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00:00:15,030\n好謝謝主席主席我們先邀請這個交通部陳世凱部長陳部長民航局何局長何局長跟我們中華航空謝董事長謝董好大家好這個一開始我想先肯定一下當然這個過去有講說這個\n\n2\n00:00:32,481 --> 00:00:48,903\n華航機組員、空服員可以穿褲裝液體當然現在我想公司這邊有明確進展的確公布了新的女性客艙組員的褲裝選項但是我們可以看到在華航內部的群組裡面我想這個\n\n3\n00:00:50,712 --> 00:01:05,778\n過去你們公開的時候這個第一波的制服這個是由張淑萍來設計的我想問一下現在新增的這個褲裝還是由張淑萍設計嗎還是你們自己另外找廠商來設計跟委員報告這是我們自己設計的\n\n4\n00:01:08,427 --> 00:01:35,509\n董事長你自己會不會穿這樣的衣服出門這種是事實上我們的組員有一些反應那反應了以後我們也都做改善包括如何去選擇比方說褲裝兩套裙裝一套兩套裙裝一套褲裝這我們都綜合組員的意見我們做了一些改善那這個部分事實上是我們等於是給組員一個選擇的一個自由\n\n5\n00:01:37,745 --> 00:02:00,083\n董事長我要講的說像其實你們男裝當初當設計設計的時候就很好看了那現在女裝的部分你們重新做這個褲裝的部分我之前會提出來當然就是因為我們也是華航的這個熱愛華航的使用者嘛那當然說到很多的陳情就是說怎麼會這個服裝的色系我講色系當然色系怎麼樣當然見仁見智但以色彩來講\n\n6\n00:02:01,204 --> 00:02:10,756\n不管是男裝女裝我想因為你們代表的是我國的這個門面嘛這個國際航空公司那我們當然希望說你們設計的設計至少一體啊如果今天換成這個庫裝的部分\n\n7\n00:02:13,850 --> 00:02:36,527\n這個色彩也差了色彩跟這個設計上差蠻多我如果用以圖收圖的話我跟這個董事長跟部長部長報告一下如果你去用這個新的制服、褲裝以圖收圖收出來的大概卡通的話會像魯夫不好意思我是說真的這個以圖收圖不是我自己講的那再一半就是一些賭場的鶴館所以這部分我覺得華航作為這個\n\n8\n00:02:37,884 --> 00:02:59,045\n我們台灣最重要的國際航空其實在設計上面應該要去考量一下專業設計師的意見那跟你們這個自己組員的意見因為我看這個這邊出來之後你們內部的留言底下留言真的非常的精彩我想大家寧願寧願不穿或差別有人甚至說寧願穿男生的也不想要穿這一張我不知道董事長這個語氣有沒有掌握到\n\n9\n00:03:01,412 --> 00:03:18,439\n這個委員報告這個是因為要因應那個監察院有一個人權委員會對於這個組員的服裝的選擇我們是推出這個褲裝那當然我們的制服已經用了大概十幾年了我們準備要換下一次要換的時候我們一次再來做一個修正\n\n10\n00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:47,451\n好啦我沒有反對我說褲裝當然很好就是說進步的象徵嘛只是說這個包圍就是說未來齁他們還會再做一次的整體的服裝的這個變更啦齁那到時候也會找專業的設計師做很漂亮的這個這個設計好提醒一下啦因為畢竟齁我想各國航空公司不然河南航空也好這個越南航空也好各家許多航空公司他們都有所謂的褲裝齁但是我想色彩上面或是整個公司形式上面它是比較一致化的那我想在這一次這個事件上看起來\n\n11\n00:03:48,191 --> 00:03:52,117\n我覺得這個在設立上還是需要再進步一點好不好董事長\n\n12\n00:03:53,322 --> 00:04:18,633\n好那現在同樣針對還是針對我們航空公司的排名我想2024年全球最佳航空公司的部分我想長榮進步了一名那華航退步了三名那西宇航空也從39名進步到35名那反而是華航從去年41名退到44名那我想這個這個評鑑在業界也算是算是具有指標性指標意義的所以想問一下董事長到底覺得自己為什麼我們跟這個西宇跟長榮會有這樣落差\n\n13\n00:04:19,773 --> 00:04:48,148\n因為我個人我先講我是卡克所以我常搭華航所以我沒有搭別人所以我不知道別人怎麼樣我就覺得華航舒服但是到底發生什麼事情為什麼你們退步這麼多那個謝謝委員因為這個skytrack我們本身並沒有接受他的評鑑那這個當然他評鑑我們都尊重那最主要是這樣子我們現在目前的產品還沒有一次性也就是說那個比較老舊的機型他的那個裡面的內裝是比較差一點就是說硬體設備\n\n14\n00:04:49,309 --> 00:05:11,346\n那新的飛機呢當然都是符合標準那這個部分等到我們所有的那個老舊的機隊全部太出以後這個時候應該是我們的產品是一致性這個時候我們再來參加他的評鑑這邊跟董事長謝謝既然提到機型的問題我想我也稍微點一下就是說到底現在不管是業界或是各界都在討論一件事情就是你們接下來換的飛機\n\n15\n00:05:12,947 --> 00:05:29,766\n基本上很多是過去常常使用空巴的機隊你現在把它換成波音之後第一個問題是說這個波音這幾年的爭議相對比較多一點那再來是你們的這個飛行員訓練過去我想我有同學當飛行員他們知道每一種飛機每一架飛機尤其波音跟空巴是完全不同的系統\n\n16\n00:05:30,507 --> 00:05:49,124\n所以你們在訓練飛行員的成本上面或是在舒適度上面還有主員在這個整個客艙安排上面的確就會不一樣所以到底華航要多少比例使用波音多少比例使用這個空吧你們用怎麼樣的方式來評估還是真的是政治力介入所以你們決定要來採購波音\n\n17\n00:05:50,891 --> 00:05:59,114\n我想第一個這個政治力介入應該是沒有那我們自己在評估的時候是購機的時候我們會請那個國外的那個團隊顧問公司來幫我們評鑑幫我們評估那整個那個製造商的飛機其實嚴格講起來都是好飛機\n\n18\n00:06:08,877 --> 00:06:34,232\n那這些飛機哪些機型比較適合於我們這個是比較重要到目前為止以公司來講的話現在空吧的比例是比波音還多那其實如果是一般來講的話大概一般的航空公司大概都是5050左右所以我想我們的評估是經過專業的那個而且非常審慎的評估這邊跟委員回報好董事長謝謝我想這個不管是波音或空吧我想大家最做出的舒適度之外\n\n19\n00:06:35,413 --> 00:06:45,289\n對交通部來講或對民營代表來講最重要應該是安全啦所以這部分的話這個播映的一些爭議最近有一些新聞出來我想董事長也都有看到我們希望你們要去針對這問題來解決好不好\n\n20\n00:06:47,028 --> 00:07:11,085\n好董事長謝謝董事長可以先請回座那接下來我們談一下我們臺中國際機場的運量我想疫情之後我想這整個全臺灣的這個航空業都受到重創當然今年慢慢的有回升那我看到我們臺中國際機場的部分2019年的時候有達到282萬人次算是新高但是目前疫情過後到目前來講去年大概有回升到150萬人次但是我想這個跟\n\n21\n00:07:12,926 --> 00:07:39,449\n樂觀的本來預估要到這個230萬人次的部分好像還是有一段時間的這個出入啦那當然就整個臺中機場的目前的規劃我們看到航班的部分主要航班都是在這個香港、澳門或是這個胡志明、越南的部分等等的就是航班數它相對比較少跟疫情前來講這個航班數減得非常非常多那甚至飛行的天數今天這個\n\n22\n00:07:40,450 --> 00:08:04,671\n大家出國很清楚很明顯大家為什麼喜歡去桃園機場原因就是因為它可能航班的選擇性比較高但是在台中的話我可能有些天數根本沒有飛機可以回來沒有飛機可以出去所以整個在這個調整航班的部分的話台中機場的航段民航局這邊有沒有什麼樣規劃可以讓台中機場的這個運量能夠提升要不然按照現在這種狀況來講第一個都飛比較近的地方那第二個它的航段\n\n23\n00:08:05,751 --> 00:08:31,662\n時間點都不太好比如說這樣講好了去仁川大家很多人很多人會去韓國去採購去觀光你去仁川機場的飛機時間到那邊已經是晚上9點10點這將要出關就凌晨了嘛就深夜了嘛所以當然這個可能他的載客量他的業績就不會太好那桃機的話就不一樣他有早上的下午的晚上他都有選擇所以在台中機場的部分要怎麼樣提升我們的航段讓我們的這個這個客運量能夠提升\n\n24\n00:08:33,424 --> 00:08:46,703\n跟委員報告第一個有關剛剛提到的就是說到仁川的飛機都是晚上主要是因為現在都是這個外籍航空譬如說即將加入的真航空或者是大韓跟德威\n\n25\n00:08:47,724 --> 00:09:11,768\n這個部分因為他們飛寶級所以來的時候可能中午所以再回去的時候就會變晚上那這個部分在未來來講臺中的部分我們即將就是有這個沖繩的部分因為之前日本的部分大概也知道就是說有部分航線是飛了以後我們也積極在爭取就是成田跟名古屋也希望日本能夠盡快來達成這些都是疫情前就有的那疫情後到現在都還沒有回來\n\n26\n00:09:12,468 --> 00:09:34,380\n對所以現在日本的部分是高松還有包含這個沖繩的部分那相關的這個仁川也會即將本來都是包機那也即將會轉為定班這個也是跟韓國協商過的部分那所以說相關的整個今年來講確實是恢復到疫情前的77%那我們預估來講希望明年可以再往前大概可以到85或90\n\n27\n00:09:35,481 --> 00:09:52,233\n我要跟部長拜託啦就是說第一個是先把規劃的這個航空的期程是不是能夠把這個明確的期程提供給本席讓我們知道說到底後續航空在台中的航空這個航空站裡面到底有多少的航班可以飛那再也要提醒一下你們2040的設定的目標台中機場要達到1000萬人次\n\n28\n00:09:53,914 --> 00:10:17,715\n我想2040距離現在也沒有很遠但是要達到一千萬現在才一百多萬兩百萬這樣的人次要達到一千萬我想還要很長的距離如果航班長這樣子的話我想達到一千萬是很困難的所以航班的部分我想應該要增加吧是不是是報告委員航班跟航點的部分我們會持續來努力尤其跟我們的國際航空大家都在溝通那這個部分比較確定的這些航班我們可能再提供給委員\n\n29\n00:10:18,517 --> 00:10:24,313\n好這個部分我們來努力至少疫情前的這個航班要讓他回來吧是是不是好不好好部長局長謝謝好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n4827\t15030\t好謝謝主席主席我們先邀請這個交通部陳世凱部長陳部長民航局何局長何局長跟我們中華航空謝董事長謝董好大家好這個一開始我想先肯定一下當然這個過去有講說這個\n32481\t48903\t華航機組員、空服員可以穿褲裝液體當然現在我想公司這邊有明確進展的確公布了新的女性客艙組員的褲裝選項但是我們可以看到在華航內部的群組裡面我想這個\n50712\t65778\t過去你們公開的時候這個第一波的制服這個是由張淑萍來設計的我想問一下現在新增的這個褲裝還是由張淑萍設計嗎還是你們自己另外找廠商來設計跟委員報告這是我們自己設計的\n68427\t95509\t董事長你自己會不會穿這樣的衣服出門這種是事實上我們的組員有一些反應那反應了以後我們也都做改善包括如何去選擇比方說褲裝兩套裙裝一套兩套裙裝一套褲裝這我們都綜合組員的意見我們做了一些改善那這個部分事實上是我們等於是給組員一個選擇的一個自由\n97745\t120083\t董事長我要講的說像其實你們男裝當初當設計設計的時候就很好看了那現在女裝的部分你們重新做這個褲裝的部分我之前會提出來當然就是因為我們也是華航的這個熱愛華航的使用者嘛那當然說到很多的陳情就是說怎麼會這個服裝的色系我講色系當然色系怎麼樣當然見仁見智但以色彩來講\n121204\t130756\t不管是男裝女裝我想因為你們代表的是我國的這個門面嘛這個國際航空公司那我們當然希望說你們設計的設計至少一體啊如果今天換成這個庫裝的部分\n133850\t156527\t這個色彩也差了色彩跟這個設計上差蠻多我如果用以圖收圖的話我跟這個董事長跟部長部長報告一下如果你去用這個新的制服、褲裝以圖收圖收出來的大概卡通的話會像魯夫不好意思我是說真的這個以圖收圖不是我自己講的那再一半就是一些賭場的鶴館所以這部分我覺得華航作為這個\n157884\t179045\t我們台灣最重要的國際航空其實在設計上面應該要去考量一下專業設計師的意見那跟你們這個自己組員的意見因為我看這個這邊出來之後你們內部的留言底下留言真的非常的精彩我想大家寧願寧願不穿或差別有人甚至說寧願穿男生的也不想要穿這一張我不知道董事長這個語氣有沒有掌握到\n181412\t198439\t這個委員報告這個是因為要因應那個監察院有一個人權委員會對於這個組員的服裝的選擇我們是推出這個褲裝那當然我們的制服已經用了大概十幾年了我們準備要換下一次要換的時候我們一次再來做一個修正\n199919\t227451\t好啦我沒有反對我說褲裝當然很好就是說進步的象徵嘛只是說這個包圍就是說未來齁他們還會再做一次的整體的服裝的這個變更啦齁那到時候也會找專業的設計師做很漂亮的這個這個設計好提醒一下啦因為畢竟齁我想各國航空公司不然河南航空也好這個越南航空也好各家許多航空公司他們都有所謂的褲裝齁但是我想色彩上面或是整個公司形式上面它是比較一致化的那我想在這一次這個事件上看起來\n228191\t232117\t我覺得這個在設立上還是需要再進步一點好不好 董事長\n233322\t258633\t好那現在同樣針對還是針對我們航空公司的排名我想2024年全球最佳航空公司的部分我想長榮進步了一名那華航退步了三名那西宇航空也從39名進步到35名那反而是華航從去年41名退到44名那我想這個這個評鑑在業界也算是算是具有指標性指標意義的所以想問一下董事長到底覺得自己為什麼我們跟這個西宇跟長榮會有這樣落差\n259773\t288148\t因為我個人我先講我是卡克所以我常搭華航所以我沒有搭別人所以我不知道別人怎麼樣我就覺得華航舒服但是到底發生什麼事情為什麼你們退步這麼多那個謝謝委員因為這個sky track我們本身並沒有接受他的評鑑那這個當然他評鑑我們都尊重那最主要是這樣子我們現在目前的產品還沒有一次性也就是說那個比較老舊的機型他的那個裡面的內裝是比較差一點就是說硬體設備\n289309\t311346\t那新的飛機呢當然都是符合標準那這個部分等到我們所有的那個老舊的機隊全部太出以後這個時候應該是我們的產品是一致性這個時候我們再來參加他的評鑑這邊跟董事長謝謝既然提到機型的問題我想我也稍微點一下就是說到底現在不管是業界或是各界都在討論一件事情就是你們接下來換的飛機\n312947\t329766\t基本上很多是過去常常使用空巴的機隊你現在把它換成波音之後第一個問題是說這個波音這幾年的爭議相對比較多一點那再來是你們的這個飛行員訓練過去我想我有同學當飛行員他們知道每一種飛機每一架飛機尤其波音跟空巴是完全不同的系統\n330507\t349124\t所以你們在訓練飛行員的成本上面或是在舒適度上面還有主員在這個整個客艙安排上面的確就會不一樣所以到底華航要多少比例使用波音多少比例使用這個空吧你們用怎麼樣的方式來評估還是真的是政治力介入所以你們決定要來採購波音\n350891\t359114\t我想第一個這個政治力介入應該是沒有那我們自己在評估的時候是購機的時候我們會請那個國外的那個團隊顧問公司來幫我們評鑑幫我們評估那整個那個製造商的飛機其實嚴格講起來都是好飛機\n368877\t394232\t那這些飛機哪些機型比較適合於我們這個是比較重要到目前為止以公司來講的話現在空吧的比例是比波音還多那其實如果是一般來講的話大概一般的航空公司大概都是50 50左右所以我想我們的評估是經過專業的那個而且非常審慎的評估這邊跟委員回報好董事長謝謝我想這個不管是波音或空吧我想大家最做出的舒適度之外\n395413\t405289\t對交通部來講或對民營代表來講最重要應該是安全啦所以這部分的話這個播映的一些爭議最近有一些新聞出來我想董事長也都有看到我們希望你們要去針對這問題來解決好不好\n407028\t431085\t好董事長謝謝董事長可以先請回座那接下來我們談一下我們臺中國際機場的運量我想疫情之後我想這整個全臺灣的這個航空業都受到重創當然今年慢慢的有回升那我看到我們臺中國際機場的部分2019年的時候有達到282萬人次算是新高但是目前疫情過後到目前來講去年大概有回升到150萬人次但是我想這個跟\n432926\t459449\t樂觀的本來預估要到這個230萬人次的部分好像還是有一段時間的這個出入啦那當然就整個臺中機場的目前的規劃我們看到航班的部分主要航班都是在這個香港、澳門或是這個胡志明、越南的部分等等的就是航班數它相對比較少跟疫情前來講這個航班數減得非常非常多那甚至飛行的天數今天這個\n460450\t484671\t大家出國很清楚很明顯大家為什麼喜歡去桃園機場原因就是因為它可能航班的選擇性比較高但是在台中的話我可能有些天數根本沒有飛機可以回來沒有飛機可以出去所以整個在這個調整航班的部分的話台中機場的航段民航局這邊有沒有什麼樣規劃可以讓台中機場的這個運量能夠提升要不然按照現在這種狀況來講第一個都飛比較近的地方那第二個它的航段\n485751\t511662\t時間點都不太好比如說這樣講好了去仁川大家很多人很多人會去韓國去採購去觀光你去仁川機場的飛機時間到那邊已經是晚上9點10點這將要出關就凌晨了嘛就深夜了嘛所以當然這個可能他的載客量他的業績就不會太好那桃機的話就不一樣他有早上的下午的晚上他都有選擇所以在台中機場的部分要怎麼樣提升我們的航段讓我們的這個這個客運量能夠提升\n513424\t526703\t跟委員報告第一個有關剛剛提到的就是說到仁川的飛機都是晚上主要是因為現在都是這個外籍航空譬如說即將加入的真航空或者是大韓跟德威\n527724\t551768\t這個部分因為他們飛寶級所以來的時候可能中午所以再回去的時候就會變晚上那這個部分在未來來講臺中的部分我們即將就是有這個沖繩的部分因為之前日本的部分大概也知道就是說有部分航線是飛了以後我們也積極在爭取就是成田跟名古屋也希望日本能夠盡快來達成這些都是疫情前就有的那疫情後到現在都還沒有回來\n552468\t574380\t對所以現在日本的部分是高松還有包含這個沖繩的部分那相關的這個仁川也會即將本來都是包機那也即將會轉為定班這個也是跟韓國協商過的部分那所以說相關的整個今年來講確實是恢復到疫情前的77%那我們預估來講希望明年可以再往前大概可以到85或90\n575481\t592233\t我要跟部長拜託啦就是說第一個是先把規劃的這個航空的期程是不是能夠把這個明確的期程提供給本席讓我們知道說到底後續航空在台中的航空這個航空站裡面到底有多少的航班可以飛那再也要提醒一下你們2040的設定的目標台中機場要達到1000萬人次\n593914\t617715\t我想2040距離現在也沒有很遠但是要達到一千萬現在才一百多萬兩百萬這樣的人次要達到一千萬我想還要很長的距離如果航班長這樣子的話我想達到一千萬是很困難的所以航班的部分我想應該要增加吧 是不是是 報告委員航班跟航點的部分我們會持續來努力尤其跟我們的國際航空大家都在溝通那這個部分比較確定的這些航班我們可能再提供給委員\n618517\t624313\t好 這個部分我們來努力至少疫情前的這個航班要讓他回來吧是 是不是 好不好好 部長 局長 謝謝好 謝謝委員\n","txt":"好謝謝主席主席我們先邀請這個交通部陳世凱部長陳部長民航局何局長何局長跟我們中華航空謝董事長謝董好大家好這個一開始我想先肯定一下當然這個過去有講說這個\n華航機組員、空服員可以穿褲裝液體當然現在我想公司這邊有明確進展的確公布了新的女性客艙組員的褲裝選項但是我們可以看到在華航內部的群組裡面我想這個\n過去你們公開的時候這個第一波的制服這個是由張淑萍來設計的我想問一下現在新增的這個褲裝還是由張淑萍設計嗎還是你們自己另外找廠商來設計跟委員報告這是我們自己設計的\n董事長你自己會不會穿這樣的衣服出門這種是事實上我們的組員有一些反應那反應了以後我們也都做改善包括如何去選擇比方說褲裝兩套裙裝一套兩套裙裝一套褲裝這我們都綜合組員的意見我們做了一些改善那這個部分事實上是我們等於是給組員一個選擇的一個自由\n董事長我要講的說像其實你們男裝當初當設計設計的時候就很好看了那現在女裝的部分你們重新做這個褲裝的部分我之前會提出來當然就是因為我們也是華航的這個熱愛華航的使用者嘛那當然說到很多的陳情就是說怎麼會這個服裝的色系我講色系當然色系怎麼樣當然見仁見智但以色彩來講\n不管是男裝女裝我想因為你們代表的是我國的這個門面嘛這個國際航空公司那我們當然希望說你們設計的設計至少一體啊如果今天換成這個庫裝的部分\n這個色彩也差了色彩跟這個設計上差蠻多我如果用以圖收圖的話我跟這個董事長跟部長部長報告一下如果你去用這個新的制服、褲裝以圖收圖收出來的大概卡通的話會像魯夫不好意思我是說真的這個以圖收圖不是我自己講的那再一半就是一些賭場的鶴館所以這部分我覺得華航作為這個\n我們台灣最重要的國際航空其實在設計上面應該要去考量一下專業設計師的意見那跟你們這個自己組員的意見因為我看這個這邊出來之後你們內部的留言底下留言真的非常的精彩我想大家寧願寧願不穿或差別有人甚至說寧願穿男生的也不想要穿這一張我不知道董事長這個語氣有沒有掌握到\n這個委員報告這個是因為要因應那個監察院有一個人權委員會對於這個組員的服裝的選擇我們是推出這個褲裝那當然我們的制服已經用了大概十幾年了我們準備要換下一次要換的時候我們一次再來做一個修正\n好啦我沒有反對我說褲裝當然很好就是說進步的象徵嘛只是說這個包圍就是說未來齁他們還會再做一次的整體的服裝的這個變更啦齁那到時候也會找專業的設計師做很漂亮的這個這個設計好提醒一下啦因為畢竟齁我想各國航空公司不然河南航空也好這個越南航空也好各家許多航空公司他們都有所謂的褲裝齁但是我想色彩上面或是整個公司形式上面它是比較一致化的那我想在這一次這個事件上看起來\n我覺得這個在設立上還是需要再進步一點好不好 董事長\n好那現在同樣針對還是針對我們航空公司的排名我想2024年全球最佳航空公司的部分我想長榮進步了一名那華航退步了三名那西宇航空也從39名進步到35名那反而是華航從去年41名退到44名那我想這個這個評鑑在業界也算是算是具有指標性指標意義的所以想問一下董事長到底覺得自己為什麼我們跟這個西宇跟長榮會有這樣落差\n因為我個人我先講我是卡克所以我常搭華航所以我沒有搭別人所以我不知道別人怎麼樣我就覺得華航舒服但是到底發生什麼事情為什麼你們退步這麼多那個謝謝委員因為這個sky track我們本身並沒有接受他的評鑑那這個當然他評鑑我們都尊重那最主要是這樣子我們現在目前的產品還沒有一次性也就是說那個比較老舊的機型他的那個裡面的內裝是比較差一點就是說硬體設備\n那新的飛機呢當然都是符合標準那這個部分等到我們所有的那個老舊的機隊全部太出以後這個時候應該是我們的產品是一致性這個時候我們再來參加他的評鑑這邊跟董事長謝謝既然提到機型的問題我想我也稍微點一下就是說到底現在不管是業界或是各界都在討論一件事情就是你們接下來換的飛機\n基本上很多是過去常常使用空巴的機隊你現在把它換成波音之後第一個問題是說這個波音這幾年的爭議相對比較多一點那再來是你們的這個飛行員訓練過去我想我有同學當飛行員他們知道每一種飛機每一架飛機尤其波音跟空巴是完全不同的系統\n所以你們在訓練飛行員的成本上面或是在舒適度上面還有主員在這個整個客艙安排上面的確就會不一樣所以到底華航要多少比例使用波音多少比例使用這個空吧你們用怎麼樣的方式來評估還是真的是政治力介入所以你們決定要來採購波音\n我想第一個這個政治力介入應該是沒有那我們自己在評估的時候是購機的時候我們會請那個國外的那個團隊顧問公司來幫我們評鑑幫我們評估那整個那個製造商的飛機其實嚴格講起來都是好飛機\n那這些飛機哪些機型比較適合於我們這個是比較重要到目前為止以公司來講的話現在空吧的比例是比波音還多那其實如果是一般來講的話大概一般的航空公司大概都是50 50左右所以我想我們的評估是經過專業的那個而且非常審慎的評估這邊跟委員回報好董事長謝謝我想這個不管是波音或空吧我想大家最做出的舒適度之外\n對交通部來講或對民營代表來講最重要應該是安全啦所以這部分的話這個播映的一些爭議最近有一些新聞出來我想董事長也都有看到我們希望你們要去針對這問題來解決好不好\n好董事長謝謝董事長可以先請回座那接下來我們談一下我們臺中國際機場的運量我想疫情之後我想這整個全臺灣的這個航空業都受到重創當然今年慢慢的有回升那我看到我們臺中國際機場的部分2019年的時候有達到282萬人次算是新高但是目前疫情過後到目前來講去年大概有回升到150萬人次但是我想這個跟\n樂觀的本來預估要到這個230萬人次的部分好像還是有一段時間的這個出入啦那當然就整個臺中機場的目前的規劃我們看到航班的部分主要航班都是在這個香港、澳門或是這個胡志明、越南的部分等等的就是航班數它相對比較少跟疫情前來講這個航班數減得非常非常多那甚至飛行的天數今天這個\n大家出國很清楚很明顯大家為什麼喜歡去桃園機場原因就是因為它可能航班的選擇性比較高但是在台中的話我可能有些天數根本沒有飛機可以回來沒有飛機可以出去所以整個在這個調整航班的部分的話台中機場的航段民航局這邊有沒有什麼樣規劃可以讓台中機場的這個運量能夠提升要不然按照現在這種狀況來講第一個都飛比較近的地方那第二個它的航段\n時間點都不太好比如說這樣講好了去仁川大家很多人很多人會去韓國去採購去觀光你去仁川機場的飛機時間到那邊已經是晚上9點10點這將要出關就凌晨了嘛就深夜了嘛所以當然這個可能他的載客量他的業績就不會太好那桃機的話就不一樣他有早上的下午的晚上他都有選擇所以在台中機場的部分要怎麼樣提升我們的航段讓我們的這個這個客運量能夠提升\n跟委員報告第一個有關剛剛提到的就是說到仁川的飛機都是晚上主要是因為現在都是這個外籍航空譬如說即將加入的真航空或者是大韓跟德威\n這個部分因為他們飛寶級所以來的時候可能中午所以再回去的時候就會變晚上那這個部分在未來來講臺中的部分我們即將就是有這個沖繩的部分因為之前日本的部分大概也知道就是說有部分航線是飛了以後我們也積極在爭取就是成田跟名古屋也希望日本能夠盡快來達成這些都是疫情前就有的那疫情後到現在都還沒有回來\n對所以現在日本的部分是高松還有包含這個沖繩的部分那相關的這個仁川也會即將本來都是包機那也即將會轉為定班這個也是跟韓國協商過的部分那所以說相關的整個今年來講確實是恢復到疫情前的77%那我們預估來講希望明年可以再往前大概可以到85或90\n我要跟部長拜託啦就是說第一個是先把規劃的這個航空的期程是不是能夠把這個明確的期程提供給本席讓我們知道說到底後續航空在台中的航空這個航空站裡面到底有多少的航班可以飛那再也要提醒一下你們2040的設定的目標台中機場要達到1000萬人次\n我想2040距離現在也沒有很遠但是要達到一千萬現在才一百多萬兩百萬這樣的人次要達到一千萬我想還要很長的距離如果航班長這樣子的話我想達到一千萬是很困難的所以航班的部分我想應該要增加吧 是不是是 報告委員航班跟航點的部分我們會持續來努力尤其跟我們的國際航空大家都在溝通那這個部分比較確定的這些航班我們可能再提供給委員\n好 這個部分我們來努力至少疫情前的這個航班要讓他回來吧是 是不是 好不好好 部長 局長 謝謝好 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:04.827 --> 00:15.030\n好謝謝主席主席我們先邀請這個交通部陳世凱部長陳部長民航局何局長何局長跟我們中華航空謝董事長謝董好大家好這個一開始我想先肯定一下當然這個過去有講說這個\n\n00:32.481 --> 00:48.903\n華航機組員、空服員可以穿褲裝液體當然現在我想公司這邊有明確進展的確公布了新的女性客艙組員的褲裝選項但是我們可以看到在華航內部的群組裡面我想這個\n\n00:50.712 --> 01:05.778\n過去你們公開的時候這個第一波的制服這個是由張淑萍來設計的我想問一下現在新增的這個褲裝還是由張淑萍設計嗎還是你們自己另外找廠商來設計跟委員報告這是我們自己設計的\n\n01:08.427 --> 01:35.509\n董事長你自己會不會穿這樣的衣服出門這種是事實上我們的組員有一些反應那反應了以後我們也都做改善包括如何去選擇比方說褲裝兩套裙裝一套兩套裙裝一套褲裝這我們都綜合組員的意見我們做了一些改善那這個部分事實上是我們等於是給組員一個選擇的一個自由\n\n01:37.745 --> 02:00.083\n董事長我要講的說像其實你們男裝當初當設計設計的時候就很好看了那現在女裝的部分你們重新做這個褲裝的部分我之前會提出來當然就是因為我們也是華航的這個熱愛華航的使用者嘛那當然說到很多的陳情就是說怎麼會這個服裝的色系我講色系當然色系怎麼樣當然見仁見智但以色彩來講\n\n02:01.204 --> 02:10.756\n不管是男裝女裝我想因為你們代表的是我國的這個門面嘛這個國際航空公司那我們當然希望說你們設計的設計至少一體啊如果今天換成這個庫裝的部分\n\n02:13.850 --> 02:36.527\n這個色彩也差了色彩跟這個設計上差蠻多我如果用以圖收圖的話我跟這個董事長跟部長部長報告一下如果你去用這個新的制服、褲裝以圖收圖收出來的大概卡通的話會像魯夫不好意思我是說真的這個以圖收圖不是我自己講的那再一半就是一些賭場的鶴館所以這部分我覺得華航作為這個\n\n02:37.884 --> 02:59.045\n我們台灣最重要的國際航空其實在設計上面應該要去考量一下專業設計師的意見那跟你們這個自己組員的意見因為我看這個這邊出來之後你們內部的留言底下留言真的非常的精彩我想大家寧願寧願不穿或差別有人甚至說寧願穿男生的也不想要穿這一張我不知道董事長這個語氣有沒有掌握到\n\n03:01.412 --> 03:18.439\n這個委員報告這個是因為要因應那個監察院有一個人權委員會對於這個組員的服裝的選擇我們是推出這個褲裝那當然我們的制服已經用了大概十幾年了我們準備要換下一次要換的時候我們一次再來做一個修正\n\n03:19.919 --> 03:47.451\n好啦我沒有反對我說褲裝當然很好就是說進步的象徵嘛只是說這個包圍就是說未來齁他們還會再做一次的整體的服裝的這個變更啦齁那到時候也會找專業的設計師做很漂亮的這個這個設計好提醒一下啦因為畢竟齁我想各國航空公司不然河南航空也好這個越南航空也好各家許多航空公司他們都有所謂的褲裝齁但是我想色彩上面或是整個公司形式上面它是比較一致化的那我想在這一次這個事件上看起來\n\n03:48.191 --> 03:52.117\n我覺得這個在設立上還是需要再進步一點好不好董事長\n\n03:53.322 --> 04:18.633\n好那現在同樣針對還是針對我們航空公司的排名我想2024年全球最佳航空公司的部分我想長榮進步了一名那華航退步了三名那西宇航空也從39名進步到35名那反而是華航從去年41名退到44名那我想這個這個評鑑在業界也算是算是具有指標性指標意義的所以想問一下董事長到底覺得自己為什麼我們跟這個西宇跟長榮會有這樣落差\n\n04:19.773 --> 04:48.148\n因為我個人我先講我是卡克所以我常搭華航所以我沒有搭別人所以我不知道別人怎麼樣我就覺得華航舒服但是到底發生什麼事情為什麼你們退步這麼多那個謝謝委員因為這個skytrack我們本身並沒有接受他的評鑑那這個當然他評鑑我們都尊重那最主要是這樣子我們現在目前的產品還沒有一次性也就是說那個比較老舊的機型他的那個裡面的內裝是比較差一點就是說硬體設備\n\n04:49.309 --> 05:11.346\n那新的飛機呢當然都是符合標準那這個部分等到我們所有的那個老舊的機隊全部太出以後這個時候應該是我們的產品是一致性這個時候我們再來參加他的評鑑這邊跟董事長謝謝既然提到機型的問題我想我也稍微點一下就是說到底現在不管是業界或是各界都在討論一件事情就是你們接下來換的飛機\n\n05:12.947 --> 05:29.766\n基本上很多是過去常常使用空巴的機隊你現在把它換成波音之後第一個問題是說這個波音這幾年的爭議相對比較多一點那再來是你們的這個飛行員訓練過去我想我有同學當飛行員他們知道每一種飛機每一架飛機尤其波音跟空巴是完全不同的系統\n\n05:30.507 --> 05:49.124\n所以你們在訓練飛行員的成本上面或是在舒適度上面還有主員在這個整個客艙安排上面的確就會不一樣所以到底華航要多少比例使用波音多少比例使用這個空吧你們用怎麼樣的方式來評估還是真的是政治力介入所以你們決定要來採購波音\n\n05:50.891 --> 05:59.114\n我想第一個這個政治力介入應該是沒有那我們自己在評估的時候是購機的時候我們會請那個國外的那個團隊顧問公司來幫我們評鑑幫我們評估那整個那個製造商的飛機其實嚴格講起來都是好飛機\n\n06:08.877 --> 06:34.232\n那這些飛機哪些機型比較適合於我們這個是比較重要到目前為止以公司來講的話現在空吧的比例是比波音還多那其實如果是一般來講的話大概一般的航空公司大概都是5050左右所以我想我們的評估是經過專業的那個而且非常審慎的評估這邊跟委員回報好董事長謝謝我想這個不管是波音或空吧我想大家最做出的舒適度之外\n\n06:35.413 --> 06:45.289\n對交通部來講或對民營代表來講最重要應該是安全啦所以這部分的話這個播映的一些爭議最近有一些新聞出來我想董事長也都有看到我們希望你們要去針對這問題來解決好不好\n\n06:47.028 --> 07:11.085\n好董事長謝謝董事長可以先請回座那接下來我們談一下我們臺中國際機場的運量我想疫情之後我想這整個全臺灣的這個航空業都受到重創當然今年慢慢的有回升那我看到我們臺中國際機場的部分2019年的時候有達到282萬人次算是新高但是目前疫情過後到目前來講去年大概有回升到150萬人次但是我想這個跟\n\n07:12.926 --> 07:39.449\n樂觀的本來預估要到這個230萬人次的部分好像還是有一段時間的這個出入啦那當然就整個臺中機場的目前的規劃我們看到航班的部分主要航班都是在這個香港、澳門或是這個胡志明、越南的部分等等的就是航班數它相對比較少跟疫情前來講這個航班數減得非常非常多那甚至飛行的天數今天這個\n\n07:40.450 --> 08:04.671\n大家出國很清楚很明顯大家為什麼喜歡去桃園機場原因就是因為它可能航班的選擇性比較高但是在台中的話我可能有些天數根本沒有飛機可以回來沒有飛機可以出去所以整個在這個調整航班的部分的話台中機場的航段民航局這邊有沒有什麼樣規劃可以讓台中機場的這個運量能夠提升要不然按照現在這種狀況來講第一個都飛比較近的地方那第二個它的航段\n\n08:05.751 --> 08:31.662\n時間點都不太好比如說這樣講好了去仁川大家很多人很多人會去韓國去採購去觀光你去仁川機場的飛機時間到那邊已經是晚上9點10點這將要出關就凌晨了嘛就深夜了嘛所以當然這個可能他的載客量他的業績就不會太好那桃機的話就不一樣他有早上的下午的晚上他都有選擇所以在台中機場的部分要怎麼樣提升我們的航段讓我們的這個這個客運量能夠提升\n\n08:33.424 --> 08:46.703\n跟委員報告第一個有關剛剛提到的就是說到仁川的飛機都是晚上主要是因為現在都是這個外籍航空譬如說即將加入的真航空或者是大韓跟德威\n\n08:47.724 --> 09:11.768\n這個部分因為他們飛寶級所以來的時候可能中午所以再回去的時候就會變晚上那這個部分在未來來講臺中的部分我們即將就是有這個沖繩的部分因為之前日本的部分大概也知道就是說有部分航線是飛了以後我們也積極在爭取就是成田跟名古屋也希望日本能夠盡快來達成這些都是疫情前就有的那疫情後到現在都還沒有回來\n\n09:12.468 --> 09:34.380\n對所以現在日本的部分是高松還有包含這個沖繩的部分那相關的這個仁川也會即將本來都是包機那也即將會轉為定班這個也是跟韓國協商過的部分那所以說相關的整個今年來講確實是恢復到疫情前的77%那我們預估來講希望明年可以再往前大概可以到85或90\n\n09:35.481 --> 09:52.233\n我要跟部長拜託啦就是說第一個是先把規劃的這個航空的期程是不是能夠把這個明確的期程提供給本席讓我們知道說到底後續航空在台中的航空這個航空站裡面到底有多少的航班可以飛那再也要提醒一下你們2040的設定的目標台中機場要達到1000萬人次\n\n09:53.914 --> 10:17.715\n我想2040距離現在也沒有很遠但是要達到一千萬現在才一百多萬兩百萬這樣的人次要達到一千萬我想還要很長的距離如果航班長這樣子的話我想達到一千萬是很困難的所以航班的部分我想應該要增加吧是不是是報告委員航班跟航點的部分我們會持續來努力尤其跟我們的國際航空大家都在溝通那這個部分比較確定的這些航班我們可能再提供給委員\n\n10:18.517 --> 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