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00:02:44,580\n其實本席這邊要提醒核安會其實核一的這個移轉燃料棒是民眾都非常關心的一個議題我已經重複的強調很多次所以我這邊要請核安會這邊定時的揭露目前的進度以及相關安全須知讓民眾可以放心就是說所有的狀況都是在我們核安會的掌握裡面那我們可以隨時的掌握進度隨時的了解這個進度是如何讓民眾可以知道是的\n\n8\n00:02:46,161 --> 00:03:09,842\n那接下來我想請教主委新聞報導有說目前我們核四廠的這個前廠長有公開表示只要燃料還有空間可以存放用過的燃料棒核一廠是可以繼續沿用意思也就是說在台電移轉所有的燃料棒到乾式儲存廠之後呢核一廠是可以再度使用主委你覺得這可能嗎這是安全的嗎這樣的說法是有負責任的嗎\n\n9\n00:03:13,932 --> 00:03:40,214\n第一個我想第一個就是要有法律依據然後另外一個其實核一廠他已經取得廚藝許可他也進行了部分設備的一個拆除的工作那事實上他進入廚藝期間他的整個組織架構都會隨著廚藝工作的需求來做改變所以無論是在這個拆除的進度還有在這個人力還有設備維護方面都做了一些更改所以不是像所說的這麼簡單就是把用過燃料移出他就可以運轉\n\n10\n00:03:40,894 --> 00:03:48,898\n所以他這樣的說法是不安全的並不是說把空間挪出來之後那個所有的就可以繼續運轉因為已經做了不一樣的變更了其實核一廠從67年開始商轉一號機、二號機分別在107年及108年就有廚藝那依照目前核管法相關的規定進入廚藝階段的核能廠代表它的核子反應器是永久的停止運轉\n\n11\n00:04:05,205 --> 00:04:20,446\n是沒有再次啟動的空間所以說如果核電廠他是真的要研議其實依法他還要提交許多相關安全的分析及報告還要經過一些相關的審查的程序不可能是說說研用就研用是吧是\n\n12\n00:04:21,967 --> 00:04:25,108\n所以本席也希望說核安會這邊你們應該嚴正的澄清不是我們不是民眾可能會被誤導這樣子的言論就是說想演繹就演繹也不能讓這樣子的言論來讓民眾覺得恐慌\n\n13\n00:04:38,373 --> 00:05:00,212\n這個非官政治最重要的是安全主要是以安全的角度來考量以你們核安會的專業來看待來管理相關的這些事宜不能冒任何的風險所以這個部分我希望核安會你們也要適度提出該澄清的言論讓民眾可以安心說因為這樣是是而非的言論是會讓民眾覺得很焦慮的是\n\n14\n00:05:02,423 --> 00:05:30,132\n那所以說你們可以提出一些對於這些言論有所澄清的一些聲明在你們的一些公告或者網站上嗎我們會來適度檢視如何來做一個澄清不會引起另外其他的誤會好的那接下來我請教主委請問您覺得即便我國未來不再興建或發展核能我們是不是應該還是要掌握國際間未來核能的技術跟發展的狀況您覺得呢\n\n15\n00:05:32,000 --> 00:06:00,465\n是的我想作為這個管制機關我們確實要這個持續掌握國際間相關發展的一個趨勢其實一直以來新核能的技術的發展在國際間關心現在都非常關心小型的核反應爐就是SMR的這個進度那本席其實也有在呼籲說核安會你們要有一定程度的了解相關的技術及學術上的這樣的精進其實核能安全的掌握我們相關的訊息是一定要有了解的主委您覺得\n\n16\n00:06:01,845 --> 00:06:26,696\n對其實在核能這個掌握的部分事實上我們有請國研院對於相關的議題他們都要去掌握這個新的技術因為我們自己有沒有新建或發展核能是我們的選擇但是在技術上在學術上的了解是我們必須具備的那台灣不能自我排除在國際技術之外這跟我們是不是發展核能是沒有相關的就如同卓院長說的台灣不應該跟國際技術脫節\n\n17\n00:06:30,498 --> 00:06:46,232\n所以本席這邊也要告訴核安會喔核安會是我國核能安全技術及防護最高的機關那希望核安會這邊呢可以掌握相關的訊息與技術所以我這邊要請教主委喔目前核安會或是核研所有沒有投入相關的預算來進行相關的研究\n\n18\n00:06:48,934 --> 00:06:51,116\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預\n\n19\n00:07:03,988 --> 00:07:05,929\n國際間他們各國發展技術的這個收集訊息非常的重要我們必須了解說我們周邊的國家哪一些國家他們的動態這是對我們自己最基本的安全的一個防護一個保護\n\n20\n00:07:19,455 --> 00:07:34,744\n因為說未來不再興建或發展核能自我排除在國際的這個技術之外我們必須要與時俊進我相信主委您有這樣子的認知那我相信我們核研所這邊也對相關的訊息有所掌握這才能跟得上國際技術的這個脈動那接下來呢我想請教關於科普教育的問題\n\n21\n00:07:39,727 --> 00:08:04,585\n那核安會這幾年都有陸續辦理科普教育那來推廣這些核能科普的知識核能科技研發的成果及相關安全管制的這個業務那本席是非常樂見也非常支持科普教育的推廣也覺得應該要多多益善但是本席看到核安會辦理的相關的這個科普活動的這些場次的人次發現有一年辦在本席的選區核美高中的人次是非常非常的少\n\n22\n00:08:05,345 --> 00:08:09,448\n在109年的這一個場次8月22到8月23號其實它是週末那其實如果你們沒有做適度的一些宣傳在週末應該比較不會有人主動要去學校裡面參加活動所以這個舉辦的這個場地舉辦的這個場所的選擇非常的重要\n\n23\n00:08:23,897 --> 00:08:25,638\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預算案\n\n24\n00:08:48,628 --> 00:08:57,253\n場所可以再評估因為你們要爭取到你們來辦一場非常非常的不容易那如果以這樣子的人次來講對這樣子相關的資源資訊是有點可惜的所以這個部分希望說你們可以對你們選擇的這個場址要經過審慎的評估那再來我也希望說你們可以多辦理這相關的場次因為我覺得一年兩場是真的有點少\n\n25\n00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,561\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預\n\n26\n00:09:28,166 --> 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核安會或是核研所有沒有投入相關的預算來進行相關的研究\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預\n國際間他們各國發展技術的這個收集訊息非常的重要我們必須了解說我們周邊的國家哪一些國家他們的動態這是對我們自己最基本的安全的一個防護一個保護\n因為說未來不再興建或發展核能自我排除在國際的這個技術之外我們必須要與時俊進我相信主委您有這樣子的認知那我相信我們核研所這邊也對相關的訊息有所掌握這才能跟得上國際技術的這個脈動那接下來呢我想請教關於科普教育的問題\n那核安會這幾年都有陸續辦理科普教育那來推廣這些核能科普的知識核能科技研發的成果及相關安全管制的這個業務那本席是非常樂見也非常支持科普教育的推廣也覺得應該要多多益善但是本席看到核安會辦理的相關的這個科普活動的這些場次的人次發現有一年辦在本席的選區核美高中的人次是非常非常的少\n在109年的這一個場次8月22到8月23號其實它是週末那其實如果你們沒有做適度的一些宣傳在週末應該比較不會有人主動要去學校裡面參加活動所以這個舉辦的這個場地舉辦的這個場所的選擇非常的重要\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預算案\n場所可以再評估因為你們要爭取到你們來辦一場非常非常的不容易那如果以這樣子的人次來講對這樣子相關的資源資訊是有點可惜的所以這個部分希望說你們可以對你們選擇的這個場址要經過審慎的評估那再來我也希望說你們可以多辦理這相關的場次因為我覺得一年兩場是真的有點少\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預\n主席主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.229 --> 00:00.609\n陳秀寶委員質詢\n\n00:19.779 --> 00:23.183\n最近關於我們核一的熱測室的這個作業啟動並且會開始移出燃料棒相關這個動態民眾都十分的關心那核一廠呢室外的乾式儲存廠之前是因為新北市政府一直都沒有核可這個水保的計劃\n\n00:39.502 --> 00:55.468\n導致延宕11年無法使用後來是因為台電在官司上有勝訴所以新北市政府就因此來核准並且在10月15號取得水保計劃完工證明之後呢開始來執行熱測室的作業那台電這個熱測室作業預計辦兩個月之後的時間之後就大概到12月15號會議務管法的第18條向核安會來申請運轉執照那我這邊想請教主委\n\n01:07.412 --> 01:33.804\n台電提出申請後,核安委我們這邊來審查運轉執照需要多久的時間?基本上我們是定3個月但不包含台電公司他答覆的狀況所以基本上如果是資料是齊備的話是3個月的時間那運轉執照之前有說會先發給20年那以現在的規劃還是一樣只要他提出申請你們核可之後就是規劃20年的時間嗎?對目前看起來台電是要申請20年\n\n01:35.191 --> 02:02.415\n那有沒有預計說台電他在什麼時候必須要完成室外乾除這個燃料棒的移轉這部分就看他到時候提出他的這個申請的時候他的整個計畫的規劃其實民眾真的都非常的關心就是關於這些核安的議題目前合一的室外乾除廠是不夠容納所有的這些用過的燃料棒那麼室內的乾除的這個設置進度請問現在是如何\n\n02:03.505 --> 02:17.582\n目前還在招標作業當中還在招標作業當中對因為之前有一些不順就是剛才也有委員提到就是好像是他們在招標的價金的部分太低所以他們做了一些調整目前這個核一二廠都仍然在招標作業當中調整過後現在還在招標當中就對了齁\n\n02:19.744 --> 02:44.580\n其實本席這邊要提醒核安會其實核一的這個移轉燃料棒是民眾都非常關心的一個議題我已經重複的強調很多次所以我這邊要請核安會這邊定時的揭露目前的進度以及相關安全須知讓民眾可以放心就是說所有的狀況都是在我們核安會的掌握裡面那我們可以隨時的掌握進度隨時的了解這個進度是如何讓民眾可以知道是的\n\n02:46.161 --> 03:09.842\n那接下來我想請教主委新聞報導有說目前我們核四廠的這個前廠長有公開表示只要燃料還有空間可以存放用過的燃料棒核一廠是可以繼續沿用意思也就是說在台電移轉所有的燃料棒到乾式儲存廠之後呢核一廠是可以再度使用主委你覺得這可能嗎這是安全的嗎這樣的說法是有負責任的嗎\n\n03:13.932 --> 03:40.214\n第一個我想第一個就是要有法律依據然後另外一個其實核一廠他已經取得廚藝許可他也進行了部分設備的一個拆除的工作那事實上他進入廚藝期間他的整個組織架構都會隨著廚藝工作的需求來做改變所以無論是在這個拆除的進度還有在這個人力還有設備維護方面都做了一些更改所以不是像所說的這麼簡單就是把用過燃料移出他就可以運轉\n\n03:40.894 --> 03:48.898\n所以他這樣的說法是不安全的並不是說把空間挪出來之後那個所有的就可以繼續運轉因為已經做了不一樣的變更了其實核一廠從67年開始商轉一號機、二號機分別在107年及108年就有廚藝那依照目前核管法相關的規定進入廚藝階段的核能廠代表它的核子反應器是永久的停止運轉\n\n04:05.205 --> 04:20.446\n是沒有再次啟動的空間所以說如果核電廠他是真的要研議其實依法他還要提交許多相關安全的分析及報告還要經過一些相關的審查的程序不可能是說說研用就研用是吧是\n\n04:21.967 --> 04:25.108\n所以本席也希望說核安會這邊你們應該嚴正的澄清不是我們不是民眾可能會被誤導這樣子的言論就是說想演繹就演繹也不能讓這樣子的言論來讓民眾覺得恐慌\n\n04:38.373 --> 05:00.212\n這個非官政治最重要的是安全主要是以安全的角度來考量以你們核安會的專業來看待來管理相關的這些事宜不能冒任何的風險所以這個部分我希望核安會你們也要適度提出該澄清的言論讓民眾可以安心說因為這樣是是而非的言論是會讓民眾覺得很焦慮的是\n\n05:02.423 --> 05:30.132\n那所以說你們可以提出一些對於這些言論有所澄清的一些聲明在你們的一些公告或者網站上嗎我們會來適度檢視如何來做一個澄清不會引起另外其他的誤會好的那接下來我請教主委請問您覺得即便我國未來不再興建或發展核能我們是不是應該還是要掌握國際間未來核能的技術跟發展的狀況您覺得呢\n\n05:32.000 --> 06:00.465\n是的我想作為這個管制機關我們確實要這個持續掌握國際間相關發展的一個趨勢其實一直以來新核能的技術的發展在國際間關心現在都非常關心小型的核反應爐就是SMR的這個進度那本席其實也有在呼籲說核安會你們要有一定程度的了解相關的技術及學術上的這樣的精進其實核能安全的掌握我們相關的訊息是一定要有了解的主委您覺得\n\n06:01.845 --> 06:26.696\n對其實在核能這個掌握的部分事實上我們有請國研院對於相關的議題他們都要去掌握這個新的技術因為我們自己有沒有新建或發展核能是我們的選擇但是在技術上在學術上的了解是我們必須具備的那台灣不能自我排除在國際技術之外這跟我們是不是發展核能是沒有相關的就如同卓院長說的台灣不應該跟國際技術脫節\n\n06:30.498 --> 06:46.232\n所以本席這邊也要告訴核安會喔核安會是我國核能安全技術及防護最高的機關那希望核安會這邊呢可以掌握相關的訊息與技術所以我這邊要請教主委喔目前核安會或是核研所有沒有投入相關的預算來進行相關的研究\n\n06:48.934 --> 06:51.116\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預\n\n07:03.988 --> 07:05.929\n國際間他們各國發展技術的這個收集訊息非常的重要我們必須了解說我們周邊的國家哪一些國家他們的動態這是對我們自己最基本的安全的一個防護一個保護\n\n07:19.455 --> 07:34.744\n因為說未來不再興建或發展核能自我排除在國際的這個技術之外我們必須要與時俊進我相信主委您有這樣子的認知那我相信我們核研所這邊也對相關的訊息有所掌握這才能跟得上國際技術的這個脈動那接下來呢我想請教關於科普教育的問題\n\n07:39.727 --> 08:04.585\n那核安會這幾年都有陸續辦理科普教育那來推廣這些核能科普的知識核能科技研發的成果及相關安全管制的這個業務那本席是非常樂見也非常支持科普教育的推廣也覺得應該要多多益善但是本席看到核安會辦理的相關的這個科普活動的這些場次的人次發現有一年辦在本席的選區核美高中的人次是非常非常的少\n\n08:05.345 --> 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改，所以不是像所說的這麼簡單，就是把用過的燃料棒移出，它就可以運轉。"],["陳委員秀寳：所以他這樣的說法是不安全的，並不是把空間挪出來之後，所有的就可以繼續運轉，因為已經做了不一樣的變更了。其實核一廠從67年開始商轉，1號機、2號機分別在107年及108年就除役，依照目前核管法相關的規定，進入除役階段的核能廠代表它的核子反應器是永久的停止運轉，是沒有再次啟動的空間，所以如果核電廠真的要延役，依法還要提交許多相關的安全分析及報告，還要經過一些相關的審查程序，不可能說延用就延用，是吧？"],["張代理主任委員欣：是。"],["陳委員秀寳：所以本席也希望核安會應該嚴正的澄清，民眾可能會被這樣的言論誤導，以為想延役就延役，也不能讓這樣的言論造成民眾恐慌，這個非政治，最重要的是安全，主要是以安全的角度來考量，以你們核安會的專業來看待、來管理相關的事宜，不能冒任何的風險，所以這個部分我希望核安會也要適度地提出該澄清的言論，讓民眾可以安心，因為這樣似是而非的言論會讓民眾覺得很焦慮。"],["張代理主任委員欣：是。"],["陳委員秀寳：所以你們可以提出一些對於這些言論有所澄清的聲明在你們的公告或者網站上嗎？"],["張代理主任委員欣：我們會來適度檢視如何來做澄清，不會引起另外其他的誤會。"],["陳委員秀寳：好的。接下來我請教主委，即便我國未來不再興建或發展核能，我們是不是應該還是要掌握國際間未來核能的技術跟發展的狀況，您覺得呢？"],["張代理主任委員欣：是的，我想作為管制機關，我們確實要持續掌握國際間相關發展的趨勢。"],["陳委員秀寳：其實一直以來，關於新核能技術的發展，國際間現在都非常關心小型核反應爐（SMR）的進度，本席也有呼籲核安會要有一定程度的了解相關的技術及學術上的精進，其實為了核能安全的掌握，我們是一定要了解相關的訊息，主委，您覺得呢？"],["張代理主任委員欣：對，在核能的掌握部分，我們有請國原院對於相關的議題都要去掌握新的技術。"],["陳委員秀寳：因為我們自己有沒有興建或發展核能是我們的選擇，但是在技術上、在學術上的了解是我們必須具備的，臺灣不能自我排除在國際技術之外，這跟我們是不是發展核能是沒有相關的，就如同卓院長說的，臺灣不應該跟國際技術脫節。所以本席也要告訴核安會，核安會是我國核能安全技術及防護最高的機關，希望核安會可以掌握相關的訊息與技術，我要請教主委，目前核安會或是核研所有沒有投入相關的預算來進行相關的研究？"],["張代理主任委員欣：有，目前國原院針對小型模組化的反應器還有核融合，都有編列投入相關的研究經費來做相關的研究，去掌握比較關鍵的技術，還有蒐集國際發展的資訊。"],["陳委員秀寳：對，還是要再跟您強調，蒐集國際間各國發展技術的訊息非常的重要，我們必須了解我們周邊的國家、哪一些國家的動態，這是對我們自己最基本的一個安全防護、保護，我們也不會因為未來不再興建或發展核能，而自我排除在國際的技術之外，我們必須要與時俱進，主委您有這樣子的認知，我相信我們核研所也對相關的訊息有所掌握，才能跟得上國際技術的脈動。","接下來我想請教關於科普教育的問題，核安會這幾年都有陸續辦理科普教育來推廣核能科普的知識、核能科技研發的成果及相關安全管制的業務，本席非常樂見也非常支持科普教育的推廣，也覺得應該要多多益善。但是本席看到核安會辦理相關科普活動場次的人次，發現有一年辦在本席的選區和美高中的人次非常非常少，在109年8月22號到8月23號的這個場次，其實它是在周末，如果你們沒有做適度的宣傳，在周末應該比較不會有人主動要去學校裡面參加活動，所以舉辦的場地、舉辦的場所的選擇非常的重要，本席建議你們可以選擇人潮比較聚集的場所來辦理，比較能夠吸引民眾參加。例如本席選區非常熱絡的鹿港老街，它在周末的人潮非常非常的多，你們根本不需要耗費多餘的經費來做宣傳或做廣告，就可以達到推廣的成效。","我希望未來你們在辦理核安會相關科普的場所可以再評估，因為你們要爭取讓你們來辦一場活動非常不容易，以這樣子的人次來講，對於這樣的資源、資訊是有點可惜的，所以希望你們選擇的場址要經過審慎的評估。再來，我也希望你們可以多辦理相關的場次，因為我覺得一年兩場真的有點少，也希望你們可以跟國科會、教育部合作，一起來推廣，讓我們持續吸引人才投入核能的相關領域，包括我們的核能應用研究也透過活動讓民眾能夠有所認識，這個部分可不可以請主委再研議？"],["張代理主任委員欣：好，針對委員建議我們在辦理場址的部分能夠評估在人流比較多的地方，我們會繼續努力來強化。另外，跟委員報告一下，除了我們自辦的科普教育，我們現在也有積極跟各部會合作，他們如果有做科普的相關宣導，我們也都會加入協辦。"],["陳委員秀寳：也希望場次可以再增加。"],["張代理主任委員欣：好，努力。"],["陳委員秀寳：謝謝主委，謝謝主席。"],["主席：謝謝陳秀寳委員的質詢，張代主委請回。","請郭昱晴委員質詢，郭昱晴委員質詢完我們休息。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":358,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-22-9","speakers":["范雲","洪孟楷","萬美玲","林宜瑾","林倩綺","張雅琳","柯志恩","葛如鈞","陳秀寳","郭昱晴","吳沛憶","陳培瑜","羅廷瑋","葉元之","吳春城"],"page_start":313,"meetingDate":["2024-11-20"],"gazette_id":"11310401","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310401_00006"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期教育及文化委員會第9次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請核能安全委員會代理主任委員張欣列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、審查114年度中\n央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預算案；三、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有\n關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預算案；四、審查114年度行政法人國家\n原子能科技研究院預算案（第二案至第四案僅進行詢答）","agenda_id":"11310401_00005"}}}