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00:02:18,693\n1957年的時候最初是由德國聯邦議院成員組成長期關注德台的關係的長期發展而且是德國最早促進跟台灣關係的一個協會他也是非營利組織\n\n8\n00:02:19,654 --> 00:02:44,241\n他主要目的是推動國際理解提倡維護照顧和加強德國與中華民國之間的各種關係在2020年的時候他原來叫德中協會2020年的時候這個協會改名為德台協會這個部分市長知道嗎這個我不清楚跟委員報告60年了其他的同仁都不知道這個協會嗎\n\n9\n00:02:47,210 --> 00:02:47,990\n經濟部這個協會直到目前還是當地民間最大的友台團體\n\n10\n00:03:07,375 --> 00:03:13,280\n成員超過100人,他涵蓋德國的外交官、學者、國會議員跟台灣的僑民,跟台灣駐德代表處關係密切,過去也時常共同舉辦經濟、文化、學術等相關講座。從1989年以來,該協會每次在聯邦選舉\n\n11\n00:03:27,432 --> 00:03:33,637\n的時候都會發起德國國會、柏林、臺北友好小組促進和加強傳播文化而且也促進台灣跟德國之間的文化交流這個成立在60年前的德台協會長期支持台灣推動合作首先我們看到就好幾個例子就是說他在推動國家人權委員會主委陳菊在訪問柏林的時候他們促成他參加德國的國會座談\n\n12\n00:03:56,556 --> 00:04:11,922\n也安排德國國會友台小組訪台拜會蔡前總統這個都不是很久以前的事情那還有曾經主動促成農事所跟林事所跟德國合作嘗試在台灣的漁電經驗引介到德國這個在民國111年的時候因為漁電共生這個前不久才推的政策而且這個跟農委會\n\n13\n00:04:23,806 --> 00:04:32,998\n就是之前農委會現在農業部有關也是在經濟部底下的我想要請教如果連這樣子次長都沒聽過你不知道這個協會各位報告我確實不曉得經濟部知不知道\n\n14\n00:04:42,009 --> 00:05:07,769\n報委員這裡面我們要回去釐清一下再跟委員回報因為我們跟德國的經貿團體包括工商協會是有往來的但他用什麼名稱呈現出來尤其用中文來表示說德台協會我們要去確認是不是同講的同一個團體這第一點第二點我們跟這個德國駐台辦事處裡面他在德國的工商協會在這邊有一位專員那麼我們是透過這個專員跟德國工商團體建立這個\n\n15\n00:05:11,533 --> 00:05:18,928\n對話的管道所以的確我們跟德國的工商團是有往來可是是不是這個德台協會這部分我們要回去釐清一下\n\n16\n00:05:19,909 --> 00:05:32,458\n我這次跟外交部還有經濟部今天兩位次長在這裡德台協會回去以後馬上查查一下他在這個整個過程當中因為在110年的時候農委會突然改變以往的做法就是用研究計畫的方式來管考台德協會那時候是疫情發生的當下所以你用這樣子的做法\n\n17\n00:05:45,428 --> 00:05:54,715\n說研究啊什麼的在疫情當下全球很多東西都是沒有辦法執行的所以用這樣子來看它的那個執行成效不好那時候如果你再回過去看看我們外交部還有我們的農業部就是過去的農委會你們看看你們在疫情的時候做了什麼\n\n18\n00:06:03,621 --> 00:06:19,685\n或者有哪些沒有做的所以當你用這樣子來管考今天因為你們都說不知道回去馬上今天下午馬上就是希望可以給我們一個訊息待會兒因為到目前為止農委會在111年的時候單方面會就是把它廢止掉了它的在農委會時期頒訂的這個作業要點那也把每年定期舉辦的聯席會議停止\n\n19\n00:06:32,048 --> 00:06:52,337\n因為我們剛剛講了那麼多今天他有100人的一個成員而且高達60年的時間而且他涵蓋包括國會議員包括很多的一些相關的人士如果說我們價值外交我們這個經費才多少聽說是200多萬不給人家而且人家提出來了還已讀不回這是在農業部現在發生的\n\n20\n00:06:57,179 --> 00:07:12,927\n所以外交部也希望可以去監控這個不然你有什麼價值外交立陶宛都已經說我們那個台灣立陶宛台灣代表處台灣經貿代表處是不是\n\n21\n00:07:15,407 --> 00:07:41,643\n他們連這個名稱都要改甚至在之前不久因為在選舉過後我們把一些半導體的投資案他們也片面已經都先說雖然你昨天有提出來新的說那個要暫緩他們的電力供應不足用這樣的理由還有他們的土地開發要變更還來不及唯有想要終止跟台灣的半導體的合作我們馬上率\n\n22\n00:07:42,623 --> 00:07:44,064\n我們的外交部長馬上率很多的廠商過去還包括無人機的聯盟就是漢翔的董事長也過去了\n\n23\n00:07:51,929 --> 00:08:20,628\n人家一直一直在中止我們的很多的我們等於熱聯貼人家冷屁股然後投資的合作的都好幾億好幾億我們就馬上很要緊似的就然後去跟人家講結果這個只是要兩百多萬人家都已經先電款了我們卻不把錢給人家而且還已讀不回這個部分下去馬上查查清楚迅速在今天可以先給我們初步的一個調查的結果還有書面報告可不可以\n\n24\n00:08:23,330 --> 00:08:30,395\n外交部也要督促這個部份因為過去是跟外交部後來採用農業的部份是由農委會跟就是現在的農業部要講什麼把它講清楚公務員再回覆一下立陶宛那家那家公司確實他是電力跟土地的問題但是這並沒有終止我們跟立陶宛半導體的合作\n\n25\n00:08:49,750 --> 00:09:06,083\n他們在新聞上面出來的是這樣我不知道是不是認知作戰就像你們剛剛在講的新加坡有沒有講說他們支持一個中國原則你們去看看新加坡的網站人家就是一個中國的原則反對台獨寫得清清楚楚不用搖頭回去看其他的網站今天我們的前經濟部長林慶義代表我們去參加IPEC對不對他有邀請拜登總統\n\n26\n00:09:17,893 --> 00:09:19,717\n以後有機會可以到台灣來訪問拜登總統他說還未\n\n27\n00:09:23,223 --> 00:09:28,704\n可是美國的媒體有寫嗎?有寫這段嗎?他不是因為他有沒有寫,然後他講的就是假的,我們要懷疑林信義部長他講的是假的嗎?今天一直在講說哪一個媒體寫什麼,中方的媒體出什麼,美方的媒體出什麼,那個一點意義都沒有,那個才是真正的任職作戰。我們要的是務實的,我們今天花了那麼多錢,每年的外交預算不斷不斷的增加,可是我們現在獲得的成果才是我們要的。\n\n28\n00:09:51,570 --> 00:09:54,452\n結果如果有其他的有我的組織只需要一點點的經費我們卻已讀不回這是非常大的羞辱今天如果你有發現什麼樣問題應該要很誠意的解決如果我們認同認為他有什麼不恰當的也應該要說明清楚包括經濟部還有包括我們的\n\n29\n00:10:12,606 --> 00:10:32,430\n外交部這一點我們希望這個應該要等於我們在所有的外交推動上面如果你連這個都做不好你要怎麼說你跟其他國家可以做得好這個部分可以迅速的提出來我們會趕快查一下對那經濟部我再利用一點點時間請經濟部我們陳次長漢翔你有沒有聽說他要引進外籍勞工移工報委員這部分我沒有資訊\n\n30\n00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:53,227\n如果漢翔的董事長回來的時候請確切的查查清楚漢翔為什麼要用外籍移工當他說我們F16我們用了一千多億的預算去給漢翔他說要做亞太維修中心F16的亞太維修中心\n\n31\n00:11:03,455 --> 00:11:10,758\n當他說要做永英號當他現在是無人機的產業聯盟他們都說要創造我們國內的就業機會可是我們看到的他卻要引進外籍移工尤其是做我們的都是我們高級民性的都是我們重要的一個武器裝備你卻要引進外籍移工中科院有嗎你今天如果你做不來那你就不要引就不要答應這麼多的工作你亞太外交中心現在連一台的那個\n\n32\n00:11:31,847 --> 00:11:37,048\nF16都還沒有做到你詠英號進度都還落後你想要引進外籍移工請查查清楚尤其要幻想要解釋清楚如果像這樣子的情況他做不來那他不要答應這麼多的工作這個可不可以做到\n\n33\n00:11:50,031 --> 00:12:12,032\n我們回去查覆以後再回覆委員好我們現在強烈反對如果因為漢想不是一般的公司企業我們有很多缺工的狀況因為你其他的工作需要這樣子的外籍移工來協助可是你漢想不是所以你經濟部有很重要的一個角色當初我們的公和典書全部給他花光了\n\n34\n00:12:13,974 --> 00:12:14,415\n我們回去查覆\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1601\t5384\t麻煩請外交部還有經濟部謝謝請田次長陳次長馬委員早\n16303\t30977\t市長早今天部長還在立陶宛他這一次去歐洲只去立陶宛嗎還有另外還有到還有到哪裡\n31937\t36520\t主要是立陶宛嗎?主要是立陶宛,他帶了20個無人機的廠商去把台灣優質的無人機產業帶到歐洲去。\n50116\t64890\t我想請教一下因為部長他上任以後提出很多新的外交模式像是價值外交、經貿外交、同盟外交以及總和外交等等那想請教次長是不是簡單的說明價值外交的他大概的核心的意義是什麼\n73325\t96410\t價值外交我們從比較抽象的就是民主、自由、人權那麼比較實在的就是台灣現在所進行的高科技所有那些晶片的產業都在世界上非常非常重要的產業還有台灣的一些精密機械等等各國都會需要\n98110\t116955\t還有一個就是智慧我們用智慧農業、智慧醫療這個都是台灣可以跟其他國家一起分享的價值那這些價值我想請教一下次長有一個德中協會您知道嗎還是德台協會\n124697\t138693\t1957年的時候最初是由德國聯邦議院成員組成長期關注德台的關係的長期發展而且是德國最早促進跟台灣關係的一個協會他也是非營利組織\n139654\t164241\t他主要目的是推動國際理解提倡維護照顧和加強德國與中華民國之間的各種關係在2020年的時候他原來叫德中協會2020年的時候這個協會改名為德台協會這個部分市長知道嗎這個我不清楚跟委員報告60年了其他的同仁都不知道這個協會嗎\n167210\t167990\t經濟部這個協會直到目前還是當地民間最大的友台團體\n187375\t193280\t成員超過100人,他涵蓋德國的外交官、學者、國會議員跟台灣的僑民,跟台灣駐德代表處關係密切,過去也時常共同舉辦經濟、文化、學術等相關講座。從1989年以來,該協會每次在聯邦選舉\n207432\t213637\t的時候都會發起德國國會、柏林、臺北友好小組促進和加強傳播文化而且也促進台灣跟德國之間的文化交流這個成立在60年前的德台協會長期支持台灣推動合作首先我們看到就好幾個例子就是說他在推動國家人權委員會主委陳菊在訪問柏林的時候他們促成他參加德國的國會座談\n236556\t251922\t也安排德國國會友台小組訪台拜會蔡前總統這個都不是很久以前的事情那還有曾經主動促成農事所跟林事所跟德國合作嘗試在台灣的漁電經驗引介到德國這個在民國111年的時候因為漁電共生這個前不久才推的政策而且這個跟農委會\n263806\t272998\t就是之前農委會現在農業部有關也是在經濟部底下的我想要請教如果連這樣子次長都沒聽過你不知道這個協會各位報告我確實不曉得經濟部知不知道\n282009\t307769\t報委員這裡面我們要回去釐清一下再跟委員回報因為我們跟德國的經貿團體包括工商協會是有往來的但他用什麼名稱呈現出來尤其用中文來表示說德台協會我們要去確認是不是同講的同一個團體這第一點第二點我們跟這個德國駐台辦事處裡面他在德國的工商協會在這邊有一位專員那麼我們是透過這個專員跟德國工商團體建立這個\n311533\t318928\t對話的管道所以的確我們跟德國的工商團是有往來可是是不是這個德台協會這部分我們要回去釐清一下\n319909\t332458\t我這次跟外交部還有經濟部今天兩位次長在這裡德台協會回去以後馬上查查一下他在這個整個過程當中因為在110年的時候農委會突然改變以往的做法就是用研究計畫的方式來管考台德協會那時候是疫情發生的當下所以你用這樣子的做法\n345428\t354715\t說研究啊什麼的在疫情當下全球很多東西都是沒有辦法執行的所以用這樣子來看它的那個執行成效不好那時候如果你再回過去看看我們外交部還有我們的農業部就是過去的農委會你們看看你們在疫情的時候做了什麼\n363621\t379685\t或者有哪些沒有做的所以當你用這樣子來管考今天因為你們都說不知道回去馬上今天下午馬上就是希望可以給我們一個訊息待會兒因為到目前為止農委會在111年的時候單方面會就是把它廢止掉了它的在農委會時期頒訂的這個作業要點那也把每年定期舉辦的聯席會議停止\n392048\t412337\t因為我們剛剛講了那麼多今天他有100人的一個成員而且高達60年的時間而且他涵蓋包括國會議員包括很多的一些相關的人士如果說我們價值外交我們這個經費才多少聽說是200多萬不給人家而且人家提出來了還已讀不回這是在農業部現在發生的\n417179\t432927\t所以外交部也希望可以去監控這個不然你有什麼價值外交立陶宛都已經說我們那個台灣立陶宛台灣代表處台灣經貿代表處是不是\n435407\t461643\t他們連這個名稱都要改甚至在之前不久因為在選舉過後我們把一些半導體的投資案他們也片面已經都先說雖然你昨天有提出來新的說那個要暫緩他們的電力供應不足用這樣的理由還有他們的土地開發要變更還來不及唯有想要終止跟台灣的半導體的合作我們馬上率\n462623\t464064\t我們的外交部長馬上率很多的廠商過去還包括無人機的聯盟就是漢翔的董事長也過去了\n471929\t500628\t人家一直一直在中止我們的很多的我們等於熱聯貼人家冷屁股然後投資的合作的都好幾億好幾億我們就馬上很要緊似的就然後去跟人家講結果這個只是要兩百多萬人家都已經先電款了我們卻不把錢給人家而且還已讀不回這個部分下去馬上查查清楚迅速在今天可以先給我們初步的一個調查的結果還有書面報告可不可以\n503330\t510395\t外交部也要督促這個部份因為過去是跟外交部後來採用農業的部份是由農委會跟就是現在的農業部要講什麼把它講清楚公務員再回覆一下立陶宛那家那家公司確實他是電力跟土地的問題但是這並沒有終止我們跟立陶宛半導體的合作\n529750\t546083\t他們在新聞上面出來的是這樣我不知道是不是認知作戰就像你們剛剛在講的新加坡有沒有講說他們支持一個中國原則你們去看看新加坡的網站人家就是一個中國的原則反對台獨寫得清清楚楚不用搖頭回去看其他的網站今天我們的前經濟部長林慶義代表我們去參加IPEC對不對他有邀請拜登總統\n557893\t559717\t以後有機會可以到台灣來訪問拜登總統他說還未\n563223\t568704\t可是美國的媒體有寫嗎?有寫這段嗎?他不是因為他有沒有寫,然後他講的就是假的,我們要懷疑林信義部長他講的是假的嗎?今天一直在講說哪一個媒體寫什麼,中方的媒體出什麼,美方的媒體出什麼,那個一點意義都沒有,那個才是真正的任職作戰。我們要的是務實的,我們今天花了那麼多錢,每年的外交預算不斷不斷的增加,可是我們現在獲得的成果才是我們要的。\n591570\t594452\t結果如果有其他的有我的組織只需要一點點的經費我們卻已讀不回這是非常大的羞辱今天如果你有發現什麼樣問題應該要很誠意的解決如果我們認同認為他有什麼不恰當的也應該要說明清楚包括經濟部還有包括我們的\n612606\t632430\t外交部這一點我們希望這個應該要等於我們在所有的外交推動上面如果你連這個都做不好你要怎麼說你跟其他國家可以做得好這個部分可以迅速的提出來我們會趕快查一下對那經濟部我再利用一點點時間請經濟部我們陳次長漢翔你有沒有聽說他要引進外籍勞工移工報委員這部分我沒有資訊\n643840\t653227\t如果漢翔的董事長回來的時候請確切的查查清楚漢翔為什麼要用外籍移工當他說我們F16我們用了一千多億的預算去給漢翔他說要做亞太維修中心F16的亞太維修中心\n663455\t670758\t當他說要做永英號當他現在是無人機的產業聯盟他們都說要創造我們國內的就業機會可是我們看到的他卻要引進外籍移工尤其是做我們的都是我們高級民性的都是我們重要的一個武器裝備你卻要引進外籍移工中科院有嗎你今天如果你做不來那你就不要引就不要答應這麼多的工作你亞太外交中心現在連一台的那個\n691847\t697048\tF16都還沒有做到你詠英號進度都還落後你想要引進外籍移工請查查清楚尤其要幻想要解釋清楚如果像這樣子的情況他做不來那他不要答應這麼多的工作這個可不可以做到\n710031\t732032\t我們回去查覆以後再回覆委員好 我們現在強烈反對 如果 因為漢想不是一般的公司企業我們有很多缺工的狀況 因為你其他的工作需要這樣子的外籍移工來協助可是你漢想不是 所以你經濟部有很重要的一個角色 當初我們的公和典書全部給他花光了\n733974\t734415\t我們回去查覆\n","txt":"麻煩請外交部還有經濟部謝謝請田次長陳次長馬委員早\n市長早今天部長還在立陶宛他這一次去歐洲只去立陶宛嗎還有另外還有到還有到哪裡\n主要是立陶宛嗎?主要是立陶宛,他帶了20個無人機的廠商去把台灣優質的無人機產業帶到歐洲去。\n我想請教一下因為部長他上任以後提出很多新的外交模式像是價值外交、經貿外交、同盟外交以及總和外交等等那想請教次長是不是簡單的說明價值外交的他大概的核心的意義是什麼\n價值外交我們從比較抽象的就是民主、自由、人權那麼比較實在的就是台灣現在所進行的高科技所有那些晶片的產業都在世界上非常非常重要的產業還有台灣的一些精密機械等等各國都會需要\n還有一個就是智慧我們用智慧農業、智慧醫療這個都是台灣可以跟其他國家一起分享的價值那這些價值我想請教一下次長有一個德中協會您知道嗎還是德台協會\n1957年的時候最初是由德國聯邦議院成員組成長期關注德台的關係的長期發展而且是德國最早促進跟台灣關係的一個協會他也是非營利組織\n他主要目的是推動國際理解提倡維護照顧和加強德國與中華民國之間的各種關係在2020年的時候他原來叫德中協會2020年的時候這個協會改名為德台協會這個部分市長知道嗎這個我不清楚跟委員報告60年了其他的同仁都不知道這個協會嗎\n經濟部這個協會直到目前還是當地民間最大的友台團體\n成員超過100人,他涵蓋德國的外交官、學者、國會議員跟台灣的僑民,跟台灣駐德代表處關係密切,過去也時常共同舉辦經濟、文化、學術等相關講座。從1989年以來,該協會每次在聯邦選舉\n的時候都會發起德國國會、柏林、臺北友好小組促進和加強傳播文化而且也促進台灣跟德國之間的文化交流這個成立在60年前的德台協會長期支持台灣推動合作首先我們看到就好幾個例子就是說他在推動國家人權委員會主委陳菊在訪問柏林的時候他們促成他參加德國的國會座談\n也安排德國國會友台小組訪台拜會蔡前總統這個都不是很久以前的事情那還有曾經主動促成農事所跟林事所跟德國合作嘗試在台灣的漁電經驗引介到德國這個在民國111年的時候因為漁電共生這個前不久才推的政策而且這個跟農委會\n就是之前農委會現在農業部有關也是在經濟部底下的我想要請教如果連這樣子次長都沒聽過你不知道這個協會各位報告我確實不曉得經濟部知不知道\n報委員這裡面我們要回去釐清一下再跟委員回報因為我們跟德國的經貿團體包括工商協會是有往來的但他用什麼名稱呈現出來尤其用中文來表示說德台協會我們要去確認是不是同講的同一個團體這第一點第二點我們跟這個德國駐台辦事處裡面他在德國的工商協會在這邊有一位專員那麼我們是透過這個專員跟德國工商團體建立這個\n對話的管道所以的確我們跟德國的工商團是有往來可是是不是這個德台協會這部分我們要回去釐清一下\n我這次跟外交部還有經濟部今天兩位次長在這裡德台協會回去以後馬上查查一下他在這個整個過程當中因為在110年的時候農委會突然改變以往的做法就是用研究計畫的方式來管考台德協會那時候是疫情發生的當下所以你用這樣子的做法\n說研究啊什麼的在疫情當下全球很多東西都是沒有辦法執行的所以用這樣子來看它的那個執行成效不好那時候如果你再回過去看看我們外交部還有我們的農業部就是過去的農委會你們看看你們在疫情的時候做了什麼\n或者有哪些沒有做的所以當你用這樣子來管考今天因為你們都說不知道回去馬上今天下午馬上就是希望可以給我們一個訊息待會兒因為到目前為止農委會在111年的時候單方面會就是把它廢止掉了它的在農委會時期頒訂的這個作業要點那也把每年定期舉辦的聯席會議停止\n因為我們剛剛講了那麼多今天他有100人的一個成員而且高達60年的時間而且他涵蓋包括國會議員包括很多的一些相關的人士如果說我們價值外交我們這個經費才多少聽說是200多萬不給人家而且人家提出來了還已讀不回這是在農業部現在發生的\n所以外交部也希望可以去監控這個不然你有什麼價值外交立陶宛都已經說我們那個台灣立陶宛台灣代表處台灣經貿代表處是不是\n他們連這個名稱都要改甚至在之前不久因為在選舉過後我們把一些半導體的投資案他們也片面已經都先說雖然你昨天有提出來新的說那個要暫緩他們的電力供應不足用這樣的理由還有他們的土地開發要變更還來不及唯有想要終止跟台灣的半導體的合作我們馬上率\n我們的外交部長馬上率很多的廠商過去還包括無人機的聯盟就是漢翔的董事長也過去了\n人家一直一直在中止我們的很多的我們等於熱聯貼人家冷屁股然後投資的合作的都好幾億好幾億我們就馬上很要緊似的就然後去跟人家講結果這個只是要兩百多萬人家都已經先電款了我們卻不把錢給人家而且還已讀不回這個部分下去馬上查查清楚迅速在今天可以先給我們初步的一個調查的結果還有書面報告可不可以\n外交部也要督促這個部份因為過去是跟外交部後來採用農業的部份是由農委會跟就是現在的農業部要講什麼把它講清楚公務員再回覆一下立陶宛那家那家公司確實他是電力跟土地的問題但是這並沒有終止我們跟立陶宛半導體的合作\n他們在新聞上面出來的是這樣我不知道是不是認知作戰就像你們剛剛在講的新加坡有沒有講說他們支持一個中國原則你們去看看新加坡的網站人家就是一個中國的原則反對台獨寫得清清楚楚不用搖頭回去看其他的網站今天我們的前經濟部長林慶義代表我們去參加IPEC對不對他有邀請拜登總統\n以後有機會可以到台灣來訪問拜登總統他說還未\n可是美國的媒體有寫嗎?有寫這段嗎?他不是因為他有沒有寫,然後他講的就是假的,我們要懷疑林信義部長他講的是假的嗎?今天一直在講說哪一個媒體寫什麼,中方的媒體出什麼,美方的媒體出什麼,那個一點意義都沒有,那個才是真正的任職作戰。我們要的是務實的,我們今天花了那麼多錢,每年的外交預算不斷不斷的增加,可是我們現在獲得的成果才是我們要的。\n結果如果有其他的有我的組織只需要一點點的經費我們卻已讀不回這是非常大的羞辱今天如果你有發現什麼樣問題應該要很誠意的解決如果我們認同認為他有什麼不恰當的也應該要說明清楚包括經濟部還有包括我們的\n外交部這一點我們希望這個應該要等於我們在所有的外交推動上面如果你連這個都做不好你要怎麼說你跟其他國家可以做得好這個部分可以迅速的提出來我們會趕快查一下對那經濟部我再利用一點點時間請經濟部我們陳次長漢翔你有沒有聽說他要引進外籍勞工移工報委員這部分我沒有資訊\n如果漢翔的董事長回來的時候請確切的查查清楚漢翔為什麼要用外籍移工當他說我們F16我們用了一千多億的預算去給漢翔他說要做亞太維修中心F16的亞太維修中心\n當他說要做永英號當他現在是無人機的產業聯盟他們都說要創造我們國內的就業機會可是我們看到的他卻要引進外籍移工尤其是做我們的都是我們高級民性的都是我們重要的一個武器裝備你卻要引進外籍移工中科院有嗎你今天如果你做不來那你就不要引就不要答應這麼多的工作你亞太外交中心現在連一台的那個\nF16都還沒有做到你詠英號進度都還落後你想要引進外籍移工請查查清楚尤其要幻想要解釋清楚如果像這樣子的情況他做不來那他不要答應這麼多的工作這個可不可以做到\n我們回去查覆以後再回覆委員好 我們現在強烈反對 如果 因為漢想不是一般的公司企業我們有很多缺工的狀況 因為你其他的工作需要這樣子的外籍移工來協助可是你漢想不是 所以你經濟部有很重要的一個角色 當初我們的公和典書全部給他花光了\n我們回去查覆\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.601 --> 00:05.384\n麻煩請外交部還有經濟部謝謝請田次長陳次長馬委員早\n\n00:16.303 --> 00:30.977\n市長早今天部長還在立陶宛他這一次去歐洲只去立陶宛嗎還有另外還有到還有到哪裡\n\n00:31.937 --> 00:36.520\n主要是立陶宛嗎?主要是立陶宛,他帶了20個無人機的廠商去把台灣優質的無人機產業帶到歐洲去。\n\n00:50.116 --> 01:04.890\n我想請教一下因為部長他上任以後提出很多新的外交模式像是價值外交、經貿外交、同盟外交以及總和外交等等那想請教次長是不是簡單的說明價值外交的他大概的核心的意義是什麼\n\n01:13.325 --> 01:36.410\n價值外交我們從比較抽象的就是民主、自由、人權那麼比較實在的就是台灣現在所進行的高科技所有那些晶片的產業都在世界上非常非常重要的產業還有台灣的一些精密機械等等各國都會需要\n\n01:38.110 --> 01:56.955\n還有一個就是智慧我們用智慧農業、智慧醫療這個都是台灣可以跟其他國家一起分享的價值那這些價值我想請教一下次長有一個德中協會您知道嗎還是德台協會\n\n02:04.697 --> 02:18.693\n1957年的時候最初是由德國聯邦議院成員組成長期關注德台的關係的長期發展而且是德國最早促進跟台灣關係的一個協會他也是非營利組織\n\n02:19.654 --> 02:44.241\n他主要目的是推動國際理解提倡維護照顧和加強德國與中華民國之間的各種關係在2020年的時候他原來叫德中協會2020年的時候這個協會改名為德台協會這個部分市長知道嗎這個我不清楚跟委員報告60年了其他的同仁都不知道這個協會嗎\n\n02:47.210 --> 02:47.990\n經濟部這個協會直到目前還是當地民間最大的友台團體\n\n03:07.375 --> 03:13.280\n成員超過100人,他涵蓋德國的外交官、學者、國會議員跟台灣的僑民,跟台灣駐德代表處關係密切,過去也時常共同舉辦經濟、文化、學術等相關講座。從1989年以來,該協會每次在聯邦選舉\n\n03:27.432 --> 03:33.637\n的時候都會發起德國國會、柏林、臺北友好小組促進和加強傳播文化而且也促進台灣跟德國之間的文化交流這個成立在60年前的德台協會長期支持台灣推動合作首先我們看到就好幾個例子就是說他在推動國家人權委員會主委陳菊在訪問柏林的時候他們促成他參加德國的國會座談\n\n03:56.556 --> 04:11.922\n也安排德國國會友台小組訪台拜會蔡前總統這個都不是很久以前的事情那還有曾經主動促成農事所跟林事所跟德國合作嘗試在台灣的漁電經驗引介到德國這個在民國111年的時候因為漁電共生這個前不久才推的政策而且這個跟農委會\n\n04:23.806 --> 04:32.998\n就是之前農委會現在農業部有關也是在經濟部底下的我想要請教如果連這樣子次長都沒聽過你不知道這個協會各位報告我確實不曉得經濟部知不知道\n\n04:42.009 --> 05:07.769\n報委員這裡面我們要回去釐清一下再跟委員回報因為我們跟德國的經貿團體包括工商協會是有往來的但他用什麼名稱呈現出來尤其用中文來表示說德台協會我們要去確認是不是同講的同一個團體這第一點第二點我們跟這個德國駐台辦事處裡面他在德國的工商協會在這邊有一位專員那麼我們是透過這個專員跟德國工商團體建立這個\n\n05:11.533 --> 05:18.928\n對話的管道所以的確我們跟德國的工商團是有往來可是是不是這個德台協會這部分我們要回去釐清一下\n\n05:19.909 --> 05:32.458\n我這次跟外交部還有經濟部今天兩位次長在這裡德台協會回去以後馬上查查一下他在這個整個過程當中因為在110年的時候農委會突然改變以往的做法就是用研究計畫的方式來管考台德協會那時候是疫情發生的當下所以你用這樣子的做法\n\n05:45.428 --> 05:54.715\n說研究啊什麼的在疫情當下全球很多東西都是沒有辦法執行的所以用這樣子來看它的那個執行成效不好那時候如果你再回過去看看我們外交部還有我們的農業部就是過去的農委會你們看看你們在疫情的時候做了什麼\n\n06:03.621 --> 06:19.685\n或者有哪些沒有做的所以當你用這樣子來管考今天因為你們都說不知道回去馬上今天下午馬上就是希望可以給我們一個訊息待會兒因為到目前為止農委會在111年的時候單方面會就是把它廢止掉了它的在農委會時期頒訂的這個作業要點那也把每年定期舉辦的聯席會議停止\n\n06:32.048 --> 06:52.337\n因為我們剛剛講了那麼多今天他有100人的一個成員而且高達60年的時間而且他涵蓋包括國會議員包括很多的一些相關的人士如果說我們價值外交我們這個經費才多少聽說是200多萬不給人家而且人家提出來了還已讀不回這是在農業部現在發生的\n\n06:57.179 --> 07:12.927\n所以外交部也希望可以去監控這個不然你有什麼價值外交立陶宛都已經說我們那個台灣立陶宛台灣代表處台灣經貿代表處是不是\n\n07:15.407 --> 07:41.643\n他們連這個名稱都要改甚至在之前不久因為在選舉過後我們把一些半導體的投資案他們也片面已經都先說雖然你昨天有提出來新的說那個要暫緩他們的電力供應不足用這樣的理由還有他們的土地開發要變更還來不及唯有想要終止跟台灣的半導體的合作我們馬上率\n\n07:42.623 --> 07:44.064\n我們的外交部長馬上率很多的廠商過去還包括無人機的聯盟就是漢翔的董事長也過去了\n\n07:51.929 --> 08:20.628\n人家一直一直在中止我們的很多的我們等於熱聯貼人家冷屁股然後投資的合作的都好幾億好幾億我們就馬上很要緊似的就然後去跟人家講結果這個只是要兩百多萬人家都已經先電款了我們卻不把錢給人家而且還已讀不回這個部分下去馬上查查清楚迅速在今天可以先給我們初步的一個調查的結果還有書面報告可不可以\n\n08:23.330 --> 08:30.395\n外交部也要督促這個部份因為過去是跟外交部後來採用農業的部份是由農委會跟就是現在的農業部要講什麼把它講清楚公務員再回覆一下立陶宛那家那家公司確實他是電力跟土地的問題但是這並沒有終止我們跟立陶宛半導體的合作\n\n08:49.750 --> 09:06.083\n他們在新聞上面出來的是這樣我不知道是不是認知作戰就像你們剛剛在講的新加坡有沒有講說他們支持一個中國原則你們去看看新加坡的網站人家就是一個中國的原則反對台獨寫得清清楚楚不用搖頭回去看其他的網站今天我們的前經濟部長林慶義代表我們去參加IPEC對不對他有邀請拜登總統\n\n09:17.893 --> 09:19.717\n以後有機會可以到台灣來訪問拜登總統他說還未\n\n09:23.223 --> 09:28.704\n可是美國的媒體有寫嗎?有寫這段嗎?他不是因為他有沒有寫,然後他講的就是假的,我們要懷疑林信義部長他講的是假的嗎?今天一直在講說哪一個媒體寫什麼,中方的媒體出什麼,美方的媒體出什麼,那個一點意義都沒有,那個才是真正的任職作戰。我們要的是務實的,我們今天花了那麼多錢,每年的外交預算不斷不斷的增加,可是我們現在獲得的成果才是我們要的。\n\n09:51.570 --> 09:54.452\n結果如果有其他的有我的組織只需要一點點的經費我們卻已讀不回這是非常大的羞辱今天如果你有發現什麼樣問題應該要很誠意的解決如果我們認同認為他有什麼不恰當的也應該要說明清楚包括經濟部還有包括我們的\n\n10:12.606 --> 10:32.430\n外交部這一點我們希望這個應該要等於我們在所有的外交推動上面如果你連這個都做不好你要怎麼說你跟其他國家可以做得好這個部分可以迅速的提出來我們會趕快查一下對那經濟部我再利用一點點時間請經濟部我們陳次長漢翔你有沒有聽說他要引進外籍勞工移工報委員這部分我沒有資訊\n\n10:43.840 --> 10:53.227\n如果漢翔的董事長回來的時候請確切的查查清楚漢翔為什麼要用外籍移工當他說我們F16我們用了一千多億的預算去給漢翔他說要做亞太維修中心F16的亞太維修中心\n\n11:03.455 --> 11:10.758\n當他說要做永英號當他現在是無人機的產業聯盟他們都說要創造我們國內的就業機會可是我們看到的他卻要引進外籍移工尤其是做我們的都是我們高級民性的都是我們重要的一個武器裝備你卻要引進外籍移工中科院有嗎你今天如果你做不來那你就不要引就不要答應這麼多的工作你亞太外交中心現在連一台的那個\n\n11:31.847 --> 11:37.048\nF16都還沒有做到你詠英號進度都還落後你想要引進外籍移工請查查清楚尤其要幻想要解釋清楚如果像這樣子的情況他做不來那他不要答應這麼多的工作這個可不可以做到\n\n11:50.031 --> 12:12.032\n我們回去查覆以後再回覆委員好我們現在強烈反對如果因為漢想不是一般的公司企業我們有很多缺工的狀況因為你其他的工作需要這樣子的外籍移工來協助可是你漢想不是所以你經濟部有很重要的一個角色當初我們的公和典書全部給他花光了\n\n12:13.974 --> 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