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00:03:11,434\n就是這次川普點名的內閣官員裡面基本上都沒有看到他上一任任期的官員出現那你覺得這是為什麼呢當然我也只能從目前的一些報導來看他的趨勢第一個他可能是對他的忠誠度這是絕對需要的第二個他的政治的理念可能跟川普是同一個方向的\n\n10\n00:03:12,506 --> 00:03:31,705\n第三個我覺得有一個年輕化的趨勢年輕化的趨勢我想我可以看出的大概幾個方向大概是這樣子那麼確實怎麼樣的情況可能要他那個成立通過以後我想我們再做進一步的了解\n\n11\n00:03:32,265 --> 00:03:58,695\n那我再請教次長一個問題就是你覺得美國內閣官員的人事任命的這個程序是不是是一個好的制度呢那你覺得我們中華民國政府是不是也應該採取這個美國內閣官員的人事任命的方式過濾掉一些不適任的人選呢就像你擔任這個職務就非常的適任嘛因為你有非常豐富的外交的理念那你覺得中華民國是不是應該也採納這個制度呢\n\n12\n00:04:02,978 --> 00:04:29,957\n我覺得各個制度有它的強的有它的弱、有它的好、有它的缺陷所以我不辯置評了不過我覺得現在台灣目前的走的方式其實第一個速度也會比較快第二個也是用人因材用他的人所以我想台灣這個人才的挑選\n\n13\n00:04:32,254 --> 00:04:35,223\n爭議性可能少過現在\n\n14\n00:04:37,742 --> 00:04:38,182\n現在有請國發會的副主委和經濟部的次長\n\n15\n00:05:13,745 --> 00:05:36,997\n首先先請問國發會的副主委和經濟部的次長現在美國總統大選落幕了確定川普勝選嗎那問題是因為川普在競選的時候有多次高喊要對進口貨品還有對中國要加徵60%的關稅也直指台灣都搶走了美國的晶片的生意這樣要台灣副保護會這些的發言\n\n16\n00:05:37,577 --> 00:05:38,058\n報告委員：我先回應好了\n\n17\n00:05:53,035 --> 00:06:10,581\n川普在第一任任期裡面他在執政之前在就職之前講了很多世界上都認為不太可能發生但他都真的發生所以我們不敢對川普在競選期所講的任何的言論掉以輕心我們密切的觀察\n\n18\n00:06:11,241 --> 00:06:33,340\n但是如果對全世界來苛徵關稅的話他還是有一些我們要來密切注意比方說他是不是真的會用緊急命令來做這件事情他對WTO的態度怎麼樣世界各國跟他互動怎麼樣還有他的執政團隊會做什麼樣的評估還有他要怎麼落實執行他的國會是不是支持等等我們都必須要密切的觀察\n\n19\n00:06:33,740 --> 00:06:54,399\n但是我們並不支持這樣加徵關稅的做法因為這個會造成全世界貿易的遲滯對世界經濟並不好所以這個是但是我們必須要面對這個可能發生事來密切因應那第二點關於金幣的部分我們當然在這邊要公開而且正式的來說\n\n20\n00:06:55,600 --> 00:07:11,893\n台灣今天的半導體的發展是靠我們自己努力以及全球供應鏈包括台美間密切合作發展出來沒有什麼偷什麼東西這個問題這個純粹是一個錯誤的瞭解而且我們也會跟川普政府來做進一步的溝通\n\n21\n00:07:14,957 --> 00:07:15,077\n主席\n\n22\n00:07:30,168 --> 00:07:46,886\n那我想問一下就是說像APEC在秘魯登場了但是現在我們值得關注的是由中國出資幫秘魯建了一個前開港在本月是營運那中國國家的主席習近平也參與開幕剪裁根據外媒指出中國透過資金去\n\n23\n00:07:49,068 --> 00:07:57,773\n建這個前坎坎的話：對秘魯提出了多項的要求其中包括提名了2026年的APEC的會議主辦國CPTPP創始會員秘魯拒絕批准台灣加入申請案那中國現在在對台灣加倍的施壓那勸說各國鄰近的國家都切斷跟台灣的關係的互動並聲稱台灣是屬於中國的領土請問這些你們有掌握嗎?\n\n24\n00:08:18,784 --> 00:08:34,620\n有關中國跟秘魯之間的關係他們兩國的相關的交易我們目前當然我們就密切觀察這個是主要配合外交部在進行那麼有關CPTPP的部分目前\n\n25\n00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:46,728\n公開的、確定的原則是所謂奧克蘭山原則也就是說必須要有高標準的執行貿易協定能力有良好的過去遵守貿易協定的時機第三個得到會員的共識\n\n26\n00:08:51,511 --> 00:09:01,882\n那麼這個東西呢,國際局勢瞬息萬變,我們也在努力,那這個主要是行政院經貿談判辦公室在主政,經濟部會配合他利用各種雙邊經貿對話還有經濟合作的各種計劃裡面來推動這個CPTPP的業務。\n\n27\n00:09:10,774 --> 00:09:11,956\n臺灣要加入CPTPP你覺得還有機會嗎因為畢竟我們臺灣為了\n\n28\n00:09:25,694 --> 00:09:26,455\n你覺得我們這個月底會有好消息傳回嗎?\n\n29\n00:09:54,452 --> 00:10:17,343\n美國並不是CPTPP的會員國這第一點第二點當時開放萊克多安德這個是因為美方要求我們履行過去的承諾我們只是履行承諾但是政府為人民的健康把關仍然非常的嚴謹那麼年底之前傳來加入CPTPP的訊息大概不太可能這麼快但是我們繼續努力\n\n30\n00:10:18,544 --> 00:10:22,047\n主席再給我兩分鐘我再請教一下經濟部的次長2018年美國對包括台灣在內的許多國家施加了綱旅的關稅請問這個形同對台灣的貿易壁壘目前還沒有對台灣豁免對不對沒有\n\n31\n00:10:39,497 --> 00:10:40,618\n據瞭解2018年之後這幾年間美國已經陸續延長或完全豁免對歐盟、日本、韓國、墨西哥還有加拿大等國家的綱領關稅對吧?\n\n32\n00:10:52,227 --> 00:10:56,328\n既然我們現在台美關係事實上最好的為什麼還有有什麼理由不能要求美國撤銷對我們的鋼鋁關稅呢而且現在美國為了想要確保他們自己國家的國防產業及所有的鋼鋁製品相關的供應鏈不會因為政治因素受到干擾開始提倡所謂的有案外包那現在不是正好是一個台灣向美國提議免除鋼鋁關稅的最好時機嗎\n\n33\n00:11:23,457 --> 00:11:50,158\n第一,美國為什麼不豁免台灣的關稅這個事情我們一直在跟美方溝通真正的理由恐怕要由美方來說明但是我方認為應該要給我們豁免這第一點第二點,我們對美國出口的鋼我們的鋼產業大概75%供內需25%外銷我們對美國鋼鐵的出口事實上是成長的也就是說因為我們的品質、競爭力還有差異化的結果事實上美國對我們鋼是有需求\n\n34\n00:11:50,658 --> 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一向來說\n29130\t53005\t都是非常健康的而且非常持續的不論是誰當上總統因為川普也做過一任拜登在做現在川普在上來這關係是非常好但是當然也有他的變數現在川普第二任上來也有他的變數那我們要怎麼樣去掌握這個變數\n55831\t59042\t讓這個關係能夠持續地往前走這是我們最重要的任務\n60627\t84446\t美國總統大選已經結束了照例勝選的一方會開始安排可能的內閣人士川普安排內閣名單其實速度是史無前例但是現在美國的內閣官員從提名到上任可能要經過一些程序最主要的就是要讓國會行使人事任命權過濾掉一些不適任的官員\n85367\t94753\t在北溪這邊有幾個列出幾個跟台灣的外交國防比較有直接相關而且已經被川普點名的官員不過這個幾個裡面可能會存在了一些爭議那請問次長都有掌握嗎\n100968\t116619\t都有每一個現在提出的提名的、被提名的人,我們都會去了解他的背景,而且他對於台灣的態度跟中國的態度等等,他的以前所的發言到底是什麼,我們都有掌握。\n117574\t121458\t請問就次長你的判斷這幾個人選裡面有哪些可能沒有辦法通過美國參議員的人士任命的同意呢?\n133669\t158909\t委員你這問題就難倒我了我沒有辦法在這裡回答你好那外交部是不是有掌握呢哪些人可能會通過哪些人可能會沒有辦法通過人事任命外交部應該是都會有評估吧報告委員這個我想這個權責是在他們參議院還有他的總統提名所以我想在這個階段外交部也不便做任何的評論跟評估沒關係那次長你如果不敢公開也不用勉強你但是想要再請教次長\n163413\t191434\t就是這次川普點名的內閣官員裡面基本上都沒有看到他上一任任期的官員出現那你覺得這是為什麼呢當然我也只能從目前的一些報導來看他的趨勢第一個他可能是對他的忠誠度這是絕對需要的第二個他的政治的理念可能跟川普是同一個方向的\n192506\t211705\t第三個我覺得有一個年輕化的趨勢年輕化的趨勢我想我可以看出的大概幾個方向大概是這樣子那麼確實怎麼樣的情況可能要他那個成立通過以後我想我們再做進一步的了解\n212265\t238695\t那我再請教次長一個問題就是你覺得美國內閣官員的人事任命的這個程序是不是是一個好的制度呢那你覺得我們中華民國政府是不是也應該採取這個美國內閣官員的人事任命的方式過濾掉一些不適任的人選呢就像你擔任這個職務就非常的適任嘛因為你有非常豐富的外交的理念那你覺得中華民國是不是應該也採納這個制度呢\n242978\t269957\t我覺得各個制度有它的強的有它的弱、有它的好、有它的缺陷所以我不辯置評了不過我覺得現在台灣目前的走的方式其實第一個速度也會比較快第二個也是用人因材用他的人所以我想台灣這個人才的挑選\n272254\t275223\t爭議性可能少過現在\n277742\t278182\t現在有請國發會的副主委和經濟部的次長\n313745\t336997\t首先先請問國發會的副主委和經濟部的次長現在美國總統大選落幕了確定川普勝選嗎那問題是因為川普在競選的時候有多次高喊要對進口貨品還有對中國要加徵60%的關稅也直指台灣都搶走了美國的晶片的生意這樣要台灣副保護會這些的發言\n337577\t338058\t報告委員：我先回應好了\n353035\t370581\t川普在第一任任期裡面他在執政之前在就職之前講了很多世界上都認為不太可能發生但他都真的發生所以我們不敢對川普在競選期所講的任何的言論掉以輕心我們密切的觀察\n371241\t393340\t但是如果對全世界來苛徵關稅的話他還是有一些我們要來密切注意比方說他是不是真的會用緊急命令來做這件事情他對WTO的態度怎麼樣世界各國跟他互動怎麼樣還有他的執政團隊會做什麼樣的評估還有他要怎麼落實執行他的國會是不是支持等等我們都必須要密切的觀察\n393740\t414399\t但是我們並不支持這樣加徵關稅的做法因為這個會造成全世界貿易的遲滯對世界經濟並不好所以這個是但是我們必須要面對這個可能發生事來密切因應那第二點關於金幣的部分我們當然在這邊要公開而且正式的來說\n415600\t431893\t台灣今天的半導體的發展是靠我們自己努力以及全球供應鏈包括台美間密切合作發展出來沒有什麼偷什麼東西這個問題這個純粹是一個錯誤的瞭解而且我們也會跟川普政府來做進一步的溝通\n434957\t435077\t主席\n450168\t466886\t那我想問一下就是說像APEC在秘魯登場了但是現在我們值得關注的是由中國出資幫秘魯建了一個前開港在本月是營運那中國國家的主席習近平也參與開幕剪裁根據外媒指出中國透過資金去\n469068\t477773\t建這個前坎坎的話：對秘魯提出了多項的要求其中包括提名了2026年的APEC的會議主辦國CPTPP創始會員秘魯拒絕批准台灣加入申請案那中國現在在對台灣加倍的施壓那勸說各國鄰近的國家都切斷跟台灣的關係的互動並聲稱台灣是屬於中國的領土請問這些你們有掌握嗎?\n498784\t514620\t有關中國跟秘魯之間的關係他們兩國的相關的交易我們目前當然我們就密切觀察這個是主要配合外交部在進行那麼有關CPTPP的部分目前\n515480\t526728\t公開的、確定的原則是所謂奧克蘭山原則也就是說必須要有高標準的執行貿易協定能力有良好的過去遵守貿易協定的時機第三個得到會員的共識\n531511\t541882\t那麼這個東西呢,國際局勢瞬息萬變,我們也在努力,那這個主要是行政院經貿談判辦公室在主政,經濟部會配合他利用各種雙邊經貿對話還有經濟合作的各種計劃裡面來推動這個CPTPP的業務。\n550774\t551956\t臺灣要加入CPTPP你覺得還有機會嗎因為畢竟我們臺灣為了\n565694\t566455\t你覺得我們這個月底會有好消息傳回嗎?\n594452\t617343\t美國並不是CPTPP的會員國這第一點第二點當時開放萊克多安德這個是因為美方要求我們履行過去的承諾我們只是履行承諾但是政府為人民的健康把關仍然非常的嚴謹那麼年底之前傳來加入CPTPP的訊息大概不太可能這麼快但是我們繼續努力\n618544\t622047\t主席再給我兩分鐘我再請教一下經濟部的次長2018年美國對包括台灣在內的許多國家施加了綱旅的關稅請問這個形同對台灣的貿易壁壘目前還沒有對台灣豁免對不對沒有\n639497\t640618\t據瞭解2018年之後這幾年間美國已經陸續延長或完全豁免對歐盟、日本、韓國、墨西哥還有加拿大等國家的綱領關稅對吧?\n652227\t656328\t既然我們現在台美關係事實上最好的為什麼還有有什麼理由不能要求美國撤銷對我們的鋼鋁關稅呢而且現在美國為了想要確保他們自己國家的國防產業及所有的鋼鋁製品相關的供應鏈不會因為政治因素受到干擾開始提倡所謂的有案外包那現在不是正好是一個台灣向美國提議免除鋼鋁關稅的最好時機嗎\n683457\t710158\t第一,美國為什麼不豁免台灣的關稅這個事情我們一直在跟美方溝通真正的理由恐怕要由美方來說明但是我方認為應該要給我們豁免這第一點第二點,我們對美國出口的鋼我們的鋼產業大概75%供內需25%外銷我們對美國鋼鐵的出口事實上是成長的也就是說因為我們的品質、競爭力還有差異化的結果事實上美國對我們鋼是有需求\n710658\t710858\t：林憶君\n","txt":"謝謝主席 請外交部填次長次長早 首先請問次長 無論是內部還是外部的因素那目前台美的關係 是不是現在史上是最好的關係當然 台美的關係 一向來說\n都是非常健康的而且非常持續的不論是誰當上總統因為川普也做過一任拜登在做現在川普在上來這關係是非常好但是當然也有他的變數現在川普第二任上來也有他的變數那我們要怎麼樣去掌握這個變數\n讓這個關係能夠持續地往前走這是我們最重要的任務\n美國總統大選已經結束了照例勝選的一方會開始安排可能的內閣人士川普安排內閣名單其實速度是史無前例但是現在美國的內閣官員從提名到上任可能要經過一些程序最主要的就是要讓國會行使人事任命權過濾掉一些不適任的官員\n在北溪這邊有幾個列出幾個跟台灣的外交國防比較有直接相關而且已經被川普點名的官員不過這個幾個裡面可能會存在了一些爭議那請問次長都有掌握嗎\n都有每一個現在提出的提名的、被提名的人,我們都會去了解他的背景,而且他對於台灣的態度跟中國的態度等等,他的以前所的發言到底是什麼,我們都有掌握。\n請問就次長你的判斷這幾個人選裡面有哪些可能沒有辦法通過美國參議員的人士任命的同意呢?\n委員你這問題就難倒我了我沒有辦法在這裡回答你好那外交部是不是有掌握呢哪些人可能會通過哪些人可能會沒有辦法通過人事任命外交部應該是都會有評估吧報告委員這個我想這個權責是在他們參議院還有他的總統提名所以我想在這個階段外交部也不便做任何的評論跟評估沒關係那次長你如果不敢公開也不用勉強你但是想要再請教次長\n就是這次川普點名的內閣官員裡面基本上都沒有看到他上一任任期的官員出現那你覺得這是為什麼呢當然我也只能從目前的一些報導來看他的趨勢第一個他可能是對他的忠誠度這是絕對需要的第二個他的政治的理念可能跟川普是同一個方向的\n第三個我覺得有一個年輕化的趨勢年輕化的趨勢我想我可以看出的大概幾個方向大概是這樣子那麼確實怎麼樣的情況可能要他那個成立通過以後我想我們再做進一步的了解\n那我再請教次長一個問題就是你覺得美國內閣官員的人事任命的這個程序是不是是一個好的制度呢那你覺得我們中華民國政府是不是也應該採取這個美國內閣官員的人事任命的方式過濾掉一些不適任的人選呢就像你擔任這個職務就非常的適任嘛因為你有非常豐富的外交的理念那你覺得中華民國是不是應該也採納這個制度呢\n我覺得各個制度有它的強的有它的弱、有它的好、有它的缺陷所以我不辯置評了不過我覺得現在台灣目前的走的方式其實第一個速度也會比較快第二個也是用人因材用他的人所以我想台灣這個人才的挑選\n爭議性可能少過現在\n現在有請國發會的副主委和經濟部的次長\n首先先請問國發會的副主委和經濟部的次長現在美國總統大選落幕了確定川普勝選嗎那問題是因為川普在競選的時候有多次高喊要對進口貨品還有對中國要加徵60%的關稅也直指台灣都搶走了美國的晶片的生意這樣要台灣副保護會這些的發言\n報告委員：我先回應好了\n川普在第一任任期裡面他在執政之前在就職之前講了很多世界上都認為不太可能發生但他都真的發生所以我們不敢對川普在競選期所講的任何的言論掉以輕心我們密切的觀察\n但是如果對全世界來苛徵關稅的話他還是有一些我們要來密切注意比方說他是不是真的會用緊急命令來做這件事情他對WTO的態度怎麼樣世界各國跟他互動怎麼樣還有他的執政團隊會做什麼樣的評估還有他要怎麼落實執行他的國會是不是支持等等我們都必須要密切的觀察\n但是我們並不支持這樣加徵關稅的做法因為這個會造成全世界貿易的遲滯對世界經濟並不好所以這個是但是我們必須要面對這個可能發生事來密切因應那第二點關於金幣的部分我們當然在這邊要公開而且正式的來說\n台灣今天的半導體的發展是靠我們自己努力以及全球供應鏈包括台美間密切合作發展出來沒有什麼偷什麼東西這個問題這個純粹是一個錯誤的瞭解而且我們也會跟川普政府來做進一步的溝通\n主席\n那我想問一下就是說像APEC在秘魯登場了但是現在我們值得關注的是由中國出資幫秘魯建了一個前開港在本月是營運那中國國家的主席習近平也參與開幕剪裁根據外媒指出中國透過資金去\n建這個前坎坎的話：對秘魯提出了多項的要求其中包括提名了2026年的APEC的會議主辦國CPTPP創始會員秘魯拒絕批准台灣加入申請案那中國現在在對台灣加倍的施壓那勸說各國鄰近的國家都切斷跟台灣的關係的互動並聲稱台灣是屬於中國的領土請問這些你們有掌握嗎?\n有關中國跟秘魯之間的關係他們兩國的相關的交易我們目前當然我們就密切觀察這個是主要配合外交部在進行那麼有關CPTPP的部分目前\n公開的、確定的原則是所謂奧克蘭山原則也就是說必須要有高標準的執行貿易協定能力有良好的過去遵守貿易協定的時機第三個得到會員的共識\n那麼這個東西呢,國際局勢瞬息萬變,我們也在努力,那這個主要是行政院經貿談判辦公室在主政,經濟部會配合他利用各種雙邊經貿對話還有經濟合作的各種計劃裡面來推動這個CPTPP的業務。\n臺灣要加入CPTPP你覺得還有機會嗎因為畢竟我們臺灣為了\n你覺得我們這個月底會有好消息傳回嗎?\n美國並不是CPTPP的會員國這第一點第二點當時開放萊克多安德這個是因為美方要求我們履行過去的承諾我們只是履行承諾但是政府為人民的健康把關仍然非常的嚴謹那麼年底之前傳來加入CPTPP的訊息大概不太可能這麼快但是我們繼續努力\n主席再給我兩分鐘我再請教一下經濟部的次長2018年美國對包括台灣在內的許多國家施加了綱旅的關稅請問這個形同對台灣的貿易壁壘目前還沒有對台灣豁免對不對沒有\n據瞭解2018年之後這幾年間美國已經陸續延長或完全豁免對歐盟、日本、韓國、墨西哥還有加拿大等國家的綱領關稅對吧?\n既然我們現在台美關係事實上最好的為什麼還有有什麼理由不能要求美國撤銷對我們的鋼鋁關稅呢而且現在美國為了想要確保他們自己國家的國防產業及所有的鋼鋁製品相關的供應鏈不會因為政治因素受到干擾開始提倡所謂的有案外包那現在不是正好是一個台灣向美國提議免除鋼鋁關稅的最好時機嗎\n第一,美國為什麼不豁免台灣的關稅這個事情我們一直在跟美方溝通真正的理由恐怕要由美方來說明但是我方認為應該要給我們豁免這第一點第二點,我們對美國出口的鋼我們的鋼產業大概75%供內需25%外銷我們對美國鋼鐵的出口事實上是成長的也就是說因為我們的品質、競爭力還有差異化的結果事實上美國對我們鋼是有需求\n：林憶君\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.503 --> 00:03.404\n謝謝主席請外交部填次長次長早首先請問次長無論是內部還是外部的因素那目前台美的關係是不是現在史上是最好的關係當然台美的關係一向來說\n\n00:29.130 --> 00:53.005\n都是非常健康的而且非常持續的不論是誰當上總統因為川普也做過一任拜登在做現在川普在上來這關係是非常好但是當然也有他的變數現在川普第二任上來也有他的變數那我們要怎麼樣去掌握這個變數\n\n00:55.831 --> 00:59.042\n讓這個關係能夠持續地往前走這是我們最重要的任務\n\n01:00.627 --> 01:24.446\n美國總統大選已經結束了照例勝選的一方會開始安排可能的內閣人士川普安排內閣名單其實速度是史無前例但是現在美國的內閣官員從提名到上任可能要經過一些程序最主要的就是要讓國會行使人事任命權過濾掉一些不適任的官員\n\n01:25.367 --> 01:34.753\n在北溪這邊有幾個列出幾個跟台灣的外交國防比較有直接相關而且已經被川普點名的官員不過這個幾個裡面可能會存在了一些爭議那請問次長都有掌握嗎\n\n01:40.968 --> 01:56.619\n都有每一個現在提出的提名的、被提名的人,我們都會去了解他的背景,而且他對於台灣的態度跟中國的態度等等,他的以前所的發言到底是什麼,我們都有掌握。\n\n01:57.574 --> 02:01.458\n請問就次長你的判斷這幾個人選裡面有哪些可能沒有辦法通過美國參議員的人士任命的同意呢?\n\n02:13.669 --> 02:38.909\n委員你這問題就難倒我了我沒有辦法在這裡回答你好那外交部是不是有掌握呢哪些人可能會通過哪些人可能會沒有辦法通過人事任命外交部應該是都會有評估吧報告委員這個我想這個權責是在他們參議院還有他的總統提名所以我想在這個階段外交部也不便做任何的評論跟評估沒關係那次長你如果不敢公開也不用勉強你但是想要再請教次長\n\n02:43.413 --> 03:11.434\n就是這次川普點名的內閣官員裡面基本上都沒有看到他上一任任期的官員出現那你覺得這是為什麼呢當然我也只能從目前的一些報導來看他的趨勢第一個他可能是對他的忠誠度這是絕對需要的第二個他的政治的理念可能跟川普是同一個方向的\n\n03:12.506 --> 03:31.705\n第三個我覺得有一個年輕化的趨勢年輕化的趨勢我想我可以看出的大概幾個方向大概是這樣子那麼確實怎麼樣的情況可能要他那個成立通過以後我想我們再做進一步的了解\n\n03:32.265 --> 03:58.695\n那我再請教次長一個問題就是你覺得美國內閣官員的人事任命的這個程序是不是是一個好的制度呢那你覺得我們中華民國政府是不是也應該採取這個美國內閣官員的人事任命的方式過濾掉一些不適任的人選呢就像你擔任這個職務就非常的適任嘛因為你有非常豐富的外交的理念那你覺得中華民國是不是應該也採納這個制度呢\n\n04:02.978 --> 04:29.957\n我覺得各個制度有它的強的有它的弱、有它的好、有它的缺陷所以我不辯置評了不過我覺得現在台灣目前的走的方式其實第一個速度也會比較快第二個也是用人因材用他的人所以我想台灣這個人才的挑選\n\n04:32.254 --> 04:35.223\n爭議性可能少過現在\n\n04:37.742 --> 04:38.182\n現在有請國發會的副主委和經濟部的次長\n\n05:13.745 --> 05:36.997\n首先先請問國發會的副主委和經濟部的次長現在美國總統大選落幕了確定川普勝選嗎那問題是因為川普在競選的時候有多次高喊要對進口貨品還有對中國要加徵60%的關稅也直指台灣都搶走了美國的晶片的生意這樣要台灣副保護會這些的發言\n\n05:37.577 --> 05:38.058\n報告委員：我先回應好了\n\n05:53.035 --> 06:10.581\n川普在第一任任期裡面他在執政之前在就職之前講了很多世界上都認為不太可能發生但他都真的發生所以我們不敢對川普在競選期所講的任何的言論掉以輕心我們密切的觀察\n\n06:11.241 --> 06:33.340\n但是如果對全世界來苛徵關稅的話他還是有一些我們要來密切注意比方說他是不是真的會用緊急命令來做這件事情他對WTO的態度怎麼樣世界各國跟他互動怎麼樣還有他的執政團隊會做什麼樣的評估還有他要怎麼落實執行他的國會是不是支持等等我們都必須要密切的觀察\n\n06:33.740 --> 06:54.399\n但是我們並不支持這樣加徵關稅的做法因為這個會造成全世界貿易的遲滯對世界經濟並不好所以這個是但是我們必須要面對這個可能發生事來密切因應那第二點關於金幣的部分我們當然在這邊要公開而且正式的來說\n\n06:55.600 --> 07:11.893\n台灣今天的半導體的發展是靠我們自己努力以及全球供應鏈包括台美間密切合作發展出來沒有什麼偷什麼東西這個問題這個純粹是一個錯誤的瞭解而且我們也會跟川普政府來做進一步的溝通\n\n07:14.957 --> 07:15.077\n主席\n\n07:30.168 --> 07:46.886\n那我想問一下就是說像APEC在秘魯登場了但是現在我們值得關注的是由中國出資幫秘魯建了一個前開港在本月是營運那中國國家的主席習近平也參與開幕剪裁根據外媒指出中國透過資金去\n\n07:49.068 --> 07:57.773\n建這個前坎坎的話：對秘魯提出了多項的要求其中包括提名了2026年的APEC的會議主辦國CPTPP創始會員秘魯拒絕批准台灣加入申請案那中國現在在對台灣加倍的施壓那勸說各國鄰近的國家都切斷跟台灣的關係的互動並聲稱台灣是屬於中國的領土請問這些你們有掌握嗎?\n\n08:18.784 --> 08:34.620\n有關中國跟秘魯之間的關係他們兩國的相關的交易我們目前當然我們就密切觀察這個是主要配合外交部在進行那麼有關CPTPP的部分目前\n\n08:35.480 --> 08:46.728\n公開的、確定的原則是所謂奧克蘭山原則也就是說必須要有高標準的執行貿易協定能力有良好的過去遵守貿易協定的時機第三個得到會員的共識\n\n08:51.511 --> 09:01.882\n那麼這個東西呢,國際局勢瞬息萬變,我們也在努力,那這個主要是行政院經貿談判辦公室在主政,經濟部會配合他利用各種雙邊經貿對話還有經濟合作的各種計劃裡面來推動這個CPTPP的業務。\n\n09:10.774 --> 09:11.956\n臺灣要加入CPTPP你覺得還有機會嗎因為畢竟我們臺灣為了\n\n09:25.694 --> 09:26.455\n你覺得我們這個月底會有好消息傳回嗎?\n\n09:54.452 --> 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常的適任嘛，因為你有非常豐富的外交歷練。你覺得中華民國是不是應該也採納這個制度呢？"],["田次長中光：委員，我覺得各個制度有它的強、有它的弱、有它的好、有它的缺陷，所以我不便置評，不過我覺得臺灣目前走的方式，其實第一個，速度會比較快；第二個，也是用人因材。所以我想臺灣人才的挑選，爭議性可能少過現在川普要提的，我大概只能從報章媒體看到這些，我大概只能這樣回答了。"],["林委員憶君：好，謝謝次長，因為距離川普就任應該還有兩個月嘛，所以內閣官員人事任命的時間其實可能還很長，那就要請外交部未來還要持續關注。"],["田次長中光：一定。"],["林委員憶君：田次長請回。"],["田次長中光：謝謝。"],["林委員憶君：我現在有請國發會副主委和經濟部次長。"],["陳次長正祺：委員好。"],["林委員憶君：首先先請問國發會的副主委和經濟部的次長。現在美國總統大選落幕了，確定川普勝選，問題是因為川普在競選的時候，多次高喊要對進口貨品，以及對中國要加徵60%的關稅，也直指臺灣都搶走了美國的晶片生意、要臺灣付保護費等這些發言，請問國發會副主委及經濟部次長，你們認為川普重返白宮之後，是否會為了美國的利益，開啟更殘酷的關稅大戰？"],["陳次長正祺：報告委員，我先回應好了，川普在第一任任期裡面，他在執政之前、在就職之前講了很多世界上都認為不太可能發生的事，但都真的發生，所以我們不敢對川普在競選期所講的任何言論掉以輕心，我們密切觀察，但是如果對全世界來課徵關稅，還是有一些我們要密切注意的，比方他是不是真的會用緊急命令來做這件事情、他對WTO的態度怎麼樣、世界各國跟他互動怎麼樣、他的執政團隊會做什麼樣的評估，還有他要怎麼落實執行、他的國會是不是支持等等，我們都必須要密切的觀察，但是我們並不支持這樣加徵關稅的作法，因為這會造成全世界貿易的遲滯，對世界經濟並不好，但是我們必須要面對這個可能發生的事來密切因應。第二點，關於晶片的部分，我們當然在這邊要公開而且正式的表示，臺灣今天半導體的發展是靠我們自己努力，以及全球供應鏈，包括臺美間密切合作發展出來，沒有什麼偷什麼東西這個問題，這純粹是一個錯誤的了解，而且我們也會跟川普政府來做進一步的溝通。"],["彭副主任委員立沛：跟委員報告，我們支持經濟部這邊的看法，另外我們也會持續的滾動了解，持續掌握川普執政之後的動向，謝謝。"],["林委員憶君：好，我想問一下，像APEC在秘魯登場了，但是現在我們值得關注的是由中國出資幫秘魯建了一個錢凱港，在本月試營運，中國國家主席習近平也參與開幕剪綵。根據外媒指出，中國透過資金去建錢凱港，對秘魯提出了多項要求，其中包括提名2026年APEC會議主辦國、CPTPP創始會員秘魯拒絕批准臺灣加入申請案，中國現在在對臺灣加倍的施壓，勸說各國鄰近國家都切斷跟臺灣關係的互動，並聲稱臺灣是屬於中國的領土。請問這些你們有掌握嗎？"],["陳次長正祺：報告委員，有關中國跟秘魯之間的關係，他們兩國相關的交易，當然我們目前就密切觀察，這主要是配合外交部在進行，那麼有關CPTPP部分，目前公開的、確定的原則是所謂奧克蘭三原則，也就是必須要有高標準的執行貿易協定能力；有過去良好的執行貿易，遵守貿易協定的實績；第三個，得到會員的共識。那麼這個東西國際局勢瞬息萬變，我們也在努力，這個主要是行政院經貿談判辦公室在主政，經濟部會配合它利用各種雙邊經貿對話，還有經濟合作的各種計畫，推動CPTPP的業務。"],["林委員憶君：好，我再請教一下次長，如果萬一未來與中國ECFA真的如果被迫終止了，中國又用金錢外交的誘惑之下，臺灣要加入CPTPP，你覺得還有機會嗎？因為畢竟我們臺灣為了加入CPTPP，完全要配合美國要求，還有美國交換的經濟利益，為此我們也開放了含萊克多巴胺的美豬，引發爭議。更不斷地向美國購買武器，表面上好像跟美國關係友好，讓臺美關係持續的強化，實質上對臺灣想要加入CPTPP，其實好像又是遙遙無期。你覺得我們這個月底會有好消息傳回嗎？"],["陳次長正祺：報告委員，美國並不是CPTPP的會員國，這第一點；第二點，當時開放萊克多巴胺是因為美方要求我們屢行過去的承諾，我們只是履行承諾，但是政府為人民的健康把關，仍然非常嚴謹，那麼年底之前傳來加入CPTPP的訊息，大概不太可能這麼快，但是我們繼續努力。"],["林委員憶君：好，主席再給我兩分鐘，我再請教一下經濟部的次長，2018年美國對包括臺灣在內的許多國家施加了鋼鋁的關稅，這形同對臺灣的貿易壁壘，目前還沒有對臺灣豁免，對不對？"],["陳次長正祺：沒有。"],["林委員憶君：據了解，2018年之後這幾年間，美國已經陸續延長或完全豁免對歐盟、日本、韓國、墨西哥，還有加拿大等國家的鋼鋁關稅，對吧？"],["陳次長正祺：對，有部分國家獲得豁免。"],["林委員憶君：既然我們現在臺美關係是史上最好的，那麼還有什麼理由不能要求美國撤銷對我們的鋼鋁關稅呢？而且現在美國為了想要確保他們自己國家的國防產業及所有鋼鋁製品相關的供應鏈，不會因為政治因素受到干擾，開始提倡所謂的友岸外包，現在不是正好是一個臺灣向美國提議免除鋼鋁關稅的最好時機嗎？"],["陳次長正祺：報告委員，第一個，美國為什麼不豁免臺灣的關稅？這個事情我們一直在跟美方溝通，真正的理由恐怕要由美方來說明，但是我方認為應該給我們豁免，第二點，我們對美國出口的鋼，我們的鋼產業大概75%供內需，25%外銷，我們對美國的鋼鐵出口事實上是成長的，也就是說因為我們的品質、競爭力還有差異化的結果，事實上，美國對我們的鋼是有需求的，所以我們還是在成長，這個部分我們會繼續協助業者來對外拓銷。"],["林委員憶君：好，其實鋼鋁產業的重要性在短期內是很難被完全取代的。"],["陳次長正祺：是。"],["林委員憶君：所以我們還是請經濟部跟經貿談判辦公室一起努力，畢竟我們在免除鋼鋁關稅上已經落後其他國家太多了，好嗎？"],["陳次長正祺：好，是，謝謝委員。"],["林委員憶君：謝謝。"],["主席（林委員憶君）：接下來我們請陳永康委員上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":322,"meet_id":"委員會-11-2-35-15","speakers":["林憶君","沈伯洋","羅美玲","黃仁","徐巧芯","林楚茵","陳冠廷","陳永康","馬文君","王鴻薇","賴士葆","洪孟楷","楊瓊瓔","葉元之","王定宇","洪申翰","邱志偉"],"page_start":273,"meetingDate":["2024-11-20"],"gazette_id":"11310101","agenda_lcidc_ids":["11310101_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第2會期外交及國防委員會第15次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長、國家發展委員會、經濟部報告「美國總統大選後，對於推動台美貿易及科技建\n立合作架構之影響」，並備質詢","agenda_id":"11310101_00006"}}}