求就是需要有穩定的能源其實和台灣鄰近國情相似的韓國跟日本都在改變尤其我們現在又說台灣是科技世界的中心我們現在內閣又說是AI內閣結果全世界的AI公司科技大廠都在開始擁抱核電\n亞馬遜公佈要採用核電的計劃已經在採購Google也宣布直接要建造7座核反應爐微軟是直接預購了甚至呢這個2028要重啟的山梨島核電廠他直接已經要付錢了結果呢我就想請教\n主委這個怎麼看待這個科技、國際都在返回核電賴政府卻視而不見您說台灣要以我們自己的情況來判斷是怎麼樣核能一到了台灣就不能作為選項嗎?核能不是一個安全的選擇嗎?\n所以你們不用管有沒有核能啦?是不是這樣?\n核能使不使用不是我們的權責。\n對於我們的這個業務的部分我們已經從運轉的管制逐漸隨著基礎的狀況轉到廚藝的相關管制而且核安會的事實上我們的業務核電廠的管制是其中的一部分我們還有其他所有的其他輻射防護啊這些的管制那核電廠的研議你們會不會提出研究建議\n會不會提供評估?到時候要評估到底能不能研議?是不是你們也會有專員在處理?對吧?這是你們處理的吧?這個是不是使用這個可行性的部分,不是屬於我們的權責那如果到時候真的要做研議評估?如果政府有需要我們提出技術意見的時候,我們會配合執行那現在是不是只差在修法?我們現在的研議的部分研議的部分,現在是不是只差在修法?\n目前這個有多位立委有提出修法建議我們尊重委員的提案權那現在既沒有修法我們要往這個這個停止核電的情況要非核家園然後我們又要編這些預算那核安會明年度的預算跟工作目標有沒有要調整啊\n我們並沒有編列修法的預算我們編列的是我們廚藝相關的管制預算還有這個核三廠二號均運轉中安全的管制的運轉那現在你廚藝許可也還沒發下來啊你編那麼多預算幹嘛核三的廚藝許可是因為我們也要等到環境部的那邊審查結束之後我們要一併考慮才會核發廚藝許可那我們的廚藝計畫的部分我們已經執行完成我們的作業我想不管怎麼樣啦也希望同仁要提早受訓學習相關廚藝的知識啦\n這個許可還有未來的這些建設都應該要儘早做好準備那我再來還要請教一下主委這個卓魁這個否認核電是緊急能源的選項但是我們賴新澤總統去台灣大學演講的時候台灣大學的時候演講說面對學生的提問\n賴清德當時的回應是相關單位正研議如何將核電作為暫時備用能源喔這個是我們賴清德總統所說的請教主委賴清德總統將核電作為暫時備用能源的說法安不安全可行性高不高我想就誠如剛才立委所說其實這是一個有要如何去研究那我相信經濟部、台電公司他們有做相關的庇護所以目前才會有這個希望有三個前提之下再來討論\n全世界沒有一個核電廠\n是在戰爭中要去運作的這根本就是反過來的一個策略我們平常應該是反而應該讓核電來幫我們穩定的發電不要用廢發電用愛發電結果我們的總統竟然發表的是一個違反全世界核能安全的評論您覺得暫時使用核電來作為備用能源安全嗎這核安會可以說話了吧不要再踢給台電了吧不要再踢給總統了吧這顆球你要接下來了吧\n我想基本上這個如果在針對運轉中的核能電廠的話國際上有一個共識就是不主動攻擊核能電廠這在烏鴉戰爭的時候其實有這樣子的一個情形大家都可以這個注意到我們平常都不相信敵人啊我們要料敵從寬啊民進黨也說要抗中保台啊怎麼我們現在就相信敵人了呢\n我只是舉烏鴉戰爭的一個經驗我想我們還是要理性看待好不好不要隨著你的思緒隨著你自己的意識形態轉彎尤其我們核安會應該是要以科學為依據的\n那我想這個賴清德總統自己現在也鬆動了說不排除新核能也要開發多元的能源那想請教核安會現在SMR小型核反應的這個廠研發的這個資源是不是有增加\n目前我們在國園院是有編列這個預算從100萬增加到1543萬那我們再來看還有什麼呢為什麼你們自己願意增加全世界都在做SMR所以這個我們再來看都太多資料了我想你們全部都有了那我們再來看核融合我們現在核融合有國家實驗研究院還有高速研究中心國園院都有在編列\n國科會有在編列這個我們現在的這個計劃的整體的研發預算是不是也有增加我們在核融核的部分我們在接下來兩年我們是編了7000萬的不止7000萬啦國研院114到116年還要編列9000萬來研發核融核嘛不是要非核家園嗎\n所以不要再拿這些關鍵詞來呼嚨大家啦明明我們就是要進入新的時代卓院長也暗示了賴總統也暗示了何碩董事長也暗示了大家都在暗示核安會要擁抱新核能\n結果呢?您現在在這裡我們一問到核能的問題一問到國際的趨勢就說那是別人的事那是別的國家別的公司這是別的單位台電我想真的是很希望核安會要發出真誠內心的建議不只是童子賢啦\n台達電的創辦人跟電力最有關的他也說啊台灣非用核電不可啊錯誤的決定要趕快承認錯誤所以我今天只希望告訴您說賴總統卓院長都鬆口可以接受新核能了齁主委你要不要率先接下新核家園\n新核家園省主牌我幫你做好你願不願意出列我們來接下來嘛大家暗示你很辛苦啊民事可以嗎報告立委我們在國語委員已經做相關的研究的部分對但是核安會核安會不負責政策的決定我們目前做的是研究發展\n那我們下次就新核安全家園是不是就可以接下可以吧考慮看看後面有人點頭了好沒有關係我們下次再做再做一個審主辦因為我時間用完了所以我想啦從卓院長到賴總統都暗示了新核能是可以考慮的希望核安會在相關的預算人員還有研發計劃的研究上面持續的用理性來看待好不好可以嗎\n好 謝謝委員謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.089 --> 00:02.771\n國務卿委員質詢,那國務卿委員質詢完後我們休息10分鐘。謝謝主席,有請核安會張主委備詢。好,張代主委請。\n\n00:25.647 --> 00:51.568\n會員好是剛剛都已經有詢問過您未來的動向了我就不多問了也希望我們一起來努力做核能安全的守護那我想世界各國都在持續的演進各國為了達成淨零碳排或者低碳的能源的目標還有當然還有發展我們的科技跟AI都將核電廠重啟或研議來作為這個策略\n\n00:52.830 --> 01:08.257\n已經列出來我相信你們應該都看過應該要看到爛了啦美國、日本、韓國、英國、法國甚至連三里島核電廠2028都要重啟主委您怎麼看待現在全球吹起的強烈反核潮反回核電潮\n\n01:13.108 --> 01:37.553\n我想基本上國際每個國家都會針對自己的能源需求來做規劃我國也是針對我們自己的能源需求我們自己的能源需求就是需要有穩定的能源其實和台灣鄰近國情相似的韓國跟日本都在改變尤其我們現在又說台灣是科技世界的中心我們現在內閣又說是AI內閣結果全世界的AI公司科技大廠都在開始擁抱核電\n\n01:38.433 --> 01:42.196\n亞馬遜公佈要採用核電的計劃已經在採購Google也宣布直接要建造7座核反應爐微軟是直接預購了甚至呢這個2028要重啟的山梨島核電廠他直接已經要付錢了結果呢我就想請教\n\n01:56.909 --> 02:11.637\n主委這個怎麼看待這個科技、國際都在返回核電賴政府卻視而不見您說台灣要以我們自己的情況來判斷是怎麼樣核能一到了台灣就不能作為選項嗎?核能不是一個安全的選擇嗎?\n\n02:13.888 --> 02:15.889\n所以你們不用管有沒有核能啦?是不是這樣?\n\n02:31.172 --> 02:32.454\n核能使不使用不是我們的權責。\n\n02:47.515 --> 03:06.078\n對於我們的這個業務的部分我們已經從運轉的管制逐漸隨著基礎的狀況轉到廚藝的相關管制而且核安會的事實上我們的業務核電廠的管制是其中的一部分我們還有其他所有的其他輻射防護啊這些的管制那核電廠的研議你們會不會提出研究建議\n\n03:07.404 --> 03:32.863\n會不會提供評估?到時候要評估到底能不能研議?是不是你們也會有專員在處理?對吧?這是你們處理的吧?這個是不是使用這個可行性的部分,不是屬於我們的權責那如果到時候真的要做研議評估?如果政府有需要我們提出技術意見的時候,我們會配合執行那現在是不是只差在修法?我們現在的研議的部分研議的部分,現在是不是只差在修法?\n\n03:34.611 --> 03:52.191\n目前這個有多位立委有提出修法建議我們尊重委員的提案權那現在既沒有修法我們要往這個這個停止核電的情況要非核家園然後我們又要編這些預算那核安會明年度的預算跟工作目標有沒有要調整啊\n\n03:52.947 --> 04:19.254\n我們並沒有編列修法的預算我們編列的是我們廚藝相關的管制預算還有這個核三廠二號均運轉中安全的管制的運轉那現在你廚藝許可也還沒發下來啊你編那麼多預算幹嘛核三的廚藝許可是因為我們也要等到環境部的那邊審查結束之後我們要一併考慮才會核發廚藝許可那我們的廚藝計畫的部分我們已經執行完成我們的作業我想不管怎麼樣啦也希望同仁要提早受訓學習相關廚藝的知識啦\n\n04:20.954 --> 04:40.404\n這個許可還有未來的這些建設都應該要儘早做好準備那我再來還要請教一下主委這個卓魁這個否認核電是緊急能源的選項但是我們賴新澤總統去台灣大學演講的時候台灣大學的時候演講說面對學生的提問\n\n04:44.046 --> 05:12.845\n賴清德當時的回應是相關單位正研議如何將核電作為暫時備用能源喔這個是我們賴清德總統所說的請教主委賴清德總統將核電作為暫時備用能源的說法安不安全可行性高不高我想就誠如剛才立委所說其實這是一個有要如何去研究那我相信經濟部、台電公司他們有做相關的庇護所以目前才會有這個希望有三個前提之下再來討論\n\n05:14.929 --> 05:17.259\n全世界沒有一個核電廠\n\n05:18.829 --> 05:47.464\n是在戰爭中要去運作的這根本就是反過來的一個策略我們平常應該是反而應該讓核電來幫我們穩定的發電不要用廢發電用愛發電結果我們的總統竟然發表的是一個違反全世界核能安全的評論您覺得暫時使用核電來作為備用能源安全嗎這核安會可以說話了吧不要再踢給台電了吧不要再踢給總統了吧這顆球你要接下來了吧\n\n05:49.793 --> 06:10.271\n我想基本上這個如果在針對運轉中的核能電廠的話國際上有一個共識就是不主動攻擊核能電廠這在烏鴉戰爭的時候其實有這樣子的一個情形大家都可以這個注意到我們平常都不相信敵人啊我們要料敵從寬啊民進黨也說要抗中保台啊怎麼我們現在就相信敵人了呢\n\n06:12.154 --> 06:26.249\n我只是舉烏鴉戰爭的一個經驗我想我們還是要理性看待好不好不要隨著你的思緒隨著你自己的意識形態轉彎尤其我們核安會應該是要以科學為依據的\n\n06:27.330 --> 06:44.527\n那我想這個賴清德總統自己現在也鬆動了說不排除新核能也要開發多元的能源那想請教核安會現在SMR小型核反應的這個廠研發的這個資源是不是有增加\n\n06:45.706 --> 07:11.508\n目前我們在國園院是有編列這個預算從100萬增加到1543萬那我們再來看還有什麼呢為什麼你們自己願意增加全世界都在做SMR所以這個我們再來看都太多資料了我想你們全部都有了那我們再來看核融合我們現在核融合有國家實驗研究院還有高速研究中心國園院都有在編列\n\n07:13.690 --> 07:28.225\n國科會有在編列這個我們現在的這個計劃的整體的研發預算是不是也有增加我們在核融核的部分我們在接下來兩年我們是編了7000萬的不止7000萬啦國研院114到116年還要編列9000萬來研發核融核嘛不是要非核家園嗎\n\n07:36.272 --> 07:52.880\n所以不要再拿這些關鍵詞來呼嚨大家啦明明我們就是要進入新的時代卓院長也暗示了賴總統也暗示了何碩董事長也暗示了大家都在暗示核安會要擁抱新核能\n\n07:53.960 --> 08:13.523\n結果呢?您現在在這裡我們一問到核能的問題一問到國際的趨勢就說那是別人的事那是別的國家別的公司這是別的單位台電我想真的是很希望核安會要發出真誠內心的建議不只是童子賢啦\n\n08:14.304 --> 08:34.865\n台達電的創辦人跟電力最有關的他也說啊台灣非用核電不可啊錯誤的決定要趕快承認錯誤所以我今天只希望告訴您說賴總統卓院長都鬆口可以接受新核能了齁主委你要不要率先接下新核家園\n\n08:38.634 --> 09:00.240\n新核家園省主牌我幫你做好你願不願意出列我們來接下來嘛大家暗示你很辛苦啊民事可以嗎報告立委我們在國語委員已經做相關的研究的部分對但是核安會核安會不負責政策的決定我們目前做的是研究發展\n\n09:00.782 --> 09:28.931\n那我們下次就新核安全家園是不是就可以接下可以吧考慮看看後面有人點頭了好沒有關係我們下次再做再做一個審主辦因為我時間用完了所以我想啦從卓院長到賴總統都暗示了新核能是可以考慮的希望核安會在相關的預算人員還有研發計劃的研究上面持續的用理性來看待好不好可以嗎\n\n09:29.632 --> 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