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00:04:02,966\n人力可能會沒有辦法滿足當初他們離開台灣到這個中國的這樣的一個誘因所以我們會協助他們轉進到這個另外一個所以這個已經有具體的計畫是哪一個單位在協助規劃嗎現在沒有因為我們以前也沒有想到說會有這樣的一個情形不過我們現在那大概會責成什麼單位來協助\n\n13\n00:04:05,819 --> 00:04:14,307\n我們裡面有很多,我們有智庫啊,我們經濟部大概有5個智庫。是,到時候是這個中小企業處呢,還是產業發展,產業發展署啊,還是什麼單位會來負責呢?報告委員,我們現在是這樣,就是說由智庫來評論,由智庫來收集資料,\n\n14\n00:04:28,661 --> 00:04:54,242\n然後做出一個建議然後我們再來看是哪一個單位負責哪一個群哪一個產業那由這個負責的這個署或者是處來好那這個就要拜託部長專心的用心的用力的把它做好規劃因為這個會影響台灣未來的產業發展甚至人民的生活那接下來講到人民的生活我就想要問一下部長\n\n15\n00:04:56,284 --> 00:05:04,032\n剛剛每一位委員都問到撥補這個未來兩千億不要算之前撥補的這個三千億了這樣加加起來三年五千億這個部長你怎麼看現在繼續撥補嗎您支持這個撥補嗎我們希望委員能夠支持我們這個撥補\n\n16\n00:05:14,964 --> 00:05:14,984\n部長\n\n17\n00:05:33,124 --> 00:05:36,186\n可是台電最近4個月因為漲建價的關係已經開始有盈餘了7月賺了73億8月盈餘129億9月盈餘122億\n\n18\n00:05:48,035 --> 00:05:48,575\n報告委員這個7月8月那個時候是夏季電價\n\n19\n00:06:07,830 --> 00:06:13,956\n我現在的理解是每一個人都提醒你們說這個能源配比要調整你們有調整嗎?你們的能源配比完全都沒有考慮核電啊完全沒有考慮核電怎麼有辦法把這個電價降下來嗎?\n\n20\n00:06:32,674 --> 00:06:40,701\n部長您今天有辦法在這裡保證說這2000億撥補給你之後明年後年都不漲電價報告委員這個漲不漲電價不是經濟部長可以決定我知道但你也要你主管機關你這個全國產業經濟的主管機關你也要有主張呀你就是明年後年都都補我1000億的話\n\n21\n00:06:58,277 --> 00:07:20,919\n我們現在只講到明年的一千億你連後年的一千億都講出來了那就是意思說每年都要補台電一千億喔不是報告委員因為那個三千多億的這個負債是在過去兩年因為COVID-19而造成那未來是什麼原因未來為什麼還會有一千億是什麼原因我現在是補過去的虧損\n\n22\n00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,462\n你已經漲了店價我們還要補過去的虧損台電沒有辦法自己想說怎麼賺錢怎麼創造收益嗎?\n\n23\n00:07:33,650 --> 00:07:39,074\n有漲有漲一波有漲一波第二次沒有漲第一次有漲你問總經理對不對我現在沒有要問你所以我必須要講部長我們不斷的拿人民的納稅錢去補貼台電是沒有辦法解決根本的問題的我們一定要有一個長期的財務規劃長期的這樣子的計畫否則你每年一直靠撥補台電那就擺爛了\n\n24\n00:08:03,431 --> 00:08:03,671\n我是因為說我們一共還\n\n25\n00:08:20,596 --> 00:08:22,317\n還缺3000多億之前虧損：張嘉郡\n\n26\n00:08:39,885 --> 00:08:44,847\n這個漲價不是我決定,漲價是這個價格還有我必須要講一下,就是我們雲林縣斗六的長治久安公園是園館局的地,但現在雜草重生、蛇鼠橫行然後地方治安產生問題部長,我昨天親自去了這個\n\n27\n00:09:01,013 --> 00:09:10,337\n服務中心服務中心全部擺爛他說勤勞勤勞說只要縣府或公所願意接管我們再撥錢給他們來來整理這個是你們經濟部應該有的態度嗎你們的產業去到了地方難道不應該把環境整理乾淨嗎\n\n28\n00:09:20,322 --> 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