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00:01:02,343\n三個隊伍各分配到12個商務艙其他是由這個豪津艙或是經濟艙來這個座位那去的時候有安排回程WBSC沒有安排他僅僅協助一般的這個機票的處理那也特別謝謝蔡奇昌會長全力的奔走謝謝交通部還有華航的全力的這樣的一個協助那我請問一下謝董事長\n\n4\n00:01:03,923 --> 00:01:28,329\n來,我們這次的飛機是波音777應該吧?是吧?沒錯來,那我請教部長我們這一次除了隊員之外那隊員的家屬呢?是否也包含在裡面?報告委員這一次他們回程的部分我們華航真的謝董非常幫忙派出777之外那我們的這個商務艙的部分可以擴增到讓球員可以坐到28席\n\n5\n00:01:28,829 --> 00:01:45,585\n那另外委員一直在關心的就是他們的家屬包含我們隨隊的這些員工還有就是記者的部分可不可以都包含在裡面嗎對可不可以同一班飛機我們這個部分我們讓他同一班飛機華航原則上是OK的是可以做到的謝謝華航這次全力的協助那我現在要\n\n6\n00:01:46,506 --> 00:02:00,875\n請教一下部長還有機場公司就是我們交通部應該要落實身心障礙者的這個權益的保障那不管是聯合國的CRPD就是身心障礙者權利公約在2006年就已經起草\n\n7\n00:02:02,156 --> 00:02:27,689\n那我們身心障礙者的權益保障法在1980年它的名稱叫殘障福利法2007年修法改名正名為身心障礙者的權益保障法那身心障礙者權益保障法它有兩個重要的意義第一個就是保障身心障礙者的權益第二就是避免他們遭受到歧視或者是不公平的這個一個對待那我們來看這個\n\n8\n00:02:30,416 --> 00:02:57,188\n身心障礙者權益保障法第38條它也有明武規定就是說公部門及公務機關必須員工總人數在34人以上者禁用具有就業能力之身心障礙者人數不得低於員工總人數的3%那我們來看接下來兩張的相片部長我請教你你覺得哪裡有什麼問題\n\n9\n00:02:59,027 --> 00:03:04,419\n這是桃園機場公司的招聘公告那你覺得在裡面來第二張\n\n10\n00:03:06,090 --> 00:03:34,044\n你覺得有什麼問題報告委員身心障礙的數量或許有達到剛剛您所說的那個3%的這個標準但是我們是不是不要把它限定在只有行政類的這個管理類的這個部分會不會值等太低啦應該是所有要開放是不是身心障礙者權益的保障不是只有這個原來的一個問題而是在於我們依照\n\n11\n00:03:35,458 --> 00:03:52,811\n多個國際人權組織他們相關的所提出的這種間接歧視的一個定義就是說雖然法律政策或是規範的內容以中性的表達方法呈現但是卻造成特定團體處於不對等的一個劣勢\n\n12\n00:03:56,531 --> 00:04:16,310\n我們對於這樣的一個相關職位的這樣的一個禁用我認為第一個我們要落實對身心障礙者權利的保障第一個是每個職位身障者都有權利去爭取沒錯而不是限定說只能擔任某個特定工作\n\n13\n00:04:16,710 --> 00:04:40,339\n只有限定在行政管理只是第二個為了保障鼓勵身障者擔任某些工作的這個權利其實是可以在某些領域來進行加分是這個才是更進一步具體的這樣的一個對身心障礙者的保障我要提醒楊董事長逃機是跟國際接軌重要的國家門面那出現這一種\n\n14\n00:04:42,460 --> 00:05:06,471\n隔離政策的這樣的一個歧視的行為我認為是真的要深自檢討那1950年代美國就提出這種隔離就是歧視的概念許多判決都明確的指出雖然做一樣的事雖然做一樣的事但是出現區隔這就是歧視的行為你們在你們的招募的這個\n\n15\n00:05:11,257 --> 00:05:24,905\n公告裡面然後說這個是身心障礙者的這個爭取的職位這就是一種堅革的歧視這就是一種隔離那我要提醒陶器必須要立即的改善\n\n16\n00:05:26,431 --> 00:05:41,303\n第二交通部等下再統一說明交通部跟本部所轄的所有機關也要全面的檢視有沒有這樣的狀況公部門你沒有主動去保障身心障礙者尊嚴跟權益我們怎麼去要求民間來楊董事長說明一下\n\n17\n00:05:43,904 --> 00:06:07,855\n謝謝委員的這個提醒這個公告內容我們表達的不夠清楚我們所寫的保障的那個科系的就那個專長的部分是最競爭最激烈的專長就是一般行政的部分所以我們用保障那個一般行政的禁用的員額裡面有申請障礙人數那其他的都還是一樣跟平常的情況是一樣的\n\n18\n00:06:08,695 --> 00:06:14,367\n我們會做一個比較補充的報告在那個招生的這個這個要前逃改進我接下來請教一下民航局\n\n19\n00:06:18,302 --> 00:06:39,213\n我們當然對於飛安的改革在2015年復興航空的空難之後我們不管是飛安的系統他的安全系統或是他的這個一個操作的流程或是起降的流程有更多的這樣不管是美航局或是民間的業者都有很加強這方面的相關的改革\n\n20\n00:06:40,093 --> 00:07:00,402\n我們看到民航局的統計我們渦輪、螺旋機、飛機全毀失事率從2016年到現在是0直升機全毀的事故率2017年到現在是0要繼續的保持下去當然國際的有它的一些失事率其實都是像渦輪是高達1.21\n\n21\n00:07:04,324 --> 00:07:13,242\n2016年是平均從0.98上升到現在的1.21這個是我們要必須保持我們好的這個飛安但是我們還是有隱憂\n\n22\n00:07:15,387 --> 00:07:31,650\n我們民航局在2023年發生的事件重大的飛航事故造成兩人死亡這個局長應該都很清楚那雲南會有做統計近10年來飛航事故的因素跟人相關的佔了66.7與環境相關的佔了48.5與航空器相關的佔了24.2\n\n23\n00:07:40,356 --> 00:08:00,988\n來局長我們航空器如果發生這種航空器的緊急逃生它是運輸工具裡面最難的安全是不可忽視的那我們針對與人相關、環境相關與航空器相關局長我們有沒有具體的改善跟要求的措施來說明一下\n\n24\n00:08:02,509 --> 00:08:23,794\n有關跟人相關的部分就是剛剛報告也有提到的就是第一個就是操作的一個遵守這個操作手冊的部分標準作業程序的部分那第二個就是公司應該對相關的人員給予足夠的相關的資訊也好訓練也好包含相關供他們做在操作過程中所需要具備的一個專業\n\n25\n00:08:24,814 --> 00:08:41,565\n那我想這個是人的部分我們要去做一個更完善因為人的部分其實所有的事件發生一定都跟人有關因為這個人在操作所以這個部分是我們長年以來一直在追求的部分就是希望在人的造成的因素的部分來降低\n\n26\n00:08:42,363 --> 00:09:08,599\n好局長你也提到人的因素我們來看看我們相關飛航的安全業務的檢查人力其實是缺乏的而且是心血不足那從運安會的報告我們可以得知人員的狀況及這種導航的因素是我國飛航事故的主要原因我們民航安全業務各類檢查員的年齡分佈他平均年齡是54歲\n\n27\n00:09:10,300 --> 00:09:28,734\n其實是有點偏高了另外更重要飛航管制員的員額統計我們編制員額是589人那預算的員額有480人那現有員額是385人我要提醒局長值班時數平均是將近200個小時遠超過國際的平均120小時這種\n\n28\n00:09:36,487 --> 00:09:55,920\n非常安全的檢察員或者是管制員他跟飛安關係是最為密切的那我們看到人力不足超時工作或是造成這種過度的頻繁是會嚴重的影響飛安我必須很嚴格的提醒局長我們民航局有掌握這種狀況嗎有沒有什麼改善的措施\n\n29\n00:09:56,560 --> 00:10:16,594\n跟委員報告第一類就是這個非安檢察員的部分因為我們要求的航機務相關的檢察員都要在基本上有一個資格條件就是在業界應該有相關的飛航時數或者是經驗年資所以在這個部分他進來的時候其實已經有相當的一個時間所以進來的時候大概應該都是40幾歲以上\n\n30\n00:10:18,115 --> 00:10:39,270\n那在進來之後呢因為我們有採兩種一個是約聘或公務員那報考公務員的部分就是我們知道他其實他的專業跟一般是不一樣所以我們特別去設了民航特考的類科供這一些人報考那第二個就是約聘的部分我們就盡量招聘不過近年來尤其疫情過後其實是比較嚴格的局長我清楚了所以我講\n\n31\n00:10:40,431 --> 00:11:05,703\n跟你講重點就是說我們的值班時數都將近200個小時遠遠超過國際平均的120小時管制員的部分我們是行政院有給我們員額163分5年合撥那5年進來後期因為他訓練招考大概要11個月的時間才能上線所以陸續目前今年也會再招考31個就是說每一年30個5年從110年到115年\n\n32\n00:11:08,484 --> 00:11:29,879\n加強飛安好不好加強飛安那從2015年復興航空空難當時我還代表家屬跟復興航空談判相關的這個賠償事宜這個是永久的傷痛我們不希望再發生這樣的事情所以我們對飛安必須要嚴格的要求以上請部長嚴格的督促好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n2260\t12759\t謝謝魯明哲召委請一下陳部長陳部長還有華航謝董事長謝董機場公司楊董事長楊董事長民防局何局長何局長\n14802\t34244\t來部長這次我們的棒球隊前進東京這是國人最振奮的一件事情那當然要去到東京的這個去程是由WBSC就是世界棒壘球總會他們的安排包括我們臺灣、日本還有澳洲\n35891\t62343\t三個隊伍各分配到12個商務艙其他是由這個豪津艙或是經濟艙來這個座位那去的時候有安排回程WBSC沒有安排他僅僅協助一般的這個機票的處理那也特別謝謝蔡奇昌會長全力的奔走謝謝交通部還有華航的全力的這樣的一個協助那我請問一下謝董事長\n63923\t88329\t來,我們這次的飛機是波音777應該吧?是吧?沒錯來,那我請教部長我們這一次除了隊員之外那隊員的家屬呢?是否也包含在裡面?報告委員這一次他們回程的部分我們華航真的謝董非常幫忙派出777之外那我們的這個商務艙的部分可以擴增到讓球員可以坐到28席\n88829\t105585\t那另外委員一直在關心的就是他們的家屬包含我們隨隊的這些員工還有就是記者的部分可不可以都包含在裡面嗎對可不可以同一班飛機我們這個部分我們讓他同一班飛機華航原則上是OK的是可以做到的謝謝華航這次全力的協助那我現在要\n106506\t120875\t請教一下部長還有機場公司就是我們交通部應該要落實身心障礙者的這個權益的保障那不管是聯合國的CRPD就是身心障礙者權利公約在2006年就已經起草\n122156\t147689\t那我們身心障礙者的權益保障法在1980年它的名稱叫殘障福利法2007年修法改名正名為身心障礙者的權益保障法那身心障礙者權益保障法它有兩個重要的意義第一個就是保障身心障礙者的權益第二就是避免他們遭受到歧視或者是不公平的這個一個對待那我們來看這個\n150416\t177188\t身心障礙者權益保障法第38條它也有明武規定就是說公部門及公務機關必須員工總人數在34人以上者禁用具有就業能力之身心障礙者人數不得低於員工總人數的3%那我們來看接下來兩張的相片部長我請教你你覺得哪裡有什麼問題\n179027\t184419\t這是桃園機場公司的招聘公告那你覺得在裡面來第二張\n186090\t214044\t你覺得有什麼問題報告委員身心障礙的數量或許有達到剛剛您所說的那個3%的這個標準但是我們是不是不要把它限定在只有行政類的這個管理類的這個部分會不會值等太低啦應該是所有要開放是不是身心障礙者權益的保障不是只有這個原來的一個問題而是在於我們依照\n215458\t232811\t多個國際人權組織他們相關的所提出的這種間接歧視的一個定義就是說雖然法律政策或是規範的內容以中性的表達方法呈現但是卻造成特定團體處於不對等的一個劣勢\n236531\t256310\t我們對於這樣的一個相關職位的這樣的一個禁用我認為第一個我們要落實對身心障礙者權利的保障第一個是每個職位身障者都有權利去爭取沒錯而不是限定說只能擔任某個特定工作\n256710\t280339\t只有限定在行政管理只是第二個為了保障鼓勵身障者擔任某些工作的這個權利其實是可以在某些領域來進行加分是這個才是更進一步具體的這樣的一個對身心障礙者的保障我要提醒楊董事長逃機是跟國際接軌重要的國家門面那出現這一種\n282460\t306471\t隔離政策的這樣的一個歧視的行為我認為是真的要深自檢討那1950年代美國就提出這種隔離就是歧視的概念許多判決都明確的指出雖然做一樣的事雖然做一樣的事但是出現區隔這就是歧視的行為你們在你們的招募的這個\n311257\t324905\t公告裡面然後說這個是身心障礙者的這個爭取的職位這就是一種堅革的歧視這就是一種隔離那我要提醒陶器必須要立即的改善\n326431\t341303\t第二交通部等下再統一說明交通部跟本部所轄的所有機關也要全面的檢視有沒有這樣的狀況公部門你沒有主動去保障身心障礙者尊嚴跟權益我們怎麼去要求民間來楊董事長說明一下\n343904\t367855\t謝謝委員的這個提醒這個公告內容我們表達的不夠清楚我們所寫的保障的那個科系的就那個專長的部分是最競爭最激烈的專長就是一般行政的部分所以我們用保障那個一般行政的禁用的員額裡面有申請障礙人數那其他的都還是一樣跟平常的情況是一樣的\n368695\t374367\t我們會做一個比較補充的報告在那個招生的這個這個要前逃改進我接下來請教一下民航局\n378302\t399213\t我們當然對於飛安的改革在2015年復興航空的空難之後我們不管是飛安的系統他的安全系統或是他的這個一個操作的流程或是起降的流程有更多的這樣不管是美航局或是民間的業者都有很加強這方面的相關的改革\n400093\t420402\t我們看到民航局的統計我們渦輪、螺旋機、飛機全毀失事率從2016年到現在是0直升機全毀的事故率2017年到現在是0要繼續的保持下去當然國際的有它的一些失事率其實都是像渦輪是高達1.21\n424324\t433242\t2016年是平均從0.98上升到現在的1.21這個是我們要必須保持我們好的這個飛安但是我們還是有隱憂\n435387\t451650\t我們民航局在2023年發生的事件重大的飛航事故造成兩人死亡這個局長應該都很清楚那雲南會有做統計近10年來飛航事故的因素跟人相關的佔了66.7與環境相關的佔了48.5與航空器相關的佔了24.2\n460356\t480988\t來 局長我們航空器如果發生這種航空器的緊急逃生它是運輸工具裡面最難的安全是不可忽視的那我們針對與人相關、環境相關與航空器相關局長我們有沒有具體的改善跟要求的措施 來 說明一下\n482509\t503794\t有關跟人相關的部分就是剛剛報告也有提到的就是第一個就是操作的一個遵守這個操作手冊的部分標準作業程序的部分那第二個就是公司應該對相關的人員給予足夠的相關的資訊也好訓練也好包含相關供他們做在操作過程中所需要具備的一個專業\n504814\t521565\t那我想這個是人的部分我們要去做一個更完善因為人的部分其實所有的事件發生一定都跟人有關因為這個人在操作所以這個部分是我們長年以來一直在追求的部分就是希望在人的造成的因素的部分來降低\n522363\t548599\t好 局長你也提到人的因素我們來看看我們相關飛航的安全業務的檢查人力其實是缺乏的而且是心血不足那從運安會的報告我們可以得知人員的狀況及這種導航的因素是我國飛航事故的主要原因我們民航安全業務各類檢查員的年齡分佈他平均年齡是54歲\n550300\t568734\t其實是有點偏高了另外更重要飛航管制員的員額統計我們編制員額是589人那預算的員額有480人那現有員額是385人我要提醒局長值班時數平均是將近200個小時遠超過國際的平均120小時這種\n576487\t595920\t非常安全的檢察員或者是管制員他跟飛安關係是最為密切的那我們看到人力不足超時工作或是造成這種過度的頻繁是會嚴重的影響飛安我必須很嚴格的提醒局長我們民航局有掌握這種狀況嗎有沒有什麼改善的措施\n596560\t616594\t跟委員報告第一類就是這個非安檢察員的部分因為我們要求的航機務相關的檢察員都要在基本上有一個資格條件就是在業界應該有相關的飛航時數或者是經驗年資所以在這個部分他進來的時候其實已經有相當的一個時間所以進來的時候大概應該都是40幾歲以上\n618115\t639270\t那在進來之後呢因為我們有採兩種一個是約聘或公務員那報考公務員的部分就是我們知道他其實他的專業跟一般是不一樣所以我們特別去設了民航特考的類科供這一些人報考那第二個就是約聘的部分我們就盡量招聘不過近年來尤其疫情過後其實是比較嚴格的局長我清楚了所以我講\n640431\t665703\t跟你講重點就是說我們的值班時數都將近200個小時遠遠超過國際平均的120小時管制員的部分我們是行政院有給我們員額163分5年合撥那5年進來後期因為他訓練招考大概要11個月的時間才能上線所以陸續目前今年也會再招考31個就是說每一年30個5年從110年到115年\n668484\t689879\t加強飛安好不好加強飛安那從2015年復興航空空難當時我還代表家屬跟復興航空談判相關的這個賠償事宜這個是永久的傷痛我們不希望再發生這樣的事情所以我們對飛安必須要嚴格的要求以上請部長嚴格的督促好 謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝魯明哲召委請一下陳部長陳部長還有華航謝董事長謝董機場公司楊董事長楊董事長民防局何局長何局長\n來部長這次我們的棒球隊前進東京這是國人最振奮的一件事情那當然要去到東京的這個去程是由WBSC就是世界棒壘球總會他們的安排包括我們臺灣、日本還有澳洲\n三個隊伍各分配到12個商務艙其他是由這個豪津艙或是經濟艙來這個座位那去的時候有安排回程WBSC沒有安排他僅僅協助一般的這個機票的處理那也特別謝謝蔡奇昌會長全力的奔走謝謝交通部還有華航的全力的這樣的一個協助那我請問一下謝董事長\n來,我們這次的飛機是波音777應該吧?是吧?沒錯來,那我請教部長我們這一次除了隊員之外那隊員的家屬呢?是否也包含在裡面?報告委員這一次他們回程的部分我們華航真的謝董非常幫忙派出777之外那我們的這個商務艙的部分可以擴增到讓球員可以坐到28席\n那另外委員一直在關心的就是他們的家屬包含我們隨隊的這些員工還有就是記者的部分可不可以都包含在裡面嗎對可不可以同一班飛機我們這個部分我們讓他同一班飛機華航原則上是OK的是可以做到的謝謝華航這次全力的協助那我現在要\n請教一下部長還有機場公司就是我們交通部應該要落實身心障礙者的這個權益的保障那不管是聯合國的CRPD就是身心障礙者權利公約在2006年就已經起草\n那我們身心障礙者的權益保障法在1980年它的名稱叫殘障福利法2007年修法改名正名為身心障礙者的權益保障法那身心障礙者權益保障法它有兩個重要的意義第一個就是保障身心障礙者的權益第二就是避免他們遭受到歧視或者是不公平的這個一個對待那我們來看這個\n身心障礙者權益保障法第38條它也有明武規定就是說公部門及公務機關必須員工總人數在34人以上者禁用具有就業能力之身心障礙者人數不得低於員工總人數的3%那我們來看接下來兩張的相片部長我請教你你覺得哪裡有什麼問題\n這是桃園機場公司的招聘公告那你覺得在裡面來第二張\n你覺得有什麼問題報告委員身心障礙的數量或許有達到剛剛您所說的那個3%的這個標準但是我們是不是不要把它限定在只有行政類的這個管理類的這個部分會不會值等太低啦應該是所有要開放是不是身心障礙者權益的保障不是只有這個原來的一個問題而是在於我們依照\n多個國際人權組織他們相關的所提出的這種間接歧視的一個定義就是說雖然法律政策或是規範的內容以中性的表達方法呈現但是卻造成特定團體處於不對等的一個劣勢\n我們對於這樣的一個相關職位的這樣的一個禁用我認為第一個我們要落實對身心障礙者權利的保障第一個是每個職位身障者都有權利去爭取沒錯而不是限定說只能擔任某個特定工作\n只有限定在行政管理只是第二個為了保障鼓勵身障者擔任某些工作的這個權利其實是可以在某些領域來進行加分是這個才是更進一步具體的這樣的一個對身心障礙者的保障我要提醒楊董事長逃機是跟國際接軌重要的國家門面那出現這一種\n隔離政策的這樣的一個歧視的行為我認為是真的要深自檢討那1950年代美國就提出這種隔離就是歧視的概念許多判決都明確的指出雖然做一樣的事雖然做一樣的事但是出現區隔這就是歧視的行為你們在你們的招募的這個\n公告裡面然後說這個是身心障礙者的這個爭取的職位這就是一種堅革的歧視這就是一種隔離那我要提醒陶器必須要立即的改善\n第二交通部等下再統一說明交通部跟本部所轄的所有機關也要全面的檢視有沒有這樣的狀況公部門你沒有主動去保障身心障礙者尊嚴跟權益我們怎麼去要求民間來楊董事長說明一下\n謝謝委員的這個提醒這個公告內容我們表達的不夠清楚我們所寫的保障的那個科系的就那個專長的部分是最競爭最激烈的專長就是一般行政的部分所以我們用保障那個一般行政的禁用的員額裡面有申請障礙人數那其他的都還是一樣跟平常的情況是一樣的\n我們會做一個比較補充的報告在那個招生的這個這個要前逃改進我接下來請教一下民航局\n我們當然對於飛安的改革在2015年復興航空的空難之後我們不管是飛安的系統他的安全系統或是他的這個一個操作的流程或是起降的流程有更多的這樣不管是美航局或是民間的業者都有很加強這方面的相關的改革\n我們看到民航局的統計我們渦輪、螺旋機、飛機全毀失事率從2016年到現在是0直升機全毀的事故率2017年到現在是0要繼續的保持下去當然國際的有它的一些失事率其實都是像渦輪是高達1.21\n2016年是平均從0.98上升到現在的1.21這個是我們要必須保持我們好的這個飛安但是我們還是有隱憂\n我們民航局在2023年發生的事件重大的飛航事故造成兩人死亡這個局長應該都很清楚那雲南會有做統計近10年來飛航事故的因素跟人相關的佔了66.7與環境相關的佔了48.5與航空器相關的佔了24.2\n來 局長我們航空器如果發生這種航空器的緊急逃生它是運輸工具裡面最難的安全是不可忽視的那我們針對與人相關、環境相關與航空器相關局長我們有沒有具體的改善跟要求的措施 來 說明一下\n有關跟人相關的部分就是剛剛報告也有提到的就是第一個就是操作的一個遵守這個操作手冊的部分標準作業程序的部分那第二個就是公司應該對相關的人員給予足夠的相關的資訊也好訓練也好包含相關供他們做在操作過程中所需要具備的一個專業\n那我想這個是人的部分我們要去做一個更完善因為人的部分其實所有的事件發生一定都跟人有關因為這個人在操作所以這個部分是我們長年以來一直在追求的部分就是希望在人的造成的因素的部分來降低\n好 局長你也提到人的因素我們來看看我們相關飛航的安全業務的檢查人力其實是缺乏的而且是心血不足那從運安會的報告我們可以得知人員的狀況及這種導航的因素是我國飛航事故的主要原因我們民航安全業務各類檢查員的年齡分佈他平均年齡是54歲\n其實是有點偏高了另外更重要飛航管制員的員額統計我們編制員額是589人那預算的員額有480人那現有員額是385人我要提醒局長值班時數平均是將近200個小時遠超過國際的平均120小時這種\n非常安全的檢察員或者是管制員他跟飛安關係是最為密切的那我們看到人力不足超時工作或是造成這種過度的頻繁是會嚴重的影響飛安我必須很嚴格的提醒局長我們民航局有掌握這種狀況嗎有沒有什麼改善的措施\n跟委員報告第一類就是這個非安檢察員的部分因為我們要求的航機務相關的檢察員都要在基本上有一個資格條件就是在業界應該有相關的飛航時數或者是經驗年資所以在這個部分他進來的時候其實已經有相當的一個時間所以進來的時候大概應該都是40幾歲以上\n那在進來之後呢因為我們有採兩種一個是約聘或公務員那報考公務員的部分就是我們知道他其實他的專業跟一般是不一樣所以我們特別去設了民航特考的類科供這一些人報考那第二個就是約聘的部分我們就盡量招聘不過近年來尤其疫情過後其實是比較嚴格的局長我清楚了所以我講\n跟你講重點就是說我們的值班時數都將近200個小時遠遠超過國際平均的120小時管制員的部分我們是行政院有給我們員額163分5年合撥那5年進來後期因為他訓練招考大概要11個月的時間才能上線所以陸續目前今年也會再招考31個就是說每一年30個5年從110年到115年\n加強飛安好不好加強飛安那從2015年復興航空空難當時我還代表家屬跟復興航空談判相關的這個賠償事宜這個是永久的傷痛我們不希望再發生這樣的事情所以我們對飛安必須要嚴格的要求以上請部長嚴格的督促好 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:02.260 --> 00:12.759\n謝謝魯明哲召委請一下陳部長陳部長還有華航謝董事長謝董機場公司楊董事長楊董事長民防局何局長何局長\n\n00:14.802 --> 00:34.244\n來部長這次我們的棒球隊前進東京這是國人最振奮的一件事情那當然要去到東京的這個去程是由WBSC就是世界棒壘球總會他們的安排包括我們臺灣、日本還有澳洲\n\n00:35.891 --> 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