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00:00:45,231\n代理主委早安國民黨的羅志強委員他說核電研議最大的阻礙是核安會主張研議需要5年前申請他有這樣子的一個言論那我想這個規定會這樣定一定是有他的安全性的一個考量那我個人是比較不同意這樣的說法不曉得代理主委您怎麼看\n\n3\n00:00:46,424 --> 00:01:04,953\n我們會定這五年的話其實也有參考國際上的做法確實是以我們安全管制在審核的需求以及電廠做相關強化的需求來定這五年是好我就舉以下幾個例子第一個我想要請教的就是這個核電廠其實都會定期來做這個檢查跟維修\n\n4\n00:01:05,413 --> 00:01:15,838\n但是畢竟它其實還是有一些零件是無法修復也無法更換或者是檢查不出老化那比方說像地下的消防管線、電纜還有這個圍組體等等所以這個在設計的時候其實當初可能沒有把所謂的我們要更換或者我們要維修這個部分考量進去\n\n5\n00:01:24,322 --> 00:01:47,161\n第二、當年核發運轉執照時有沒有考慮過現在的天氣已經開始做不一樣的改變這是全球性的在極端氣候的狀況我們怎麼因應另外還有剛剛業務委員提到的暫時如果遇到了軍事恐攻的部分的話我們應該怎麼因應那我想剛剛其實這個代理主委你有提到\n\n6\n00:01:48,622 --> 00:01:49,582\n此外,此外,此外,此外,此外,此外。\n\n7\n00:02:18,688 --> 00:02:41,019\n嚴重的地震因為我想這個今年我們的地震頻繁而且這個強度感覺是越來越強有時候是在不預警的狀況之下突然出現那第四點這個國際近鄰趨勢是綠能但是問題是我們的核三廠的兩部反應器其實都不是歐盟認定的綠能的機型這也是要考慮到考慮到裡頭\n\n8\n00:02:42,920 --> 00:02:56,677\n第五點我相信是最重要的一點就是沒有任何一個縣市願意接受核廢料張代理主委我剛剛所念的這些是不是都是很重要的考量是的\n\n9\n00:02:57,998 --> 00:03:00,760\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會及所屬單位預\n\n10\n00:03:41,448 --> 00:04:06,916\n那針對這個戰爭的部分因為剛才沒有時間講完我再補充一下其實針對戰爭的部分我們也在輔導之後針對他們的這個戰爭部分的強化也就是大範圍的攻擊核電廠的時候造成的失火這些事實上我們在緊急應變的部分也建立了相關的一些防護的措施所以這些都需要來滾動檢討尤其是最後一點我講的就是核廢料的問題沒有一個限制表態\n\n11\n00:04:07,816 --> 00:04:10,037\n二、審查114年度中央政府總預算案有關核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預\n\n12\n00:04:35,370 --> 00:04:37,011\n學術研究補助成效有限投入產業人數不多核安會在補助學術合作研究計畫總共培育161人核於未來三年重點產業所需只有31位\n\n13\n00:04:59,426 --> 00:05:02,847\n三、審查124年度中央政府總預算案有關核能安全委員會主管核子事故緊急應變基金附屬單位預\n\n14\n00:05:24,416 --> 00:05:50,201\n這部分因為比較多的細節我們可不可以在會後再來補充沒有問題那會後再補充給我們辦公室最後我想要問的就是說關於我們的科普的教育當然我們說科普的策展佔總經費的部分其實也佔據了一半但是問題是當今其實核能領域最重要的就是核能的能源規劃的問題\n\n15\n00:05:51,621 --> 00:05:56,703\n我們可能有時候還沒有辦法達到就是能夠達到的所謂的願景的一個說明那我在想其實雖然我們要跟民眾來做溝通但是我們能不能夠真正達到跟社會輿論的溝通或者是在民眾他們雖然有的部分他們是肯定所謂的核電的安全但是到目前為止其實對於所謂的核廢料的處置的問題我們似乎好像避而不談\n\n16\n00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:39,321\n需執行的事項之一。\n\n17\n00:06:56,050 --> 00:06:56,430\n核廢料有談\n\n18\n00:07:16,570 --> 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